[MatthTheGeek]

isnt the Elysium armed with a subach?  if so then no you cant.

Don't underestimate the power of debris.

EDIT: In any case, my argument is : finding one or several situations in which a ship performs well doesn't mean the concept doesn't suck. You need ships that are efficient in as a wide range of potentially uncontrolled combat situations as possible. In the BP tactical environment, cruisers are clearly more often than not at a disadvantage, and can't compete with both corvettes and gunboats in their intended tactical niche.

[headdie]

isnt the Elysium armed with a subach?  if so then no you cant.

Don't underestimate the power of debris.

KAMMAKAZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[LordPomposity]

With sufficient escort, you could kill a Sathanas with an Elysium. Your point ?

isnt the Elysium armed with a subach?  if so then no you cant.

What you see in the tables isn't really indicative of the Elysium's actual capabilities. You should put more weight on what you see in the missions, where it has heavy armor 5, special hits to the tune of half a million, BALLS OF STEELE AI, and a subys-guardian-thresholded turret armed with dual WTFBlues.

[General Battuta]

With sufficient escort, you could kill a Sathanas with an Elysium. Your point ?

isnt the Elysium armed with a subach?  if so then no you cant.

What you see in the tables isn't really indicative of the Elysium's actual capabilities. You should put more weight on what you see in the missions, where it has heavy armor 5, special hits to the tune of half a million, BALLS OF STEELE AI, and a subys-guardian-thresholded turret armed with dual WTFBlues.

do you want to fred for bp

[Dragon]

Two fighters kill the engines. Hyperion jumps in, and two Shivan fighters destroy its beam dishes.

Where is your god now.

Topside, manning the pulse turrets. Those things pack a wallop, don't underestimate them.
Hyperion backed by a couple of interceptors is a formidable force, supplying the fighters with anti-cap firepower, while the fighters de-fang enemy caps and kill fighters. Also, the Hyperion is very agile in subspace, so it can jump behind the enemy, where most Shivan caps are helpless. The Moloch is, for example, vulnerable from above, a Hyperion that would get in there would have a chance to slice the Moloch apart, especially if supported by fighters (by the time a Moloch rolls to bring it's two puny cannons to bear, they'd be long since disarmed). It's been designed with fighting Shivans in mind. High maneuverability, forward focused firepower and a very good jumpdrive all make it quite well suited for that. Of course, on defensive, it doesn't fare too well, and UEF gunships are very dangerous to it, but it's not been designed for defense (that's the Aeolus' role).

[Mars]

Cruisers are more for anti-gunboat patrol, escort, and surgical strikes IIRC

[Dragon]

That's what I just said. Aeolus is good for the first two, more defensive roles (though a well flown gunboat is still a bane of anything smaller than a destroyer), while the Hyperion was made for swift surgical strikes.

[Mars]

That's what I just said. Aeolus is good for the first two, more defensive roles (though a well flown gunboat is still a bane of anything smaller than a destroyer), while the Hyperion was made for swift surgical strikes.

Gunboat i.e. Cretheus?

[Fury]

What you see in the tables isn't really indicative of the Elysium's actual capabilities. You should put more weight on what you see in the missions, where it has heavy armor 5, special hits to the tune of half a million, BALLS OF STEELE AI, and a subys-guardian-thresholded turret armed with dual WTFBlues.

I laughed out loud when I read this. Well done, well done.

[Dragon]

That's what I just said. Aeolus is good for the first two, more defensive roles (though a well flown gunboat is still a bane of anything smaller than a destroyer), while the Hyperion was made for swift surgical strikes.

Gunboat i.e. Cretheus?

Well, I was thinking more about the Custos. You'll see in WiH2 what I'm talking about. Cretheus is more of an "Aeolus Lite", definitely a defensive vessel. It even looks the part.