[General Battuta]

i have to point out there are much larger and more powerful shivan ships since what is important about a ship model is how large and powerful it is for instance i stretched a single tri to be 100 kilometers long and it has 400 beam cannons 10 flak cannons a blob turret 3000 morningstars and two subspace rift generators and it could engage teh entire satahanas fleet at once it is commanded by a rogue shivan named Shadow Blade who gives allegiance to no man and uses his beam cannons to mine planets for minerals so he can make his flagship the DEVIL even bigger

[Commander Zane]

I don't see anything wrong with a battle shot, even if it's Inferno.
There's screens of a briefing and mission dialogue from SGWP2...

[ktistai228]

dude, did I see Deep Space 9 there 

[General Battuta]

I don't see anything wrong with a battle shot, even if it's Inferno.
There's screens of a briefing and mission dialogue from SGWP2...

this post is neither large nor powerful and it does not have enough beam cannons

[Black Wolf]

some days i think we've made progress as a community

then we get posts like that

Don't be condescending, it makes you sound like a dick.

[General Battuta]

well to be fair i am rather being a dick

[Sushi]

well to be fair i am rather being a dick

Quoted for truth.

[Snail]

Don't be condescending, it makes you sound like a dick.

Battuta is a dick. A lovable di-

huh wait

[General Battuta]

Yeah, after having to listen to a zillion posts asking us to put the Gargant in Blue Planet for no other reason than 'it's big' and 'i want to see it' I'm not feeling hugely charitable towards the phallic compensation school of ship fandom

it's such a weird disconnect how people drool over these great models and screenshots and yet the only campaigns that are considered good are good because of their gameplay and mission or story design

[Commander Zane]

Unless Blue Planet doesn't count, except I've found it to have good everything including models.
I like the concept between the GTVA - EA war in Inferno, but I don't like the constant one-upsmanship (Nemesis is really the only truly enjoyable mission for the intensity) but only a few models (For their age) look good, while the rest are simply hideous even to Retail graphics' standards.
Plus all of these campaigns that have all these drool-inducing and great models aren't even close to being released, so nobody can tell if they're good because of gameplay and design.

[Mobius]

I still believe a campaign centered on a huge ship could be awesome. For instance, I'd really like to see a Colossus-based campaign (I gave it a try, but couldn't continue).

[AugustusVarius]

I still believe a campaign centered on a huge ship could be awesome. For instance, I'd really like to see a Colossus-based campaign (I gave it a try, but couldn't continue).

That's slightly different and sounds like it would be interesting.  I believe the issue here is the apparent obsession with random ships being huge for the sake of being huge and overwhelmingly powerful.  If you give a ship character, however, instead of just being huge, you get something good.  And it doesn't have to be big to have character - that's been demonstrated numerous times.  My favorite example is the Harvester from Fortune Hunters.

[Mobius]

Huge and nearly invulnerable ships like the Colossus and Sathanas are awesome thanks to their halo of supposed invincibility. What INFR1 did was just pushing that halo to the limits and, you know, those huge ships are criticized mostly because they're there, with no missions about them, so people think they can only go around and destroy ships. Had INFR2 been released, people would have had a good reason to appreciate those ships.

[General Battuta]

yep, if effort was put into making the ship something interest to FRED and play with i'd be all over it

uberships usually have real sparse turret coverage but there are ways around that, however in something as old as INFr1 without AI Profiles modifications you'd have one of those 30k ships limited to firing something like 7 turrets at once, which is obviously suboptimal

this is why Fury AI is great and why AI could be pushed even farther (like droid has done) to allow even more turret fire

[Snail]

Come to think of it, I can't name a single good mission that revolved around an ubership.

[General Battuta]

aye

meanwhile you have entire good campaign that's based around giving a retail model some character

one guess as to which one that is

[Snail]

aye

meanwhile you have entire good campaign that's based around giving a retail model some character

one guess as to which one that is

Shadows of Kraken?

[Mobius]

Come to think of it, I can't name a single good mission that revolved around an ubership.

Do we even have missions focused on uberships? As I said the "problem" about huge ships is that people blame them because they have never been used in a campaign. Every time you see a pic featuring a super ship, be 100% sure the pic comes from a random test mission.

And that is bad IMHO. There should be less prejudice around.

[General Battuta]

aye

meanwhile you have entire good campaign that's based around giving a retail model some character

one guess as to which one that is

Shadows of Kraken?

you got it!

anyway i totally think a good ubership mission COULD be done, you just need stuff like Fury AI and fredders who don't suck (so stuff V didn't have in its ubership missions, which is why they all suck)

[Hades]

Huge and nearly invulnerable ships like the Colossus and Sathanas are awesome thanks to their halo of supposed invincibility. What INFR1 did was just pushing that halo to the limits and, you know, those huge ships are criticized mostly because they're there, with no missions about them, so people think they can only go around and destroy ships. Had INFR2 been released, people would have had a good reason to appreciate those ships.

>implying that INFR2 would have been any good and that those big ships would have done anything but snap crackle and pop