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Offline Veers

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IIRC, even Calder couldn't find where Simms was, or if she was even alive. So I think only the Fedayeen know where she is exactly.
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Offline Drogoth

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?
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Offline QuakeIV

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Calder could be lying.  Seems like the fedayeen may have lied about Simms surviving to keep Laporte useful though.  Perhaps they were afraid she would lose control if Simms was known to be dead.

With respect to the Carthage, I would assume it is to remain vague.  Though on a replay I accidentally hit four instead of three (or vice versa) and accidentally blew the sucker to kingdom come.  They really should make choices like that use buttons with a bit of distance between them.

*finger slips*

*ten thousand die*

 

Offline General Battuta

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?

The canon ending, unless something else ends up ruining this, is 'what you did'

 
Calder could be lying.  Seems like the fedayeen may have lied about Simms surviving to keep Laporte useful though.  Perhaps they were afraid she would lose control if Simms was known to be dead.

With respect to the Carthage, I would assume it is to remain vague.  Though on a replay I accidentally hit four instead of three (or vice versa) and accidentally blew the sucker to kingdom come.  They really should make choices like that use buttons with a bit of distance between them.

*finger slips*

*ten thousand die*

:lol:

That would surpass a mere 'oops' to a definite 'whoops-a-daisy'. I'm imagining Laporte in the dreamscape trying to explain to, say, Falconer why she "chose" to destroy the Carthage: "... well you know ... the buttons were close together ... and ... uh"

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I thinks Simms is probably alive. Calder may have been blocked from knowing or told not tell Laporte by the Fedayeen. But now that Laporte is out of the Fedayeen bubble, it would be easy for her to check - especially now that they've given her an answer she would expect to be able to find Simms. If it were a lie, then Ken and Al-Da'wa would've had to tell the same lie. Given the nature of the conversations, I could see Ken lying in desperation, but Al-Da'wa wouldn't have known to tell that same lie right after the "dream" when Laporte confronts him and would've had less cause to since she had completed her Fedayeen mission. They of course want to keep her useful for Third Fleet, but I think it much more likely than not that "Simms, alive" is the truth.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2013, 03:47:07 pm by crazy_dave »

 

Offline Drogoth

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?

The canon ending, unless something else ends up ruining this, is 'what you did'

Fair enough, then barring events in the following acts that contradict this, BP Canon (Drogoth Version) is a captured Carthage, and I think the tevs would be more likely to try and get Lopez and her officers/crew back through a POW exchange then the crew of the Agincourt. One is a decorated admiral and tactition as well as her fleet wide recognized crew. The other are the crew of a glorified freighter/repair bay, who are of limited value without the ship they serve on, where as military expertise can be transferred to other units, or employed in a planning role.
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Offline niffiwan

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?

The canon ending, unless something else ends up ruining this, is 'what you did'

I guess that means that Lopez is out of the story, which I find slightly sad  :(
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Offline crizza

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You know, about Simms...Laporte will get another Name, ID, Bias and the whole stuff.
She can check about Simms, but I highly doubt that she can just walk to her bedside and say hello.

 

Offline Flak

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I am just suspecting a COD Black Ops 2 style multiple outcomes. Like if you choose to destroy the Carthage,  nothing much happens. If you choose not to destroy however, the Toutatis maybe gets jumped by the Serkr somewhere along the line, and Calder will then use the Carthage as his new flagship.

Lastly, if Simms really survived as Ken said, I am suspecting that the Indus is (as of Tenebra) in the middle of being rigged to be turned into a Mk2.

 

Offline CT27

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?

The canon ending, unless something else ends up ruining this, is 'what you did'

Fair enough, then barring events in the following acts that contradict this, BP Canon (Drogoth Version) is a captured Carthage, and I think the tevs would be more likely to try and get Lopez and her officers/crew back through a POW exchange then the crew of the Agincourt. One is a decorated admiral and tactition as well as her fleet wide recognized crew. The other are the crew of a glorified freighter/repair bay, who are of limited value without the ship they serve on, where as military expertise can be transferred to other units, or employed in a planning role.

If they got Lopez back, I'd imagine she'd get a huge lecture from Steele though right?

 

Offline Drogoth

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?

The canon ending, unless something else ends up ruining this, is 'what you did'

Fair enough, then barring events in the following acts that contradict this, BP Canon (Drogoth Version) is a captured Carthage, and I think the tevs would be more likely to try and get Lopez and her officers/crew back through a POW exchange then the crew of the Agincourt. One is a decorated admiral and tactition as well as her fleet wide recognized crew. The other are the crew of a glorified freighter/repair bay, who are of limited value without the ship they serve on, where as military expertise can be transferred to other units, or employed in a planning role.

If they got Lopez back, I'd imagine she'd get a huge lecture from Steele though right?

She's still a more valuable asset then a repair crew with no repair ship to work on.
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Offline Crybertrance

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Or calder lied to keep noemi useful.

Also what is the canon ending for the Carthage? Capture or destruction?

The canon ending, unless something else ends up ruining this, is 'what you did'

I assume that this applies to the Serenity as well? Because a recent screen-shot in the Celebration of Freespace (iirc) has the Serenity depicted flying escort with 3 Fleet.
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
<21:11:58>   *** The_E joined #bp [email protected]
21:11:58   +++ ChanServ has given op to The_E
<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 

Offline The E

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Offline Flak

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Looks like the same as original FS, it is not a primary objective so the Serenity don't have to survive to continue. It is not seen in the ending cutscene either, those two Karunas are second fleet ships Ridwan and Hebrides, as you can probably tell with their red paintjob as opposed to the third fleet's blue.

I think Calder only have 2 Karunas left, assuming the Serenity survived.

 

Offline Crybertrance

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I think Calder only have 2 Karunas left, assuming the Serenity survived.

The Serenity was Calder last Karuna iirc.. He has two Narayanas (Vikrant, Toreador)... Hence, since its now a very small world over at 3 Fleet, I was wondering if we would see the Serenity again (if you saved her).
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
<21:11:58>   *** The_E joined #bp [email protected]
21:11:58   +++ ChanServ has given op to The_E
<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Too many variables, if I were the game designer, I'd shiver at any of these "possibilities" branching through the entire story like a can of worms...

 

Offline General Battuta

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Serenity survival will be tracked.

 

Offline Gray113

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As much as I love the possibility that my decisions can affect the outcome of later missions can I just ask (from a purely selfish point of view) that you please don't do too much and give yourselves a nightmare coding this.

The wait for Tenebra was hard enough. (Though the end result was incredible)
« Last Edit: February 04, 2013, 12:26:47 pm by Gray113 »

 

Offline Gray113

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I would love a few curveballs though that make what seem like the right decisions blow up in my face.
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like when I let the Gefs go in act 3

 

Offline CT27

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Concerning the destroyers,  if Calder loses the Toutatis might he try to take over the Sanctuary (I'm assuming it's somewhere in Sol and some work's been done on it in the ~two years since the end of AOA)?

Or if a Solaris class destroyer goes down, will the Admiral on board go down with his ship?