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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ferret on July 23, 2006, 01:01:11 pm
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These two little gems have been put up on Steam pretty cheaply, and what's more - NO ****ING STARFORCE.
Awesome.
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Hmh, this might actually be a good reason to boot into Windows... Is it worth getting both or would X3 be enough?
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I've heard X3 is supposed to be good. But I might be thinking of other games... Here are some reviews.
One from Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/x3reunion/index.html?q=X3 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/x3reunion/index.html?q=X3)
And one from IGN:
http://pc.ign.com/objects/736/736739.html#reviews (http://pc.ign.com/objects/736/736739.html#reviews)
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My brother has X3, and I stole it before to try and play it, but the CD was corrupt :(
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So, no starfoce, but steam instead ? Hm, not really a positive change IMO :( (changed one evil with the other).
X2 is a great game, if there weren't those incredibly stupid looking pirate ships (and what do you do for countless hours, you are hunting pirates, this really made this game a little boring for me) I will never understand how this could happen, countless great looking alien ships, and then these few mistakes :(
Never bought X3 though. According from the screenshots it looks like it needs a Pentium 6 with 5 Ghz if you want to play in higher resolution (and I don't buy games to play them in 640 or 800 resolution). However, the alienship design are great again, a big cudos for the egosoft designers for their fantasy
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Steam is evil? How?
Excuse my ignorance of Steam, I don't own HL1 or HL2.
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Don't take my phrase so direct :)
I'm just not a friend of steam. Somehow I find it stupid having a game that force me to connect into the internet when I want to play singleplayer (just a waste of system ressources), and it presses you unasked updates into your system and games, including false updates
like one year back. (Also funny that they claimed how billions of manhours have been spend on steam and what a huge success it is. Fact is, most people give a **** on it, they just wanted to play halflife :) )
And certainly for the X-Games, you will need all ressources you have :)
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meh, don't have a credit card, so i'll haveta purchase it elsewhere.
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X3 is good but Even with pretty decent specs (pentium 4 2.8ghz, 768 MB of RAM, Radeon X850 Pro, Audigy 2 ZS) It still doesnt run very well, which is why I played the game 8 times and then put it away and havent played it since.
Maybe when I upgrade my video card...
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X3 is really good, but as aforementioned, it eats specs like winos like special brew.
I got a P4 running pretty high 3GHZ at least ( i forget how fast) and gubbins less than 4 months old, and X3 is stuttery as an old dear whos just been pushed off a bus.
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ZmaN, your problem is either RAM or lack of patches. :p
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I got 3.2GHz P4, 2 GB of OCZ RAM, and a Radeon 9800XT. I can run the demo with no stuttering. Think I can run the full game smoothly?
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Great, so instead of a crappy driver which can potentially wreck your CD drive, you can now use a memory-bloated piece of garbage which will no doubt force you to connect to the internet and auto-patch every time you load it up. It's a good thing the X games are equally crap. :)
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Great, so instead of a crappy driver which can potentially wreck your CD drive, you can now use a memory-bloated piece of garbage which will no doubt force you to connect to the internet and auto-patch every time you load it up. It's a good thing the X games are equally crap. :)
I dunno about that. It hardly uses ANY processing power at all for me, and certainly doesn't auto-patch everytime I load it up. I have found the whole thing to be pretty convenient and useful.
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X3 looks like a render movie. Imho it's the best looking game atm and might even be at the end of this year.
It has pretty nice music. Some track are awesome. The sounds are... ok and if you like trading, you'll love it.
The fight part is a bit sluggish though. X3 has some weird half-newtonian physics. They do make it feel more realistc sometimes, but are also annyoing pretty often.
The story isn't bad, but it's told ... somehow boring. The dialogs aren't very good. So are the render movies. They should have sticked to the great in-game graphics. ;)
I like the fact that you can do pretty much everything you can think of. You can buy stations, hire freighters, buy large capital ships and join battles in your fighter and even exit your fighter and fly around in a space suit. (It's just cool to fly around your gigantic carrier in your space suit. ;) )
There are more events than in Freelancer. If you don't follow the story in Freelancer, you can't really do much. Nothing happens and picking up one of the three different missions isn't fun after running through a few of them. X3 has some way cooler missions and even some war events. (The Xenos attack a sector.)
It's not like Freespace!
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Hey, how does X3 compare to I-War2? I understand it has more trading features but if anyone has played both, how would you compare them?
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I-War has a way better battle feeling.
While you can control your ship worse that in X3, it's also more fun. I-War has better weapons. It's soooo boring to lauch a missile in X3. Somehow I hated the missiles in X3. They kill you instantly and yet lack any sense of power when you launch them.
The equiptement part in X3 is pretty good though. You can upgrade everything. There are special weapons and balistic weapons. You can work out a gun setup tactically and load attack drones.
If your ship gets damaged it's often really expensive to repair it. And it gets damaged pretty easy... that kinda killed my interest in fighting equal enemies.
I-War is a completely different game. X3 lives from the ambience. Flying through a beautiful system, whith planets and stations that look like in a render movie, while listenng to some really nice ambient music. That's one thing I really like in X3. Getting the money to buy a new ship and upgrades, while I'm thinking about the best trading route for my first automated freighter was pretty motivating.
Sound buy X3 for a well-told story, or space combat (at least on in a fighter).
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I played I-War 2 and loved it. My only gripe about it was the Stealth unit you can install kills engine and weapon sounds. But it's not worth installing it anyways, so no real loss.
I'm on the fence about whether to buy X3. I played the demo, and found the interface a little tricky. Does using it get easier with practice?
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I must confess, I'm jaded. X:BTF was one of the most boring games I ever played - so much so that I never even bothered to check out X2 or X3. Can anyone tell me for sure that they are lightyears better than X:BTF?
Also, you'll have to do some pretty hard convincing, since X:BTF got 8.1 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/10beyondthefrontier/index.html?q=x%20beyond%20the%20frontier), X2 got 7.4 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/x2thethreat/index.html?q=x2), and X3 got a 7.2 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/x3reunion/index.html?q=x3)... :doubt:
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Apparently the X Series caters to more hardcore gamer types, which is probably why more mainstream publications ranked it so low and the higher rated ones gave it a fairer review. I don't have the system to play it, since I only have a 64MB video card and it requires a 128MB one.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/x3reunion?q=x3
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Well, yeah... the first X was pretty boring. I loved the first part, just when you arrived in the new system though. It had some really nice SciFi feeling. ;)
X2 was more fun. Finally you were able to buy new ships. X3 isn't all that different from X2. It's mostly a way better looking game. BTW X2 still looks awesome too, so I guess you get the idea. ;)
I wouldn't give too much about the reviews. The X games are kinda special. You love them, or you hate them... And there is no game that could be compared to X.
@Tyrian
It took me a hour to get used to the most important controls, but even after a few days of playing I found more stuff, I didn't know about. Which is fun sometimes "Ohhhh, I didn't know this was possible. Awesome!", and sometimes depressing "Ahhhh... I've lost a lot of money, cause I didn't know about it".
I hate to read manuals. ;)
X3 is a complex game! It allows you to do very much and therefore is pretty realistic, but that comes at a price. It's not easy to use.
I hate complex games with too many screens and menus, but I still found my way into the game.
I don't want to say it's a great game. I like it, but I'm sure many people do not or wouldn't like it.
If you're not interested in the trading system at all, you shouldn't even think about buying it.
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Well, I just read those 3 reviews on the X series I linked to, and I've concluded that it's not my style of game. While I loved the open feeling you got playing FarCry, where you could approach the next part of the level in any way you wanted to, I also need the storyline to drive me. That's why I liked FS2 so much - the storyline.
Incidentally, that's what I want to do in Unsung Heroes - tell a story. I just don't have anyone who has the drive to press forward with it. *hint hint* :p
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As a big Final Fantasy fan, I love a good storyline. It's really essential for most games. But it would probably kill your freedom in X3.
I had fun playing the story, but it could be told way better. Everything that is not part of the in-game content, can't keep up with the quality of the game.
The renderscenes aren't good at all. The CG woman in the news looked and moved like the movie is older than the FS2... I mean FS1 intro. ;)
You can do so much, that you don't need a story anyway. You can pick up missions, or search for secrets, explore, build stations... and get rich.
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I've been playing X2 for the last couple of days. Pretty solid for trading, but the combat part seems to be lacking a bit, and its a bit hard to fight when using a mouse, then again its probably that my Argon Discoverer is a piece of ****. Got a few questions that I couldn't find in the manual:
1) When purchasing a ship, it shows "Ship Name S/M/L/XL", is the last part the size of the cargo containers it can hold? If so, is it preferable to save for the L class when buying a fighter (looking/grinding towards an Argon Nova, atm), or can i be same with the S/M?
2) Alpha weapons are the weakest? Gamma are the strongest? Will gammas fit on a Nova?
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1) It just a ship class afaik. You can buy cargo size upgrades in stations.
2) Yepp Alpha>Gamma. Can't say for sure, but I don't think the Nova can use Gamma weapons.
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Wow. X2 is SLOW. I'm looking at the thing and thinking "this isn't moving much more than FSOpen" and yet it's chugging away at what looks like 25FPS. The constant usage of the "ura" is irritating too. It's ura this, ura that. Give it a break.
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1) When purchasing a ship, it shows "Ship Name S/M/L/XL", is the last part the size of the cargo containers it can hold? If so, is it preferable to save for the L class when buying a fighter (looking/grinding towards an Argon Nova, atm), or can i be same with the S/M?
The S/M/L is what equipment the ship has. S being minimal stuff and L normally being maximum shields, a few weapons, the works. Most players early in the game have few ways of buying 25MW shields so they tend to buy their transports with full shielding to avoid having to wander through a sh*tload of sectors searching for that one friendly 25MW shield factory. As for a fighter, it depends what kind of shielding it has, but yes, it is preferable to buy the L as you can't do much usually without a fully kitted fighter. You might want to try to capture a pirate M4, that thing is pure evil, 4 weapon slots!
2) Alpha weapons are the weakest? Gamma are the strongest? Will gammas fit on a Nova?
Alpha < Beta < Gamma
Higher weapons have higher damage and range at the cost of more weapon consumption and rate of fire. That said, the Nova can fit some gammas (IRE and the blue ball launching one) but you are advised to use Beta Plasma thingys and if you normally fight in uncrowded space the boron shield sucking beam which name I don't recall.
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On the subject of X3, does anyone have any tips for getting started? I completed the first mission and the freighter mission alright, but there's quite a steep learning curve and I can't help but feel I could be doing better if I knew a bit more about the game.
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Before I started with the missions, I took on a few pirate ships and if they really left their fighters alone, I sold them. ;)
It's pretty nice to have a bit more money right from the start. Especially when your starting ship is way superior to single pirate fighters in the neighbour system. :drevil:
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Sounds like a good idea, but how do you get hold of their fighters etc? I've seen them drop missile packs but I don't know if they're even recoverable etc.
Consider me a complete n00b when it comes to this :)
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Fear not noob, Just read the first few bits, That'll get you on your feeet, it served me well....
http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/x3_reunion.txt
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Woot! I'm just a little more nooby than Thunder cause I got it TODAY! :drevil:
Hypothetical multiplayer scenario:
Me - "Where's your Hammer of Justice now eh? NANI!? Missile! Oh Shee" <Kaboom>!
Thunder - "Missiles of justice now, biatch!" :lol:
BTW I just got it to rip, er, "acquire" the ships. "Reasearch purposes", yeah that's it.... :P
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Silicon mines are still a good starting point for factories, however, the original earning enough just to be a single freighter is probably the slowest part of the game, your money really does start to take off exponentially once you get that part of things sorted.
One hint you may find useful for X3 is that Out Of System Combat (i.e. Combat that takes place in a system other than the one you are in) gives your ships an advantage, because it is worked out mathmatically, instead of trying to fly all the ships. This means that it IS possible to swamp an enemy ship as long as you aren't part of the group swamping it. I haven't played for a while, so I hope they've fixed some of the dumb AI moments :)
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Right now i have a power plant in Kingdom End and a Wheat Farm in the neighboring system of Three Worlds. Slowly making the money i need for an M3, but I'll probably get another factory or two and start raking in the money. I was thinking of getting a mine in Ore Belt, but the Khaak are running around over there and i don't have the money for escorts for my supply transports.
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Well, I've managed to get an Ore and Silicon mine running in Ore Belt and just kicked off an Argnu Beef factory. I'm playing X3 though, so I plan to link them together into a complex eventually. Khaak aren't too bad once you get the hang of them, an escort of a couple of well armed Busters and maybe 4 of the light fighters (Discovery in X3, not sure for X2) should be more than capable of handling a standard cluster. Shields are important later in the game, when yo get the chance, open up a 25Mj shield factory, you'll have trouble finding enough to fit all your ships otherwise.