[Phantom Hoover]

These threads are basically just trolling at this stage, you're only making them to spoil for a fight.

[Bobboau]

Actually it's his life.

I have lost long friendships over merely not opposing Israel, it seems this weird little strip of land brings out the worst in everyone. But then again the Holy Order of Social Justice does seem to have a weird hard-on for the religion of submission, maybe it's more that everyone is going along with Islam except the people Islam wants to wholesale rape/murder. Can I ask the people who are fuming at me right now, why do you have such a love affair with this ****ing death cult? You have no problem attacking Christianity for the insanity it is. Is it like the pro-life people who if you press them on the issue it turns out they just want to punish people who had sex outside a context they approve of? Are you just trying to destroy the dominant power in the world in hopes you can replace it with some sort of Utopia and you feel so hopelessly outgunned that you think you need to side with literally anyone who opposes it for any reason? Do you ever take a step back and ask yourself if you've fallen into a faulty line of reasoning? What are you fighting for? what is the world heading for? it doesn't look like anything good.

[Goober5000]

To Bobboau: someone has taken exception to the phrase "****ing death cult" as being highly inflammatory.  Try not to be so... er... succinct, I guess.

To Phantom Hoover: kindly do not accuse someone who has posted about a tragic incident directly affecting his family and his neighborhood as "trolling".

To everyone: please keep in mind that everyone has strong, even passionate feelings about things being discussed in the thread.  You might want to reread what you write before you post it.

[Bobboau]

and no one took exception with me describing Christianity as "insanity"? hmmm... weird.

[Scotty]

To Bobboau: someone has taken exception to the phrase "****ing death cult" as being highly inflammatory.  Try not to be so... er... succinct, I guess.

Oh **** off, Goober.  Take your own advice sometime.

and no one took exception with me describing Christianity as "insanity"? hmmm... weird.

If you call someone a "stupid mother****er" and then in the next breath call someone else "a little slow" which one do you think is going to get mentioned in a report?  Reports have a limited character count.

[MP-Ryan]

Well, this thread degenerated quickly.

For the record, I don't think Sandwich making a political point, however he chooses to do so, is at all off base for GenDisc.  The rest of this thread could be discarded quite readily, however.

[Scotty]

Well, this thread degenerated quickly.

For the record, I don't think Sandwich making a political point, however he chooses to do so, is at all off base for GenDisc.  The rest of this thread could be discarded quite readily, however.

It's not.  Sandwich can make whatever political point he wants.  The specific exception I took was that it looked (and still looks) for all the world like he was using a recent tragedy to score political points.

[LaineyBugsDaddy]

To you. That is your opinion. It is not universally shared. Get over yourself already.

[Scotty]

It's not a universally shared opinion that the Earth is round, either.   Sandwich made his position abundantly clear with his follow up post.  The perception remains unchanged.

[Bobboau]

except by all the people challenging it.

[karajorma]

Now let's look at the other side of the coin. What has Israel done to "deserve" these types of actions? Built houses on disputed territory?

The fact that you believe this is the only thing Israel has done to the Palestinians is the exact reason why this sort of thing keeps happening.

[AdmiralRalwood]

except by all the people challenging it.

...And they changed Scotty's perception without him knowing how...?

[LaineyBugsDaddy]

It's not a universally shared opinion that the Earth is round, either.   Sandwich made his position abundantly clear with his follow up post.  The perception remains unchanged.

Nice false equivalence there. You are the first person to accuse of politicization. Several people have stated that they do not perceive such. Yet you persist in insisting that your viewpoint is a fact and an absolute. This is not so. Just because you think it does not make it true. In contrast, the flat earth is prima facie absurd given that the Earth was known to be spherical even in Columbus' day (The idea that it was flat vs round earth geography at stake in Christopher's mission is an urban legend. The debate was what size of spheroid it was, though why I don't know, because...), and the circumference had been fairly accurately calculated some centuries before that.

[Klaustrophobia]

I don't know why I bothered.  Predictable HLP is predictable. 


BTW, Joshua I wasn't referring to you in the Berlin thread, I was referring to PH.

[Grizzly]

Now let's look at the other side of the coin. What has Israel done to "deserve" these types of actions? Built houses on disputed territory? Don't try to come up with some sort of moral equivalency between carrying out acts of murder and constructing houses on disputed lands. And yet that's exactly the comparison the UN recently condemned us for, which may very well have given the driver of the truck some misguided sense of justification for his actions in the world's eyes, in addition to the support and encouragement towards acts of violence he received his entire life through the Palestinian media and education system.

The building houses on disputed territory, as recently supported by Netanyahu's government (which is the crucial difference that made the vote go that way) is symbolical of a far bigger problem: That the Palestinians on the west bank don't have self determination. The Area C settlements  in the west bank are inhabited in part by Palestinians but they don't get to vote in the proceedings there, and the situation is similar in Eastern Jerusalem. Israel maintains the infrastructure in these regions but it does not give the Palestinians access to that same infrastructure. The problem that the UN has condemned is one of Israel treating the areas it occupies as areas it owns without giving a significant portion of the people that live inside those areas the right to make decisions about that, or even just basic human rights.

Putting more of Israel's civilians inside the territory it occupies gives it a mandate to increase IMF presence. It means that it has to expand the infrastructure to support these houses, which in turn means that Palestinian houses are demolished to make way, Palestinian civilians are expelled from their homes and that the Palestinian government is denied access to natural resources (water). Israel has the power to detain anyone in these areas indefinitely and without trail, and it frequently uses this with the stated cause of protecting the civilians it has moved or did not bar from moving into these territories from protestors (or they just shoot the protestors). When the Israel government commits to building more houses it commits to doing this even more, indicating that it is not committed to peace. It's so much more then just a bunch of bricks.

The issue is not whether or not these things are somehow morally equivalent. Two wrongs don't make a right.

BTW, Joshua I wasn't referring to you in the Berlin thread, I was referring to PH.

Phantom Hoover's post was a direct response to mine, they have not done anything I haven't there.

[Luis Dias]

This thread is ****, and Sandwhich is responsible for 0% of that ****tiness. It's incredible to me that people who have no dog in the fight whatsoever, like Scotty say, can be the one to respond in such an emotionally charged manner against someone who *does* live this **** every day. Check your ****ing privilege, Scotty. Armchair opinionating about foreign struggles while condemning people who live it everyday is really ****ing ****ty.

I might agree or disagree with the politics. It matters not. You can say so without completely disrespecting people and their experiences.

[Grizzly]

But then again the Holy Order of Social Justice does seem to have a weird hard-on for the religion of submission, maybe it's more that everyone is going along with Islam except the people Islam wants to wholesale rape/murder. Can I ask the people who are fuming at me right now, why do you have such a love affair with this ****ing death cult? You have no problem attacking Christianity for the insanity it is. Is it like the pro-life people who if you press them on the issue it turns out they just want to punish people who had sex outside a context they approve of? Are you just trying to destroy the dominant power in the world in hopes you can replace it with some sort of Utopia and you feel so hopelessly outgunned that you think you need to side with literally anyone who opposes it for any reason? Do you ever take a step back and ask yourself if you've fallen into a faulty line of reasoning? What are you fighting for? what is the world heading for? it doesn't look like anything good.

As a member of the Holy Order of Social Justice, a position that shall only be taken away over my dead and organ-harvested body, I have absolutely no idea why you went from the notion of refugees having the right to be protected or everyone having equal rights or my contributions to Israel discussions in the past as a sign that I or anyone who has argued similar things has a love affair with a death cult, like I am thrilled at the prospect of terror attacks. This is not a with us or against us game.

[AdmiralRalwood]

Holy Order of Social Justice

[Phantom Hoover]

There are an awful lot of people here who have apparently never read a Sandwich GenDisc thread before.

[Blue Lion]

What I expected was another Sandwich thread about how evil the Palestinians are, what I got was all the mods and admins yelling at each other. Not expecting that.