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Would you be interested in  fredding guild?

I would like to be involved
16 (50%)
I might be interested
10 (31.3%)
not for me
5 (15.6%)
What's Fred?
1 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 05, 2003, 06:46:01 pm

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Offline Goober5000

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Agree with BlackWolf.  Especially with the voluntary mission tests.  Self-challenges, but not initiation rituals.

LtNarol: We should have a sticky thread telling how to beam-free-all, and if someone posts a thread it'll be deleted. :)

 

Offline karajorma

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For this mission Change-iff would be fine. I`ve posted the reasons against it in general on the SCP forum.
 But if you don`t know that disabled enemy fighters blow up it is a little nasty bug that would catch the unwary out. :D
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Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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No one said anything about Elitist, and no one said anything about joining a club.  If I have my way, ALL Fredders will be welcome.  Not just the ones who can teach.  As far as it goes, the tests are really only for one thing........quality assurance.  It isn't an entry exam into anything.  It just lets the instructors know what areas an individual needs help with.  There will be no flaming of individuals, there can't be a political agenda, because there are no politics.  Flat out it is simply a place to learn fredding at basically whatever Pace you can manage.  The only reason for the testing at all is to make sure that a would be fredder knows what he is doing.  Less headache for the mod leader, alot less headache for the fredder.  I'll tell ya when fred starts giving me a headache i put him away.

And no one has to sit through everything, you can elect to test out, or not to be involved and learn fredding by watching the forum.  The thing is, no matter what happens, we will be there.  The staff will be ready to teach, and ready to learn.  Or simply ready to send out another tip/trick thread.  

Oh and as far as it goes, to ensure that we stay in a non elite mindset, if my student isn't learning, it's my fault.  I will be responsible and accountable, as will my instructor who teaches me if I am not progressing.

The first step in all of this is the creation of the Books.  We have split (generalized splitting) fred into topics which will build on each other.  These will also be divided into smaller more manageable lessons.  So as not to overwhelm the person learning.

Something else we are doing is setting up a demo mission text for fred2.  Hippo can tell you that while fred 2 is more comprehensive, Fred 1  walks you step by step through building a sample mission.  It helps to see the practical aplication of things that the tutorials talk about.
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Offline karajorma

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I meant to say this before but I forgot. If you get this thing set up you are welcome to use any parts of the FRED and VPView sections of my FAQ in any way you see fit.
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Offline Hippo

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Originally posted by LtNarol
Ah, and what happens when you get beam-free-all questions every week?  It'll turn into another vBB.


noooooooooooooooooooooo.............
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Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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ok, i have returned from the painful episode known as "Vacation", with nothing but fun stories and a twisted knee, but it's time to get back to work.  So..........let's start correlating the list.  What do you want for the Guild.  Don't put what you don't want, and don't respond to what someone else wants.  The big question is, what do you want?

[edit]  also, when you do this, please list whether or not you would be willing to help in the creation of this, as well as what you role (if any) you would be willing to take in the creation/operation of it. [end edit]
« Last Edit: March 19, 2003, 09:48:50 am by 820 »
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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Well, what do you mean, "What do we want". We don't know what we want as we are not sure what the guild will be. We are not sure what the guild will be because we do not know what we want.

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I know who I am and I know who you are. You obviously don't know who I am. Are you sure you know who you are?

 

Offline Hippo

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What I would like:
Seperate sections for FRED2 and FRED1 (or at least different challenges)

What I will do:
Teach/Help for FRED1 (mabey FRED2)
Test missions
Provide on the spot help
(If we need a new forum)Moderate
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Offline silverwolf

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once I'm done learning fred2 i will be able to help and can test missions and moderate a forum but i'm not trying to step on hippo's toes so only if you need a replacement mod

 

Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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right now we are in the planning stage of the guild, we know it will be an educational place for fredders of all levels.  What i want to know is, with that being a given, what do you want to see in it, how you would set it up, etc etc.
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Offline silverwolf

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I'd like to see say a mission archive made from the members for reference for beginners maybe a fred Q&A that way we won't get beam-free all questions everyday. Maybe if we could muster enough space and resources a chatroom so people could be helped in realtime.

thats some of my ideas about it

 

Offline Hippo

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beam-free-all... now i remember why i like FRED1 better...:wink:
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Offline pyro-manic

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Er, damn.

I must have completely missed this when it started - sorry!

Anyway, what I would like:

We wouldn't necessarily need a forum (though it'd be nice). You could just have a website with this sort of stuff:

Basic Q&A/FAQ page, with how to do all the "beam-free-all" type stuff.

Advanced Techniques: How to do the tricky stuff - ships leaving and re-entering, counters, variables, etc.

A section on briefings: a suggested structure for briefings and debriefs, so that they are always clear and easy to understand, and actually work properly.

A section on backgrounds: How to do good backgrounds. I've lost count of the number of missions I've played where the background consists of one white star and a lot of black...

A tutorial section, with walkthroughs and guides on how to do different types of mission (escort, attack, defence, escape, etc)

That's all for now!
:)
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Offline Hippo

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but if its a webpage there is less availability for a one on one walkthrough on almost any topic. with a message board, they would have to post the problem and then wait a while for a tip that might not be what the needed. A forum sort of allows multiple people to be working someone through a situation step by step, within minutes of eachother.
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Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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or maybe a realtime chat room would be useful here.  I can build one for us in a matter of 2 minutes.  Link it to the guild web site, and bingo, you have a classroom.  It may also help for teaching purposes.  If we get enough people interested in fredding we can actually start a lesson schedule.
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Offline diamondgeezer

REALTIME CHAT WOULD BE A1 SUPAR :nod::nod::nod:

Go for it my pedigree chum, I know I'd use it

 

Offline silverwolf

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yah the thing about the chat classes sound good like at 5:00 p.m silverwolf  on and on to how many people are in the class
instructor:hippo
class: FRED1
« Last Edit: March 21, 2003, 08:09:10 am by 921 »

 

Offline silverwolf

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just want to make sure it doesn't go into the void of old stuff                maybe we should get it stickied

 

Offline Hippo

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you talking about this thread being stikiyized?

To prevent repeats, you could make each subject into a thread, or page, clearly lbled as the subject...
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Offline silverwolf

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errm wouldn't stikitizing it just work better either that or i don't get what your saying