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I bought it, i just left the Vault on sunday. Not got back to it today as i'm at work.
/discuss :D
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I won't touch that blasphemy even with a 10ft pole :P
End of discussion
EDIT: Thought I'd clarify, just in case someone starts calling me NMA'er: :P
Imagine a certain Not-So-Smart person took a hold of Freespace's IP rights, and then he'd make That-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named. On this game, Shivans would have yellow glows and were pacifists, Vasudans would wear pink clothes and curse left and right. Oh and terrans would start having spikey ships and couldn't fire beams because of space rights laws...
That's Fallout 3... :P
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I'ts the closest thing i've got to a system shock 2 that works on any of my systems. I just try to "detach it" from the others. The others are excellent. This is ok :nervous:
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Meh ok your call... if you can call "close to System Shock 2" the ridicule we see in Fallout 3, then I'm sure you will have no problems enjoying it :P
I for once hate to be treated as a moron in a game
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I won't touch that blasphemy even with a 10ft pole :P
End of discussion
Glad you know how much it sucks without ever playing it. FO3 is possibly the best game to come out in 2008.
21 hours played and barely touched the main plot yet.
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In case you didn't follow it, there were (and believe there still are) various gameplay videos, a by-product of the XBox version pirating some days before release... so no I didn't have to play it to see how much of a dumbfest they made the game :P
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Gameplay over story, I like VATS. the whole sequence of being born, using the "i'm special" book, and doing the aptitude test to refine my character.. All that was unparralelled :p
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In case you didn't follow it, there were (and believe there still are) various gameplay videos, a by-product of the XBox version pirating some days before release... so no I didn't have to play it to see how much of a dumbfest they made the game :P
I'm just gonna blink here and be awed by such stubborn stupidity.
Bethesda finally nailed it with FO3. I really doubt there's a game studio out there that could have done a better job in making the game a reality.
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I like it all, from the pip-boy swaying slightly as you look at it, the radio broadcasts, to the way when you leave the vault you're blind just like the information in the book describes :D
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I loved the 3 original Fallout games(yes Tactics, you too) and from what I've see Fallout 3 looks pretty sweet. I won't likely play it because my computer is too old to run it. Radeon X800 video card that ran Oblivion just won't cut it I believe. Someone who owns the game please prove me wrong and tell me you haven't had performance loss compared to TES4.
Anyway we fallout fans should be happy for what we get. No one is going to make a real Fallout 2d isometric ultra interactive game anymore. Nonetheless i hear the new game is pretty deep and will be the evolution of the series.
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Bethesda finally nailed it with FO3. I really doubt there's a game studio out there that could have done a better job in making the game a reality.
Uhm... ever heard of... I don't know, Obsidian perhaps? Or perhaps even CD Projekt. Talk about me being stupid uh?
But hey! I'm sure you're pretty happy playing it, pretending you're having extremely morally deep situations and real challenges ahead of you. So carry on, and be happy... I know I'm happy too :P
Anyway we fallout fans should be happy for what we get. No one is going to make a real Fallout 2d isometric ultra interactive game anymore.
Well, not every "fallout fan" (if there's even an universal definition of that term) asked for a isometric and turn based RPG. That's a common mistake people make (no doubt because of reading from the same style of sources, instead of crossing info from both sides).
In fact if you'd read a bit of NMA's (its Fallout's HLP so to speak :) ) forums, you'd see that many many fans don't have much of a problem.
The big gripe however, is not only the lack of respect for the established cannon, unoriginality, but also the "hand-holding", lack of "unforeseen consequences", lack of deepness, lack of decent dialogue, etc.
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Uhm... ever heard of... I don't know, Obsidian perhaps? Or perhaps even CD Projekt. Talk about me being stupid uh?
Obsidian did some great job with KOTOR2 and NWN2, though I wouldn't call either a masterpiece. CD Projekt's Witcher is an awesome RPG and I really applaud to the amount of dedication they showed to their fans by releasing the special edition a year after the original game.
But hey! I'm sure you're pretty happy playing it, pretending you're having extremely morally deep situations and real challenges ahead of you. So carry on, and be happy... I know I'm happy too :P
Of course I'm enjoying the immersive world, fun combat, dangerous enemies that can bite my head off if I'm careless, the roleplaying elements and all the little touches the devs put to the game. I expected FO3 to be average like Oblivion, but was really positively surprised. At least I've given the game a chance instead of judging it a horrible blasphemy without never actually playing it.
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Obsidian did some great job with KOTOR2 and NWN2, though I wouldn't call either a masterpiece.
Funny that you only mention their 2 games where they had to "follow orders", and also interesting enough their 2 worst games (Kotor 2 not in the sense that it was a bad rpg, but in the sense that LA rushed it out of the door. Wouldve been one of the best RPG's ever if LA didn't interfere)... You didn't play MotB for example?
And please confirm that I got it right... you're calling Fallout 3 a masterpiece? If so, what makes you say that? I'm genuinely curious
Of course I'm enjoying the immersive world, fun combat, dangerous enemies that can bite my head off if I'm careless, the roleplaying elements and all the little touches the devs put to the game. I expected FO3 to be average like Oblivion, but was really positively surprised.
Oh it has roleplaying elemenets... maybe that's why its a masterpiece. I'd never thought of seeing roleplaying elements in a roleplaying game.
And aparently it takes a bit more to surprise me than you :P
At least I've given the game a chance instead of judging it a horrible blasphemy without never actually playing it.
Well I'm sorry you have to spend 50$ in order to judge a game.
I for my part prefer to read what every side has to say about it, watch other people play (gameplay vids, both from the devs and from players), hear what both devs and players have to say about it, cross reference everything, and make my own conclusions. One thing's for certain, I'm not wasting my money on something unless I'm absolutely sure it's worth it. And in this particular case, from all I've seen and read, I'm absolutely sure Fallout 3 is not worth its value in money. Perhaps I just have higher\different standards when it comes to games.
But to each his own. Like I said, have fun with it.
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I should've called this Fallout 3 FANS / Positive discussion. I get that you don't like it for numerous reasons, but re-iteration in a text based forum is pointless as it's on the record now.
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Funny that you only mention their 2 games where they had to "follow orders", and also interesting enough their 2 worst games (Kotor 2 not in the sense that it was a bad rpg, but in the sense that LA rushed it out of the door. Wouldve been one of the best RPG's ever if LA didn't interfere)... You didn't play MotB for example?
And please confirm that I got it right... you're calling Fallout 3 a masterpiece? If so, what makes you say that? I'm genuinely curious
As I recall, Obsidian Entertainment has only produced those two games thus far, plus the expansions for NWN2. I'm fully aware that their origins are in Black Isle, but they are a different company. And yea, it's sad how especially KOTOR2 was rushed out before it was polished.
I haven't played either of the NWN2 expansions yet, though I've heard MotB is a lot better than the original campaign. Gotta find the time to try it out sometime
And finally no, I'm not calling Fallout 3 a masterpiece. Far too early for that. I am calling it a good game though, as I've had a total blast playing it and for the first time in a long, long time I've wondered how the clock can be 1am already.
Oh it has roleplaying elemenets... maybe that's why its a masterpiece. I'd never thought of seeing roleplaying elements in a roleplaying game.
And aparently it takes a bit more to surprise me than you :P
You seem to misread me on purpose. It is a RPG of course, with elements from other genres. The blend works for me just fine.
Well I'm sorry you have to spend 50$ in order to judge a game.
I for my part prefer to read what every side has to say about it, watch other people play (gameplay vids, both from the devs and from players), hear what both devs and players have to say about it, cross reference everything, and make my own conclusions. One thing's for certain, I'm not wasting my money on something unless I'm absolutely sure it's worth it. And in this particular case, from all I've seen and read, I'm absolutely sure Fallout 3 is not worth its value in money. Perhaps I just have higher\different standards when it comes to games.
But to each his own. Like I said, have fun with it.
Of course you have to try the game to judge it. The positive comments and reviews encouraged me to buy FO3 and I haven't regretted it.
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Yeah, I have to agree, you gotta play a game to judge it.
I doubt it'll live up to Fallout 1 and 2, but taken on its own it may be worth it.
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I won't touch that blasphemy even with a 10ft pole :P
End of discussion
EDIT: Thought I'd clarify, just in case someone starts calling me NMA'er: :P
Imagine a certain Not-So-Smart person took a hold of Freespace's IP rights, and then he'd make That-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named. On this game, Shivans would have yellow glows and were pacifists, Vasudans would wear pink clothes and curse left and right. Oh and terrans would start having spikey ships and couldn't fire beams because of space rights laws...
That's Fallout 3... :P
In case you didn't follow it, there were (and believe there still are) various gameplay videos, a by-product of the XBox version pirating some days before release... so no I didn't have to play it to see how much of a dumbfest they made the game :P
I'm just gonna blink here and be awed by such stubborn stupidity.
Bethesda finally nailed it with FO3. I really doubt there's a game studio out there that could have done a better job in making the game a reality.
Ignorance at its best. How I hate such people.
The game is REALLY awesome! I'm pretty much addicted to it. Personally I think it's even better than the originals.
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I love em all, not because of the backstory but because each game's good in its own right. Fallout 3 is no different :yes:
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I should've called this Fallout 3 FANS / Positive discussion. I get that you don't like it for numerous reasons, but re-iteration in a text based forum is pointless as it's on the record now.
I was merely replying\discussing about Lt. Cannonfodder's points of view, with minimal to no bloodshed... If it doesn't live up with your expectations of my opinion of the game, I'm sorry, but perhaps you should've named the topic as "Fallout 3 praising" IMO.
Isn't a negative opinion worthy of discussion nowadays? In fact I can't conceive a discussion without diverging opinions :P
Also, I don't see where I'm re-iterating. I've started from a general premise and then engaged myself in a healthy discussion with Lt. Cannonfodder, in which we are replying case by case to our points...
I haven't played either of the NWN2 expansions yet, though I've heard MotB is a lot better than the original campaign. Gotta find the time to try it out sometime
That explains it, you'r really missing out by not playing it yet... in fact NWN2 almost seems like crap compared to MotB imo.
And finally no, I'm not calling Fallout 3 a masterpiece. Far too early for that. I am calling it a good game though
Yeah that's it... simply good is not what I expect from a game nowadays. :\
And notice I didn't even go with the "what a sequel should be" argument. I'm trying to stay clear of that one for sanity's sake :D
You seem to misread me on purpose. It is a RPG of course, with elements from other genres. The blend works for me just fine.
I did, I just couldnt hold myself. Apologies though.
Seriously now, I have no problem whatsoever with the blend either. Like I said in a previous post, its the blandness and degradation of the setting that I have gripes with.
For instance, from what I've seen, Deus Ex was a much better game than this... and its what? 7 years old?
Vampires: Bloodlines was also, despite its inumerable bugs and horrid (in RPG terms) final chapter an excelent FPS\RPG... write me, or even show me via footage an example of comparable dialogue (both NPC's and character lines) in terms of quality and soul in Fallout 3... no in fact give me 10... just one isn't enough in a game that big.
Of course you have to try the game to judge it. The positive comments and reviews encouraged me to buy FO3 and I haven't regretted it.
Well, if we were discussing movies I'd agree with you. Staying clear of reviews (because well I don't consider most reviews the least professional in terms of journalism), and "online Joe's" opinions, Trailers don't say anything about movies. You do have to see the movie for yourself to judge.
I don't agree whan it comes to games for the simple fact that gameplay footage tells you all you need to know about a game: gameplay, visuals, writing\dialogue quality, voice acting quality, setting and atmosphere. Only thing you don't get on gameplay footage is you pressing the buttons, but really that's the least of my worries when it comes to an RPG.
From all the footage I've seen of Fallout 3, case by case:
- Gameplay: standard FPS\RPG hybrid, with the exception of VATS... VATS slo-mo sequences look boring as hell 90% of the time.
I hate it that the game gives you so many hints (both subtle and flat out slapped in your face) about the consequences, what to do, etc.
- Visuals: good, but outdated. Not really a problem for me to be honest. The animations however... ugh.
- Writing quality: cliché, boring, bland... few actual deep choices.
- Voice acting: mixed feelings: some NPC's sound like they came straight out of oblivion, others are good enough (not excellent), other's are downright awfull (I still have nightmares about Mr Burke's voice acting... in the worst sense)
- Setting and atmosphere: Well the setting is clearly very little Fallout: Orcs (I mean super mutants), Holy Knights (I mean BoS), etc. I'm really not one to complain about them being in the west coast, or that they have a visual evolution. However, when they start resembling medieval fantasy factions I must say we have a problem. Yes I know the BoS have the outcast faction which adheres to the original BoS code, but just the fact that the majority of West Coast's BoS folks turned over to Holy Knights is insulting to say the least. It simply shows that they wanted to have familiar names, but they didn't like the faction's themselves.
Also the fact that there's a S. Mutant breeding center that does exactly the same as FO1's one manages to break my suspension of disbelief.
Still on the setting there's some stuff that is indeed interesting (atleast the concepts of them) in the fallout setting, like Megaton, Rivet City, and others.
Visually, despite visual inconsistencies regarding the originals, the atmosphere isn't bad... However the horrid animations and poor writing completely ruin it for me.
So yeah, I believe gameplay videos are more than enough for me to judge a game
Ignorance at its best. How I hate such people.
The game is REALLY awesome! I'm pretty much addicted to it. Personally I think it's even better than the originals.
Yes because the originals didn't have so good graphics, and only a few NPC's had voice. Also their lines were much longer so they forced you to read alot...
Ignorance at its best. How I hate such people.
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I like what I'm hearing about this game. There are a lot of people complaining about bugs and stability issues, but the game itself seems to have many good ideas. I will play it once I'm done with my current crop of games.
I haven't played the previous games, although even if I had, I would judge this game on its own merits like I always do.
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There are a lot of people complaining about bugs and stability issues,
You mean like all Bethesda games?
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Yeah that's it... simply good is not what I expect from a game nowadays. :\
And notice I didn't even go with the "what a sequel should be" argument. I'm trying to stay clear of that one for sanity's sake :D
I try not to get too picky when it comes to games. I buy and play the ones that I think will hold my interest and every now and then something really great comes along. Fallout 3 might be one of those, I just haven't seen enough to decide yet.
Seriously now, I have no problem whatsoever with the blend either. Like I said in a previous post, its the blandness and degradation of the setting that I have gripes with.
For instance, from what I've seen, Deus Ex was a much better game than this... and its what? 7 years old?
Vampires: Bloodlines was also, despite its inumerable bugs and horrid (in RPG terms) final chapter an excelent FPS\RPG... write me, or even show me via footage an example of comparable dialogue (both NPC's and character lines) in terms of quality and soul in Fallout 3... no in fact give me 10... just one isn't enough in a game that big.
Deus Ex was fantastic, but c'mon, can you really say Fallout 3 is worse without even playing it? Besides, the two games are completely different in so many ways the comparison is not very valid.
As for Bloodlines, my memory on that is a bit fuzzy. I do recall hating the combat system, I think I got stuck fighting some tentacled boss monster. I never found the dialogue or the quests particularly special, though the whole setting was very interesting.
Well, if we were discussing movies I'd agree with you. Staying clear of reviews (because well I don't consider most reviews the least professional in terms of journalism), and "online Joe's" opinions, Trailers don't say anything about movies. You do have to see the movie for yourself to judge.
I don't agree whan it comes to games for the simple fact that gameplay footage tells you all you need to know about a game: gameplay, visuals, writing\dialogue quality, voice acting quality, setting and atmosphere. Only thing you don't get on gameplay footage is you pressing the buttons, but really that's the least of my worries when it comes to an RPG.
I get the feeling that you started out with the preconceived idea that the game will suck, and picked every screenshots and video apart to reinforce that. And again, watching videos is never, ever the same as actually playing the game. Especially when you need to judge the quality of writing and how deep the decisions you have to make are.
- Gameplay: standard FPS\RPG hybrid, with the exception of VATS... VATS slo-mo sequences look boring as hell 90% of the time.
I hate it that the game gives you so many hints (both subtle and flat out slapped in your face) about the consequences, what to do, etc.
VATS makes the otherwise simple combat fun. And no, the slow-motion hasn't gotten boring, at least not yet. Ripping someone's leg off with a sniper rifle or melting them into a pile of ash with my laser pistol is always good fun.
- Visuals: good, but outdated. Not really a problem for me to be honest. The animations however... ugh.
Granted, the animations have always been a problem with Bethesda's games. It's not nearly as bad a with Oblivion or Morrowind though, and I dont really notice most of the time. As for the visuals looking outdated, I have to disagree. It may not stand up to games liky Crysis, but it doesn't have to. The post apocalyptic wasteland looks great.
- Writing quality: cliché, boring, bland... few actual deep choices.
Can't comment much on writing quality since I haven't played through the game yet. Have you?
As for deep choices, already ran into some interesting ones I was forced to make. Certain quest concerning a very old friend was especially good.
- Voice acting: mixed feelings: some NPC's sound like they came straight out of oblivion, others are good enough (not excellent), other's are downright awfull (I still have nightmares about Mr Burke's voice acting... in the worst sense)
Back in FO1 and FO2, you only had to voice act the important characters; no such luxury with FO3, just imagine the amount of complaining had Bethesda left a majority of their NPCs mute. With that in mind, I accept that the voice actors are of mixed quality, as you yourself said. I do dare you to call Liam Neeson and Malcolm McDowell bad though :D
- Setting and atmosphere: Well the setting is clearly very little Fallout: Orcs (I mean super mutants), Holy Knights (I mean BoS), etc. I'm really not one to complain about them being in the west coast, or that they have a visual evolution. However, when they start resembling medieval fantasy factions I must say we have a problem. Yes I know the BoS have the outcast faction which adheres to the original BoS code, but just the fact that the majority of West Coast's BoS folks turned over to Holy Knights is insulting to say the least. It simply shows that they wanted to have familiar names, but they didn't like the faction's themselves.
Also the fact that there's a S. Mutant breeding center that does exactly the same as FO1's one manages to break my suspension of disbelief.
Still on the setting there's some stuff that is indeed interesting (atleast the concepts of them) in the fallout setting, like Megaton, Rivet City, and others.
Visually, despite visual inconsistencies regarding the originals, the atmosphere isn't bad... However the horrid animations and poor writing completely ruin it for me.
The original Fallout characters were mostly sprites maybe 80 pixels tall. Turning those convincingly into 3D is very hard and I think Bethesda managed to do it fairly well. I especially love what they did to the Deathclaws, those things are scary as hell.
The whole world in general has a great atmosphere to it: everything really looks and feels like a nuclear wasteland should. I really dont understand what the game should look like to please you.
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Also the fact that there's a S. Mutant breeding center that does exactly the same as FO1's one manages to break my suspension of disbelief.
Thanks for the spoiler!
Although I agree from what I've read and seen that a lot of the style and atmosphere that was the fundament of the series has been removed.
I mean look at the colors. Everything is grayish brown, you can't see the bits of the real world peeking out of the debris.
There is a hand-held nuke launcher! I mean how corny is that? In the originals nuclear weapons where depicted as worse than the worse thing imaginable and where used only to resolve the grand finale, and here we are using them as pea shooters in common combat.
I hope this new game makes younger players want to try the originals. The graphics are ancient and the difficulty is hardcore for noobs but they should really give them a shot as they where the art/literature amongst games.
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I just got it and am enjoying it. I've only made it as far as Megaton, though. TF2 and college are taking up a lot of my time right now.
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Rather than read through some of the obscenely long posts on the first page, I'll simply state my reasons for not getting the game.
#1. Oblivion
#2. Oblivion
#3. Oblivion
#4. Oblivion
#5. Oblivion
P.S. A cookie to the first person who gets a screencap of BoS soldiers talking about mudcrabs and how filthy they are.
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I try not to get too picky when it comes to games.
Well I am, got fed up with wasting money on stuff that everyone and everything praised... and then turned out to be mediocre, or the same crap I had played 2 months ago.
Deus Ex was fantastic, but c'mon, can you really say Fallout 3 is worse without even playing it? Besides, the two games are completely different in so many ways the comparison is not very valid.
There comes "not even playing it" again... If you can't make up your mind about a game with plenty of non-playing samples, fine. I can, however.
Deus Ex was a better a game when it came to merging FPS with RPG because the mechanics made more sense. For example, in Deus Ex your skill with guns affects your crosshair accuracy. In FO3 it affects the damage you do with a weapon... except in VATS where it does indeed affect your chance to hit...
I'm not going into the "and I felt more engaged in Deus Ex" thing, because well, its subjective 100%.
As for Bloodlines, my memory on that is a bit fuzzy. I do recall hating the combat system, I think I got stuck fighting some tentacled boss monster. I never found the dialogue or the quests particularly special, though the whole setting was very interesting.
Why did you hate the combat system? I think I know the answer but I'll reserve my answer untill I know it for certain.
The dialogue wasn't special. Wasn't it miles better than FO3's? Just 1 Malkavian line could level any line I've heard in FO3. Please let's try to keep it fair. You may not apreciate subtle and well thought of dialogue, but really I can't conceive that anyone wouldnt find Bloodline's dialogue special. Same goes for FO1 and FO2
Other examples can be your persuasion and seduction lines. But Bloodlines is full of good lines, so its hard to pinpoint just one.
I get the feeling that you started out with the preconceived idea that the game will suck, and picked every screenshots and video apart to reinforce that. And again, watching videos is never, ever the same as actually playing the game. Especially when you need to judge the quality of writing and how deep the decisions you have to make are.
You get the feeling wrong, you should attune yourself better with the Force :P
Seriously now. I actually adopted a "wait and see" attitude, and have let some horrid stuff pass by me, untill I watched the first gameplay videos, and then some more.
You can say I'm biased, which I am (but then again, so are you and everyone else here :P ). I wasn't however, very patient and open minded.
And out of curiosity, how deep were the decisions you made so far? How unforeseen were they as well?
As for the visuals looking outdated, I have to disagree. It may not stand up to games liky Crysis, but it doesn't have to. The post apocalyptic wasteland looks great.
It doesn't stand up to Crysis, UT3, Unigine. At best the visuals can rival Source... so their outdated. Fact. I did say they were good though...
And the animations, albeit improved from Oblivion are extremely outdated.
Back in FO1 and FO2, you only had to voice act the important characters; no such luxury with FO3, just imagine the amount of complaining had Bethesda left a majority of their NPCs mute. With that in mind, I accept that the voice actors are of mixed quality, as you yourself said. I do dare you to call Liam Neeson and Malcolm McDowell bad though Big grin
Back in FO1 and 2 they didn't spend 1\10th of the money Bethesda spent on FO3, so its no excuse really.
And no, Neeson and McDowel aren't bad, but then again, Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean aren't bad either, yet they sounded awfull in Oblivion...
The original Fallout characters were mostly sprites maybe 80 pixels tall. Turning those convincingly into 3D is very hard and I think Bethesda managed to do it fairly well. I especially love what they did to the Deathclaws, those things are scary as hell.
Erm... stay true to the original design perhaps? Its the same story as having a FS3 with yellow glowed Shivans... Would you accept it?!? You don't have to answer, I already know for sure.
If you need examples:
Super mutants resembling The Hulk in terms of anatomy, hunched pose, enormous chin (compared to forehead) and upper lips being held up by something (on the dumb ones, so most of them :P ). Cancerous growths and dry skin. There's 3 Super Mutant talking heads in FO 1 and 2 so there's plenty of reference for the faces. As for the body, even those "80px" are enough to show how they are supposed to look like...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images//thumb/9/9b/Harry.jpg/250px-Harry.jpg
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images//thumb/c/c0/Marcus.jpg/200px-Marcus.jpg
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images//thumb/a/a3/Lieutenant.gif/120px-Lieutenant.gif
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images//0/0e/Supermutant.gif
Enough reference? I'm sure you can spot the diferences...
Deathclaws, all I have to say is this:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images//thumb/a/a6/Deathclaw2.jpg/250px-Deathclaw2.jpg
On this one they actually almost got it right... they had to turn the horns around and make it look like a demon though...
Humans: oh wait they got it right... must've been hard though :P
everything really looks and feels like a nuclear wasteland should. I really dont understand what the game should look like to please you.
Again... stay true to the original?!?
Yeah it does look like a great generic nuclear wasteland... Yet fallout's wasteland wasn't generic in the least.
Molybdenium was spot on when it comes not being Fallout. He was also spot on on what Fallout was about (atleast on the small things he mentioned).
Again, yes I'm biased. I never said FO3 is a bad game... IMO its mediocre. Good at best. It has the same flaws Bethesda always had in their games (and I was never particularly interested in their games... I had the misfortune of playing Oblivion though...).
But it doesn't have any resemblance to Fallout, and that alone is enough for me not to play it.
If it was called something else, then maybe I could look at it with other eyes (but probably I wouldn't like it still for its blandness).
If that's so hard to understand, imagine FS3 with yellow Shivan pacifists and spiky Vasudans, and all should be clear to you :P
Thanks for the spoiler!
Ooops sorry :D Want some more? Oh wait I can't I haven't played the game ;)
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Now then--I'm really enjoying the game. It's the first game in perhaps years that bought at launch and have really enjoyed playing. I'm on my second real play-through as well... I finished the game once but barely paid attention to side-quests. It's also one of the few games that I feel I don't need a manual for: the objectives are clear and concise. They put it within knowledge--so instead of saying "put this observer pod in a mirelurk pod" and directing me to the very pod, they tell me here's the building and have designed the game such that you wander a bit and can find it easily. Those Mirelurks are real *****es to kill too--dangerous to say the least. I've not used the Fat Man or the Missile Launcher, though they're designed to be used against gigantic enemies where nothing else may be effective, such as Super Mutant Behemoths. Other than that, it's been a pretty good game. It's engaging for me... I can do what I want how I want when I want where I want and in whatever order I want. That being said, I was able to skip ahead in the main quest by skipping a part of it. I've not finished the game yet--I'll find out then if I made a mistake or not. Until then, I'll be simply doing side-quests, talking to people, and seeing what I missed the first time through. There's plenty I missed--and knowing Vault Dweller's history has become a major asset in manipulating more information out of NPCs.
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Fallout 3 looks like it sucks (although I've never played it) and is much worse than many other great games out there. It's ripping off Deus Ex, but not as good (note: I've never played Deus Ex) but even though it's newer, it's got worse graphics than Crysis (which I've never played). It's also destroying the original setting and story of Fallouts 1 and 2 (I watched a video of these, but never played them.) In addition, the setting is a complete ripoff from Mad Max (a movie I've never seen) though I do hope they keep in the monty python references (I've read that Monty Python are pretty funny guys, but I've never seen anything they've done) from the original fallouts.
All in all, Fallout 3 sucks, and the whole post apocalyptic distopia thing was old when 1984 (By George Orwell, never read it) and Brave New World (By Aldous Huxley, also haven't read it, though I did see the cover of the book once) came out. They need to come up with something new to make games about, maybe Hop on Pop (by Dr. Seuss, Whose works I've never read)
(Note, this post is a complete fallacy)
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interestingly, this reminds me of the election...
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Bandx--what are you smoking tonight? Blech--whatever. Anyways--I really like how they designed Capital Wasteland and the depth they gave it. The radio station did add to the atmosphere--especially as you get a reputation for good/evil and Three Dog talks about it. The Enclave station is pure propaganda, the People's Republic of America station is just a short clip looping but also propaganda.
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real propaganda or game propaganda?
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Bob, I was poking fun at the whole "I've never played the game, but I read about it, so therefore, I don't like it." thing that's going on in this thread
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real propaganda or game propaganda?
Game propaganda, and an annoying loop too. That station is communist propaganda--again, seemingly 200 years old. Then again, we have no clue about the situation in China or anywhere other than the USA is. For all we know, China could have their own version of the Enclave. Reasons like this make me want a Fallout 4--I want to know more about this post-apocalyptic world, which requires volumes upon volumes. It's the world that draws me in. Anyways--some of these radio stations seem to lead you to a particular spot on the map, where you can find interesting stuff (a UFO, for example).
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I just completed the main quest an I must say that
I am absolutely freaking PISSED at Bethesda. Oblivion allowed the character to continue exploring the world after the main quest had been completed. An in Fallout 3, the choice is to either a. die or b. send someone else to their death inside a radiation-filled control room, and the second option still doesn't allow you to continue playing after the game has ended. This is made yet more irksome by the fact that as part of the main quest, I had saved a benign Super Mutant who was allegedly immune to radiation. He tagged along and helped me out in combat with an awesome lazer chaingun. Why wasn't I given the choice of sending him inside instead? That way, nobody needs to die and the PC could still retain hope of going home to Vault 101 someday.
/nerdrage
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I just completed the main quest an I must say that
I am absolutely freaking PISSED at Bethesda. Oblivion allowed the character to continue exploring the world after the main quest had been completed. An in Fallout 3, the choice is to either a. die or b. send someone else to their death inside a radiation-filled control room, and the second option still doesn't allow you to continue playing after the game has ended. This is made yet more irksome by the fact that as part of the main quest, I had saved a benign Super Mutant who was allegedly immune to radiation. He tagged along and helped me out in combat with an awesome lazer chaingun. Why wasn't I given the choice of sending him inside instead? That way, nobody needs to die and the PC could still retain hope of going home to Vault 101 someday.
/nerdrage
Or at least finishing all the quests and enjoying your Power Armor (both BoS and Enclave), Tesla Armor, and possibly even T-51b Power Armor, Medic Power Armor, or Outcast Power Armor. You finally get access to everything--and you effectively can't use it all. Anyways--that gattling laser was awesome--I'd have been happy to use it. Other than that, how do you cheat? :-P
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I think I'll just leave this thread shaking my head. Talk about fanboyism.
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I'm not a major fallout Fanboy. I never finished the first one in fact :p i just enjoy FO3 :bah:
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I really wasn't referring to you.
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Yeah i know, i was just putting it out there :nod:
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Well I am, got fed up with wasting money on stuff that everyone and everything praised... and then turned out to be mediocre, or the same crap I had played 2 months ago.
I'm probably the last person that will jump on the popularity band wagon, and I'm very critical of everything.
If it means anything to you, I consider Fallout 3 a rather good product. Could have been even better, but it is good, no question about it.
But it doesn't have any resemblance to Fallout, and that alone is enough for me not to play it.
Rubbish. I'm a big Fallout fan, and in fact, I re-played both FO1 and FO2 just 2-3 months ago. It has FO's atmosphere. It's done right.
Seems to me like you're caught in some sort of hate loop - probably because you hated Oblivion or cause the game isn't made by the original company or because it might eclipse/get more attention that another game you want or the original. I know the feeling. Ashamed to say, I've been that way myself (yup. I hated Freespace with a passion and I never wanted to play it. boy, was I wrong...)
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Me and two of my friends got the game yesterday, we liked it quite a bit. We also like the first two games a lot. so far FO3 has not been a disappointment.
Sure, it isn't the isometric turn based combat we all loved to hate or hated to love, but VATS makes up for it. My only gripe with VATS is that I hoped it would stay on until turned off. Now I have to press V again after every attack as long I have enough action points to make use of it. Because of this I've done most of the combat as real-time instead. During the three hours of play this is about the only gripe I have, which means FO3 is good enough in my books.
FO3 however looks a bit outdated by today's standards, especially character animations. But I'm forgiving type as long as they do what they were designed to do. And so far they have.
I might write more after a few more days of playing the game.
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I should add, i bought it on the xbox, as much as my pc CAN run it without hampered performance; it just feels nicer with a control pad and not worrying about config :D If a modding scene appears i'll buy the PC Version.
All hail the Enclave ;7
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It's actually a very good game, on it's own. Not a great game - it neuter's too much of the old game's mechanical depth, and the ending is cringeworthy, but a very good game nonetheless.
But they totally abuse the fallout setting to the point it's essentially an alternate universe.
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I have to agree with the bad end. Too abrubt, too forced and not enough consequences told as in previous FO's.
Not to mention that the whole Enclave bit was poorly done and made no sense. When I took the vial I assumed that the virus is supposed to get rid of all the horrific mutations (Super muties, Deathclaws, Centaurs and other)...it turns up it kill everyone, even normal humans (you).
I didn't use it the first time, but I had a save so I wanted to see what would happen...meh...
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For the love of God, use spoiler tags. :hopping:
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It's on my list.
I have more than a dozen friends who've all played the original Fallout games and are now playing Fallout 3. They have nothing but good things to say about all three games. In point of fact, Raven's attitude is the first negative thing I've heard about the game and he hasn't played it...
It's like the people who bashed DX2 without bothering to finish it. Was it anywhere near as good as the first one? No. Was it a good game in its own right? Actually, yes. It had significant flaws but if you bothered to take the time to get immersed in it it actually was a pretty decent game.
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Can we pl0x have no spoilers cause I is has it on mah list and I is begging for moneh to buy id.
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I'm enjoying it a lot. And this comes from someone who has played and enjoyed both Wasteland, Fallout and Fallout 2. Sure, it's a very different game from the previous Fallouts. It would have to be given the technological development since then and the hightened expectations that come with it. But it is an excellent game in its own right, and in my opinion one that is worthy of the name.
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OBLIVION WITH GUNS!
Really, playing this I can't help but seeing so much of the oblivion engine. (not necessarily a bad thing though)
Story was okay, though the real fun for me lies in just getting out into the waste and exploring. That and waiting for people to start making Mods for it.
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Yay!
I'm getting it end of next week. Yay!
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Hurry up and get here!!
(http://fallout3.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/carrier_m.jpg)
This way>> (Rivet City)
(http://fallout3.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/map1.jpg)
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I'll bet someone makes a mod for Oblivion that uses that landscape within two years. I'll also bet that they'll be sued by Bethesda before it is finished.
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Does the game world look anything like what it's supposed to represent? That might make it more fun for me. I used to live around that area and will recognize the locations.
It's like the people who bashed DX2 without bothering to finish it. Was it anywhere near as good as the first one? No. Was it a good game in its own right? Actually, yes. It had significant flaws but if you bothered to take the time to get immersed in it it actually was a pretty decent game.
Exactly. I have come to appreciate that game more and more as the years have gone by and I've played other FPSs to compare. Despite all its issues, it had a lot of good ideas that we haven't seen in any title since then.
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Very much so. All the important buildings are there - various museums, memorials, the Pentagon, White House, etc..
I heard you can even find Bethseda Office building in the game. I haven't found it myself yet, but the DC ruins are huge, with a LOT of rubble and buildings.
On of my favorite side-quests was Reylies Rangers.. It felt like I was playing aliens for a while...Butch(???) and Eugene...lol
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Check google maps for Bethseda, i've just come out of Tranquility lane :nod:
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Got it earlier today. Started playing at around 1pm and put the controller down when I realised it was 10:30 and I have a uni assignment due tomorrow.
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It's good isn't it :nod: my arguement is that Oblivion is just FAllout 3 without guns :cool: :p
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Well, after a week of more playing, I have to say that Fallout 3 is indeed a good game despite its obvious shortcomings. Let me list some of them:
- SPECIAL stats have less meaning than in previous Fallouts. You can get almost all perks with just having 6 in every stat, which is easy to achieve.
- There is no real benefit in maxing out one or few of your SPECIAL stats, your character is "average" no matter how you spend your stat points. The only noticeable difference is intelligence as it really does help in the early levels by giving you some extra skill points to spend.
- Skill points are capped to 100 which is not bad in itself, but it is too easy to get ALL skills way past 50 if you spend your time exploring and acquiring skill books and have comprehension perk. There are 25 skill books for each skill, meaning 50 free skill points if you have comprehension perk. Also, stat and skill bobbleheads can give you +1 to stats and +10 skills. That is +62 to skills, plus 15 points you start with you already have 77 points in every skill.
- By the game's end, characters are bound to end up being way too similar skill wise. The only way to make actual difference is to play a game through differently. Not because your character lacks necessary skills, but because you yourself want to play differently. This I believe will be quite an annoyance to role players. Well, you could also intentionally cripple your character by not picking up skill books or bobbleheads, dunno if you can start the game with unspent SPECIAL points.
Without skill books (especially with comprehension perk around) and bobbleheads you would actually have to spend your points more carefully. But as it is now, Fallout 3 has been dumbed down to suit casual (console) gamers. The game is definitely much easier on the RPG element than the old-school Fallouts. However, at the same time combat elements are also easier to experienced PC gamers. I don't know how difficult combat is on console pads, but it is definitely child's play on PC.
Still, even though F3 has been dumbed down as seems to be the trend on every modern sequel of classic games, F3 is still a good game and worth its price tag, at least when the price has dropped a bit. Anyway, F3 does not require you to type in serial key to install or play the game, it does not need the DVD to be in the drive while you play, it doesn't even seem to have any noticeable copy protection. This alone is a good reason to support the game and buy it. If for nothing else than to show example that games without copy protections can sell well.
I still have positive feeling about the game, despite the fact that its critical elements been dumbed down. The game is fun to play. But for how long, that I don't know.
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Until completion and all locations (a hundred+ if one of the achievements is to be believed :yes;)
have been discovered. I love enclave armour and plasma weapons.
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Fury, you're assuming everyone will find all books and boobleheads.
I completed the game and found only 2 boobleheads for example.
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boobleheads?
i'm out of the citadel and not found one yet, but i'm playing it on a time-budget, maybe two hours a night if i'm stringent with other duties.
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Still, even though F3 has been dumbed down as seems to be the trend on every modern sequel of classic games, F3 is still a good game and worth its price tag, at least when the price has dropped a bit. Anyway, F3 does not require you to type in serial key to install or play the game, it does not need the DVD to be in the drive while you play, it doesn't even seem to have any noticeable copy protection. This alone is a good reason to support the game and buy it. If for nothing else than to show example that games without copy protections can sell well.
It's known to have the standard, non-internet Securom. It would have been bashed for that a year ago, but the sad thing is that this is almost preferable in the current gaming climate, with increasingly more games moving to the limited activation variety. :p
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You actually completely bypass Securom on FO3 simply by not using autorun and instead running the setup file off the DVD yourself. I get the strong feeling that Bethesda wanted to ship it without any DRM at all but were forced into using Securom, and then simply made it impossibly easy to bypass instead. As such, FO3 is effectively DRM-free, given that all you have to do is hold down shift for 10 seconds after inserting the DVD and then run setup yourself.
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Interesting, if true, I have just avoided securom by not haveing autorun enabled in the first place.
Still it could be true that they just used it to labe the DVD "copy protected" and so make it illegal to copy it...since in some places its legal to copy non-copy-protected CDs/DVDs.
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Actually, come to think of it, it may be you also have to run the game's .exe directly instead of going through the launcher. Still, that hardly qualifies as an obstacle either. Anyway, I wouldn't have bought it if it forced a DRM on me, so the fact that it is so trivial to get around is just Bethesda's luck. If they like getting paid for their games, anyway.
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Actually, come to think of it, it may be you also have to run the game's .exe directly instead of going through the launcher. Still, that hardly qualifies as an obstacle either. Anyway, I wouldn't have bought it if it forced a DRM on me, so the fact that it is so trivial to get around is just Bethesda's luck. If they like getting paid for their games, anyway.
I think they're gauging piracy--if this goes well, who knows. We could have a manufacturer that does DRM-free and reaps the benefits. Anyways--I've had days of gameplay on F3. It's a good game.
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So they have put Securom in the DVD autorun program but nowhere else? That would be the first game I've seen like that. Just about every other Securom title embeds it in the game exe itself and not the installer.
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FO3 is a good game in its own right: perhaps the best implementation of an open, seamless world I've seen. I liked the rolling of old FO skills into the same ones to make each of them more balanced. I actually liked most of the changes they made to adapt SPECIAL to the Oblivion engine as well.
What I didn't like was the complete lack of content and arguably a worse main plot than Oblivion. They could have cut 90% of the characters out of the game, because most of them parroted each other with one of about 10 voices. For example Tenpenny Tower was filled with people, all of whom reacted the same way to your actions. Why? What's the ****ing point? They're just copy and paste characters with different voices and faces! Arghh!
If Bethesda had the balls to say **** it to the hours upon hours of repeated voiceovers they might have had time to put some interesting sidequests into the game. The only ones I really enjoyed were the android and the wasteland survival guide. In the end I got so frustrated with the sidequests I just gattling lasered my way to victory each and every time.
So no, FO3 isn't great, but it's still a lot of fun and it's only a shame Bethesda wasted an opportunity to make it truly memorable.
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What I didn't like was the complete lack of content and arguably a worse main plot than Oblivion. They could have cut 90% of the characters out of the game, because most of them parroted each other with one of about 10 voices. For example Tenpenny Tower was filled with people, all of whom reacted the same way to your actions. Why? What's the ****ing point? They're just copy and paste characters with different voices and faces! Arghh!
To create the illusion of life? More people around ya know? There's no other way to really do it. You can't create a city of thousands and have every single NPC be unique, with it's own conversations options and quests. It's just too much of a job.
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I am a veteran of the original Fallout series.
Now that I've finally played Fallout 3 I can say that the complains of the fans are malcontent. Some of the style from the previous Fallouts was hampered but its still very atmospheric. The only things that bother me are minor. Everything else is top-notch(up until now, I'm level 4)
I don't expect the fallout series could have been(realistically) continued any better. I was either a really good commercially successful(slightly consolified, but tastefully unlike Bioshock) game like Fallout 3 or the death of the series altogether. I've read some of the comments on No Mutants Allowed. Although I agree with them most aren't valid issues, if the people that state them played the game beyond the bias I believe they would have a blast.
There are several thing that IMHO improved over the third installment. Namely the combat system, which reminds me more of System Shock 2 and Deus Ex than of anything else. Oblivion notwithstanding. Which is a good thing. Say what you will about Fallout but the combat wasn't exactly dynamic or, I risk say "tactically" engaging as those titles.
The problem of radiation is something that Fallout 3 expands for the first time in the series. In the originals(probably on purpose as part of the general message) radiation wasn't truly present in a way to make you feel you have to cope with it. In the third installment its a very important aspect as you have to balance between healing wounds and irradiating yourself.
Well that my 2-cents now that I've got to run the game. Which i did on my absolutely ancient gaming rig. That also set me favorably to the game ;)
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I am a veteran of the original Fallout series.
Now that I've finally played Fallout 3 I can say that the complains of the fans are malcontent. Some of the style from the previous Fallouts was hampered but its still very atmospheric. The only things that bother me are minor. Everything else is top-notch(up until now, I'm level 4)
I don't expect the fallout series could have been(realistically) continued any better. I was either a really good commercially successful(slightly consolified, but tastefully unlike Bioshock) game like Fallout 3 or the death of the series altogether. I've read some of the comments on No Mutants Allowed. Although I agree with them most aren't valid issues, if the people that state them played the game beyond the bias I believe they would have a blast.
There are several thing that IMHO improved over the third installment. Namely the combat system, which reminds me more of System Shock 2 and Deus Ex than of anything else. Oblivion notwithstanding. Which is a good thing. Say what you will about Fallout but the combat wasn't exactly dynamic or, I risk say "tactically" engaging as those titles.
The problem of radiation is something that Fallout 3 expands for the first time in the series. In the originals(probably on purpose as part of the general message) radiation wasn't truly present in a way to make you feel you have to cope with it. In the third installment its a very important aspect as you have to balance between healing wounds and irradiating yourself.
Well that my 2-cents now that I've got to run the game. Which i did on my absolutely ancient gaming rig. That also set me favorably to the game ;)
Or irradiating yourself to heal your wounds. If you do the Wasteland Survival Guide's radiation portion, get 600 rads and then talk to Moira. You'll have Rad Regen, which is IMMENSELY useful. Become a liquor addict (beer is cheap) and you get a nearly-constant strength boost. When you can as well, get Power Armor or Combat Armor or Rangers Armor, and enjoy dosing up on a lot of rads and eating anything you want. There are disadvantages, but rad'ing up like that means all you need is a source of food or water and you can survive just about anything. All your limbs will regenerate when damaged--not just when crippled. Only do the required dosage of rads to have this effect (400 I think), and stay under the even more serious doses or you'll lose strength. Rads + booze + (irradiated) water = fun. And RadAway costs less than StimPaks, so you still use less aide that way.
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I finished it . . . Well worth it. So. . .much. . . I . .need. . .to . . . spoil. But i won't. I'm gonna go back to an earlier save and claim the whole map.
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IMHO, steampacks are too readily found, and drinking irradiated water or eating irradiated food brought you very little rads.
I never had any trouble with radiation, and I wasn't even trying to avoid it.
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Railgun wins ^_^
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I picked up Fallout 1 from GoG the other day and gave it a play through. Wasn't overwhelming, but it was okay. Starting Fallout2 (again from GoG). Thing I don't understand is that they go for this 50-60s style of artwork and presentation but the nuclear war is supposed to have happened like 2080 or something. Doesn't really make sense imo. If you want a 60s style artwork then have the war take place in the 50-60s, just put some super science alternate reality spin to explain the vaults, superweapons and so on.
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50's culture stabilised due to the "tangent" timeline outlined in the Fallout 3 manual. Tech increased, but it stayed true to the 50's mould, much like Flash Gordon etc...
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50's culture stabilised due to the "tangent" timeline outlined in the Fallout 3 manual. Tech increased, but it stayed true to the 50's mould, much like Flash Gordon etc...
Sounds like a made-up excuse to me. Especially if it only ever hit the books in F3. I have some "fallout" bible from Gog, but as it talks about F2 I haven't read it yet. Even if culture stablised (stagnated) why would the technology in the cutscenes not be on par with the weaponry? Old style radios and televisions, black and white even. The world has plasma guns but no colour TV? :doubt: Bring those guns into the past and saying there were weapon advances or whatnot makes sense, having the weapons develop at today's standards while completely limiting civilian technology seems off to me.
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If it ain't broke don't fix it :)
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The divergence in technology between our universe and the fallout universe happened somewhere in the 40s or 50s IIRC. I believe the microchip was never invented. The other point of it, which has always been the core of Fallout is that yes it's the future, but it's the future as they thought it would be in the 40s and 50s, not the actual future. Just in the same way that modern games set in the future probably will be nothing like the real future, so is fallout's future nothing like the real future.
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I was about to say something about that. In pop sci-fi of the day, plasma weapons, laser weapons, &c were all common. It seems they developed new tech but not improved old tech. Just take a look at Megaton: it's clearly a WW2 style atom bomb, and the limited blast in the crater leveled the town and didn't do much more.
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Also science itself is different in Fallout. In real life, radiation most often gives you cancer and kills you. In 50s sci-fi radiation mutated you and sometimes gave you super powers. Hence, in fallout, Radiation acts the way they thought it would.
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Also science itself is different in Fallout. In real life, radiation most often gives you cancer and kills you. In 50s sci-fi radiation mutated you and sometimes gave you super powers. Hence, in fallout, Radiation acts the way they thought it would.
Well in the 40s and 50s they probably thought they'd be fighting Russia too, not China.
I mean I liked the artwork and the style, it was fresh and original, but then they start to throw down numbers like 2080 or whatever and it seemed a bit odd to me. I haven't really played any RPGs since some old Genesis ones, unless you count Twinsen's Adventure, but Fallout was fairly decent.
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Radiation doesn't give you super powers in Fallout well, maybe only with one of the humorous perks. All the mutations you see are created by... something else. Play the originals to see. :p
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A vault with k certain number :yes: and FEV, they'sex both prominent in FO3 too.
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Radiation doesn't give you super powers in Fallout well, maybe only with one of the humorous perks. All the mutations you see are created by... something else. Play the originals to see. :p
What about Necropolis
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What about Necropolis
IIRC according to the Fallout Bible Ghouls are caused by the atmospheric weaker-version FEV virus sent to flight by the destruction of a research base(the Glow in FO1) When a host becomes irradiated FEV makes him a Ghoul to "save" him. The vault of Necropolis door didn't close and thus exposed the Ghouls to the virus. But that might be fanon I'm not sure if it was positively in the FOBible. In FO1 Harold's ghoulification after leaving Mariposa Military Base also seems to link Ghouls with FEV and that is definitely canon.
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Also science itself is different in Fallout. In real life, radiation most often gives you cancer and kills you. In 50s sci-fi radiation mutated you and sometimes gave you super powers. Hence, in fallout, Radiation acts the way they thought it would.
They do mention a cancer center at Germantown. They have a terminal with logs of ground zero--Washington got the sh*t bombed out of it, and you learn that by talking to a formerly-human ghoul in Underground. They had people trying to pick up the mess in more-rural areas where looting and violence would not be so common and the firestorm would be less likely to devastate. They had teams of what seem to be nurses "camping out" in front of the Germantown police HQ, and trying to treat survivors. It's obvious that they were more concerned about fallout and radiation sickness than they were about cancer.
Anyways--the anti-FEV virus they want used on the Purifier will kill nearly everyone: meaning that nearly everyone is infected with a strain of FEV. That's good and bad--good that the super-mutants are gone, bad that everyone else who may have been exposed dies as well. Anyways... in F3, most ghouls are such only because of radiation.
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Whether ghouls are radiation or radiation+other isn't actually answered in the FO Bible. Taylor and Cain give different responses.
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Whether ghouls are radiation or radiation+other isn't actually answered in the FO Bible. Taylor and Cain give different responses.
And whoever said FEV+Radiation was persuaded to say just radiation for F3. :P Anyways--ghouls are definitely different. I found the dialogue with the ghoul in the Underground hotel very interesting.
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Well having just played FO1 I don't recall hearing anything about FEV affecting Necropolis.
FEV makes people big and strong while at the same time very dumb (at least some of them), the Ghouls weren't particularly strong. Though they were of course stupid in many cases. The game at times I found a little buggy as well, like the Necros got wiped out without me ever attacking the mutants at the watershed. If it was just a case of mutant invasion because I took so damn long the refugee should have had alternate dialogue
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Well in the 40s and 50s they probably thought they'd be fighting Russia too, not China.
The Chinese started to invade the Aleutian Islands in WWII. Why it's exclusively China in FO3 I don't know, maybe it has something to do with us bombing the living daylights out of Russia and only having China to fight...
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Well in the 40s and 50s they probably thought they'd be fighting Russia too, not China.
The Chinese started to invade the Aleutian Islands in WWII. Why it's exclusively China in FO3 I don't know, maybe it has something to do with us bombing the living daylights out of Russia and only having China to fight...
Remember, it's set in the future, so that probably explains it. By 2077, the Soviets had probably gone the way of the Dodo long before, just like our world, leaving communist China as the primary opponent of the US, again similar to our world. Or maybe the Soviets never existed, explaining the slower progression of atomic technology, what with atomic Fat Man still being a dominant design 150 years later with seemingly no development towards thermonuclear weapons.
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The Fallout timeline only loosely ties with ours. I stopped trying to count the differences between Fallout and our world and explain them the moment I saw a '55 Bel Air parked around a Vault. Crazy world.
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Well in the 40s and 50s they probably thought they'd be fighting Russia too, not China.
The Chinese started to invade the Aleutian Islands in WWII. Why it's exclusively China in FO3 I don't know, maybe it has something to do with us bombing the living daylights out of Russia and only having China to fight...
Remember, it's set in the future, so that probably explains it. By 2077, the Soviets had probably gone the way of the Dodo long before, just like our world, leaving communist China as the primary opponent of the US, again similar to our world. Or maybe the Soviets never existed, explaining the slower progression of atomic technology, what with atomic Fat Man still being a dominant design 150 years later with seemingly no development towards thermonuclear weapons.
In Fort Constantine (F3), there is a massive stockpile of nukes. 22 of them--all of the Fat Man design, like the Megaton in, well, Megaton. There's also a launch bunker in Fort Constantine, but I think I fudged up launching. :P Which says that some of the ideas of Van Buren seem to be recycled, or at least incorporated if you're willing to travel by foot East from Raven Rock. Anyways--I'd say China was the only viable threat, especially as Russia has been in poor shape for a good long time now. :lol: Japan was effectively ours, China was causing problems. Remember that many Western governments had bankrupted. Other then that--it makes reference to the Red Scares and even Japanese internment--IMO. Who else has found the Chinese infiltrator? I found one in a one-man blast shelter down by the Citadel.
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I found bethesda, it's north of farragut west station. I'm just roaming now. I'm all pallied up with Jericho and the enclave won't touch me. . . .which is a shame because i want to join :( (i've finished the game already before i get comments)
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Well in the 40s and 50s they probably thought they'd be fighting Russia too, not China.
The Chinese started to invade the Aleutian Islands in WWII. Why it's exclusively China in FO3 I don't know, maybe it has something to do with us bombing the living daylights out of Russia and only having China to fight...
BTW: it was the Japanese that were invading the Aleutian Islands in WW2. I forgot to correct you on that last post.
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Well in the 40s and 50s they probably thought they'd be fighting Russia too, not China.
The Chinese started to invade the Aleutian Islands in WWII. Why it's exclusively China in FO3 I don't know, maybe it has something to do with us bombing the living daylights out of Russia and only having China to fight...
BTW: it was the Japanese that were invading the Aleutian Islands in WW2. I forgot to correct you on that last post.
All the Chinese were doing during WW2 was getting killed (aside from resisting the Japanese of course). They have more civilian deaths than even Russia if I remember correctly. And furthermore the war in the Pacific (minus America) started in '36 or something, not 39 (it predates WW2). Though that whole conflict is very seldom given any consideration in history it seems. The only thing I've seen is some John Wayne movie called the Flying Tigers which I think was some american volunteer squadron based in China.
I don't think China became much of a western threat until the Soviets collapsed. As they were technically an ally during WW2, last shown in (hahaha) Pearl Harbour where the Mitchells or whatnot bombing Tokyo tried to make it for the Chinese lines.
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I don't think China became much of a western threat until the Soviets collapsed. As they were technically an ally during WW2, last shown in (hahaha) Pearl Harbour where the Mitchells or whatnot bombing Tokyo tried to make it for the Chinese lines.
Yeah, I don't think so. There were a threat going way back to the 50's, maybe even before that. The US saw a large, communistic nation with rapidly growing population and strength. When they got their nuclear club membership card in '64 and caught the thermonuclear craze a few years later, they were officially a major freaking threat. So, yeah, to say they only became a threat to the West when the Soviets tanked... well, the best you can say is that they moved up the threat-list in '89, but they were always right up there.
Anyway, had to give up playing Fallout 3 at the moment. Lent my 360 to my brother so I can force myself to finish off my final uni assignment (ever!) and study for my final exams next week. It's just such a damn good game, and i've barely scratched the surface, man I want to play it. I've got that goddamned Vault-tec bobble-head sitting next to my monitor now. Mocking me. Bastard.
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I don't think China became much of a western threat until the Soviets collapsed. As they were technically an ally during WW2, last shown in (hahaha) Pearl Harbour where the Mitchells or whatnot bombing Tokyo tried to make it for the Chinese lines.
There was the minor matter of the Korean War.
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I don't think China became much of a western threat until the Soviets collapsed. As they were technically an ally during WW2, last shown in (hahaha) Pearl Harbour where the Mitchells or whatnot bombing Tokyo tried to make it for the Chinese lines.
There was the minor matter of the Korean War.
Someone misquoted, methinks. I'll let you figure out whom.
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I don't think China became much of a western threat until the Soviets collapsed. As they were technically an ally during WW2, last shown in (hahaha) Pearl Harbour where the Mitchells or whatnot bombing Tokyo tried to make it for the Chinese lines.
There was the minor matter of the Korean War.
That's debatable. The Chinese were relying on soviet air power at the time were they not? They weren't the nuclear, global threat like Russia was. From a 1950's perspective, China might be looked at as an up and comer but Russia was the primary threat I would think. And I don't know if there were any indications at the time to suggest that the future would hold something different.
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I don't think China became much of a western threat until the Soviets collapsed. As they were technically an ally during WW2, last shown in (hahaha) Pearl Harbour where the Mitchells or whatnot bombing Tokyo tried to make it for the Chinese lines.
There was the minor matter of the Korean War.
Someone misquoted, methinks. I'll let you figure out whom.
Yep, sorry, my mistake. I'll fix the original.
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Yep, sorry, my mistake. I'll fix the original.
Thanks. :)
Yep, definitely don't want my fingerprints on that trainwreck of an assertion.
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ANyhoo............... :nervous:
How're people finding the GAME?
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Aw crap, I lost the game!
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Pretty good game. Very much like TES4 only with guns, but that makes sense since it is on the same engine.
If I have a complaint, it's that 1: The main story quest is really short, and 2: Holy freaking bugs batman. The game is amazing, but it's quite possibly the most unstable piece of software I've installed in a very long time (14 memory leaks?? Come on...). And Bethesda definetly used more than a simple disk check for DRM (run X-Fi codecs, and play Fallout, and you'll get some unhappy).
But, despite the bugs, the game is very well done. I absolutly love the way bethesda created the atmosphere in places like Vault 106 and Vault 87. I think they toned it down a bit too much from Fallout 1 and 2, but hey it's still a fun and entertaining game.
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Yeah the main quest is only five or six main "quests" but the whole atmos is amazing. I like vault 87 :nod: but stay the hell away from the south west corner........ :shaking:
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I like it a lot.....after the CTDs, the BSoDs and the freezes. It's almost the same game engine as what Oblivion uses, just a few additions to make it look better, but what ever they did badly broke it. I run Oblivion perfectly (odd once in a blue moon freeze after alt tabbing) on the same hardware as Fallout 3.
Granted, my rig is not the most powerful, but as it gets over min specs, I believe I deserve a working game.
I'll have to wait the year for a patch, because they haven't released one (don't point to the thing they have on their forums, that's a fix for a MS live problem, it is *not* a patch in my eyes.)
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Guess I'm lucky that I haven't encountered a single freeze yet and I've been playing over two weeks now. The game has crashed sometimes after fast traveling to another location, which is a known bug. But aside of that, I've encountered only a few very minor bugs. However, if memory leaks have anything to do with the amount of crashes and freezes the game has, I guess 8GB of RAM has something to do with me having none aside of the fast travel bug. :D
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Guess I'm lucky that I haven't encountered a single freeze yet and I've been playing over two weeks now. The game has crashed sometimes after fast traveling to another location, which is a known bug. But aside of that, I've encountered only a few very minor bugs. However, if memory leaks have anything to do with the amount of crashes and freezes the game has, I guess 8GB of RAM has something to do with me having none aside of the fast travel bug. :D
Yea, the mem leaks are a problem. They're over 100mb/sec in some areas, though most of them are in the 10mb/s range. It has another problem with vid cards with more than 512mb of RAM -it doesn't properly dump the cash, meaning that eventually it runs out of video ram and produces either a CTD or poor performance. My buddy running a GTX 260 with 896 (or whatever) RAM was having severe FPS issues, whereas my 9800 512 was running it without issue.
It's sad that such a great game is full of so many bugs (KOTOR2 comes to mind). But, on the other hand, I suppose the mark of a good game is one that frustrates you and yet keeps getting played!
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It actually hung twixce on my 360 :eek:
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It run smoothly on my utterly crap PC: 3,2 GHz Pentium 4 Radeon X800 1Gb RAM (less that minimum requirements) with low settings. So far I've experienced only one crash while changing maps. This leads me to believe that the stability issues you are talking about can't have been hardware related.
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The game itself, ultimately, is Oblivion with guns, minus most of the level scaling and minus the Elder Scrolls wonky leveling system.
It's not a bad game. It's not a great game. It succeeds where Oblivion succeeds and fails where Oblivion fails. At the end of the day, it's really just a more polished Oblivion.
Hopefully they actually do come along with a construction set, and the fandom can take it from a good game to a genuinely great one.
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We'll totally ignore the V.A.T.S. combat system here, phatosealpha... :rolleyes:
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I like it. . .
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As I have not played the origianl FO games, much to my chagrin, I cannot compare Fallout 3 to them. However, despite its flaws, Fallout 3 is a good game with a mediocre storyline and lots and lots of side-quests typical of RPGs. The main problem is the
terrible Downer Ending.
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I know what you mean,
that's why i loaded my save after i escqaped Raven Rock and am now clearing the entire map of all enemies, friends and Brahmin :yes: I intend to fully max out every stat. PS I love the Tranquilty lane sequence.
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We'll totally ignore the V.A.T.S. combat system here, phatosealpha... :rolleyes:
VATS is fundamentally a fancy invincibility/bullet time special power on top of Oblivion combat, not a mechanical change. Since you already have at least some autoaim in real time mode (I discovered this when I used laser weapons for a while), it's more a superpower then anything else. The underlying mechanics that VATS run on.....are Oblivion's.
And the ending wasn't a downer, it was a flat out insult to the player's intelligence. Thank you Bethesda, for giving me a radiation immune ally 5 minutes before forcing me to a radiation death. Your plan to set out a noble sacrifice has failed, and instead you've forced me into a stupid death. And worse, you guys realized exactly that I was going to do that, then had the gaul to have the NPC in question refuse with some dip**** quote about destiny. Literal Translation - Sorry pal, we're going for a Jesus story here, which means you have to die, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.
But hey, you didn't notice when we started a war between two groups over who would turn on a water purifier first, or when the enemy colonel, despite being radiation dead, came back to life and rebelled against the computer, cause he certainly didn't want to kill humanity, he just wanted to turn on the water purifier, and he was willing to kill other people who wanted to turn on the water purifier to do it.........wait, what?
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And the ending wasn't a downer, it was a flat out insult to the player's intelligence. Thank you Bethesda, for giving me a radiation immune ally 5 minutes before forcing me to a radiation death. Your plan to set out a noble sacrifice has failed, and instead you've forced me into a stupid death. And worse, you guys realized exactly that I was going to do that, then had the gaul to have the NPC in question refuse with some dip**** quote about destiny. Literal Translation - Sorry pal, we're going for a Jesus story here, which means you have to die, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.
But hey, you didn't notice when we started a war between two groups over who would turn on a water purifier first, or when the enemy colonel, despite being radiation dead, came back to life and rebelled against the computer, cause he certainly didn't want to kill humanity, he just wanted to turn on the water purifier, and he was willing to kill other people who wanted to turn on the water purifier to do it.........wait, what?
That is quite apt :lol:
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And the ending wasn't a downer, it was a flat out insult to the player's intelligence. Thank you Bethesda, for giving me a radiation immune ally 5 minutes before forcing me to a radiation death. Your plan to set out a noble sacrifice has failed, and instead you've forced me into a stupid death. And worse, you guys realized exactly that I was going to do that, then had the gaul to have the NPC in question refuse with some dip**** quote about destiny. Literal Translation - Sorry pal, we're going for a Jesus story here, which means you have to die, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.
But hey, you didn't notice when we started a war between two groups over who would turn on a water purifier first, or when the enemy colonel, despite being radiation dead, came back to life and rebelled against the computer, cause he certainly didn't want to kill humanity, he just wanted to turn on the water purifier, and he was willing to kill other people who wanted to turn on the water purifier to do it.........wait, what?
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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The ending was seriously weak. And with the doors--you're only HEAVILY irradiated for a few moments. Punch in 2-1-6 and enter and you should be able to take the whole 5 steps back into the airlock and *ta da* you're safe with Sarah "Sentinel" Lyons. Then the other thing--one time I played through, my RADIATION IMMUNE FOLLOWER stepped in there too! He was in the room with me, and he still refused to do it for me while I stay safe. And then the OTHER thing--I had Dogmeat there on one play-through, and I can say basically say "I guess this is the end. Bye bye, puppy." even though it's Lyons who's turning it on! Eee-gad!
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About Fawkes
I can see he has been mentioned several times, but yet nobody has tackled the obvious issues with him.
The damn mutie is unstoppable. He has so much hitpoints and so much firepower than he is pretty much one-man army, even beating the player himself thanks to unlimited ammo in his gatling laser and almost instant healing if he exists combat even for a moment.
Fawkes even single handedly beat a behemoth all by himself while I was standing a good distance away my jaw on ground. Then he has the nerve to shout "Next time put up a fight!" or "Too easy!" :wtf:
Normally I would be pissed off because of his tendencies to run at enemies guns blazing. But he can actually handle it. Actually I haven't been in a fight yet that Fawkes couldn't handle by himself. But I suppose he could only lose if he gets stuck somehow being unable to fire at his target. :rolleyes: (It has happened)
The "next best" companion for good aligned player is Cross, she got herself beaten to death by a giant radscorpion. :doubt: Talk about useless. Her laser pistol is way too weak and melee just tends to get you killed faster.
I'm only keeping Fawkes around because I want to explore the remaining places fast before finishing the main quest. He really does take away all challenge in the game. That and he is useful for carrying around my big guns. :p
And about weapons...
Also, I love plasma rifle. To me it is utterly useless in real-time combat because of its projectile velocity (SLOW!) but in VATS it is awesome. Even without crits I can often one-shot enclavies with the rifle. Chinese Assault Rifle and Combat Shotgun are good guns, retaining their value throughout the game all the way to the end.
Has anyone actually found any reason to put skill points to big guns? Unfortunately I put "extra" skill points into big guns and got the size matters perk three times only to realize that I haven't ever needed big guns. I've tested them but they're still worthless most of the time. Plus they weight so much that it is a pain to carry them around "just in case", which is why I never had them with me. Now I have Fawkes who is like invulnerable walking laser gatling turret.
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That's the same reason i DON'T use him. To be honest i paid out hard earned cash. I want my moneys worth from this game. Besides Jericho has more entertaining comments.
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Fawkes is stupidly overpowered, yes, but the thing is, when I got him the first, there was nothing left but a bunch of supermutants I could two shot with ol' painless so it didn't matter much. And the second time he joined, 95% of the fightining was done by the giant robot. Even I had trouble finding things to actually kill with LP around, and I can stop time. Not much use to be superpowerful when there is nothing left to kill.
Big guns are useful for 1 reason alone. The flamer. If you take that and the pyromaniac perk, it becomes a roomcleaner. And really, pyro is a very nice perk. 50% extra damage is never something to sneer at, and it covers at least 3 different weapon type - melee, heavy, and energy (the special alien blaster).
Plus, splash damage doesn't tend to disrupt sneak like direct does, so you can be a rocket ninja. Yehaw.
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I agree about Fawks. Ever since he joined my little ground my leveling has slowed to a crawl... he just kills guys before I can even get close to them. I've seen him take on a pair of deathclaws and win. Definitely an overpowered companion.
Dogmeat on the other hand I love having around :D
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Out of curiosity, anybody got to that ending sequence with Charon or the Robot as your ally? If so, what pathetic excuse do they come up with for not saving your poor, about to be fried behind?
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Interesting. I've not had the robot, but what about Butch and some others? I'm sure they could tag along.
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LP? Or a different bot?
I killed that nutty president one who had the declaration of independence :nervous:
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Liberty Prime
The badass robot at the very end of the game.
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Out of curiosity, anybody got to that ending sequence with Charon or the Robot as your ally? If so, what pathetic excuse do they come up with for not saving your poor, about to be fried behind?
Interesting. I've not had the robot, but what about Butch and some others? I'm sure they could tag along.
LP? Or a different bot?
I know the one, spoiler: he craps car sized nukes, i just wondered which robot you get to follow you about :D
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No, no, not that robot. He can't go inside with you. This is the companion robot, a Mr. Gutsy you can buy off a traveling junk dealer if you've got neutral karma.
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There are a whole load of companions. I'm tempted to just f**k around with the storyline. You know the Dec of Ind quest? Grab the girl from that as your follower. The Big Trouble in Big Town quest? Free and equip the 2 captured people. That'll give you three additional followers. Any other quest you get a (temporary) follower in would be fair game as well, of course. All them, plus whoever else you have as a normal companion and Dogmeat of course, and bring them ALL to the control room at the end of the game. That'd be an interesting scenario: and of course Bethesda would forget to program all followers (I'm guessing). Anyways--I still have to do negative-karma and neutral-karma play-throughs.
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Yep i was negative from the start, from Birth in fact when i opened the gate and tried to run past dad into the big wide vault..... :lol:
Also i shot a dog :(
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Yep i was negative from the start, from Birth in fact when i opened the gate and tried to run past dad into the big wide vault..... :lol:
Also i shot a dog :(
I found the Animal Friend perk very useful: less ammo used on Yao Guai.
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Yahtzee gently tears Fallout 3 a new one (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/420-Fallout-3).
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That was actually a fairly positive review by Yahtzee standards :p
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I thought the same thing. I haven't played the game yet but was expecting to see a lot more bashing from him, going by what people have been saying on forums.
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I thought the same thing. I haven't played the game yet but was expecting to see a lot more bashing from him, going by what people have been saying on forums.
He hated Oblivion. I think he'll hate Fallout 3 a lot more when he completes the main quest.
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I'd like the game a teeny bit more if there were a few more randomly spawned enemies in the great big-wide wasteland... It gets boring once you've cleared EVERYTHING...... :(
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I'd like the game a teeny bit more if there were a few more randomly spawned enemies in the great big-wide wasteland... It gets boring once you've cleared EVERYTHING...... :(
I agree. I cleared the mall 95% of the way, so now there's no super-mutants to kill. I've taken to wandering the wastes and killing all the Enclave and Raiders and Deathclaws I can. Other then that, check out andale... the place is class AAA+++ weird.
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I cleared Andale before i caught up with Dad....
Stupid pesky surviving children.... It's an 18, i should be able to smite them.
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I found Dogmeat :D but he died in Minefield :shaking:
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I found Dogmeat :D but he died in Minefield :shaking:
I made him invincible so he only gets knocked out in combat
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I found Dogmeat :D but he died in Minefield :shaking:
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resurrect 0006a772
disable 0006a772
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moveto player
Anyways--that should fix him. I think you have to wait 24h though--so he returns to "routine".
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On X-Box unfortunately.....
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On X-Box unfortunately.....
Oooohhh ouch. Reload before you encounter Dogmeat, and carry a sniper rifle?
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I left him at my house in Megaton. There he got nice people to take care of him in case I kick the bucket.
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I just found a piece of the classic T-51b Power Armor! The same kind you got to use in Fallout 1. It looks sexey compared to the new garbage can armor thats why I think I'll use it now instead although oddly it gives no strength bonus.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w9/GutterRunner_2007/T-51b.jpg)
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Where did you find it?
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I found it in:
Fort Constantine, you will need the keys you get from ghoul-haters enlisted to be assassinated by a Mr. Crowney in Underworld. I gave him the keys for the reward but stole them back when he told me they open something. I speeched him to tell me where the location is too. The Armor was encased in a force shield in the lower levels.
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I found it in:
Fort Constantine, you will need the keys you get from ghoul-haters enlisted to be assassinated by a Mr. Crowney in Underworld. I gave him the keys for the reward but stole them back when he told me they open something. I speeched him to tell me where the location is too. The Armor was encased in a force shield in the lower levels.
There is helmet and body in that forcefield. Most people forget that. Anyways--throw it on your follower. Charon with the T-51b is very powerful, as the armor won't degrade. He'll take advantage of the armor's lack of endurance negative. You should not wear it, since it only gets weaker. For you, use whatever best suits you. Tesla armor boosts energy weapons but is rarer, Enclave regular armor is +1 STR and -1 END which is better protection and still decent small-weapons. BoS is +2 STR and -2 END, which is best for big guns. If you sneak or whatever, keep your recon armor body and shady hat and 90 sneak (spend the extra skill points on your primary weapon style and have your follower try to flank).
Anyways--I'd say have Dogmeat available but if you're doing a mission, send him to V101 or keep him in Megaton. He can get in the way and attacks quickly, while telling a follower to simply stop can let you go alone and complete your objectives. Even if your follower is spotted when, say, sandmaning, you are still invisible. Or leave them outside or whatever.
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Some info on Operation Anchorage http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/937/937202p1.html
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Some info on Operation Anchorage http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/937/937202p1.html
Interesting. It seems Bethesda's finally wizened up an realized what a kick in the balls the ending was:
IGN: Not to spoil the end of Fallout 3, but extending the story in the Broken Steel download might be a bit tricky. Will the main character still continue through for that storyline? Will he or she be usable in the other downloads?
Gardiner: Based on a lot of feedback, we're going to allow the player to continue on after the main quest ends in the Broken Steel DLC. While a lot of details still have to be sorted, this will allow the player to continue on and play in the Wasteland enjoying the side and freeform quests, along with any new downloadable content we have planned in the future.
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Literal Translation:
Hahahaha you morons! You bought the game, but the real ending costs extra!
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I could use some help. I just started the game, stumbled into Megaton, got my first side quest (first part of the Wilderness Survival Guide chain), and frankly I'm bored witless.
What can I do to get into the game? STALKER this ain't.
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I could use some help. I just started the game, stumbled into Megaton, got my first side quest (first part of the Wilderness Survival Guide chain), and frankly I'm bored witless.
What can I do to get into the game? STALKER this ain't.
Anything you want. Explore, fight, kill, quest.
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The game mechanics themselves, unfortunately, seem pretty uninteresting. And the engine's handling of animation is...um, the less said the better.
Pretty irrelevant at this point, since Fallout has started crashing my computer left and right. I'm gonna put it away for now.
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The game mechanics themselves, unfortunately, seem pretty uninteresting. And the engine's handling of animation is...um, the less said the better.
Pretty irrelevant at this point, since Fallout has started crashing my computer left and right. I'm gonna put it away for now.
Try the latest graphics drivers. Since I got Cat8.12, F3 issues are all resolved with my HD3850.
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Good idea.
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Op Anchorage Trailer
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14317864/fallout-3-operation-anchorage/videos/fallout3_anchorage_012709.html
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Ok now I'm seriously pissed. There is no reason what-so-ever that I should have to buy add-ons for an incomplete game. I already bought the damn game for $50 on launch day and I've waited for months for compatibility to be addressed. So now why the hell should I pay again?
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Because said content was created after the game went gold and those developers need to be paid. They did not advert anywhere that future content would be free of charge.
Never had problems with F3 so I'm content. Although I didn't finish it as I lost my interest soon after I got Fawkes, and didn't bother to finish the last plot quest. I'm not going to buy this addon however, but I might buy the upcoming expansion which picks off where F3 ended.
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To me it's stupid. You can tell their assets were used in designing the world, but the storyline was bullocks. As so many people pointed out, you could fly jumbo jets through the holes in the plot. To me, that means incomplete game. Holding it off for a while would NOT have killed them, especially as they could have fixed bugs with current-generation hardware AND done the plot properly.
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They pulled the same thing with Oblivion. :/
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Just played through the Operation: Anchorage DLC. It's pretty good! Really love the look of pre-nuked tech, and it's a nice change from the regular game.
The main thing some people might have a problem with is the fact that it's no longer a free-roaming RPG-FPS. As the meat of the DLC is presented as a simulation, it essentially turns Fallout 3 into as pure an FPS as is possible. Very linear. Quite arcade-y. The use of V.A.T.S. is no longer a necessity (and I found myself using it less and less as the simulation progressed), and all bodies dissolve upon death. You're given a strict mission from the get-go, and the paths to your objectives are clear-cut and with no variation.
That's not to say it's bad. It takes a lot out, but it's still a lot of fun. While you're stuck with a limited range of military-issue weapons, the ability to requisition a team of helpers ranging from simple infantry to Sentrybots more than makes up for the lack of weapons. The presence of a lot of scripting in a lot of places also helps give the impression that you're part of the actual counterattack. When mounting the final strike on the Chinese HQ, you see Verti-birds land around you and unload squads of T-21b infantrymen, airstrikes destroying Chinese autoturrets, and so much more. Seeing this event really adds some flavor to the Fallout universe.
Ultimately, it's only a simulation and therefore has no greater bearing on the greater world of Fallout 3, but it does net you a sizable reward in military tech. Just don't be greedy.
It only costs some 800 points, which is steep but isn't too bad in my book.
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my little brother picked it up[ the other day, and i think it is OKO, not great, seems to me like 'just' a mod for elder scrolls, espicially the crappy flashlight (white torch), and i have had framerate issues with it ont he 360, which makes it seem incomplete.
kind of like CoD:WaW
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Look, if you're gonna get pissy about how content should've been included instead of paid downloadable, you should really be waiting for broken steel.
That's the one where they're going to sell you the ending that doesn't suck, after all.
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I started playing FO3 last night and have been doing some of the Megaton area quests. The intro sequence with you growing up was quite creative and well done. The open-ended feel of the game is great, and the story and atmosphere have been quite immersive so far. On the other hand, I don't like the random, chance-based gameplay mechanics present in a lot of things. I don't know if this is common in RPGs or what, but it's annoying. The actual combat has been pretty easy, and VATS often makes things even easier.
The game is definitely full of bugs. I already had three or four crashes, one of which required a reboot since it kept stealing the focus. The NPCs behave oddly, frequently bumping into and pushing each other around, and talking over each other constantly. There was also a huge bug where you couldn't get out of the pip-boy if you remapped the key for it, although this was fixed in the most recent patch.
Also, this game has a Doom 3-esque microstuttering graphics engine that is intolerable at anything below 60fps. There is a config file option to fix it, which is pretty much essential. It messes up the lipsyncing and you have to keep the framerate above 30 or the game speed changes, but it's much better than the alternative.
Is there any place where can you sell stuff, by the way? I picked up anything that seemed to have a good value/weight ratio, so I'm carrying a fair amount of stuff now.
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In the Megaton area there's the Craterside Supply store (only open during the day) and the caravans that sometimes hang around out front.
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I could pick this game up on the PC but would like to play it on my PS3. It's just a shame that the PS3 version isn't getting an love in the downloadable content area of FO3. I will buy this game once I find out that they are supplying DLC for it on the PS3. I have to give them some props they did release a trophy patch for the PS3 version.
Is that new expansion that is coming going to be available on PS3? And wonder if it would have all the fixes and DLC inbetween ?
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I could pick this game up on the PC but would like to play it on my PS3. It's just a shame that the PS3 version isn't getting an love in the downloadable content area of FO3. I will buy this game once I find out that they are supplying DLC for it on the PS3. I have to give them some props they did release a trophy patch for the PS3 version.
Is that new expansion that is coming going to be available on PS3? And wonder if it would have all the fixes and DLC inbetween ?
Seriously, get it on PC. The quality is a thousand times better.
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I could pick this game up on the PC but would like to play it on my PS3. It's just a shame that the PS3 version isn't getting an love in the downloadable content area of FO3. I will buy this game once I find out that they are supplying DLC for it on the PS3. I have to give them some props they did release a trophy patch for the PS3 version.
Is that new expansion that is coming going to be available on PS3? And wonder if it would have all the fixes and DLC inbetween ?
Seriously, get it on PC. The quality is a thousand times better.
Not to mention the user-created content, which is usually (yet sadly) better than the original content.
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I picked it up for the 360. On one hand i think it's a bit more stable on the console; the one bug I have encountered involved me shooting a Deathclaw with the Blackhawk and it promptly launching heavenward; on the other hand the downloads and mods are much easier for the PC
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Ultimately, it's only a simulation and therefore has no greater bearing on the greater world of Fallout 3, but it does net you a sizable reward in military tech. Just don't be greedy.
I think I scavenged everything within the armory: Winterized T-51b, Chinese Stealth Armor, Sword, Gauss Rifle, and ammo. I also got 3 outcast power armor suits and a laser chaingun after the outcasts turned on me. Took me a few trips to drop everything off back at Megaton.
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i found fallout 3 somewhat insulting, especially when your father starts calling you sweetheart if you play as a girl. i found that very weird indeed.
the game is boring, the travelling from point a to point b, hardly any action involved with the exception to the odd fight with raiders and the mutated beast. i find this game ultimatly self-defeating, whats the point in creating a game where your character is deliberatly killed by radiation
. at least system shock 2 has some meaningful action and an ending to which i am still curious about, did the hacker survive with shodan aboard the escape pod?
the main weapon i used was the chinese machine gun and the occasional chaingun later on. the armour i used was the vault 101 security armour then telsa power armour and then the best power armour from the brotherhood of steel at the end.
Some people haven't played it, remember, don't ruin the plot-line please
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The hacker wasn't aboard SHODAN on that escape pod. The guy was a side character you'd been hearing from in audiologs throughout the game.
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The hacker wasn't aboard SHODAN on that escape pod. The guy was a side character you'd been hearing from in audiologs throughout the game.
That whole thing made me angry. Lack of character interaction is storyline suicide.
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The hacker wasn't aboard SHODAN on that escape pod. The guy was a side character you'd been hearing from in audiologs throughout the game.
That whole thing made me angry. Lack of character interaction is storyline suicide.
Dude, I thought that part was awesome, the way they did that.
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I got FO3 a week back, but only today had time to fire it up abit. Reached Megaton, disarmed the nuke for free, broke in and stole the Strength Bobblehead. I love hunting rifles ... too bad their manual. I don't suppose there's a rapid fire one out there ... ? Because I kinda reckon anything can happen. Especially after a pistol dropped from the sky ...
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There are several types of assault rifles in the game.
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I've only seen two, the standard one and the Chinese one. The Chinese one has much better damage stats and uses the same ammo. I never bothered using the other one.
It's funny how easy it is to steal stuff in this game. If you duck, nobody will notice you most of the time, especially if you don't have a direct line of sight to them. I must have stolen a couple hundred items on Rivet City. I picked off all the guns in the gun store there for example, with the owner practically facing me the whole time. :D
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There's this one called
Lincoln's Repeater
look it up.
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That's not an assault rifle. It's a damn nice weapon though.
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I like the Xuanlong assault rifle. Does about 50 damage with my small guns at 70 or so
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But he [stormkeeper] was asking for a hunting rifle-ish weapon. I see, whoops.
@phreak: Dang! I have a chinese assault rifle and it only does 53 for me and I have 100 small guns.
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The damage rating also depends on the weapon's condition.
I found the Xuanlong one a few days ago too. The damage is a little higher, 64 at perfect condition, but the main advantage is the 50% larger clip. The normal one runs through its clip very fast.
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Does anyone actually use an assault rifle as something other then a "I'm not using my good stuff against these apes" weapon?
If so, why?
At any rate, the Lincoln is a great weapon, but I tend towards ol painless myself - much easier to obtain.
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Does anyone actually use an assault rifle as something other then a "I'm not using my good stuff against these apes" weapon?
If so, why?
I cause good damage with the assault rifle with nearly a 100% hit rate. That, and ammo is plentiful for it. It's not quite as effective as the combat shotgun but it does the job, especially at medium ranges.
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I still prefer the hunting rifle... barring that, the ...
Wazer Wifle.
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I really wish that...
Colonel Autumn's Laser Pistol could be had at an earlier point in the game...and that it could be repaired with other laser pistols. Such an awesome weapon...
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"If Three Dog were here he'd say something, but he's not, cause somebody killed him!"
:lol:
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Wut. You killed Three Dog?
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Wut. You killed Three Dog?
More or less basically, sleep killed him and fried him with a flamethrower. :p
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.... Evil.
I found a T-51b. Or something like that. I penetrated Fort Constatine. I just need to get power armour training.
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You get that by going through the storyline until
You help Dr. Li (Lee?) get out of the Jefferson Memorial and to the citadel through the sewer route once the enclave shows up.
Then just talk to the elder and find the gunny.
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Yea, I just got it.
But it seems pretty near the end; going after the G.E.C.K. Does that thing actually work, though?
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you can also get power armor training by completing the Operation Anchorage DLC
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Mine's PC, so I dunno if I have to fork out more for that. Or if I can even get that.
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Anyone know of/use any decent fallout 3 mods?
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The Darnified UI mod is good and lets you see a lot more things at once in the pip-boy. Apart from that, I have used various console commands to increase my weight limit and give certain NPCs more caps, so I can keep selling to them. You normally have to make more frequent trips to sell and waste a lot of time looking for buyers with enough money.
There are also several high resolution texture packs which look outstanding and don't affect performance much, but were somehow making the game unstable for me, so I'm not currently using them.
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Anyone know of/use any decent fallout 3 mods?
If you don't mind balancing issues or slightly low quality weapon models (in a few cases, not all), get this: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4448
It adds well over a hundred new and old guns to Fallout, like the long-awaited M72 gauss rifle from FO2, extra miniguns and energy gattling cannons, grenade launchers, auto shotguns, laser sniper rifles, .223 and 14mm pistols, a flak cannon, and a damn sight more. There's new armour as well, and each type grants numerous advantages and disadvantages. (Power armour isn't the dead cert it used to be.)
It works with the new Martigen mod (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3211) which increases the spawn count and adds the new kit to all enemies, and the combination of both has completely changed the game for me. Once I realised the extent of the changes I had to restart the game to appreciate the new choices in the early game. It also makes it a LOT more challenging, quite reminiscent of the fun of the older games' lower levels.
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Anyone know of/use any decent fallout 3 mods?
If you don't mind balancing issues or slightly low quality weapon models (in a few cases, not all), get this: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4448
It adds well over a hundred new and old guns to Fallout, like the long-awaited M72 gauss rifle from FO2, extra miniguns and energy gattling cannons, grenade launchers, auto shotguns, laser sniper rifles, .223 and 14mm pistols, a flak cannon, and a damn sight more. There's new armour as well, and each type grants numerous advantages and disadvantages. (Power armour isn't the dead cert it used to be.)
It works with the new Martigen mod (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3211) which increases the spawn count and adds the new kit to all enemies, and the combination of both has completely changed the game for me. Once I realised the extent of the changes I had to restart the game to appreciate the new choices in the early game. It also makes it a LOT more challenging, quite reminiscent of the fun of the older games' lower levels.
That sounds quite interesting, tho i never played any of the earlier games. ive run through the main story already and discovered all locations so i would need to start over so might give this
a try. Thanks SadisticSid :D
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I stopped playing the main quest cause i couldnt find my dad. apparently he's in rivet city but i cbf going there
so im doing all the sidequests. and now 3 or 4 quests ask me to go to rivet city. FINE!!! I WILL GO!!!
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Rofl.