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Title: RELEASE: HadNyxified... Rough Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 11, 2019, 11:29:11 am
I literally have no idea how many ships I ever made. But about a month ago I realized that except for fix for HTL Ulysses, I never made any contribution to FreeSpace Upgrade Project o___O. Shame on me!

Hades' gorgeous HTL Fenris is gathering dust since 2014, while HTL Leviathan is bristling with fancyness since the release of MVP 3.8. For this reason I contacted FSU Team and Hades, and obtained the mesh. Rest of the story is obvious. Fenris is one of the oldest HTL ships in MediaVPs, so it's about time for it to catch up it's younger, heavier brother in terms of quality :)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ftgmxly.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2R4x7Uw.jpg)

DOWNLOAD (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttir4l1lw22w4s6/HTLFenrisRough.7z/file)
She's obviously dran'g'drop replacement for Fenris in current MVPs and comes with her own modular table to replace MVP one.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nightmare on February 11, 2019, 11:50:46 am
:yes: :yes: :yes:

mjn you most make update now ;)

I literally have no idea how many ships I ever made. But about a month ago I realized that except for fix for HTL Ulysses, I never made any contribution to FreeSpace Upgrade Project o___O. Shame on me!

hmmmm... what about a... HTL Demon? ;7 It looks so ugly next to all the fancy new stuff from INF although I always liked the original design, and I'd guess if you can't do it, nobody ever will.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 11, 2019, 12:00:19 pm
There are three Demon WiPs by three different prople - Bobbtman, Esarai and Oddgrim. One more and they start changing HLP logos and everything to pentagrams o___O
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nightmare on February 11, 2019, 12:03:00 pm
Are they even available? I remember some years ago people were discussing that because all of them went missing (also, TrashMan made one too).

BTW
Detail1 => "turret09n-01-main" should be "turret09b-01-main"
Detail2 => "turret09c-01-main_001" without _001
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Colt on February 11, 2019, 12:28:43 pm
A Fenris! It'd be a shame if someone were to... lob a bunch of tempests at it...

But seriously this looks real nice. Going to give it a try later today.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 11, 2019, 12:38:11 pm
Are they even available? I remember some years ago people were discussing that because all of them went missing (also, TrashMan made one too).

BTW
Detail1 => "turret09n-01-main" should be "turret09b-01-main"
Detail2 => "turret09c-01-main_001" without _001
Fixed.

None of them was ever completed. Oddgrim's one is the most advanced, but still in pretty early stage.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nightmare on February 11, 2019, 12:47:01 pm
I see, the chance of this happening is tiny. :( Well, that way I can put more of them on screen. :drevil:
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: DefCynodont119 on February 11, 2019, 02:47:34 pm
WOOT!


Could you please make a slightly less-shiny version?  Because if you go into the F3 shiplab and set the Gloss override to around 100 it looks Waaay Better and more contestant with the Levi IMHO.

Still, looks great either way!
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Commander Zane on February 11, 2019, 02:55:08 pm
The squishiest cruiser, shiny and chrome!
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 11, 2019, 03:16:46 pm
The red circle is a basstube.   
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: niffiwan on February 12, 2019, 03:54:32 am
well done & thank you to you both!
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Luis Dias on February 12, 2019, 04:04:57 am
:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: woutersmits on February 12, 2019, 06:28:49 am
is this on knosses
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nightmare on February 12, 2019, 11:05:32 am
I don't think there are many ship individual ship mods on Knossos - this thing here will hopefully be part of the MVPs soon, so I don't see the need for it.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Mito [PL] on February 12, 2019, 07:16:07 pm
This is glorious.

Now I'll have regrets when shooting down these! :P
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 12, 2019, 07:40:31 pm
This is glorious.

Now I'll have regrets when shooting down these! :P
Nope, this is other Fenris. Glorious was destroyed in Regulus :]

It won't be on Knossos unless somebody add it or Mjn.Mixael include it in MediaVPs. I see no reason for Knossos release for single ship.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: DefCynodont119 on February 13, 2019, 04:41:34 pm
 Uh, I'm saying this a second time because I think it was missed, but I would like an optional less-shiny version please.


To be blunt: Having a Matt gray Leviathan and a CHROMETM Fenris is kinda off-putting.  Screenshots with comparison: 
(the last one is a Fenris with the gloss override set to 100 because I think that looks better) Sorry if it seems like I'm nagging.

[attachment eaten by a Shivan]
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 13, 2019, 05:03:14 pm
In fact almost whole Leviathan was supposed to be metallic, but fightermedic broke something during the conversion and whole Levy is covered in... Something different. Dunno. DahBlount confirmed that current Leviathan has broken reflectance values.

I won't change Fenris because this is how metal behave. Your bloom settings are responsible for this overshiny effect. Glowmaps indicate that you use some higher value.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: DahBlount on February 13, 2019, 08:42:11 pm
I think you misunderstood our conversation about the Leviathan. The big issues with the Levi textures are artifacts introduced by DXT compression and some minor issues with reflectance values being somewhat off from the intended values. For what it's worth, fightermedic intended the Leviathan to be painted with some edge wear that exposed bits of metal, he said so himself.

In addition, I don't understand your conclusion that the Fenris is so metallic. Volition did not establish any ships as being metallic and it clashes with every other ship in the GTVA that others have worked on.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nightmare on February 13, 2019, 09:09:25 pm
Nyx ships are shiny, one way or another~
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 13, 2019, 10:19:02 pm
I think you misunderstood our conversation about the Leviathan. The big issues with the Levi textures are artifacts introduced by DXT compression and some minor issues with reflectance values being somewhat off from the intended values. For what it's worth, fightermedic intended the Leviathan to be painted with some edge wear that exposed bits of metal, he said so himself.
Perhaps. I admit I often feel dizzy, and some conclusions of conversations like that sometimes escape my attention. My short-term memory suffer from some issues I don't want to explain. Still my artistic freedom is valid in this case and any other. As Nightmare stated, my ships are "shiny" so they follow my distinctive style of modelling and texturing. MVPs are a healthy mix of Mixael's rough and specular-focused texturing, Oddgrim's pastel, digital-painted vasudans, VA's over-greebling, Sab0o's simplicity and Hades' tricky shapes. My shiny-ness contribute to the family.

In addition, I don't understand your conclusion that the Fenris is so metallic. Volition did not establish any ships as being metallic and it clashes with every other ship in the GTVA that others have worked on.
Which ships? Leviathan is the only PBR terran ship in current MVPs. I read Fenris as bare-metallic and in my opinion it fits to this ship. I added gray painting as you requested and I think it works. I will listen to your feedback as I used to listen others but I follow no guidelines when there are none. And there is nobody to give me such.

I don't want sound rude. I value your opinion, I value community feedback and I respect you personally for everything you do here. Anyway FSU is community project and Fenris is my contribution. I want to contribute more and I have power to do it, but I don't want to be limited by anything at all.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: DefCynodont119 on February 13, 2019, 11:23:07 pm
Hey, someone will always get finicky when new MVP assets are made,   :p  For the record, I really love your metallic shiny stuff, I just did not think it was consistent for the Fenris with the rest of the MVPs. Feedback is just one of those things everyone has to deal with in life.  :warp:
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: DahBlount on February 14, 2019, 01:04:32 am
Perhaps. I admit I often feel dizzy, and some conclusions of conversations like that sometimes escape my attention. My short-term memory suffer from some issues I don't want to explain. Still my artistic freedom is valid in this case and any other. As Nightmare stated, my ships are "shiny" so they follow my distinctive style of modelling and texturing. MVPs are a healthy mix of Mixael's rough and specular-focused texturing, Oddgrim's pastel, digital-painted vasudans, VA's over-greebling, Sab0o's simplicity and Hades' tricky shapes. My shiny-ness contribute to the family.
While I agree that you should have some artistic freedom, what you have made here doesn't contribute so much as add noise to everything. All the Terran ships look verifiably Terran when lined up together except your Fenris. It's basically grungy gray, brown, green, and blue paint for everything else then the Fenris comes in looking like a mirror.

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Which ships? Leviathan is the only PBR terran ship in current MVPs. I read Fenris as bare-metallic and in my opinion it fits to this ship. I added gray painting as you requested and I think it works. I will listen to your feedback as I used to listen others but I follow no guidelines when there are none. And there is nobody to give me such.
Ships being PBR or not isn't what matters, there's an aesthetic that each faction in FreeSpace have. For Terrans, it's the aforementioned grungy paint, Vasudans have semi-organic shapes with lots of yellows, oranges, and some browns, Shivans are dark, mechanical yet insectoid with red glows.

I really didn't want to be that guy, but I just don't think your style as is works for the Fenris. I want to see the surface detailing properly and actually get a good idea of the ships overall appearance, you've basically gone and masked any beauty it had with mirror-like surfaces.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Trivial Psychic on February 14, 2019, 05:52:56 pm
Why hasn't this been highlighted yet?
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 15, 2019, 11:44:10 am
Yeah it's a cracking ship.  The shininess is authors preference and I for one am grateful for the effort.    It's not a hard correction for anyone wishing to include it in a mod.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Nightmare on February 15, 2019, 01:05:04 pm
Why hasn't this been highlighted yet?

It's so shiny it can highlight itself. :D
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Aesaar on February 15, 2019, 10:50:30 pm
If you don't like how mirror-shiny this ship is (which I don't), you guy understand that changing that only takes a couple of minutes and a free paint.net plugin, yes?  It's really not hard.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Novachen on February 18, 2019, 11:40:43 am
Well, about the shiny-ness... well, for me it look more that this ship was wrapped in aluminum foil, do not see any metal in it.  :nervous:


But nevertheless, i have some small other nitpicking with it: I think the nameplate is placed too much to the left, because even short ship names begin at the join instead on the empty area of the hull.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Droid803 on February 19, 2019, 11:17:48 pm
Someone's been polishing these Fenrises, I see. :P
They may explode when looked at, but at least they'll look shiny when doing so goddammit!
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: SamVision on February 20, 2019, 11:39:39 am
After quite a while its nice to see progress. I just wish Demon gets some love like this too.
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 15, 2019, 05:55:15 pm
If you don't like how mirror-shiny this ship is (which I don't), you guy understand that changing that only takes a couple of minutes and a free paint.net plugin, yes?  It's really not hard.

What filter would that be? I went into Photoshop, blended a battleship gray into the diffuse map, darkened the reflectance map massively, and did this to the main map only. The result:

(https://i.imgur.com/DchUvDE.jpg)
Unfortunately, FenrisGreeb is not neatly separated into painted and dark parts so I left it completely untouched.

(https://i.imgur.com/ajXgMJ5.jpg)
The diffuse map looks kind of rough but it has a real presence that no non-PBR ships possess. I think a real artist would be required to "paint" it properly, adding a sense of physicality and weathering to the paint, etc. Perhaps one could have easily gotten the impression that Terran ships were shiny metal from the way :v: textures designed without specularity in mind tended to get adapted to specularity. They "should" have been redrawn from scratch, but unfortunately the dev time and resources did not exist and especially capship tiles tended to end up at the bottom of the food chain in this regard. Instead, people twiddled with some sliders or applied crude blending techniques (sort of like what I just did ;) ) to get it looking mostly acceptable. The TEI fleet in Blue Planet seems like it was always meant to be silvery metal instead of gray, so that's another possible source for the shiny Terrans brain bug.

Even in its damaged state, this is the best-looking FSU model that's ever been released. Perhaps the bare metal skin could even be kept and made a GTI variant or something.

[attachment eaten by a Shivan]
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified Shiny Fenris
Post by: Colt on March 15, 2019, 06:26:51 pm
There's a face on the side of it above the red glowing thing.

This also looks pretty good too!
Title: Re: RELEASE: HadNyxified... Rough Fenris
Post by: Nyctaeus on May 26, 2019, 09:30:58 am
:bump: I completely forgot about it's existence o__O

Download in the first posted is now updated with FS1 variant + significantly rougher textures to match the Levy and get rid of this nasty glittering effect.

Edit: Aaaand now with much better normalmaps.