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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
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"You are a made thing" This line has always had me pondering. Does it refer to Laporte's ultimate purpose? Or is she literally a Shivan baby?

 

Offline -Sara-

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Spoiler:
"You are a made thing" This line has always had me pondering. Does it refer to Laporte's ultimate purpose? Or is she literally a Shivan baby?

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I assume she was conditioned with her psychosis by divine (Shivan or Vishan) intervention. An entirely different option is that Ken is the last of the Brahmas who is responsible for both Bei and Laporte, believing it'll even the terrans out and lead to a greater destiny.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
I think you may have it backwards regarding mental state being a result of contact.

Consider the mental state of our known...let's call them contacts. Samuel Bei was known for his calm and certainty, and he certainly projected that in his appearances in AoA. This would also describe the Vishies. This state existed in Bei before his first contacts, which would seem to put the lie to your ordering of things.

Now consider whose mental state Naomi's appears to most closely match.
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Offline General Battuta

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Bei talked about hearing their voices for his entire life, though (iirc) and not realizing it

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Bei talked about hearing their voices for his entire life, though (iirc) and not realizing it

Curses, a good theory foiled.
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Well, he didn't realise it until the Temeraire's battlegroup was rescued by the Sacred Keeper.

And then he executed Order 66went to fulfil his destiny and averted a catastrophe.
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Offline -Norbert-

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In that regard, even more would point toward Ken being Shivan. From what we saw of them I think of the Vishnans as subtle and only intervening when necessary and with minimal force, thus their influence over Bei was completely "invisible" so to say to others. Noone noticed anything odd about him.

But the Shivans, usually prefering a more direct approach, messed up a little bit in their contact with Laporte and thus she was diagnosed with a mental condition.

 

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...and thus she was diagnosed with a mental condition.

Where did you get this from? "Fugue" flight is not a mental condition. It's a post-battle trauma symptom.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Laporte : "I had a psychotic episode in my early teens. Hallucinations, imagined companions, schizophrenic symptoms."
From : Ken, Mission 04, WiH.
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Offline Pred the Penguin

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Symptoms only, but I see your point.

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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I think it was mentioned that it was officially diagnosed at some point. Don't remember where that was mentioned though.
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Would be unlikely, such a diagnosis would disqualify her for Officer Aircrew entry. That's under current laws, though.

 

Offline -Sara-

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I guess it comes down to if in the 24th century psychotic symptoms can be ordinarily be entirely repressed without any ill side-effects under normal circumstances.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Would be unlikely, such a diagnosis would disqualify her for Officer Aircrew entry. That's under current laws, though.
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Lieutenant Vicmouth, same mission, the line just following the one I quoted earlier. Sounds like some of you didn't pay enough attention at that dialogue, amirite.
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Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
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batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
Awaesaar: grace
batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
Darius: yes, i like that
MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Hey man, if you'd played those missions in as many different stages as I had, it'd become a big blur for you too. :D

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Just crack-open the mission file. Do you think I remember all the dialog by heart too ?
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Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
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batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
Awaesaar: grace
batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
Darius: yes, i like that
MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: XD
Axem: bring me solo and a cookie

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Well I couldn't recall that anything of that effect was said (though now you've jogged my memory and I do), so I had no reason to. Anyway!

 

Offline -Sara-

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But all work and no play makes Dilmah a dull boy. I think he has to open missions, both textual and ingame often enough already. :)
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Offline Jellyfish

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Is it logic to send someone with a spotty psychological record to the heat of combat?
I think if Laporte were to apply to a modern air force, they'd laugh in her face.
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Offline Commander Zane

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Never know, they could let her in anyway. I've seen some people with psychs that really made me question just how far processing personnel bend their own rules.