[Mars]

I also think the Ranvir would have been destroyed anyway? It fired Apocalypse torpedos at Serkr, but Serkr destroyed the Nara anyway.

[General Battuta]

Yeah, I'm really not sure what he's talking about. He thinks it's unfair that a warship in a war switched to a more effective weapon for the tactical situation it was in? 

[Destiny]

Well I'm confident of the Narayana's hull strength against TerSlashes, but slash beams slashing the Narayana all over is bound to blow up something in the long run, like one of the missile launchers. I'm not sure what the subsystems and turrets the TerSlash on the right of the Ranvir could be hit. I'm not really a coder so I've never delved into how strong the Narayana's subsystem/turret strength are.

Well, it's probably not unfair now that I've been presented with the full details. I'm losing coherence in what I'm saying, I think. I was basing off before the mission started, i.e. after the Ranvir jumps out and the Navajas are still at the Solaris.

[Mars]

Well, we watched the Narayana switch back from Hydras to Apocalypse torpedos in less than a minute, so I assume it could have done the same as soon as it was under attack.

As for losing missile launchers, even now, they're pretty easy to armor; it's a tube with a lid. You can probably make the lid out of unobtainium in the future.

As for the Ranvir surviving Serkr, I'm pretty sure they're able to destroy a full strength Narayana in one burst, but don't quote me on that.

[Destiny]

Hmm, the Idomeneus must've gotten a good six/eight/twelve TerSlashes if the Ranvir was changing torpedoes.

The Serkr has Eight MBlues and one BBlue...wow they do over 150k+ damage.

[Mars]

Hmm, the Idomeneus must've gotten a good six/eight/twelve TerSlashes if the Ranvir was changing torpedoes.

The Serkr has Eight MBlues and one BBlue...wow they do over 150k+ damage.

That they do. . . IDK what kind of armor the Nara packs though.

And you can't presume how long it takes to change torpedos. . .

[Destiny]

Well, under a minute...could be 59 seconds, 30, 10. Well, speculation is fun. Although armor does matter much. Perhaps the Nara uses 'frigate armor', although I've no idea what it is (error dialog popped up stating it). Man, GTVA Command is slow at adapting their doctrines. Only a few of the Capella-era ships have pulse weapons, even then the Cardinal and Regensburg still had to retreat.

[Mars]

I somehow doubt most federal ships we see in WiH are armored against beams, as beams, particularly those of the blue "**** off" variety, seem to kill Feds rather quickly.

[Destiny]

You're right on that somewhat...although I noticed the Renjian didn't get instantly skewered by the 14th Battlegroup. It took some (quite a few) beam hits, fired off some mass driver and gauss cannon rounds, then exploded.

[PsychoLandlord]

The Karuna is also a damn tough ship for it's size, something that seems to be standard doctrine for UEF vessels save for the Sanctus. The Renjian was also, IIRC, only taking fire from the Orestes and even then was in a weird spot that precluded use of the Raynor's main gun. Still went down fairly fast under those circumstances.

[Mars]

I think Tev vessels are actually slightly tougher - the Deimos has IIRC the same armor and 5,000 fewer hitpoints than the Karuna, at roughly 2/3rds the size, the Diomedes is comparable.

The Bellerophon is a beast.

I'm curious what armor setting the UEDs are going to use typically.

[PsychoLandlord]

I think Tev vessels are actually slightly tougher - the Deimos has IIRC the same armor and 5,000 fewer hitpoints than the Karuna, at roughly 2/3rds the size, the Diomedes is comparable.

Really? I thought  Karuna's always seemed like they took metric ****tons more punishment than Tev Corvettes. Not a measly 5k hitpoints.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

They have special armour plating, I think.

[Mars]

They mostly use Heavy Armor 100 (which is the same as all the other cap ships) given certain situations though, they use heavier armor. So do all the other ships in the game (essentially).

The Carthage is merely the most notable example.

[Fury]

Really? I thought  Karuna's always seemed like they took metric ****tons more punishment than Tev Corvettes. Not a measly 5k hitpoints.

Hitpoints in WiH aren't static. Ships take as much punishment as is needed for a mission to play out well. You can chalk it under cinematic gameplay and rule of cool.

[MatthTheGeek]

Yeah. Armor magic rules.

[Regent]

Given the GTVA's emphasis on emulating Shivan shock-jump tactics, why does the Titan do -just- enough damage to not kill a standard enemy destroyer at 100,000 HP in a single salvo, like the Ravana? A Hyperion could tag along to finish off the job, but it seems like a liability to have to take additional ships that could be useful elsewhere. In the 25 seconds it takes for the Titan to reload (or recharge) its beams, the enemy could have jumped out or counterattacked.

Also btw excellent job with AoA and WiH - they are both great campaigns.

[Destiny]

Game balance or to allow plot development without needing to make new beams that'll have that particular ship survive, I guess. Well my theory is rubbish. For me, I think the idea is that the beams and their damage potentials were created first.




Then after that, they thought about what the beams were supposed to be fired at.

[MatthTheGeek]

In in-mission situations, the enemy destroyer would have active armor reducing some of the damage anyway. In BP, ship vs ship battle aren't determined purely by table stats. You can also expect the bomber complement or escorting warships to finish it off anyway, you never send a destroyer alone.

The GTVA's doctrine tend to favour hunter-killer corvette teams such as Serkr to take down destroyers and above. Destroyers are a too high-value target to risk if you don't have to.

[Regent]

If a Titan jumps in 3 kilometres from a target and fires while launching bombers, the target could have charged its drives and jumped before the bombers covered the distance.

However chances are the destroyer's escorts would finish it off anyway so I guess it wouldn't really make a big difference in combat.

Also do Shivan ships have active armor or those HP-regenerating nanomachines found on the UEF ships? The GTVA is geared around combating the Shivan threat, and the UEF should be nothing more than a short-term disturbance.