[General Battuta]

If you slap them down in FRED, yeah -- in practice, not so much.

[MatthTheGeek]

Capship vs capship situations don't mean much anyway. You rarelly send a destroyer alone, you've got to count on the whole fighter complements, the positions of the two desties, the recharge state of their drives, the skill of their pilots...

Too many variables man, too many variables. A single of those things could turn the battle one way or the other.

[Mars]

Not talking duel necessarily, but I mean in the middle of a major fleet action, or some such. It is awesome that they may be fairly balanced, however.

[EternalRuin]

I didn't know of those massive cannons either... which are freaking awesome looking, I might add.

Are there any other pieces of sheer awesomenesss which I have missed? =p

[-Norbert-]

I think the Solaris could do with a few more heavy turrets on the "underside", seeing as only two gattlers point downwards, with the other 10 pointing up. While the forward firing heavy guns are nice, they still do nothing to remedy that weakness.

[MatthTheGeek]

Gattlers are quite useless anyway. Apocalypses are the true main armament of the Solaris class, and those are 360° coverage.

[crizza]

Hm...what I don't like is the "Target killed, warping out" and when the ship is over the...threshold, it still takes damage...that's how many of my freded missions fail^^
And the Solaris is one of those out of the grave killer...

[QuakeIV]

Apocalypse torpedoes don't kill bombers.

[crizza]

But Serkr after killing a Solaris, one usually falls prey to topredos, while jumping out...well, I guess an invulnarable event after killing the target would work just fine...

[MatthTheGeek]

Apocalypse torpedoes don't kill bombers.

Neither do Gattler turrets. And the Solaris has more than ample coverage of Point Defense and Burst Flak. Plus a whole air complement. Your point ?

Hm...what I don't like is the "Target killed, warping out" and when the ship is over the...threshold, it still takes damage...that's how many of my freded missions fail^^
And the Solaris is one of those out of the grave killer...

Guardian you ships when the target ship is destroyed. Hide the guardianing by switching to a heavier armor.

[Fury]

Gattlers are quite useless anyway.

Solaris' gattler turrets were slightly improved in R2 because it now has a little brother for another type of ship.

Edit: BGreen has sustained DPS of 880. Gattler turret's damage was increased from 15 to 20. Meaning it does sustained DPS of 150. So you need 6 Gattler turrets to match single BGreen. A Solaris has 12 of them, so a Solaris already has two Bgreen's worth of firepower in Gattler turrets only. Slight scatter was also removed to make them more efficient in targeting subsystems and turrets.

Gattler turret's little brother has effectively half the DPS and we'll be seeing it later in R2.

[crizza]

My,my,
just made the effort of changing the retail campaign to something BP-ish...very bad idea^^

[X3N0-Life-Form]

Come on, it's not that bad, it just requires some additionnal balancing FREDing.

[crizza]

But if you're not able to do...
We all know what an Tev fighter with Balor does with a shiv...

[Qent]

It can be BP-ish without Balors.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

Yeah, I was more thinking about improved AI than having next-gen/TEI stuff.
One thing you'll always remember after that is that Basilisks and maras carry Trebs as their default loadout.

[MatthTheGeek]

That's probably the single thing that makes Bearbaiting brokenly hard with improved AI, yeah

[-Norbert-]

Come on, it's not that bad, it just requires some additionnal balancing FREDing.

Considering that of those 12 gattlers only two point "down", FREDding makes a lot of difference in the regard of the Solaris' gattler efficiency.

[Legate Damar]

May I please use ships from this in my campaign?

[The E]

All assets released as part of BP can be used freely in other mods, provided proper attribution is given, either by crediting these things to their creators as mentioned in BP's credits, or by crediting them to the BP team where no such info is given.