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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Rick James on June 02, 2009, 10:55:42 am
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Bioware recently unveiled a trailer at E3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-star-wars/49936) for their Star Wars MMO.
I may have my reservations about the game itself, but damn. If you can't dig the trailer you have no soul.
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I may have my reservations about the game itself, but damn. If you can't dig the trailer you have no soul.
Yep, that was about my reaction too.
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trailer was awesome.. still won't buy mmo ****.
btw. the fights in the trailer and the trailer itself are/is way better than the prequels altogether.
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Damn, that was one nice trailer.
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The trailer was great quality and they should make a animated SW movie just like that.
But I would think about playing it once I really get to see the gameplay and character development. I just don't want it like the first one.
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...btw. the fights in the trailer and the trailer itself are/is way better than the prequels altogether.
You do realize that after playing a couple of hours with a lightsaber in your hand, the moves will quickly become repetitive. That was my experience with KotOR II; I was amazed by the moves that I saw in the trailer, but after being halfway through the story, I have seen all the moves. Now it's no longer that awesome.
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After playing both KOTOR for days on end, I never really did find the dynamic fighting animations boring...
or maybe it was the fact that I had twin silver-colored lightsabers. :P
That trailer looks hella sweet. I don't really care if the MMO is going to be nothing like that, inevitably; I'm just the kind of person that would rather watch the cutscenes from final fantasy than play the ****ty game. :D
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Now that I have watched the trailer, these cannot be in-game moves. This is just a short film to advertise the product.
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I have a feeling that it is simply a metheod of generating hype and it doesn't contribute to the story of the game at all.
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Now that I have watched the trailer, these cannot be in-game moves. This is just a short film to advertise the product.
They never claimed otherwise.
I have a feeling that it is simply a metheod of generating hype and it doesn't contribute to the story of the game at all.
It doesn't contribute to the gameplay, but what you said is dead wrong: this is outlining the story of the game. The whole idea is that the Sith Empire has toppled the Republic.
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When the hell did the Sith ever topple the Old Republic?
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Aside from in Episode 3? :p
The idea is that the Sith Empire popped in from the Unknown Regions, kicked the Republic off Coruscant, and have forced an uneasy peace. It's kind of a cold war situation.
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Since when have the Sith ever been fans of the status quo? You would think they would be pressing their military advantage over the peaceful Republic.
Aside from that, just watched the trailer, it was sweet. I would still rather have KOTOR3 than this, which looks like an attempt to combine the KOTOR franchise with WoW.
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[Vader]...impressive...[/Vader]
The trailer is great, but it's a MMO. No way i gonna play that.
Make that a Single player game and i buy it.
Bioware succeeds and fails at the same time...disturbing.
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I agree. I really wish this was just KOTOR 3. I guess Bioware doesn't want to wrap up Obsidian's story? Or should we take this 'Sith Empire' to be the True Sith spoken of in KOTOR 2?
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Well, by KOTOR2, the Jedi are mostly dead, and in KOTOR1, they are on Dantooine. Too much of a stretch to say that there's a reason that they're on Dantooine?
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We know why they're on Dantooine: because of Revan and Malak.
This is set well after that. The Jedi had a chance to rebuild, have a big ol' temple on Coruscant (as we see in the prequels), then get driven off again and forced back to Tython.
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It looks like the the KOTOR MMO is loosely based on the darkside ending of Kotor 1.
IIRC, the Jedi never left Coruscant.
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my only issue with this is that i think i saw some gameplay earlier that looked cartoonish...
god i hope that the gmaes looks even a little like that trailer....
probably won't buy it, though, unless they had no sub fee, but that is rather unlikely...
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It looks like the the KOTOR MMO is loosely based on the darkside ending of Kotor 1.
IIRC, the Jedi never left Coruscant.
No, I believe the lightside ending of KOTOR 1 is canonical. This is set several hundred (thousand?) years after KOTOR II.
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It looks like the the KOTOR MMO is loosely based on the darkside ending of Kotor 1.
IIRC, the Jedi never left Coruscant.
No, I believe the lightside ending of KOTOR 1 is canonical. This is set several hundred (thousand?) years after KOTOR II.
The trailer says something like "300 years", and i can only assume that it means after the happenings from KOTOR 1.
I'm not very familiar with the EU of Star Wars ( except for the KOTOR games, both trilogy's of T. Zahn, the Boba Fett trilogy and a couple of other post ROTJ books ), i usually try to avoid anything EU ( because of the other post ROTJ books :P ).
A while back i read something that the good ending is canon, but it wasn't important to me, since G. Lucas declared every book canon ( frak, what a mistake, imo ).
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The light side ending of KoToR is the canon one, Bioware themselves comfirmed this when Kotor 2 came out and Obsidian also said that the light sided endings of the Kotor games are canon.
Impressive trailer, but i don't think thats ingame. Does the lead sith look like Malak and the others look like copies of Revan to anyone else?
Shame that this will be MMO, i want to know what happened to Revan! Since he seems to be one of the most favourite star wars characters, i read that somewhere in an official poll, because i know they made a figure of him.
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Now if only I could get KoTOR to work again. :hopping:
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I'm still waiting for Bioware to admit the whole MMO thing was a big put on and its actually a traditional RPG :D
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Now if only I could get KoTOR to work again. :hopping:
What's the problem?
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Crashes every five minutes or so. :ick:
Intel Core 2 Extreme 9650
2 Nvidia 9800GT graphics cards
4 GB of RAM (2x2)
Windows Vistax32
Yes, I am running it in Windows XP compatibility, and yes I updated to the latest drivers.
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Eh, I just bust out the old X-Box.
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I'm really confused as to the timeline here... I mean, it looks great, but so much of the stuff just seems odd.
I dig that there's a hint at a mandalorian non-bounty hunter class, but what the hell was with the charted system in the Tingle Arm on the map at the end?
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It remains to be seen wether this "MMO" will actually be the long awaited "Bioware take on MMO design" or wether Bioware sold out and just made "yet another traditional MMO" with all the usual trappings and failings lol.
The Trailer is awesome, no question, but sadly it really doesn't tell us anything about the err... game heh ;)
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Really hope they aboid the same old 'grind, rinse, repeat'
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I'm really confused as to the timeline here... I mean, it looks great, but so much of the stuff just seems odd.
I dig that there's a hint at a mandalorian non-bounty hunter class, but what the hell was with the charted system in the Tingle Arm on the map at the end?
If I recall correctly this whole war had to be written in because Lucas botched the time lines. In ANH Obi Wan said the Jedi and the Republic had been around for a thousand generations which got cocked when in the Prequels they said the Republic had been round for 1000 years. Since the thousand years statement screwed over much of the expanded universe canon (KOTOR, The Hyperspace Wars) they worked in this new Sith War that forced the Republic into a reformation or some such in order to make both ANH and the Prequesl technically right. I believe the MMO is going to be set in this period when the Sith had really kicked the Republic's ass.
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Not precisely. The conflict you refer to was a milennium-long struggle that went on from 2000 years before the Battle of Yavin (your Death Star A-Splode) to 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin. This MMO is set roughly three hundred years after Knights of the Old Republic, where the "True Sith" who were allegedly in hiding have come to pwn the Republic's ass, though what makes these new (old?) Sith special remains to be seen.
So long as the developers avoid the narm and the unnecessary aesop morals, it has potential.
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Not precisely. The conflict you refer to was a milennium-long struggle that went on from 2000 years before the Battle of Yavin (your Death Star A-Splode) to 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin. This MMO is set roughly three hundred years after Knights of the Old Republic, where the "True Sith" who were allegedly in hiding have come to pwn the Republic's ass, though what makes these new (old?) Sith special remains to be seen.
So long as the developers avoid the narm and the unnecessary aesop morals, it has potential.
Oops, well it is pretty FUMTU they needed to add a new bloody conflict into the chronology becuase they goofed the movies :D
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Well, it's Star Wars. You gotta have a war in Star Wars. If the characters did nothing but trek, it would be called...
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Star Gate?
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lol.
well it is pretty FUMTU they needed to add a new bloody conflict into the chronology becuase they goofed the movies
Having the Chronology in book form, there are about 1000 years with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING interesting happening in them (aside from Naboo being colonized. Seriously. That's it.). Those thousand years coincide very nicely with the time this game is set in.
For the adding it where it wasn't before, if nothing covers those thousand years, they can explain it however they want, as long as it doesn't completely and utterly contradict established canon. Since there ISN'T any canon there, it's safe to put a nice, new bloody war there.
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It's not that a don't condone more brutal conflict to be added to the verse, unless it involves YV, it's more the why they haded to add it.
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I'm fairly certain they didn't crock the movies in that respect. Don't have the movie on hand right now, but I don't think he said the Republic has been around for a thousand years. Maybe thousands, plural, or that there has been peace for a thousand years, possibly. Even if he did say that, it's an unbelievably minor point, and unlikely to be the cause of the entire thousand year war that Lucas is throwing in there
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"I will not let this Republic, which has stood for a thousand years, be split in two."
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Hmmm. I do stand corrected on that point. However, I still believe it to be either a) an unbelievably minor goof that wouldn't warrant or incite such blatant cover-up (the term escapes me at the moment) or b) hyper(?)bole. Hypobole?
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"I will not let this Republic, which has stood for a thousand years, be split in two."
Was that from one of the movies? Lucas is too arrogant to have one of the lines from one of his movies be known as a goof. Of course, this means that in the opening of Episode III all those Venators taking on all those Recusants without any Acclamators or Deadnoughts for backup is officially canon. Which is just re-frakking-tarded.
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that trailer is awesome! hard to believe the game will look like that.
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Preview for the game went up on Kotaku today. People are saying it's a lot more like a single-player RPG than they expected. Signs are good.
If only I would ever be able to play it. Monthly subscription fees are verboten.
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hard to believe the game will look like that.
It won't. The trailer is just another excellent piece from Blur Studios.
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hard to believe the game will look like that.
It won't. The trailer is just another excellent piece from Blur Studios.
Now if we just had two hours of that, I might be willing to forgive George Lucas for the prequels.
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Gameplay videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUDtJFHlcqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIkjvAI1420
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I'll only buy this if it has significant singleplayer options.
I wish game developers would look more into established EU.... but I guess that's just wishful thinking.
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I'll only buy this if it has significant singleplayer options.
You missed this topic and the link within apparently.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=65718.0
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They do make nice trailers (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-star-wars/101162)
Too bad its a thrice cursed MMO.
It's nice to see Stormtrooper proxies best Force wielders, even if I find the fact that "star destroyers" and "stormies" existing thousands of years before the main movies a little silly, apparently technological development in SW must be taught by the Adeptus Mechanicus.
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My money's on some sort of thousand-year dark age of some sort.
EDIT: MMMmmmmmm... that's good trailer.
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Erm, that's full body armor of republic troops. One would imagine futuristic soldiers would have such to protect themselves. I'm sure they could've opted to armor that looks more like the one from Crysis. But honestly, I think this works better. :p The Sith ships do resemble Star Destroyers a bit as you only saw their silhouettes, but so what? They look ominous and different to republic ships. And we saw sith ships in KotOR already back in 2003.
You're pretty late to the party if you start complaining about slow technological development in the SW-verse now. You should've done that when the first KotOR came out back in 2003. :p
In all honesty, if humanity has gotten this far in relatively short time technology wise, I'm rather sure that a few thousand years from now we have technology that makes SW look like kids toys.
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GameTrailers said those soldiers were clones. If true, that is a major ret-con since if clones were used as soldiers way back then Obi-Wan should not have been surprised about the army on Kamino.
And it looks like the TOR armor is very similar to Phase 2 Clone Trooper armor.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080427001820/starwars/images/thumb/c/c8/CloneTrooperPhase2Armor-RotSVD.jpg/250px-CloneTrooperPhase2Armor-RotSVD.jpg)
Has BioWare come up with nothing original at all for this? It wouldn't surprise me though if Lucas was making them do things this way so he could have image association with the prequels.
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Erm, that's full body armor of republic troops. One would imagine futuristic soldiers would have such to protect themselves. I'm sure they could've opted to armor that looks more like the one from Crysis. But honestly, I think this works better. :p The Sith ships do resemble Star Destroyers a bit as you only saw their silhouettes, but so what? They look ominous and different to republic ships. And we saw sith ships in KotOR already back in 2003.
You're pretty late to the party if you start complaining about slow technological development in the SW-verse now. You should've done that when the first KotOR came out back in 2003. :p
In all honesty, if humanity has gotten this far in relatively short time technology wise, I'm rather sure that a few thousand years from now we have technology that makes SW look like kids toys.
I dunno I found KotOR to have a bit of an 'old' feel to it. The Sith troops' armor definitely reminded me of stormies but it was wasn't stormtrooper armor. The Ebon Hawk certainly reminded me of the Falcon but it still seemed like an older design. The guys in that trailer look like RotS clones with slightly different helmets and cooler combat web gear. Not to say they look bad, they look awesome tbh, but still something a bit more original might have been nice.
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Something else to remember, the Republic stood for thousands of years. One culture for longer than there's been any on this mudball, I would quite imagine that once they found a design that provided the requisite capabilities, they would keep it. Image is powerful, and if you can present the same image for long enough, even if it's untrue, it still instills a level of comfort and respect.
Also, they were at the peak of technological development, more or less, Type 2s have more or less learned all there is to learn, from a practical stand point. There will still be development, but it won't come in fits and starts like it does with us. It will come in refinements of what there already is until it's unrecognizable from what it started as.
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The armor is a straight rip-off by BioWare of Phase Two Clone Trooper armor, which wasn't around until the Clone Wars and was the second generation of an armor that was partially designed by Jango Fett, a Mandalorian.
If this was standard back then, why didn't the GAR have this equipment for their soldiers as soon as the Clone Wars broke out?
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They do make nice trailers
Yes. Yes they do :nod:
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It's a bit disappointing the Sith have taken the Trade Federation land at random places and drive/walk to the city approach rather than the Darth Malak level the city from orbit approach.
I find the whole every bounty hunter is Boba Fett thing more annoying than the star destroyers or storm troopers. Why would you even bring a bounty hunter on an invasion?
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That wasn't a bounty hunter, that was a Mandalorian (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian), one of the toughest sons-of-*****es in the galaxy. And that armor is typical Mandalorian armor, although I hope players will be able to customize the colors on it.
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No, it's a bounty hunter (http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/classes/bounty-hunter).
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I find the whole every bounty hunter is Boba Fett thing more annoying than the star destroyers or storm troopers. Why would you even bring a bounty hunter on an invasion?
That's nothing. When the first trailer released, some reputable news source called her a "Female Boba Fett." Really. (though don't ask me to source that, it's been way too long)
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I don't know guys... I believe this mellows down the game expierence a bit...
"Oh look, that Republic Commando has five less levels then me, that means he can't beat me, the level 60 Sith Lord..."
Meh...
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To be fair, the Commando didn't beat the Sith Lord. He just made it possible for him to be beaten.