[Grizzly]

The title says it all. Mind that it says "they" (Shivans) not "our" (Terrans)

And, as I have posted this topic for a reason, I am going to argue about this.

Because, when Britian's blitz was at its worst the Britons were at their best. As Chruchill said:

If the British Empire lasts for a thousand years, men will still say " This was their finest hour"

I think the same applies for the GTVA, And I also think the mission title was based on the above quote, hence the description on the wiki about the (infamous) mission needs to be changed.

[ShadowGorrath]

How can it be GTVA's finest hour when they LOST THE COLOSSUS AND HAD TO ABORT THE MISSION ?

The mission's name means that the Shivans destroyed the biggest "threat" to them, and the GTVA's best weapon.

[WMCoolmon]

Every time I hear the name, I think of an alternate name that was suggested by an ambitious HLP member:

"Their Idiotic Mistake"

[Mobius]

Because, when Britian's blitz was at its worst the Britons were at their best. As Chruchill said:

If the British Empire lasts for a thousand years, men will still say " This was their finest hour"

I think the same applies for the GTVA, And I also think the mission title was based on the above quote, hence the description on the wiki about the (infamous) mission needs to be changed.

The Allen & Unwin(the one who published JRRT's LotR) also published  a book called "Their Finest Hour", written by a British WWII pilot. I assume the title comes that quote from S-Churchill, but there might be something interesting in that book. Afterall, Singh found out that names given to missions and warships aren't that casual and are somewhat connected to the history of Britain.

[NGTM-1R]

How can it be GTVA's finest hour when they LOST THE COLOSSUS AND HAD TO ABORT THE MISSION ?

The mission's name means that the Shivans destroyed the biggest "threat" to them, and the GTVA's best weapon.

Forgive me, but you must have missed the whole heroic sacrifice part, so were you playing some other game?

[Snail]

So it wa the GTVA's finest hour when they lost their best ship?

[Dark Hunter]

The point was trying to make was that the Colossus's crew were great heroes for staying behind in a fight they couldn't win.

failed at actually making this point, IMO.

[Snail]

No that is not the point.

"Their Finest Hour" was a speech made by Winston S. Churchill after the loss of France to the Germans in WWII. Are you saying that the GTVA are Nazis and the Shivans are the British? Nah, I don't think so.

[Aardwolf]

Either Snail does not know the actual quote, or -Joshua- truncated the quote badly.

So which is it?

[Mustang19]

This subject is hard to argue about because "they" could mean anyone. Of course "they" could mean the Colossus crew, or "they" could be the Shivans. It's just a joke and I think that it should be kept up.

[Mobius]

Or someone separate. Mission names like "The Romans Blunder", "High Noon" and "The Sicilian Defense" aren't strictly connected to the events of the mission.

[Snail]

Either Snail does not know the actual quote, or -Joshua- truncated the quote badly.

What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisation. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."

Yep. Britain's Finest Hour, huh? With France gone and the Luftwaffe coming and all that? Yeah.

Another WWII reference was in the mission before Their Finest Hour, "Dunkerque," where a port was evacuated and then blown up.

[General Battuta]

Or someone separate. Mission names like "The Romans Blunder", "High Noon" and "The Sicilian Defense" aren't strictly connected to the events of the mission.

The Romans Blunder refers to the analogy of the NTF (Iceni, Boadicea) as Briton rebels against the Romans, i.e. the GTVA. In this mission the GTVA makes a mistake (i.e. letting Bosch escape.) Whether or not it's actually a mistake is up for debate.

High Noon is a term for a shootout, which is exactly what happens between the Colossus and Sathanas.

The Sicilian Defense is a chess maneuver, which ties into the metaphor of the end of the NTF/GTVA war as a chess game (note 'Endgame'.)

[Snail]

King's Gambit is also a chess maneuver apparently. Someone did an in-depth analysis of the names of the FS2 missions somewhere around here.

[Mobius]

The Romans Blunder refers to the analogy of the NTF (Iceni, Boadicea) as Briton rebels against the Romans, i.e. the GTVA. In this mission the GTVA makes a mistake (i.e. letting Bosch escape.) Whether or not it's actually a mistake is up for debate.

High Noon is a term for a shootout, which is exactly what happens between the Colossus and Sathanas.

The Sicilian Defense is a chess maneuver, which ties into the metaphor of the end of the NTF/GTVA war as a chess game (note 'Endgame'.)

Mission names are vague(especially in FS1). I can't figure out the connection between the Galatea, the Hellions and The Wheel of Fortune...just to give an example.

I think it's not the case to discuss about "Their" and what it might represent. simply wanted something cool.

[Snail]

That's silly to say that " just wanted something cool." That's just like saying "I can't be bothered to participate in this discussion and I'll post something stupid to make sure everyone knows."

But it seems obvious to me what the name "Their Finest Hour" means.

[Mobius]

That was an EPIC moment, choose an "equally" epic quote. That makes sense.

How many times mission designers pick up great names for their best missions?

[Snail]

But the fact that people think it's the GTVA/Allies' greatest hour surprises me because they had just lost the Colossus, their best ship/France, a valuable ally.

[Mobius]

It wasn't the finest hour of the Shivans, either. They weren't facing annihilation and the Colossus wasn't a threat!

[Jeff Vader]

But the Colossus was a nuisance that managed to take down a Sathanas. Surely it must've been great for the Shivans to make a decisive strike and destroy the mean green water gun once and for all.