[Mobius]

Cough cough, we've just said that we should avoid this kind of things...

And the Sathanas is able to launch plenties of fighters. Please don't give for sure that GTVA fighters can easily destroy them.

We need that Shivan Mod done. It's the only way to change mind

[karajorma]

But the shockwave was enough to kill most Terrans nad Vasudans.

Approx., The distance between:
- Sol and Capella is 43 light years
- Antares and Capella is 644 light years
- Sirius and Capella is 40 light years
- Procyon and Capella is 37 light years
- Aldebaran and Capella is 35 light years
- Altair and Capella is 52 light years
- Deneb and Capella is 0.9 Kpcs
- Ross 128 and Capella is 45 light years
- Alpha Centauri and Capella is 47 light years
- Regulus and Capella is 74 light years
- Delta Serpentis and Capella is 234 light years
- Beta Aquilae and Capella is 75 light years
- Betelgeuse and Capella is 394 light years
- Barnard Provenzano's Star is 47 light years
- Dubhe and Capella is 100 light years
- Wolf 359 and Capella is 43 light years
- Alphard and Capella is 173 light years
- Beta Cygni and Capella is 395 light years
- Vega and Capella is 51 light years
- Epsilon Pegasi and Capella is 680 light years
- Mirfak and Capella is 551 light years
- Polaris and Capella is 400 light years
- Gamma Draconis and Capella is 148 light years

Considering that the shockwave is enough to kill most life forms in a 200(or very close to it) light years radius...

Even Shivan forces still in Gamma Draconis would sustain losses. The shockwave needs time to reach all those systems, but...where are the Terran and Vasudan races going to escape? Antares, Betelgeuse, Epsilon Pegasi, Mirfak and Beta Cygni? And the Terrans still in Sol?

Except that this wasn't a standard supernova. Capella was induced to blow. We've got no idea how powerful the shockwave would be as a result.

[Mobius]

It was an accelerated process, it could be even more dangerous than a normal supernova.

In any case, all systems in a 50 ly radius from Capella would be devastated.

[Snail]

But the lack of infos regarding the Ancients in FS2 doesn't justify your low consideration of them.

Neither is there any proof that they were a super-power like the Shivans.

And that theory about the Shivan fleet of FS1 implies that there are two kinds of Cains, Liliths and Demons?

There may be. My theory states there could be hundreds of kinds of Cains, Liliths and Demons. Each Shivan fleet may have its own set of weapons. The Lucy's fleet used plasma weapons. The Sath fleet used beams. Another Shivan fleet could use Pokemon to destroy their enemies.

In the first two episodes of Colony Wars there were beams. They vanished in the third episode. No explanation, no need to waste time with theories.

For now, forget FreeSpace is a game. Think of FreeSpace as the universe.

One day, the Shivans don't have beams.

The next, they do.


Would you say, "Oh, whatever, we don't care. We'll just ignore it. "

In any case, all systems in a 50 ly radius from Capella would be devastated.

Yeah, but it would take a while for the shockwave to reach there.

[Mobius]

1) So? No proof they were so powerful and no proof they were weak. In media stat virtus

2) Basically, you're saying that the Shivans are divided in clans? I hard believe they have fleets with different sets of weapons.

3) You want to find an solution because you think about the game and not the universe. The presence of beams in FS1 doesn't make the difference in terms of plot.

4) So?

[Snail]

1) So? No proof they were so powerful and no proof they were weak. In media stat virtus

2) Basically, you're saying that the Shivans are divided in clans? I hard believe they have fleets with different sets of weapons.

3) You want to find an solution because you think about the game and not the universe. The presence of beams in FS1 doesn't make the difference in terms of plot.

4) So?

1) Huh?

2) I'm sure you've read this, but you're just ignoring me so you can boost your post count. Click

3) Think Mobius!!!

If it's in-universe, then you CANNOT ignore such things! Imagine that the Germans did not have nukes in WW1, then suddenly the Germans have them in WW2. Would you ignore it? NO!

4) So it doesn't matter to the GTVA at the time.

[Aphil]

Well if the GTVA Managed to get enough ships and flank the Saths from beinhd they MIGHT destroy 1 or 2 but 80? with its Fighter bays its near impossible (Well unless you use invincibllity)

[Snail]

The GTVA can't stand up to 80 Saths, period. Unless they have a new technology.

[Mobius]

2) I'm sure you've read this, but you're just ignoring me so you can boost your post count.

Meh. I will never forget your "Let's turn HLP into a chatroom" on MSN

3) Think Mobius!!!

If it's in-universe, then you CANNOT ignore such things! Imagine that the Germans did not have nukes in WW1, then suddenly the Germans have them in WW2. Would you ignore it? NO!

It's not the case to compare WWI and WWII German forces to the Shivans. As an old space power, the Shivans shouldn't change their fleet in about 25 years.

Now tell me why no one in FS2 says "Damn it, where did they get those beams?"

Shivan beams are too similar to their GTVA counterparts, but they're much better under many points of view(load time and damage). Looks like GTVA's beams in FS2 are the result of the study conducted on Great War era Shivan beam weaponry. The GTVA created beam cannons, but they're not as powerful as the original Shivan ones. Makes sense.

[Snail]

It's not the case to compare WWI and WWII German forces to the Shivans. As an old space power, the Shivans shouldn't change their fleet in about 25 years.

Now tell me why no one in FS2 says "Damn it, where did they get those beams?"

Shivan beams are too similar to their GTVA counterparts, but they're much better under many points of view(load time and damage). Looks like GTVA's beams in FS2 are the result of the study conducted on Great War era Shivan beam weaponry. The GTVA created beam cannons, but they're not as powerful as the original Shivan ones. Makes sense.

They didn't they; changed after thousands of years of isolation. Each fleet developed differently because they were presented with different circumstances.

They probably did, just not with the player.

You really hate FS1 canon, don't you. FS2 opening cinematic. No beam cannonsEXC3PT 4 TEH LUCYFS2 intelanims. No beam cannons. FS1 itself. NO BEAM CANNONS.

[Mobius]

In the first part of your post, you consider your theory a proved fact. It isn't.

I don't hate FS1 canon. I have only realized that FS1 has many bad features. The player isn't part of a squadron. How are you going to justify that?

"There were no squadrons in FS1, the GTVA came out with that idea after the Great War?"

Same thing for beam cannons. had a great idea, FreeSpace beams are the best ones I have ever seen. They added them without caring about FS1...they did the right thing.

[Snail]

In the first part of your post, you consider your theory a proved fact. It isn't.

Of course I don't think it's canon. For grammar's sake, and because I'm lazy, I don't want to start every single post with "in my theory..."

I don't hate FS1 canon. I have only realized that FS1 has many bad features. The player isn't part of a squadron. How are you going to justify that?

"There were no squadrons in FS1, the GTVA came out with that idea after the Great War?"

Alpha 1 was in the squadron, at least on the Bastion. He may have been the squadron leader since he gets the briefings straight from the CO (that may why he doesn't get a "welcome to the 53rd Hammerheads" command briefing).

Same thing for beam cannons. had a great idea, FreeSpace beams are the best ones I have ever seen. They added them without caring about FS1...they did the right thing.

Yes. FreeSpace rocks. But adding beams without caring about FS1... not the right thing. Spoils continuity. But the continuity can be restored.

I have to say that I think you hate FS1, and like FS2 too much... FS1 was great, and I don't think that everything that happened in FS2 can simply be "overridden" by FS2 canon without a single excuse.

[Kie99]

You really hate FS1 canon, don't you. FS2 opening cinematic. No beam cannons. FS2 intelanims. No beam cannons. FS1 itself. NO BEAM CANNONS.

Emphasis mine

[Snail]

Except for the Lucy.

You know what I meant, you're just trying to make me look stupid.

[Flipside]

As Snail says there were no GTVA beam cannons in Freespace, it is specifically mentioned when you are escorting the Lysander in fact, 'It's amazing we won the Great War, no Beam Cannon, no Flak, this time we'll really show those Shivans what firepower is all about'.. or words to that effect. That's from the horses mouth in Freespace 2.

As for the Shivans, once again no beams in-game, though it is interesting that no-one seemed surprised that they had them when they first started using them in FS2, however, had the FS1 Liliths and Cains had beams, the Great War would have been lost without a doubt.

[Polpolion]

The GTVA can't stand up to 80 Saths, period. Unless they have a new technology.

I like how you say "a new technology"

I can see it at the invention of the light bulbs, or any other display of a industrial revolution era invention: "omgf!! We has a technology now!!"




Anyway, the GTVA could fight Sathanas fleet in the same way that an Enrinyes fighter could fight 80 Seraphims.

[Snail]

Anyway, the GTVA could fight Sathanas fleet in the same way that an Enrinyes fighter could fight 80 Seraphims.

I wonder what would happen if the Seraphims were all player ships in a multiplayer co-op mission...

[Mobius]

Of course I don't think it's canon. For grammar's sake, and because I'm lazy, I don't want to start every single post with "in my theory..."



Alpha 1 was in the squadron, at least on the Bastion. He may have been the squadron leader since he gets the briefings straight from the CO (that may why he doesn't get a "welcome to the 53rd Hammerheads" command briefing).




Yes. FreeSpace rocks. But adding beams without caring about FS1... not the right thing. Spoils continuity. But the continuity can be restored.

I have to say that I think you hate FS1, and like FS2 too much... FS1 was great, and I don't think that everything that happened in FS2 can simply be "overridden" by FS2 canon without a single excuse.

1) But you should

2) It doesn't justify the complete lack of references to squadrons. In FS1 you disrupt McCarthy's operation in "Avenging Angels". That was the name of a squadron. But in FS2, the credit for that success goes to the 242nd Suicide Kings.

Answer me, the GTVA decided to divide its numerous fighters in squadrons only after the Great War?

3) I don't hate FS1. I played many series of games, I can tell you that developers don't care about the changes they make. Let's say that episode 2,3,4,[n] usually are different from the very first episode of the series, and programmers either stop considering the first episode or tell the fans that it isn't canon.

Ace Combat is one such series. The first game took place in a separate world and developers told the community that AC1 isn't canon. AC2, AC3, AC4, etc. etc. are connected each other. Scarface 1 of AC2 and Mobius 1 of AC4, for example, are connected each other in an incredible way. They both contributed to the creation of an AC canon that doesn't take in consideration AC1.

Too bad there's no FS3, I bet it would have maintained FS2's canon references with minimal changes(errors of the developers...). With FS3 and other FSs taking distance from FS1, your theories would be unacceptable. "Consider yourself...fortunate!"

By the way, it's the fourth time we turn HLP into a chatroom

As Snail says there were no GTVA beam cannons in Freespace, it is specifically mentioned when you are escorting the Lysander in fact, 'It's amazing we won the Great War, no Beam Cannon, no Flak, this time we'll really show those Shivans what firepower is all about'.. or words to that effect. That's from the horses mouth in Freespace 2.

That pilot was just paragunating GTVA's technologies with GTA and PVE technologies. I know, it could mean something like "At that time, they had beam cannons, shields and flak guns while we had less competitive weapons and protections", but we can't give it for sure

Except for the Lucy.

You know what I meant, you're just trying to make me look stupid.

One more thing...you say that the beams of the Lucifers are different from the others. They're, in fact, "Flux cannons". What if decided to change the name of the flux cannons to beam cannons in FS2?

Anyway, the GTVA could fight Sathanas fleet in the same way that an Enrinyes fighter could fight 80 Seraphims.

I wonder what would happen if the Seraphims were all player ships in a multiplayer co-op mission...

Exactly. I'd also like to see the player using an Astaroth and see if that fighter sucks in dogfights.

[Snail]

I don't get you sometimes.

I give you an entire plethora of reasons supporting my theories, but you seem to be so able to completely ignore them as if I never posted them. Truly unfathomable.

[Flipside]

I'm more than 50% convinced he's on a wind-up now