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Offline Stunaep

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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


In my opinion the only good jokes are that moron thingy and "freespace wants to sleep" in one of the table files.


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Originally posted by Stunaep


HKHM :headz: HKHM


You're starting to piss me off. :mad:

 

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You're starting to piss me off. :mad:



I was referring to the OTHER good joke from Volition.

Hey, its gotta be good, if it made the smiley list.
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Originally posted by CP5670
Lets see...

never-warp and allow-warp (break-warp/fix-warp do the same thing)
is-tagged (doesn't work and would do the same thing as has-been-tagged-delay)
is-iff (doesn't work)
ship-guardian/ship-no-guardian (basically the same thing as ship-invulnerable/ship-vulnerable)
error (really stupid operator)

That's about it. :D



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Offline CP5670

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I think we have a winner! Why on earth would you ever need to use that SEXP? Even in mission testing it would be far more sensible to put a message in its place saying ERROR. :D

I`ve found uses for never-warp and allow warp. They are very useful in missions where you want the player to make use of a jump node. You could probably base a mission around a broken jump drive and thereby make use of break-warp so it isn`t completely useless.

I agree with you about ship-guardian what's the point in a SEXP that prevents weapons from doing damage but stil lets you get blown up by explosions and the like.

I haven`t bothered with the others you mentioned so I guess they really are useless :D


Yeah, on second thought those warps might come in handy if the support ships can repair jump drives with one set of operators but not the other.

The other two actually crash the game when you try to use them (Volition didn't implement them properly), so they are pretty much useless.

I think debug rises high above them all though, since it is supposed to crash the game with an error message. I can just dream on about of all the possible uses of that. :p:D They went as far as to give debug its very own category as well. (it should be renamed to "pointless sexps" or something like that)

 

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other voliton jokes:
-volition bravos pirate ship
-heads in a tank in vasudan main hall (with the code of course)

 

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Originally posted by CP5670
I think debug rises high above them all though, since it is supposed to crash the game with an error message. I can just dream on about of all the possible uses of that. :p:D They went as far as to give debug its very own category as well. (it should be renamed to "pointless sexps" or something like that)


You do have to wonder if the guy who created that error didn`t realise that ALT-Tab works with FS2. Maybe they didn`t and wanted a quick way to get back to FRED :D
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The Geeks are hilarious. I must've watched that hundreds of times. :D You know it only just got hosted on FilePlanet? And it got 8000 downloads. :D
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I just downloaded summoner geeks after hearing about it here. *Wipes away tears of laughter*

I suppose it's even better if you`ve actually played summoner :)
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I know this thread is a bit old, but I just thought I'd mention that the Guardian SEXPs are not useless and do work, though they don't do what you'd probably expect. Guardian prevents a ship from being destroyed, not from being damaged. It can be damaged down to 1%, and can trigger things like the Traitor built in event. Invulnerable, by contrast, keeps a ship from being damaged at all so won't trigger the Traitor event. Also, is-iff seemed to work when I tried it. Didn't try comparing the two tag SEXPs. :)

Oh, almost forgot, I would agree that Error seems to be the most useless. I couldn't even get it to crash FS2.
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Orders doesn't work either.  But debug takes the cake for me.

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They all work when you make the event good.


:doubt:

If you can make orders or is-tagged to work, I'd greatly appreciate knowing how.;)
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Guardian prevents a ship from being destroyed, not from being damaged. It can be damaged down to 1%, and can trigger things like the Traitor built in event.


That would actually be very useful then; I have a number of places in my missions where I might be able to use that. Thanks for the advice. :)

 

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Order and is-tagged don't seem to work at all. Is-tagged may have been disabled/removed because it would seem to be redundent with the more robost has-been-tagged-delay. As far as order, it wouldn't work. Since the built in mission TSM104, which deals with communications and ordering other ships about, doesn't use order I figure it wasn't implimented.
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Originally posted by Setekh


The Geeks are hilarious.  


I agree with that one :nod:
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Originally posted by EdrickV
I know this thread is a bit old, but I just thought I'd mention that the Guardian SEXPs are not useless and do work, though they don't do what you'd probably expect. Guardian prevents a ship from being destroyed, not from being damaged. It can be damaged down to 1%, and can trigger things like the Traitor built in event. Invulnerable, by contrast, keeps a ship from being damaged at all so won't trigger the Traitor event. Also, is-iff seemed to work when I tried it. Didn't try comparing the two tag SEXPs. :)


That's one of the main reasons I posted this topic. I was wondering if the SEXP's I thought were useless actually did have a good reason for existing. I guess I`ll be using that one a little more often.
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is-iff did a wonderful job of crashing FS2 whenever I tried to use it.

Though I've been informed by EdrickV that using it in conjunction with is-destroyed-delay probably made it all screwy.  

Still, the months of infuriating irritation it caused makes it my most hated SEXP, and useless.

 

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I think beam-free-all is the most useless...as someone has stated, beams should be on by default :D
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Hey Shiva!

By the way...

is-iff
      -when
         -is-iff
           -Zeta 2
           -Hostile
         -crash
           -Freespace2
           -3
     
is-tagged
   
       -when
         -is-tagged
            -Red 4
            -3
         -screw up
            -Freespace 2
            -every time you use it

is-event-true-delay
 
         -when
           -is-event-true-delay
                -Beam free
                -3
            -add-goal
               -aichase-Alpha-one-all-over-map-firing-BFReds-atpoint-blank-range
           
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I've experimented with is-iff and have yet to get it to crash my FS2. If anyone has a mission (or can easily make one) where is-iff causes it to crash I'd be interested in seeing if it'll crash my FS2.
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What about jettison-cargo-delay. I've never seen that one used


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