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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 13, 2001, 04:53:00 pm: I am currently making an install program for Hidden Terror and my new campaign and hopefully for Venom's descent campaign and any future ones he does and the Inferno campaign aswell...I was just wondering if anyone else making a campaign woud also like to use it..if they would like more info on what it can do and its possibilities then please leave a message in the topic thanks

Avenger

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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Jabu on July 13, 2001, 06:25:00 pm: Nope, not really.
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 13, 2001, 07:06:00 pm: oh ok well u might change ur mind when i have finished it and people can use it
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 13, 2001, 07:54:00 pm: What features does it have?
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Setekh on July 13, 2001, 07:57:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009:
What features does it have?
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Darkage on July 14, 2001, 02:44:00 am: A food generator (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 14, 2001, 05:21:00 am: It's quite cool. you d/l just the prog, and when you launch it, it looks if there's a anew version of the mod/campaign whatever and then asks if you want to d/l it (if there's a new one of course)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 14, 2001, 11:53:00 am: ok i will list the features i am open to sujestions and i am willing to modify it to individual requests but if you think i have missed something major or it would be cool to have something then please tell me

1)It will download an install data file this contains all the locations of the files that need to be downloaded and when the campaign was last updated it also contains a few other things needed by the program.
2)It will check with your currently installed version (if you have one) and compare what is on the install data file and if there is a difference in last update date then it will goto the next stage.
3)3 different install options
A)Basic Install (You could set this to basic components only like ships/interface and missions)
B)Full Install (This would usually be everything that is for the campaign like the basic install + music etc but this is obvious i think)
C)Custom Install (choose the components that you want to download for instance you accidently lost the table files and dont want to have to download the whole thing again or you downloaded the basic install last time and now u want to upgrade to full you can choose the components that you were missing)

4)It can be changed to any colour scheme at the momment i use black background and lime text to give it the technical feel but you could have it set to pink with yellow text if you felt that way inclinded lol)

5)It will but does not yet feature resumable downloads, i will put this in only if i have enough time to sit down and code a few hundred lines of text. If someone really wants it then i will do it.

6)Monitor how many times each file is downloaded. I.e setup a script download script to monitor how many times the files are downloaded you can have this set to general where it will see how many times the install data file is downloaded or specific where it will monitor all the files

7)It is not so much a feature of this program but another program i am going to make to accompany it and that is a program that will automatically generate the install data files so that you can spend your time doing what you want.

If you feel the program could do with some other features then please tell me and also if anyone knows ahow to get rid of and aching little finger and index finger then please post that 2 - Avenger

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Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Slanker on July 14, 2001, 02:35:00 pm: yeah, and it doesn´t feature an exit option (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 14, 2001, 02:40:00 pm: yea but u have to realise it ent finished yet that is why the topic states Under development (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) and i only gave it you to download the project - rebellion mods (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/spam.gif)

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Slanker on July 14, 2001, 02:44:00 pm: But... er... it doesn´t have an exit option yet (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 14, 2001, 02:46:00 pm: it does now

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Sandwich on July 14, 2001, 04:10:00 pm: This suggestion brought to you by a hater of QuickTime's inability to save downloaded files locally (at least not very easily...)

I think you should give the option of saving the downloaded package locally in addtion to downloading it. Also, if you don't want to code the resumable portion, offer to display the URL(s) of the file(s) to be downloaded so that it can be pasted into GetRight or something that DOES support resume.

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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 14, 2001, 04:19:00 pm: i see where you are going this would be one way that it can be done and so you could have 2 ways or more even..showing the url would be an option available to the people who i am editing the program for. but it is not the coding that bothers me it is finding a new component that will do the download at the momment my program is programmed to work with a specific set of protocals like onprogress and oncomplete changing the component would me i would have to redo this and change all code relating to these procedures or protocals.

Thanks for the sujestion and i will add it as an option for if anyone wants to have it.

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 14, 2001, 04:54:00 pm: ok i just wanted to say aswell having a resume option is ok but what about when you are updating the files will become corrupted if they are resumed

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Sandwich on July 15, 2001, 06:16:00 am: That's why it should use the CRC - don't ask me how, cause I only know about it from ZIP and ARJ, but if the CRC of the original file that is being resumed is different from the CRC of the (updated) file on the server, the download should start from the beginning.

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"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 15, 2001, 06:34:00 am: That is all verywell saying that but i have no idea of how that works what i could do i suppose is work of file size? like also included in the install data file is a list of the exact file sizes?? also the install program is finished well for version 1 i will keep updating it tho and so now all i have to do is make the application to make the ini files and an application to install the files and remove and table files that were already installed to a temporary directory and add a few more features which i have stored in my head which are to complex to type

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Starwing on July 17, 2001, 04:43:00 am: If it checks the version number of the installed file for available updates, why not store the version number of a partially downloaded file and compare it with the version number of the file on the server before resuming the download? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 17, 2001, 06:24:00 am: the possibilites are quite endless for checking it so yea i think it can be done but not right now i will add it later because i am still making the other parts of the program so i will do it afterwards

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2001, 07:46:00 pm: stop stepping on my utils
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: DragonClaw on July 19, 2001, 09:15:00 pm: Kazan I haven't heard of any installation programs done by you....

Anyway I'm sure Avenger's is of higher quality, its really cool (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 20, 2001, 07:52:00 am: Thanks DC (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
i would just like to point out the following things..this is a free country well it is where i am i dunno about you kazan....i dont want this topic to get owned but i would like to say the following things if i want to make something that is better than another application namely your installer then i can and you cannot stop me! If the program is worse than yours then people will use your application without a doubt and if mine is better than yours then people will likely use mine....you cannot have a monopoly on the scene and preventing other people from using other peoples programs..if no-one tried to better previous applications we would all be playing PONG or space invaders on windows 3.1 !! so in order to force people to improve there applications you need people to try and make applications that are better than ones previously made! So please kazan stop telling me not to step on your apps as people have said what they really think of your applications and if i needed to i could use quotes but i dont think it will need to go that far

Here are 2 pics one you will know is of kazans install program and one is of my launcher program out of a series of 3 apps i am making to act as a complete download package ok.

KAZANS INSTALLER
(http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/venompics/kazan.jpg)
AVENGERS LAUNCHER
(http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/venompics/myinstall.jpg)

Now tell me what one do u like?

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")

[This message has been edited by The Avenger (edited 07-20-2001).]

[This message has been edited by The Avenger (edited 07-20-2001).]
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 20, 2001, 07:55:00 am: credit goes to ace for the graphics

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Styxx on July 20, 2001, 09:23:00 am: It is looking really good, indeed. Nice job!

And I don't think there's space for only one installer program for campaigns on this community. In fact, I think the more, the better. And if Avenger's program inspires Kazan to do something better, then even better for the community.

[This message has been edited by Styxx (edited 07-20-2001).]
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 20, 2001, 09:39:00 am: there should not be monopolys in FreeSpace2

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 20, 2001, 01:02:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by The Avenger:
there should not be monopolys in FreeSpace2

Monopolies are bad... Mmmmkay?

Sorry, I couldn't resist the Mr. Macky crap (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 20, 2001, 01:25:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by RKIF-DragonClaw:
Kazan I haven't heard of any installation programs done by you....

Derelict, warzone, Twilight, unholy alliance and The Babylon Project install with it
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 20, 2001, 01:28:00 pm: Oh.. you gave it a pretty interface... PFFT

special. I keep my interfaces short sweet and to the point if you didn't notice.

Right now i dont have time but i could kick your arse programming. Now step off my field of play with your Visual Basic skills.. go learn a real programming language [ie C++] and come back and then write programs.

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Two: I doubt if i approached you in a civil manner you would agree tothe standardizations i would want you to make to make it so only one Package Manager would be needed.
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Fantomeye on July 20, 2001, 01:30:00 pm: Watch it Kazzy
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Black Ace on July 20, 2001, 01:39:00 pm: Yes, what he said... see, now you have the admins flocking to this thread, so tread softly, both of you...

We are not here to 1-up each other. It's not a competition. Kazan's is ugly, but we know it works. Avengers is pretty, but we have yet to see if it works. Everyone's got their skills, and this site is for unifying those skills into an overall goal. So play nice... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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These detonators were a piece of junk! I even followed the directions... - Lt. Commander Snipes - Special Operations Command
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Ace on July 20, 2001, 01:42:00 pm: A while back I asked Kazan to do a custom installer for some projects, after being given an answer to the effect of "I don't do programming for people, so pay me money, NOW" I looked for someone who could do an easy to do installer.

Avenger made some requests, but his utilities have a lot of promise.

Edit: In the end I did use the default installer he did for Twilight, but I was rather disappointed that he couldn't find time to even add a small image to customize it.

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Staff member FreeSpace Watch
http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/ ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/")

[This message has been edited by Ace (edited 07-20-2001).]
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 20, 2001, 01:48:00 pm: I said i don't make customizations without being paid - if you cannot handle a generic interface either cough up cash or live with it.

A generally don't make professional interfaces for free either, but i may break my rule here
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 20, 2001, 01:54:00 pm: oh as for his interface

Bitmap Data files for background and buttons

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draw procedure [all instructions take almost no time so human eye cannot see them]

Draw Background bitmap it

Tell Image Buttons to draw themselves

wammo (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

the ***** are image buttons...
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 20, 2001, 02:10:00 pm: i use a more powerful package other than vb i use delphi more powerful than vb but less than c++ i have made a few apps for fs2 goto my website at www.avengershome.co.uk ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk") and have a look

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 20, 2001, 03:02:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Kazan:
stop stepping on my utils

You're on the good way to become the FS2 Bill Gates... And I look at how Windows is "great", and I'm afraid...
Avenger installer works fine, I tested it. And it's simple and easy to use. When I tried to unstall unholly alliance, it f***ed up. That's my two cents,
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Black Ace on July 20, 2001, 04:02:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506:
You're on the good way to become the FS2 Bill Gates... And I look at how Windows is "great", and I'm afraid...
Avenger installer works fine, I tested it. And it's simple and easy to use. When I tried to unstall unholly alliance, it f***ed up. That's my two cents,

*glares at venom*

And Kazan, do NOT reply to this...

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Creator / Project Coordinator: The Perfect Storm ("http://www.3dap.com/hlp/tps/")
TPS Forums Page - Click Here ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=The+Perfect+Storm&number=15")
Think you've got killer vocal cords? Voice actors needed! Email me @ [email protected]

These detonators were a piece of junk! I even followed the directions... - Lt. Commander Snipes - Special Operations Command
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 20, 2001, 06:49:00 pm: thankyou for supporting me in my time of need lol

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: DragonClaw on July 20, 2001, 09:21:00 pm: no prob (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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-Fleet Admiral of The Ancients Armada ("http://ancientsarmada.cjb.net/")

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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 20, 2001, 10:06:00 pm: ~~Click HERE~~ This is the demo of the demo of tBE if you understand me....so this is an unfinished version of the tBE launcher it has the audio images all it does not do is launch freespace 2 and install the campaign. I heardby forwarn you that i do not take any responsablity that the program may cause to yours or anyones computer i say this not to detur you but i have not finished and fully tested it so it may either crash or freeze but hopefully i have made it well enough not to do that

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")

[This message has been edited by The Avenger (edited 07-22-2001).]
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Ace on July 21, 2001, 02:29:00 am: I had a few nitpicks which I ICQed over, but it's good and solid so far other then my few opinions and suggestions.

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Ace
Staff member FreeSpace Watch
http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/ ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 21, 2001, 04:45:00 am: yea i got them i have decided to trash my old idea and just have a basic and full and imbed it into the launcher

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: aldo_14 on July 21, 2001, 06:54:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Ace:
I had a few nitpicks which I ICQed over, but it's good and solid so far other then my few opinions and suggestions.

Yeah, Avenger shown me it as well and it's top quality stuff...

not sure about the music though... it's a bit cheesy (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) in my opinion
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 21, 2001, 07:22:00 am: take that up with ace please not me..lol i just am just making the program all extra features like pictures and audio etc are not my problem

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 21, 2001, 07:33:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Black Ace:
*glares at venom*

What, I have something stuck on the face? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
okok, my post was pointless and quite injurious, so I ask Kazan to accept my sincere apologizes. Real life pbs kindda make made me on the nerves this night, and that shouldn't happen on a public forum. Mea Culpa.
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 21, 2001, 07:48:00 am: i graciously accept your grovelling plea for forgivness......lol hehehehe

Now....what about the awacs?

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: DragonClaw on July 21, 2001, 11:39:00 am: uh?

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-Fleet Admiral of The Ancients Armada ("http://ancientsarmada.cjb.net/")

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Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 21, 2001, 12:20:00 pm: nevermind simple minds get easily confused ay dragonclaw?

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 21, 2001, 12:24:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by The Avenger:
nevermind simple minds get easily confused ay dragonclaw?

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 21, 2001, 03:41:00 pm: i thought so to

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 21, 2001, 03:45:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by RKIF-DragonClaw:
uh?

Quote
Originally posted by Setekh:
You really don't do your homework, do you? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) Here is the guide to posting again...

1. Think
2. Post

Wait, here it is again...

1. Think
2. Post

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 21, 2001, 03:46:00 pm: (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) hehehe

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: DragonClaw on July 21, 2001, 06:22:00 pm: Now I KNOW[/i] how Snipes spams

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-Fleet Admiral of The Ancients Armada ("http://ancientsarmada.cjb.net/")

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The fear always controls our attitude, let us fear no more!
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 05:53:00 am: are you going to take note to improve your spamming techniques dragonclaw?

Please keep on topic

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 22, 2001, 06:21:00 am: mmh, this time I wonder which one is the more ridiculous, tho...
DC, or Snipes who posts the same quote 6 times everywhere in HLP...
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Setekh on July 22, 2001, 06:39:00 am: I'm quite impressed. So much so that I'm making the new graphics for the P-R demo installer... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 07:04:00 am: thankyou

if anyone would like to help with project rebellion please drop me an email

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2001, 09:02:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506:
mmh, this time I wonder which one is the more ridiculous, tho...
DC, or Snipes who posts the same quote 6 times everywhere in HLP...

Don't make me use it on you too!!!
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Black Ace on July 22, 2001, 09:48:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
Don't make me use it on you too!!!

*Drops in from above, giving Snipes a warning eye*

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Staff Member, Hard Light Productions ("http://www.3dap.com/hlp")
Creator / Project Coordinator: The Perfect Storm ("http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tps/")
TPS Forums Page - Click Here ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=The+Perfect+Storm&number=15")
Think you've got killer vocal cords? Voice actors needed! Email me @ [email protected]

These detonators were a piece of junk! I even followed the directions... - Lt. Commander Snipes - Special Operations Command
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2001, 10:27:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Black Ace:
*Drops in from above, giving Snipes a warning eye*

Is that the Hindenburgh?!

*runs*
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: ZylonBane on July 22, 2001, 11:27:00 am: Okay, I HAVE to ask this... why is everyone writing custom installers for their campaigns, instead of someone just writing a single unified campaign manager?

Look at the Thief games. Looking Glass released their level editor (DromEd), but the games don't have any sort of "Load Mission" button... meaning the only way to load FMs (Fan Missions) was to manually juggle files back and forth... sound familiar?

So, someone in the Thief community stepped forth and wrote DarkLoader:

Basically DarkLoader allows FMs to be distributed as simple ZIP files containing all the new sound/graphics/etc directory data. When you choose to activate a mission, DarkLoader clears the way for the new mission (and even ZIPs up the moved files to save space!), then unZIPs the mission files into place.

Now why can't we have something this simple?
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2001, 11:28:00 am: Avengers is going to be like that, no? I was under that impression, and Avenger has already made a campaign manager too...
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 22, 2001, 12:01:00 pm: I have a campaign manager and a installer that couple togeather.. im working with avenger to have his installer couple with my manager
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 12:04:00 pm: yea that is true i just need to find out a few details
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2001, 12:19:00 pm: Ah. you two are finally getting along. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 12:27:00 pm: BARELY!

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Black Ace on July 22, 2001, 12:28:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Kazan:
im working with avenger

Now isn't that sweet?? How cute... Just look at those two, will ya? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Staff Member, Hard Light Productions ("http://www.3dap.com/hlp")
Creator / Project Coordinator: The Perfect Storm ("http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tps/")
TPS Forums Page - Click Here ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=The+Perfect+Storm&number=15")
Think you've got killer vocal cords? Voice actors needed! Email me @ [email protected]

These detonators were a piece of junk! I even followed the directions... - Lt. Commander Snipes - Special Operations Command
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 12:35:00 pm: please no please NO i am not joking ! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 22, 2001, 01:28:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
Ah. you two are finally getting along. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Quote
Originally posted by The Avenger:
BARELY!

I keep kicking him square in the *** for not listening to me about how to do things to make it easier for the end-developer to change the appearance/settings of his program and he wont listen

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There are times in our lives when everything crystallizes and truths become evident, he has entered one of these times.
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Alliance Productions ("http://alliance.sourceforge.net")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 01:45:00 pm: i do it just does not seem feasable to my brain at the momment

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2001, 02:44:00 pm: You two should work together more often. The arguements are funny (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 22, 2001, 02:57:00 pm: we are we are currently working on a joint effort to make everyone fs2 users life easier..i will speak to kazan if we shall spread the word about what it is about.

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 22, 2001, 06:46:00 pm: I think I know what it is about (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Kazan on July 22, 2001, 09:51:00 pm: yep, that's right, we're going to kill you venom (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Daedalus on July 23, 2001, 01:13:00 am: (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)Welcome to the HLP BB ZylonBane!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif)

Had to do it. Sorry to make you feel like a newb. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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The Perfect Storm
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/tps/
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Setekh on July 23, 2001, 05:44:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
Don't make me use it on you too!!!

What have I done... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 23, 2001, 06:31:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kazan:
yep, that's right, we're going to kill you venom (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Butbutbut! Why are people so cruuuuuuuel (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
I don't care, I'll be the first to try that, eh, Avenger? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) ( don't forget I paid you (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) )
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 23, 2001, 07:03:00 am: yea i dunno yet it is a JOINT effort between me and kazan so...anything has to be decided between the 2 of us (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Taristin on July 23, 2001, 10:01:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506:
( don't forget I paid you (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) )

There was a monetary exchange here?! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) For shame.... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: The Avenger on July 23, 2001, 01:40:00 pm: so much money flows between us that it is hard to keep track of it all! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)

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Guitar players when they were young played with tennis rackets...do young tennis players practice with guitars??
Avengers Home Page (Thats me!) ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk")
Hidden Terror Website ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")

FreeSpace 2 Campaign Manager ("http://lancelot.legendjsm.net/mellis/campaign.exe")
Project - Rebellion Homepage ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellion.html")
Title: Install program underdevelopment
Post by: Nico on July 23, 2001, 06:36:00 pm: (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)