[pyro-manic]

That's the chap! It's his GTD Hera - I found the thread as well:

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28140.0.html

[Taristin]

Yeah, but that's not a Hades, it's a Hera...

[pyro-manic]

I said Hades-esque, not Hades.

The Hades itself is overly blocky, it's turrets are placed very badly, it hasn't got enough of them, it has manky textures, etc etc. It could be done a lot better. As nobody has yet, the Hera is the closest thing to it that is good.

[Mad Bomber]

I dunno. The 66-turret one that I have certainly is nothing to sneeze at.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
I said Hades-esque, not Hades.

The Hades itself is overly blocky, it's turrets are placed very badly, it hasn't got enough of them, it has manky textures, etc etc. It could be done a lot better. As nobody has yet, the Hera is the closest thing to it that is good.

Hera however, doesn't display or better yet, exploit the logical concept of the Hades design.

It's just Hades...modelled a bit better, and thrown out of the FreeSpace universe with its non-conforming design.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by karajorma
Since this isn't an actual campaign he actually stands a chance. HLP isn't full in terms of space. They stopped accepting new campaigns in the hope that it meant the old ones would get finished.

From the corner, kara takes the shot and gets it in one.

[JoeLo]

Strange I was at first flamed for making this topic, but its still on the front page.

[TrashMan]

I'd like to see Hades vs. Lucifer

[Boomer]

I think that the problem with the Hades was the lack of purpose.

It wasn't designed with any real role in mind other than to incorporate Shivan and Terran Technology.  I would like to see the Hades redesigned with a real purpose.  

Would be nice if it weren't so blocky though....

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by JoeLo
Strange I was at first flamed for making this topic, but its still on the front page.

You were flamed unfairly IMO.  So I deleted the flames and reopened the thread.  Now it's grown into a good discussion.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Boomer
I think that the problem with the Hades was the lack of purpose.

It wasn't designed with any real role in mind other than to incorporate Shivan and Terran Technology.  I would like to see the Hades redesigned with a real purpose.  

Considering the Hades was essentially a Lucifer remake, I think it had a very clear purpose: kill stuff in mass quantity and thus ensure the victory of GTI over all comers.

It also would have had the Lucifer's orbital bombardment capablity as well, which ought to obviate the need for sustained ground invasions. This is probably important to GTI, as it seems doubtful they maintain a standing army that's even a fraction of a percentage of the size of the GTA's or VPE's own ground forces.

[Boomer]

Considering the Hades was essentially a Lucifer remake, I think it had a very clear purpose: kill stuff in mass quantity and thus ensure the victory of GTI over all comers.

If it was a Lucifer remake, it sure doesn't live up to the reputation of it's predecessor.  All it took was a couple bombs to disable it and it didn't even have enough turrets to defend itself.  Hell, it couldn't even harm the GTC Orff if it didn't have a fighter escort!

[Nuclear1]

Had the beam cannons been online and if blob turrets were any threat in FS1, then the Hades could very well have torched the Orff with no problem at all, bomber/fighter escort and all.

The Hades seems to be a little underappreciated simply because of the crappy way it was introduced in ST: it appeared in one mission and then sat around while players slipped into the crevices, duct-taped the joystick, and went off for lunch. Had it been used to any effectiveness, say, over a series of missions involving chasing it down and eventually destroying it, then it would have been a much more impressive ship. With a little reskin (or remodelling), it would have been more visually impressive, and, with better FS2-implemented (not era--just in the style of Sandwich CapShipTurretUp and beam cannons) weapons, then it would have been much more of an adversary than just a docking station for swarms of Lokis and the occassional anti-fighter missile launch.

[Boomer]

I agree whole heartedly with that.

Presentation is a big part of it, but I still think they should have put more thought into the model.....  Oh God, Not again!

*Rushes off to begin new project when he hasn't even finished his current project*

[Goober5000]

Just wait for Silent Threat: Reborn.

[Cobra]

(yes, i'm back, after my friggin' comp had a brush with death)

[JoeLo]

Currently I am working on a mission where the Hades fights a series of cap ships in this order.
Aten
Mentu
Fenris
Leviathan
Demios
Sobek
Hecate
Orion
Typhon
Hacuepsat
Lucifer
Dies at a Collusus
I might have to "Cycle" the Hades after three or so ships. I have almost no expiernce at FREDing, (other than [V] walkthrough) so it might suck but what ever.

[Boomer]

Hacuepsat

Hatshepsut!

Someone needs to make an "I can't spell Hatshepsut" smiley.  Seriously.

[Taristin]

Gah! Learn to spell!

[pyro-manic]

Heheh. Thing is, there's no consistency in the mis-spelling of the word, so it'd be hell to rig the forum to display it. "Hacuepsat" is possibly the best I've seen yet, though...