[foolfromhell]

Where did those Sathanas go in the end of FS2? If they made a jump within the system, they would have been obliterated. If they did want to be obliterated, they would have stayed with the other 4 Sathanases. I think they made a inter-system jump without a node. Meaning they can still return.

[ShivanSpS]

mmm no, well, thier could jump as far as they can avoiding the shockwave for several hours, maybe days, them jump back to the gamma draconis jump node.

[Sarafan]

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You're the third that I kill.
As for the Sats, I dont know but what ShivanSpS says might be true, I guess not even the shivans would waste some many capital ships like that. But then again, if that was what happened, wouldnt the other shivan forces do the same? It's clearly show that they keep fighting the GTVA even with the nova going.

[IceFire]

I think most of us assume that by destroying the star they were able to open up a new subspace node at the same time and took advantage of that.  I think most of us assume that their actions was not in response to powering up a new weapon or even bothering with the GTVA at all.  They pretty much ignored the Terrans and Vasudans.  So I'm pretty sure their motives were elsewhere.

We knew a few things about what FS3 was going to be like. Dave Baranec, back in the days of the VBB came in and tossed us a few ideas...ships that affected gameplay like a planetary surface and a realization that the Shivans were only part of a much larger problem.  Be that problem natural or another species or something like that.  The problem may be subspace itself.  The problem may be us traveling it.  Its hard to say.

[Sarafan]

Well, it doesnt matter that much where they went but please, feel free to do a new campaign with at least 50 missions, a complete storyline, new ships and weapons just to show what you think that happens with them.

[Dark Hunter]

Where did those Sathanas go in the end of FS2? If they made a jump within the system, they would have been obliterated. If they didnt want to be obliterated, they would have stayed with the other 4 Sathanases. I think they made a inter-system jump without a node. Meaning they can still return.

You are by far not the first guy to ask that question. The fact is: no one knows.

Here's my question that's been ask 39752057984029 times already: if Volition's never gonna make FS3, what's wrong with letting us at HLP know what they were gonna do? Seems a shame to let their brilliant story go to waste.

[Nuclear1]

Well, it doesnt matter that much where they went but please, feel free to do a new campaign with at least 50 missions, a complete storyline, new ships and weapons just to show what you think that happens with them.

Bad Sarafan! *smites*

[Charismatic]

Seems a shame to let their brilliant story go to waste.

2nd'ed.

I beleive the Shivans may not be as far ahead in technology as we think. They developed Beam weapons not long after fs1, when we copied them.
I think its their new experimental weapon. That and the fact it took near 100 sathanis' to do it (blow up a star) signifies that they arnt soo far advanced. or it would have took less, by far, most likely.

"Why a weapon?" Well, they took out a whole bloody planet, and not just 'rendered it unhabital' (that could one day hold life again) but totally destroyed it. Not only did they kill people, take a habitable planet away, but they took the planets resources as well. Its supplies, metals, minerals, etc. A planet is a great loss, but they also took a big loss to do so. Whats a few ships to a planet? Seems they only had one Lucifer, their next best was the sathi.

[pecenipicek]

Here's my question that's been ask 39752057984029 times already: if Volition's never gonna make FS3, what's wrong with letting us at HLP know what they were gonna do? Seems a shame to let their brilliant story go to waste.

There is a slight chance that they might be able to dig out the license from Interplay and make a proper FS3. [/hypothetical]

[Colonol Dekker]

That was just mean........never talk of this again  @ official FS3

[aldo_14]

Seems a shame to let their brilliant story go to waste.

2nd'ed.

I beleive the Shivans may not be as far ahead in technology as we think. They developed Beam weapons not long after fs1, when we copied them.
I think its their new experimental weapon. That and the fact it took near 100 sathanis' to do it (blow up a star) signifies that they arnt soo far advanced. or it would have took less, by far, most likely.

"Why a weapon?" Well, they took out a whole bloody planet, and not just 'rendered it unhabital' (that could one day hold life again) but totally destroyed it. Not only did they kill people, take a habitable planet away, but they took the planets resources as well. Its supplies, metals, minerals, etc. A planet is a great loss, but they also took a big loss to do so. Whats a few ships to a planet? Seems they only had one Lucifer, their next best was the sathi.

That's not true; we don't know when the Shivans developed beams, only when they were first seen by the GTVA.  Because of the Shivans' murky motives, for all we know they ramp up the level of weaponry they use in proportion to the strength of the enemy; for a primitive TV war era foe they kill planets, for a more advanced FS2 era enemy they kill stars, etc.  Beams negate the Lucifers' shields, so they leave them behind, etc.  Plus, for all we know the Sathani were a refugee or colony fleet rather than out-and-out warships.

It strikes me, too, that 80 Sathani to blow up a star is rather impressive; it is a star, after all; that's a level of power massively above anything hinted at before in FS1 or 2.  Moreso, we don't know if the Shivans intended to destroy it, or if that was a side-effect.  We don't know, either, if the Shivans did (intend to) create a 'supernode'; was it an exit...or entry?

That's the beauty of it, of course.  It's completely wide open.

[Polpolion]

they could have jumped, and stayed in subspace until the blast was over, then  exited.

[Sarafan]

When they exited subspace then the radiation on the site would kill all of them.

[Charismatic]

Yeah maby they did not intend for the star to blow, maby just a accident in a experiment. They did loose many ships. Maby the sathi were really fighting another enemy or soemthing, and needed somethign from the capella star to fight em.

Meh. I still hold true to my beleif, stated in last post tho.

[Dark Hunter]

That's probably the closest explanation, given 's cryptic remark about Shivans being the "symptoms of a much greater problem."

[TrashMan]

Where did those Sathanas go in the end of FS2? If they made a jump within the system, they would have been obliterated. If they didnt want to be obliterated, they would have stayed with the other 4 Sathanases. I think they made a inter-system jump without a node. Meaning they can still return.

Thy got tagged.
They couldn't jump out of the system just like that. You need a node from that and they were far away from it when the star blew.  A Supernova would destroy EVERYTHING inside a system and then continue expanding, eventually covering dozens ,even hunderds of light years in a nubula.

Or they made some super jump to god-knows-where. Those that were left (more than 4, the camer was showing jsut  few saths) were certanly fried.

[aldo_14]

Yeah maby they did not intend for the star to blow, maby just a accident in a experiment. They did loose many ships. Maby the sathi were really fighting another enemy or soemthing, and needed somethign from the capella star to fight em.

Meh. I still hold true to my beleif, stated in last post tho.

The 'Capella-as-whoopsy' arguement, which not being in any way provably wrong, does remove a bit of the 'magic' from the story though.

[karajorma]

Thy got tagged.
They couldn't jump out of the system just like that. You need a node from that and they were far away from it when the star blew.  A Supernova would destroy EVERYTHING inside a system and then continue expanding, eventually covering dozens ,even hunderds of light years in a nubula.

Or they made some super jump to god-knows-where. Those that were left (more than 4, the camer was showing jsut  few saths) were certanly fried.

Or they made an in-system jump to Capella H's vicinity and used nodes around that to escape.

Personally I doubt had the astronomical knowledge to come up with that as a viable explaination but Capella's red dwarfs are 63 light days away from the rest of the system. For all we know the Shivans jump engines may be good enough to reach that far with an in-system jump.

Hell for that matter the GTVA's engines may be good enough. What the limits of an in-system jump are was never actually mentioned.

[foolfromhell]

Thy got tagged.
They couldn't jump out of the system just like that. You need a node from that and they were far away from it when the star blew.  A Supernova would destroy EVERYTHING inside a system and then continue expanding, eventually covering dozens ,even hunderds of light years in a nubula.

Or they made some super jump to god-knows-where. Those that were left (more than 4, the camer was showing jsut  few saths) were certanly fried.

Or they made an in-system jump to Capella H's vicinity and used nodes around that to escape.

Personally I doubt had the astronomical knowledge to come up with that as a viable explaination but Capella's red dwarfs are 63 light days away from the rest of the system. For all we know the Shivans jump engines may be good enough to reach that far with an in-system jump.

Hell for that matter the GTVA's engines may be good enough. What the limits of an in-system jump are was never actually mentioned.

I think i read somewhere that intra-system jumps needed intense gravity field. Maybe stronger the gravity, farther you can jump? Maybe thats why they went so close to the Sun

[WMCoolmon]

Oh dear.