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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: FreespacePilot2010 on February 15, 2010, 06:05:23 pm
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I found some interesting BSG models.There for orbiter but they may close to the quality your looking for.There are a few orbiter model converters out there.
I dont know if the author would let you use them or not.Theres been no updates for a while.
A somewhat better looking low poly MK1 Viper than the old FS2 tos mod.
(http://www.yankeeclippersmobile.com/Orbiter/ViperMkI.gif)
Heres the oddest looking BSG ship ive ever seen.Its not cannon but seems to be what would have happened if the Colonials had reversed engineered a cylon raider and made there own hybrid fighter.
(http://yankeeclippersmobile.com/Orbiter/Fleet/pics/Raider1.gif)
The old BSG model isnt for download on that site but this pic should add support for my prototype idea.See how similar they look?
(http://www.yankeeclippersmobile.com/Orbiter/TOSBSIG.gif)
Heres the download page.
http://yankeeclippersmobile.com/forum/index.php?topic=112.0 (http://yankeeclippersmobile.com/forum/index.php?topic=112.0)
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Those look ugly, IMHO, and not really detailed compared to the output the Diaspora team has shown us here.
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I think thats because orbiter cant handle as much detail as the Freespace2 open engine.But I thought that raider was the most weird and unique BSG based model ive seen so far.Anywhere.
I also so wish they would put space combat in Orbiter
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Heres another BSG low quality ship model I found.Its for starfleet command.
(http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/images/b/ba81dcac2f01bc7e57bc7b4ad9d580e6.jpg)
Heres where I found it.http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/browse.php?race=BSG&page=1
Theres a lot more low poly BSG models there.Mabey what you could do is modify them to make them higher detailed for use in Diaspora.
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I think the team will build their own models, because editing/ modifing/ fixing and converting an existing mesh can be as time consuming like building a new one from scratch.
Those models there simply aren't build for a Spacesim where you can fly very close to the big ones. They may look good in their respective games, but they would look...unfinished... in FSO.
EDIT: The Raider is probably the most awkward BSG ship i've ever seen. :P
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There's also a few models out there for X-Plane, though the level of detail you're looking for won't be there in a long shot. For example, there's a few smaller Battlestars based on the nBSG designs, but you'd need to do A LOT of work to get them up to par.
However, there is a TOS Viper (Viper Mk.1) with a 3D cockpit - I could post some screens if you want. Note that the cockpit is actually based on the Viper Mk.2's cockpit, so you wouldn't get something as old-school as seen in the original show.
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Is it a viper your working on for Diaspora?Or one for download from another site?
The models I like the most are the non cannon designs.Especially ones that mix old with new like a new version of the defender or gunstar.And if you have the MK1 Viper eventually in game it should have an inside cockpit design similar to the MK2 since the MK2 is really just a refit of the MK1.
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No, the TOS Viper (or something really close to it) was seen in the re-imagined series.
Here's a link:
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=7304
This is NOT a good shot - I can post an image of the cockpit when I get home.
Also, it's not mine (though I did make an improvement for it for X-Plane 8)...
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Thanks but I dont have XPLANE.I thought id put up the only time the MK1 was ever shown in BSG.I cant find a better quality pic.
(http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/1/19/Vipertos.jpg)
Just for fun.The old Basestars in Razor.
(http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/8/8e/Tauron.png)
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Oh.. not again :)
Hi, thanks, we've been offered old models from other mods before and the answer is always the same. They don't cut it standard - wise, getting them up to snuff would be about as much work as build them from scratch, so no we can't use them and please don't offer any more. That doesn't mean we won't look at work done by prospectives, just that we'll never use models from old mods just because someone dug them up. Thanks.
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I saw that sometimes ago.
But orbiter is a very difficult simulator.
Nice models.
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Oh my frakking gods!I just found a great viper design.Its weird looking though.
(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kg_cg_mkxiii_000-sized.jpg)
It was going to be the 13th tribes viper.This has got to be put in Diaspora!Mabey the FF wernt the only surviving members of the 13th colony.
Found it here http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=420
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Oh my frakking G!I just found one of the greatest viper designs ever made!
(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kg_cg_mkxiii_000-sized.jpg)
It was going to be the 13th tribes viper.This has got to be put in Diaspora!Mabey the FF wernt the only surviving members of the 13th colony.
Found it here http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=420
1) Considering how the series ended there's absolutely no way to use it in any serious nBSG plot.
2) It's ugly as hell. Looks like someone kitbashed together a mk2, mk7, and a raider, and put the result in a microwave.
3) We already knew about it.
4) Just.. no.
Please, don't find ships for us to use. We're on top of things :)
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Looks like someone kitbashed together a mk2, mk7, and a raider, and put the result in a microwave.
Thats probably why they didnt use it.But one way it would work even with being ugly is if it was a hybrid design created by the crew of Theseus.Similar to how the Galactica crew created the custom designed black bird stealth fighter.
I know your going to have some non cannon ships but I do hope theyll be some non cannon fighters to.Not just for the Colonials but also for the Cylons.Its good to have variety.
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Looks like someone kitbashed together a mk2, mk7, and a raider, and put the result in a microwave.
Thats probably why they didnt use it.But one way it would work even with being ugly is if it was a hybrid design created by the crew of Theseus.Similar to how the Galactica crew created the custom designed black bird stealth fighter.
I know your going to have some non cannon ships but I do hope theyll be some non cannon fighters to.Not just for the Colonials but also for the Cylons.Its good to have variety.
Can't speak for the team or other members here on the board, but i don't want that ugly thing in the game, just my personal opinion. :P
Regarding non-canon designs, there are already several confirmed:
The Theseus of course, the Bolitho in the cap-ship class as well as several Fighters.
The famous MkVII E and a Trainercraft/ light fighter, check the Mod DB for moar screenshots.
Here's one with the mentioned Fighters:
http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/12/11511/flyable_ships.png
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Cool.But whats the difference between the bottom raider and the one on the top?They look the same to me.
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Cool.But whats the difference between the bottom raider and the one on the top?They look the same to me.
The head section of the bottom one is different and was introduced in Razor, iirc.
It's either a retcon of the original model, or a "advanced" version. Dunno how the team will treat that, but i assume that the "advanced" Raider will be either, intodruced later in the Theseus campaign, not make a appearence ( since we don't know how long the Theseus will be "in service" ), that would be the "advanced" Raider way, or used from the beginning as the retconned version.
Only time and R1 will tell. :P
Here's the original:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Raider_head..jpg
Here's the retconned version:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Raider_retcon.jpg
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I see the difference now.You should probably just go with it being an advanced or upgraded version.
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Thats probably why they didnt use it.But one way it would work even with being ugly is if it was a hybrid design created by the crew of Theseus.Similar to how the Galactica crew created the custom designed black bird stealth fighter.
They didn't use it because it didn't fit the plot. It's probably a reject design for a plot line that never happened. Making up a way for the Theseus to have it would be forcing it in without much sense. When the Chief constructed the Blackbird on Galactica it was under a very specific set of circumstances - they were on the run, losing fighters with no way of replenishing them, so Chief tried to do something about it. Even then it was considered a miracle he was able to construct a ship that actually flies without killing the pilot, even so the ship could only ever be used for recon or sneak attack, couldn't replace the vipers in real combat.
Now, the plot around the Theseus happens during the fall of the Colonies. The crew would neither have cause or time to go design a new fighter. I'm pretty sure it's not standard procedure to go design a new fighter line aboard a battlestar to pass the time while patrolling. That's a bit like the crew of the USS Nimitz deciding to design a successor for the Super Hornet because they feel like it. It just doesn't make sense on any level. A fighter that looks like a mix of colonial and cylon tech would make even less sense considering that the colonials know next to nothing about Cylon technology at the time of the attack.
So no, we're not going to force it in just for the sake of having it, creating enormous plot holes in the process. Also, it's ugly, we don't like it, it hasn't appeared on the show, wasn't mentioned either, therefore it's not canon and can be ignored if we so choose. If anyone wants to mod it in once Diaspora is out, of course that's fine by us. But I think it's pretty safe to say this thing will never appear in an official Diaspora release.
I see the difference now.You should probably just go with it being an advanced or upgraded version.
Amazingly enough we did plan on making the advanced raider more.. advanced :P
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I see the difference now.You should probably just go with it being an advanced or upgraded version.
I'm pretty sure that the "advanced" Raider will have different stats then the original, in multiplayer at least.
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Newman:The viper MKIII/MKIIE looks better than that design anyway.Im fine with not having it.But any chance of having say a reimagined version of the scarlet viper?I think there pretty neat looking.
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Newman:The viper MKIII/MKIIE looks better than that design anyway.Im fine with not having it.But any chance of having say a reimagined version of the scarlet viper?
This ship is in the same category like a two-seated MkI Viper, the AB Raider, a Saucershaped Uber-ship build by colonials AND flying Jet-bikes - they don't exist! :P
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The ship list for R1 is decided upon. If you want us to release in this century then adding every ship you can think of into the mix probably won't help :) You'll be getting quite a few ships in R1 and that number will rise with every release. Right now we're working on finishing R1, not expanding it.
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Two things: :)
1) I trust the mod team's vision completely, and their absolute discretion in accepting help or otherwise.
2) I like the pretty pictures of different models! Even if it's a weird ship like that 'Viper', I like checking out the pictures. So please, don't stop posting them! Maybe just stop suggesting the team use them - they'll probably ask for more info if they do ;)
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Ok from now on this thread will be about non cannon BSG ship designs and models.Even if they wont be in R1 or any other release.If anyone else has some pics I wouldnt mind them being posted either.
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For those posting ships that they think Diaspora should have, maybe it's escaped your attention that we have not just one, but two concept artists on the team as well as several talented artists capable of coming up with new designs on their own.
Now I've got no issue with people posting pictures of ships from the web that they like. It may even give people ideas that they wouldn't otherwise have but please don't ask us to include them in the game.
Every moment we'd spend working on them is time we'd spend away from our own original designs. The Theseus, Bolitho and MK VIIe are examples of the level of quality of these designs. We have more designs for both Cylon and Colonial crafts of all sizes which are at least as good as those (if not better!) And are currently waiting to be modelled as soon as we can find a modeller not busy with other tasks.
Given that, it should be obvious why we are reluctant to spend time on someone else's designs unless they are canon.
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Aside from the Theseus, the Cygnus is the only fan made battlestar I've seen that doesn't look like complete ass anyway.
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Newman:The viper MKIII/MKIIE looks better than that design anyway.Im fine with not having it.But any chance of having say a reimagined version of the scarlet viper?
This ship is in the same category like a two-seated MkI Viper, the AB Raider, a Saucershaped Uber-ship build by colonials AND flying Jet-bikes - they don't exist! :P
Well, I've actually been rooting for the AB Raider. Afterall humanoid Cylons were in the show that never existed too...
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Aside from the Theseus, the Cygnus is the only fan made battlestar I've seen that doesn't look like complete ass anyway.
You'll see a few more before we're through :D
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StarSlayer you have yet to make a ship design that isn't sexy. Please have my babies.
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StarSlayer you have yet to make a ship design that isn't sexy. Please have my babies.
I suspect Slayer's response might be something along the lines of "take care of your own damn babies" :P
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Plus Diaspora doesn't support maternity leave :(
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I'm just trying to find a new sugardaddy for Kara's babies.
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The Cygnus isnt a battlestar.Its a support ship like the Bolitho.
This ship is in the same category like a two-seated MkI Viper, the AB Raider, a Saucershaped Uber-ship build by colonials AND flying Jet-bikes - they don't exist!
Come on dont be that way.After all I was hoping to fly around in those motorcycles in Diaspora.How awesome would that be!JK
And yes G1980 really is considered TOS Cannon.
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The Cygnus isnt a battlestar.Its a support ship like the Bolitho.
This ship is in the same category like a two-seated MkI Viper, the AB Raider, a Saucershaped Uber-ship build by colonials AND flying Jet-bikes - they don't exist!
Come on dont be that way.After all I was hoping to fly around in those motorcycles in Diaspora.How awesome would that be!JK
It would feel like someone tabs a spike through the kneecap :P
And yes G1980 really is considered TOS Cannon.
Then we are really, really, really lucky, that Diaspora is about the RIS series not TOS.
And any TOS mod for Diaspora, that contains anything remotely "Galactica 1980" related will be ignored by me. :P
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Pretty sure you're breaking rule 1, There was NO Galactica 1980.
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What do you call this then? http://www.hulu.com/galactica-1980
I thought the Return of Starbuck episode was good.Thats the only one though.
Back to model designs.Heres another weird one from that site where I got the other pics from.It looks like some kind of proto viper.Like G1980 its not that good.
(http://yankeeclippersmobile.com/Orbiter/Fleet/pics/MyViper.gif)
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What do you call this then? http://www.hulu.com/galactica-1980
There is nothing at that address except for the 1980 Starbuck special and even that seems to be missing something cause it starts and ends strangely as if scenes setting up the story have been cut from it. For instance there is no explanation of what happened the to child. Perhaps it was meant to be setting up a character in a planned future series of the show but I see no sign of that actually having happened.
I certainly don't see any sign of an entire series of Battlestar Galactica made in the 1980s.
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*newman waves his hand performing a jedi mind trick* There is no Galactica 1980. You want to go home and rethink your life.
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I'm trying to tell him such a abomination like Galactica 1980 per definition can't exist, but yet he insists there is something like that. Someone made it up to scare Sci-fi fans all over the world, and damn it works. It's the '80s TV version of a Rick-Roll. :P
If there where such a show, and we all know there isn't one, no one would like it, no one would like to hear about it. :P
There was a attempt to make a second season of TOS Galactica, but only two members of the original cast where available, Dirk Benedict ( Starbuck ) and a Cylon Centurion. The attempt failed, the show was cancelled after one episode, end of story. :D
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We did get a remake of that episode in the new series.Its the one where starbuck crashes on that moon and is all alone except for the raider.
The centurion was just replaced with the raider.
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Yeah, liked that one, :yes: and now that season 4 is over, there is a possible explanation why Starbuck was able to figure out the Raiders controls so fast, even if it was only "instinct".