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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Inferno => Topic started by: StarGunner on October 21, 2001, 03:01:00 pm
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Will Inferno have new shivan ships that are not big. I mean like a new frater, or transsport, or crooser etc....?
[This message has been edited by StarGunner (edited 10-21-2001).]
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None are planned at the moment, we'll see for chapter 4 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
None are planned at the moment, we'll see for chapter 4 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Ok thats fine with me. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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How many original FS2 ships will be left, anyways? I expect you'll preserve the Orion, Hecate, Hatsheput, etc (big destroyers) and maybe the Myrmidon + Herc II, but could you give a list?
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GTF Pegasus
GTF Hercules Mk II
GTF Erinyes
GVF Seth
GVF Thoth
GTB Artemis D.H.
GTB Ursa
GVB Sekhmet
GVB Osiris
GVB Bakha
GTC Leviathan
GVC Aten
GTCv Deimos
GTCv Sobek
GTD Hecate
GVD Typhon
GVD Hatshepsut
also most shivan ships, and some freighters and other non-combatants are in there.
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Aaaaaah yes! You saved the Seth!
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Originally posted by Alikchi:
Aaaaaah yes! You saved the Seth!
Well it is the only vasudan ship I like to fly (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
Originally posted by Alikchi:
Aaaaaah yes! You saved the Seth!
Well it is the only vasudan ship I like to fly (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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My favorite too since it holds my favorite of all weapons like the kayser (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
None are planned at the moment, we'll see for chapter 4 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Geez.. bigger != better. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Make the ships too big, and they're just pretty backgrounds. Why not have some new escorts and stuff? Those are the interesting ones.
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I want a new Corvette as I don't like the Moloch, but all our attempts haven't been good enough to be completed. The smallest new Shivan ship we have (not including fighters and bombers) is the Diablo.
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Isn't that a super destroyer?
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Yes it is.
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Ouch, Shivans are gonna kick some bigship *** (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Erm... why are you saving the Seth, while discarding the Tauret?
Speed
Seth: 55m/s, 120 A/B's
Tauret: 65m/s, 130 A/B's
Guns
Seth: 4 (2,2)
Tauret: 6 (2,4)
Missiles
Seth: (40,80)
Tauret: (100,100)
The only things that the Seth has going for it (IMO), are a large amount of countermeasures, and a tiny cross section.
Also, i have criticisms of other classes being kept as well:
GVF Thoth: Old. Between this and the Serapis I prefer the latter, which is not only newer, but more maneuverable and faster.
GVB Osiris: This is just plain old. All it has going for it is its 2 turrets, since its missile bays are tiny for a bomber...
GTC Leviathan: I can see why you wrote the Aeolus out of the MOD, there having been only 2 dozen of them to begin with. And the Fenris was cannon fodder. But the Leviathan is horribly slow. Perhaps an engine/reactor upgrade is in order. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
GVC Aten: Unless you added turrets to this, there is little reason to keep this instead of the Mentu.
GTB ArtyDH: I thought the DH version was just a test platform for a new reactor, except with 1 less tail fin, and a niftier paint job. So by the time of Inferno, all Artemises would have that reactor but still have the old white paint job. Or are you repainting the DH model? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Why did you drop...
GVF Serapis? Aside from its paper thin hull, its not that bad.
GVF Tauret? It can use the Kayser. The only bad thing I found was the lack of Maxim usage.
GVF Horus? The Vasudans won't have any interceptor class without it, unless you use my idea for the Naunet... email me if your interested... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
GVC Mentu? It can take about 4 times the damage of the Aten, and has 10 more turets. Great antifighter/antibomber ship, whereas the Aten is pathetic, so...
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GVF Thoth: History thingrequired later on.
GVB Osiris: This is just plain old. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
GTC Leviathan: Past thing and see end of post
GVC Aten: Past thing again
GTB ArtyDH: The DH version was the upgrade, it's now a common bomber
GVF Serapis? Don't like it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
GVF Tauret? replaced by the Apis
GVF Horus? replaced by the Ennead
GVC Mentu? see below:
Cruisers are removed from most missions because they are replaced by the Corvette Classes, as said in the Demios Tech, it was designed to replace these ships. Well by the time of inferno, most cruisers are obselete (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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And you seem to be forgetting that the Seth is much..cooler..than the Tauret. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/evil.gif)
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It's the space turtle versus the flying Apsu-Hek! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Besides why keep the Seth, which is a T-V war era design, over the Tauret? Why not replace the SETH with the Apis?
And why do you all like the Seth over the Tauret anyway? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
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*shaking head sadly* You don't seem to understand.
Taurets are a cereal.
(props to Carl)
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber:
It's the space turtle versus the flying Apsu-Hek! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Besides why keep the Seth, which is a T-V war era design, over the Tauret? Why not replace the SETH with the Apis?
And why do you all like the Seth over the Tauret anyway? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
Because it is superior. End of discussion. You can't compare stats, and expect to find a better ship. It's the feel of it, the look, and the maneuvering. You either like it, or you don't.
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Whether you all like the Seth or not, I prefer my oat-and-bran fighter. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
IMO i just prefer the Tauret over the Seth, because of its stronger weaponry and better speed. The Seth is good, dont get me wrong, its just I think the Tauret is better.
No point in arguing any more tho. Seeing how you all like it so much, I'll keep it in the Eden Project, and delete the Thoth instead. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
I want a new Corvette as I don't like the Moloch, but all our attempts haven't been good enough to be completed. The smallest new Shivan ship we have (not including fighters and bombers) is the Diablo.
Cruisers and corvettes are the backbone of the fleet, not juggernauts and destroyers.... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Shrike:
Corvettes are the backbone of the fleet, not juggernauts and destroyers.... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
That's why we have the Phobos, Taisan, Neptune, Pachet, Phobos, Malia....
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I'll do new Shivan ships, but i realy need to find ideas. I did do one, but the almighty leader of inferno never got back to me even though he sat next to me while i designed it. Plus I Hate all vesudan ships. Give me an apollo any day. It's...well. it's average (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/evil.gif)
OK, shivan destroyers. Spikes...spikes and MORE SPIKES! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/evil.gif)
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Originally posted by No_parking:
I'll do new Shivan ships, but i realy need to find ideas. I did do one, but the almighty leader of inferno never got back to me even though he sat next to me while i designed it. Plus I Hate all vesudan ships. Give me an apollo any day. It's...well. it's average (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/evil.gif)
OK, shivan destroyers. Spikes...spikes and MORE SPIKES! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/evil.gif)
I got one like that, its meant to be like a Rivonna that is more dedly than a Demon. I'm proud of it to you can use it if you whant.
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
I got one like that, its meant to be like a Rivonna that is more dedly than a Demon. I'm proud of it to you can use it if you whant.
So have I (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/Iblis2.jpg)
Though ours is stronger than the Ravana.
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HSWTFIT??? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif)
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Originally posted by Night Hammer:
Isn't that a super destroyer?
heehee.... i love this picture;
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.white19/diablo9.jpg)
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(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/images/misc01.jpg)
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/images/misc01.jpg)
hehe I love that picture (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
GTF Pegasus
GTF Hercules Mk II
GTF Erinyes
GVF Seth
GVF Thoth
GTB Artemis D.H.
GTB Ursa
GVB Sekhmet
GVB Osiris
GVB Bakha
GTC Leviathan
GVC Aten
GTCv Deimos
GTCv Sobek
GTD Hecate
GVD Typhon
GVD Hatshepsut
!!! Where am I?!
Originally posted by Woomeister:
and other non-combatants are in there.
They'd better... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
!!! Where am I?!
See the staff board for information on the fate of the GTVA AWACS (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Cruisers phased out by Corvettes? You guys must be having a lack of communication with GTI R&D. *cough Tyr Meson cannon* (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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*cough release the campaign*
;P
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The Orions save the whole GTVA twice and you get rid of them! Arg madness i tell you!
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Well actually if what we are doing on the staff board is successful, you'll see a lot more of the fs2 stuff dissapear...
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but..but..THE SETH
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Originally posted by Alikchi:
but..but..THE SETH
I doubt it will survive. More info will be coming soon, since I'm getting no ideas from the staff for these new ships...
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Originally posted by Woomeister:
I doubt it will survive. More info will be coming soon, since I'm getting no ideas from the staff for these new ships...
Thats because i lost my link to the staff forum (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by darkage:
Thats because i lost my link to the staff forum (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
sigh
Well you have it now (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Zeronet:
The Orions save the whole GTVA twice and you get rid of them! Arg madness i tell you!
Easy there tex, it's not that big of a deal. At the start of the "Great War" the Orion class was approaching a decade in age (I believe). At the time of the second shivan incursion the things are over four decades in age. If I remmeber correctly (can't seem to find it in the forum at the moment) the Inferno campaign takes place about ten years after that (putting them at a ripe old age of 50-55).
To put this in perspective, the last of the American Battleships were retired at an age of 45. Even then there were only two left in service when the plug was pulled.
And one last point to help support the Inferno staff's descision is that after the shock of realizing the Shivan's nearly limitless combat capabilities I'm sure it would have promted the GTVA to find newer ship designs (with the weaknesses of the Shathanas in mind I'm sure) and deploy them as quickly as possible.
The Orions served the GTA and (later) the GTVA very well, but they are now obsolete. I think it's time to move on.
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Yes, it's time to move on. Time to move on to the GTD Orion Mark II, that is!
[This message has been edited by Alikchi (edited 12-02-2001).]
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
The Inferno campaign takes place about ten years after that (putting them at a ripe old age of 50-55).
The campaign now takes place in 2401, that's why most fs2 ships are also outdated.
Originally posted by jonskowitz:
And one last point to help support the Inferno staff's descision is that after the shock of realizing the Shivan's nearly limitless combat capabilities I'm sure it would have promted the GTVA to find newer ship designs (with the weaknesses of the Shathanas in mind I'm sure) and deploy them as quickly as possible.
The Orions served the GTA and (later) the GTVA very well, but they are now obsolete. I think it's time to move on.
The Galatea was designed to destroy the Sathanas Class Warship.
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Originally posted by Alikchi:
Yes, it's time to move on. Time to move on to the GTD Orion Mark II, that is!
More like EAD Orion Mk III (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Wait..so you're saying the Galatea is an EA destroyer?
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...no
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Confused. "EAD Orion Mk III"?
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..if there was one, it would be the MKIII
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forget it o_o
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I'm... missing something here. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)
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Hey where can i download the Diablo Superdestroyer?
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Originally posted by Itsara:
Hey where can i download the Diablo Superdestroyer?
htpp://uk.geocities.com/gunnery_control
(downloads section)
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YOU REMOVED THE ORION!
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This is the new list, if it isn't here it won't be in the campaign (most likely)
SF Mara
GTB Ursa
SCv Moloch
SD Ravana
SJ Sathanas
GTT Argo
GTM Hippocrates
Knossos
Shivan Comm Node
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Do you have any idea when the campaign is going to be done?
[This message has been edited by Itsara (edited 12-05-2001).]
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Unless we get artists...somtime in 2004...
Otherwise it'll depend.
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Also i downloaded the Diablo, do i just have to put it in the ship.tbl folder to make it work?