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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
No, actually, I don't really like the Xeelee sequence. But my objections are with the characters and storytelling, which I just can't connect with.

I'm assuming that you're reacting to what you see as 'fantastic' or 'unrealistic' science, when, in fact, the ideas in the Xeelee books are grounded in a very strong understanding of the Standard Model and modern cosmology.

Either that or you're terrified that it didn't go the HUMANS FIRST **** YEAHHH route.

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
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the executor class star destroyer

19 K's long

Take a look at 6:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ

Seeing that a few fighter laser blasts and a torpedo were enough to knock out some of the Executor's shield arrays, I bet a  beam cannon could make short work of said shield array, waste the bridge, and proceed to use the gap in their defenses to melt a hole right through that ship.

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<Axem>   did anyone catch jesus' birth certificate?
<Nuclear>   and jesus didnt actually give the 5000 their fish...he gave it to the romans and let it trickle down
<Axem>and he was totally pro tax breaks
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
No, actually, I don't really like the Xeelee sequence. But my objections are with the characters and storytelling, which I just can't connect with.

I'm assuming that you're reacting to what you see as 'fantastic' or 'unrealistic' science, when, in fact, the ideas in the Xeelee books are grounded in a very strong understanding of the Standard Model and modern cosmology.

Either that or you're terrified that it didn't go the HUMANS FIRST **** YEAHHH route.

I have a bridge to Terabithia I'd like to sell to you...

Is there a particular part of the science you'd disliked? Kerr metrics are real, the baryonic/dark matter distinction is real, the Great Attractor is certainly real...

http://img186.imageshack.us/i/eaw2006121422384160nl6.jpg/

the executor class star destroyer

19 K's long

Take a look at 6:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ

Seeing that a few fighter laser blasts and a torpedo were enough to knock out some of the Executor's shield arrays, I bet a  beam cannon could make short work of said shield array, waste the bridge, and proceed to use the gap in their defenses to melt a hole right through that ship.

We have no idea what the yield of a beam cannon is compared to the yield of Star Wars weapons or the power of Star Wars shields.

The comparison is fundamentally ridiculous. (Especially as we see Star Wars ships using beam weapons against each other.)

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
The comparison is fundamentally ridiculous. (Especially as we see Star Wars ships using beam weapons against each other.)
Yes, but the Eclipse has a mini-Death Star beam, so Executor would vaporize.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Hrm? We don't know how superlaser yield compares either...

 

Offline Commander Zane

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When it has the ability to one-shot a planet-sized object, the amount of solid metal in one place is magnitudes greater than a ship hull, there's no way to say the shielding would be capable of holding against it.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
No dispute with that, but I'm not sure how it connects to the previous point.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Unless esarai was talking about FS2 beams then I was reading everything wrong. :P

 

Offline Marcov

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
No, actually, I don't really like the Xeelee sequence. But my objections are with the characters and storytelling, which I just can't connect with.

I'm assuming that you're reacting to what you see as 'fantastic' or 'unrealistic' science, when, in fact, the ideas in the Xeelee books are grounded in a very strong understanding of the Standard Model and modern cosmology.

Either that or you're terrified that it didn't go the HUMANS FIRST **** YEAHHH route.

I have a bridge to Terabithia I'd like to sell to you...

Is there a particular part of the science you'd disliked? Kerr metrics are real, the baryonic/dark matter distinction is real, the Great Attractor is certainly real...

http://img186.imageshack.us/i/eaw2006121422384160nl6.jpg/

the executor class star destroyer

19 K's long

Take a look at 6:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ

Seeing that a few fighter laser blasts and a torpedo were enough to knock out some of the Executor's shield arrays, I bet a  beam cannon could make short work of said shield array, waste the bridge, and proceed to use the gap in their defenses to melt a hole right through that ship.

We have no idea what the yield of a beam cannon is compared to the yield of Star Wars weapons or the power of Star Wars shields.

The comparison is fundamentally ridiculous. (Especially as we see Star Wars ships using beam weapons against each other.)

Firstly, Freespace caps don't have shields at all, though we know that the Lucy had. They were meant to take a lot of damage, because they were already heavily-armored. Ever wondered why the Colossus has only 30,000 in it?

Either most of the crew were just drones, or most of the supercap was spent for armor.  Also, Star Wars fighters could be so-advanced that they could carry lasers enough to break an Orion in about 30 rounds. But again, we're trying to balance the two.

The Shivans had technology much above mere beams. I presume, for certain, that they can manage to create some kind of mysterious charge that disintegrates matter - for instance, the Hallfight in Descent. That last one who died just disappeared after a Shivan created some unknown kind of energy. And, also, how could 90 Saths detonate a star? Probably that kind of energy, again. We saw that each of the Saths joined their four arms and had some kind of electric-charge linking them together. Then we see an enlargening white sphere, followed by the destruction of Capella. Recall the Hallfight. We see this Shivan, enlargening a strange white sphere, followed by the destruction OF the boarding party member. Similar.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

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Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Pretty sure the Shivan anti-infantry weapon in Hallfight was an 'integrated plasma weapon' as described in the techroom entry; nothing mysterious.

 

Offline TrashMan

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Is there a particular part of the science you'd disliked? Kerr metrics are real, the baryonic/dark matter distinction is real, the Great Attractor is certainly real...

I liek ot make a distinction between "exist somewhere in some theory" and "actually plausible to a degree."

It has people living in NEUTRON STARS.
Compared to that, I'll take Little Red Riding Hood and have less trouble with suspension of disbelief.
We done? Great. No back to FS vs. SW.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
The Great Attractor is purely a product of observation (something out there is sucking at all the local galaxies.) Neutron star fauna is, well, er, science fiction? I'm not sure what your problem is there.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
When it has the ability to one-shot a planet-sized object, the amount of solid metal in one place is magnitudes greater than a ship hull, there's no way to say the shielding would be capable of holding against it.

It can't one-shot a planet, only crack the crust on a massive scale rendering it uninhabitable. (Or so says my Essential Guide.) You can accomplish the same thing with several Harbingers at their listed yield.
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That's still beyond catastrophic damage.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Snail's beyond catastrophic damage :wakka:

 

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Snail's beyond catastrophic damage :wakka:
Why do you keep taking potshots at me? :wtf: