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Title: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Jeffro429 on September 23, 2007, 05:29:56 pm
first i would like to compliment you on an awesome job with inferno... but i noticed when i downloaded the r1 of inferno there were 2 problems... 1. you took out the shivan dragon and kept the scorpian and added a few new fighters... but the dragon owns all those fighters except for that one... forgot its name... why would the shivan trash such an awesome fighter?  the dragon gave me more problems then any of the fighters in freespace 1 and 2. so it wouldnt make sense for the shivans not to use them anymore.

2nd i noticed in r1 that all the vasuden fighter and bomber ships were less advanced then the fs1 and 2 vasuden ships. 

not sure if this has already been addressed or not... i am not on this forum that much.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: colecampbell666 on September 23, 2007, 07:27:01 pm
R1 is three years old. INF SCP may or may not have the Dragon. And compared to the R1 fighters, the Dragin wouldn't have been as much of a threat.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: wdarkk on September 24, 2007, 06:52:25 pm
R1 is three years old. INF SCP may or may not have the Dragon. And compared to the R1 fighters, the Dragin wouldn't have been as much of a threat.

Well, it'd still be near-impossible to hit at close range.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Jeffro429 on September 24, 2007, 08:15:14 pm
yea i would have to disagree... r1 kept the scorpian which was not nearly as dangerous as the dragon... in freespace 1 and 2 the dragon was a nightmare.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: wdarkk on September 24, 2007, 08:21:56 pm
yea i would have to disagree... r1 kept the scorpian which was not nearly as dangerous as the dragon... in freespace 1 and 2 the dragon was a nightmare.

AFAIK the Scorpion isn't actually in FS2's main campaign, unless I missed it somewhere.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Jeffro429 on September 24, 2007, 08:29:09 pm
yea i would have to disagree... r1 kept the scorpian which was not nearly as dangerous as the dragon... in freespace 1 and 2 the dragon was a nightmare.

AFAIK the Scorpion isn't actually in FS2's main campaign, unless I missed it somewhere.


its not? anyways i wasnt talkin about the fs2 campaign... i was talkin about Inferno R1 which had the scorpian...
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Dark Hunter on September 24, 2007, 09:53:24 pm
Why would the Shivans need the Dragon? They have some sort of uber-fighter this time around... I forget the name, was the SF Succubus, or something else?

In either case I believe the Scorp was dropped.

Please note that I am not on Inferno's staff. I do not guarantee my information is accurate. ;)
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: wdarkk on September 25, 2007, 04:24:00 pm
(http://resources.wizards.com/Magic/Cards/10E/EN/Card129730.jpg)

Couldn't resist.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: someddrnoob on September 25, 2007, 06:12:58 pm
Couldn't resist.

LOL I knew that would happen! My brother used to play and collect Magic: The Gathering cards!

Back on topic.

The Dragon would be replaced by something else, like a SF Drake (made up) or something. What I really hated about R1 was that the Shaitan was brought back... Scorpions were a great comeback ship.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: colecampbell666 on September 25, 2007, 06:20:00 pm
Why would the Shivans need the Dragon? They have some sort of uber-fighter this time around... I forget the name, was the SF Succubus, or something else?

In either case I believe the Scorp was dropped.

Please note that I am not on Inferno's staff. I do not guarantee my information is accurate. ;)
I think it's the Succubus, yeah. And they do have other, better fighters, even in R1.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: someddrnoob on September 25, 2007, 10:05:18 pm
Hmm, wasn't there a video of a fighter being equipped with a beam and firing it on Vasudan warships?

Is that the Succubus or is it a new type of fighter?

Oh and the Chimera (presuming it's kept by the SCP crew) should be the replacement, or the SF Hydra (if they kept it too).
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Dark Hunter on September 25, 2007, 11:51:48 pm
I believe a couple of bombers have fighterbeams...

I thought the Hydra was a scout? And the Chimeara a stealth? Or am I totally mixed-up? :confused:
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Mobius on September 26, 2007, 01:26:22 pm
(http://resources.wizards.com/Magic/Cards/10E/EN/Card129730.jpg)

Couldn't resist.

It reminds and old thread of mine :P

The Hydra is a scout, the Chimera is a stealth fighter and the "uber-fighter" you kept refering to is the Gorgon.

I think the Dragon would have been poor in a INFR1 environment. Most missiles can take it out with a single shot and primaries would have a similar effect. Keep in mind that both the Scorpion and the Shaitan, which didn't appear in the main FS2 campaign, have improved statistics. The original FS1 Scorpion and Shaitan wouldn't survive more than 10 seconds in a INFR1 environment, I'm pretty sure of it.

I don't remember if the Dragon is included INF SCP, but you will find it in INFA SA(the Dragon is a must have).
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Dark Hunter on September 26, 2007, 04:53:24 pm
I could've sworn I saw an "SF Succubus" in a screenshot a while back...
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: wdarkk on September 26, 2007, 06:11:06 pm
One thing I hope won't be returning is the Hornet. Tornado rocks, Hornet sucks. No way they'd keep the Hornet in service with the Tornado around.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: colecampbell666 on September 26, 2007, 06:22:55 pm
I could've sworn I saw an "SF Succubus" in a screenshot a while back...
Probably. It is a new INF SCP fighter. I think.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on September 27, 2007, 08:33:01 am
The Succubus is in Inferno and it can outrun the Ennead too. The Dragon is not AFAIK, and I don't think it would be much of a threat anyway.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: colecampbell666 on September 27, 2007, 01:09:13 pm
The Succubus is in Inferno and it can outrun the Ennead too.

 :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Mobius on September 27, 2007, 01:19:26 pm
Yes, that fighter is fast. And has a poor armor plating...as expectable :P
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on September 27, 2007, 02:03:41 pm
Apparently it can also outrun certain missiles... But nothing can outrun a fighterbeam... Isdes... :drevil:
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Mobius on September 27, 2007, 02:09:28 pm
But there are no fighterbeams in a FreeSpace 1 environment :blah:
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on September 27, 2007, 02:11:57 pm
We ARE talking about Inferno, right? (granted, it is in INFA but it also features in INF SCP).
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Mobius on September 27, 2007, 02:13:44 pm
Yes, we are. The Succubus should be harder to kill in INFA.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on September 27, 2007, 02:16:07 pm
Yes, we are. The Succubus should be harder to kill in INFA.

Yeah... :shaking:
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: colecampbell666 on September 28, 2007, 07:10:03 am
Christ, you guys go over the top some times. Sounds like you'd need a cruiser to destroy this thing... :shaking:
Isdes...
I assume that this is such a cruiser.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on September 28, 2007, 07:52:13 am
The Isdes is a Vasudan fighterbeam.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: colecampbell666 on September 28, 2007, 08:21:00 am
Which is as powerful as a Usilv, has a 1 milisecond recharge rate, and uses no power? It would need to, to defeat this thing.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Rampage on September 28, 2007, 05:22:34 pm
Here's a spoiler:

For the time being, we're planning to use the Succubus in special situations only - - - - like when the player is alone in Shivan territory and must deal w/ one or a wing of these things.

The Dragon counterpart in INF SCP is the SF Ashtur, but I'm thinking of replacing it w/ the Dragon since there's an HTL version out, I believe...

Rampage
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on September 29, 2007, 04:28:52 am
For the time being, we're planning to use the Succubus in special situations only - - - - like when the player is alone in Shivan territory and must deal w/ one or a wing of these things.

Do you mean alone with his wing or completely solo?

The Dragon counterpart in INF SCP is the SF Ashtur, but I'm thinking of replacing it w/ the Dragon since there's an HTL version out, I believe...

The HTL Dragon isn't complete AFAIK.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Rampage on October 03, 2007, 04:34:33 pm
For the time being, we're planning to use the Succubus in special situations only - - - - like when the player is alone in Shivan territory and must deal w/ one or a wing of these things.

Do you mean alone with his wing or completely solo?

You'll see...   ;7

The Dragon counterpart in INF SCP is the SF Ashtur, but I'm thinking of replacing it w/ the Dragon since there's an HTL version out, I believe...

The HTL Dragon isn't complete AFAIK.

It'll be completed before INF SCP is released.  Trust me.
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Agent_Koopa on October 03, 2007, 05:01:45 pm
Christ, you guys go over the top some times. Sounds like you'd need a cruiser to destroy this thing... :shaking:


Alpha 1 : Command, I've encountered some kind of subspace demon... I don't think I'll be leaving this place alive... OH MY GOD, it's looking right at me!

Command: Alpha 1, open fire on that fighter with your primary weapons!

Alpha 1: ARE YOU INSANE!!! Primaries are useless against that massive hull!

Command : Destroy that fighter, Alpha, there are more pressing engagements at the moment!

Alpha 1: Errg! It's moving so fast! AHH! Grrraaa..DRAGON BATTLE!!!


>_> (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/239227)
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on October 05, 2007, 02:10:44 pm
It'll be completed before INF SCP is released.  Trust me.

You mean INF SCP will be released after never?
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 06, 2007, 12:37:29 am
I suspect the explosion effects have been updated since R1, somehow... :cool:
Title: Re: will there still be the shivan dragon?
Post by: Snail on October 06, 2007, 04:58:13 am
You'll really like to use the impact explosions though. If you use the old FS2 explosions with some of our new cluster weapons, it'll look disgusting.