[TopAce]

Originally posted by Flipside
Well, he has posted 'permission' already, he said that if anyone wanted to develop a FS2 clone, the Source Code is out there, and we can feel free to use it.

In black and white

But FSO is not an FS2 clone, ?

Originally posted by kv1at3485
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I say let him have a go.  He deserves that much, and who knows, it might turn out ok.
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I have been saying the same since my first post.

[jdjtcagle]

*reads*

Oh, so that what everybody meant about the pop machine...

So any news? Since page 17

[Unidan]

Good news, I emailed Tycho of Penny Arcade about this. I seriously doubt he'll read it.. I tried to make it short. Ah well. Hopefully it'll make for a funny comic. ^^ I <3 PA.

[Rictor]

He sounds condescending to the dedicated fan base that has kept Freespace alive for five years. If anything, he should have done the reverse and ackowledged the imprtance of places like HLP (not just for Freespace, for any game). Without mods, HalfLife would have 1/5th of the fame and Valve would have 1/5th of the money it does right now.

Seriously, no one is better qualified to comment a game than its fans, and the fact that he pissed all over HLP is one of the main reasons I've got it in for him.

[Flipside]

TopAce, by definition, as long as long as it uses the FS2 'Engine' it is a clone, it's like FireWarrior, which, I believe, is a Halo Clone.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Setekh
the actions by the HLP crew (not all of them of course)

He has some nerves saying that, after I don't know how many comments on how the HLP folks are retarded fanboys.
Ah well, the important fact is that he stated that he'd let the SCP dudes alone, the rest I don't care. If he does get the license, let see if he can keep true to his words.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by aldo_14
In other words, develop a game for Battlecruiser fans, yet with a name that actually means something in the internet.

Why am I hearing "MoO3" in my head?

[Zarax]

Rictor, i'm sorry but i think it's unfair to say to from you...
There is plenty (or at least it used to be) of good developers around, and with [V] scripts plus some community feedback they can do a great work...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


Why am I hearing "MoO3" in my head?

Because you live next to a farm?

[jdjtcagle]

[Kazan]

as long as it is set in the FS universe it's a clone

being on the same engine doesn't make it a clone

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Flipside
TopAce, by definition, as long as long as it uses the FS2 'Engine' it is a clone, it's like FireWarrior, which, I believe, is a Halo Clone.

I nieither know FireWarrior nor Halo, if they are two different games, they are clones. But FSO and FS2 are the same game, just one of them is the 'uberized' one.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Rictor
He sounds condescending to the dedicated fan base that has kept Freespace alive for five years. If anything, he should have done the reverse and ackowledged the imprtance of places like HLP (not just for Freespace, for any game). Without mods, HalfLife would have 1/5th of the fame and Valve would have 1/5th of the money it does right now.

Seriously, no one is better qualified to comment a game than its fans, and the fact that he pissed all over HLP is one of the main reasons I've got it in for him.

The more I think about it, the more I think this is an act of over-reaction or ignorance (not him being ignorant; they're distinct). Think about it - what person in their right mind would ever do something like this if they knew what was at stake? You wouldn't, would you? Yet many of us have been slightly guilty of doing similar things ourselves- things that people in their right minds would not do - like antagonising members from another forum of the same community (the FS community). We're over-reacting, I think he is too - nothing more.

[Rictor]

No, I didn't mean that the community should develop the game, I meant that they should be consulted. And if 95% of gamers, all fans, say that you should not make it, then thats a pretty clear signal. He is not trusted, and if anyone is going to make FS3, he ought to be very trusted. better nothing than a bad sequel.

[Flipside]

Quite frankly, I'd just like us to throw it into the SCP big time now. I just read through that thread again. I need a shower

You know, we could always wait until it's released, and if it gets a really poor review just Email the magazines and say 'We've got our own version of a sequel, and the code has been developed in exactly the same way as Freespace 2 was.'

If it gets a good review, then fine, we had fun

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Because you live next to a farm?

[aldo_14]

A 'clone' game would be depicted as one which had the same gameplay as another.  I.e. Firewarrior - IIRc - had the same basic look & 2 gun dynamic as Halo, etc.

Of course, there's a difference when it comes to sequels.  Whilst no-one would want the same game remade & resold, neither would you want or expect the gameplay to be totally changed.

I wouldn't say the community should be consulted so much as listened to. i.e. the same basic feedback you'd want from a beta test  - the advantage of any existing fanbase is the range of opinions towards the weaknesses & strengths of the game / series.  

One of the main examples I'd point to is GTA:Vice City - Rockstar invited and implemented many suggestions from the fans of GTA3, and this led to one of the best & most succesful games of all time.

[Flipside]

Not to mention Relic, who not only accept fans, but have built an entire department around helping modders.

Ever wondered why they are Big-League?

[Nico]

Originally posted by Tiara

What are we waiting for? Seriously, a community wide project in conjunction with the SCP could be a major success. Especially since we don't ask gamers to pay for it. the right media coverage et all would make for a pretty damned good game. We have the talent, so I ask you: Why not?

Because nobody will never agree on the plot. I know I won't, I have my own ideas. I know it's the same for everybody. Would I do concessions on the plot, I'd work on it only half-heartedly.
I'm sorry, but FS3? I'd rather use Ferrium and do my own campaign, with my own ideas. A TC, this time, because, as the arrogant french bastard than I am, I consider my own scifi universe ( on which I've worked on for at least half a dozen years now ) superior. So between making a bastardized FS3 from scratch and doing my own thing? There's no question.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Flipside
Not to mention Relic, who not only accept fans, but have built an entire department around helping modders.

Ever wondered why they are Big-League?

Well, mod support is vital for most, if not all, AAA games.  The only exception is maybe the cross-platform games, i.e. those originally developed to use more arcane, non PC native, file types & whatnot.

Just look at  the success of both Epic (UT) and Valve (HL) in this respect.  It's obvious you'd be an idiot to ignore or obstruct modders, because it only hurts longevity of your titles.  And, of course, it also forces developers to make true advancements for sequels - because otherwise the fans will do the same through mods.