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Title: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Retsof on October 21, 2009, 06:21:31 pm
So, I watched the trailer, and I don't really like what I see.  For one thing, in that opening cutscene, Samus is rather weird looking.  Also, It looks like they turned it into an arena game, which I feel is a step down from the FPS Metroid Prime games.  Also, the ingame footage looks kind of crappy graphics wise.  Discuss.  Am I mistaken in my assumptions? ... I hope so.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 21, 2009, 06:25:47 pm
Define 'Arena' and trailer link please. . . .
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Retsof on October 21, 2009, 06:28:11 pm
Arena, like soul caliber.  As for the link, I'll get it tomorrow probly, I have to go.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 21, 2009, 07:17:55 pm
Linky for your viewing pleasure. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxeCHpp08E)

Personally, I think it has the potential to be the best 3D Metroid title yet (throwing a freaking Kihunter across the room is really badass). Looks like a prequel, since it appears to take place before Samus became a bounty hunter, during her brief time in the military, and I've always wondered exactly what happened back then.

Potential, of course, is not always achieved. I'm waiting to see what the actual gameplay is like, rather than the eyecandy-filled highlights they always show at E3. Not that those are necessarily bad, but they don't always show what the game will truly be like.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 21, 2009, 07:38:34 pm
It's more likely gonna take place in between Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion, as it looks like it's going to explain Samus' relationship with Adam from Fusion.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 21, 2009, 10:20:46 pm
Except that Adam was her military superior, and she was in the military before she became a bounty hunter, IIRC. As far back as the original Metroid, she has been a bounty hunter, which would make this a prequel.

I agree, though, that it will be fun to see what exactly happened between her and Adam.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 22, 2009, 02:57:58 am
Well, looking around for info confirmed what I thought. Wiki says it's gonna be between Super and Fusion. It's not too hard for that to work out since this appears to be a later run-in with Adam (which is why he's like "REMEMBER ME!?" in the trailer <_<). She's contracted by the military all the time so it was bound to happen eventually.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 22, 2009, 03:13:26 am
Fusion never happened and the Prime series (including hunters) bite ass.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: TrashMan on October 22, 2009, 05:42:45 am
The whole Metroid series has a following I never could understand.
It started (and still is basicly) a platform shooter.

Yay for deeps, sensible plot and characters. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 22, 2009, 10:48:44 am
Fusion never happened and the Prime series (including hunters) bite ass.
Uuuuuhhhh... yeah. I disagree with just about everything in that sentence. Hunters wasn't all that great, but the others were fantastic games.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Scotty on October 22, 2009, 04:00:11 pm
Go play Metroid Prime again TrashMan (the first one specifically).  Then marvel at how awesome it is.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Mongoose on October 22, 2009, 08:12:30 pm
The whole Metroid series has a following I never could understand.
It started (and still is basicly) a platform shooter.

Yay for deeps, sensible plot and characters. :rolleyes:
So what, every single game has to be devoted to a deep plot?  Super Mario Brothers was a terrible example of game design because Mario wasn't on some angst-filled, existentialist quest?

And jeez, people, I thought this was new material you were talking about.  Don't you guys pay attention to E3 stuff when it happens, instead of four months after the fact? :p
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 22, 2009, 08:14:43 pm
I did. I just didn't talk about it here. ;)
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Retsof on October 22, 2009, 08:45:20 pm
Thanks for diging up the link Dark.  Uhm, that's all, except for disagreement with Dekker.  :p
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: TrashMan on October 23, 2009, 04:23:15 am
So what, every single game has to be devoted to a deep plot?  Super Mario Brothers was a terrible example of game design because Mario wasn't on some angst-filled, existentialist quest?

And jeez, people, I thought this was new material you were talking about.  Don't you guys pay attention to E3 stuff when it happens, instead of four months after the fact? :p

Oh, you misunderstand.
Such games can be very fun and addictive - but it amuses me when people discuss the plot and characters of such a title as if it were a grand thing.
The plot of Metroid is just like the plot for Mario - a whole lot of laughs.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: deathfun on October 23, 2009, 03:59:03 pm
Mario: Save the princess! (again, for the fourth bloody time)
Metroid: Kill! Destroy! Obliterate then set off the self destruct (safe for SR388 in the Gameboy version)! Run!



Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 23, 2009, 06:01:42 pm
Well, Metroid has the advantage of a manga dedicated to Samus's origins. And it helps that the games actually have a continuity, which I believe is unique in Nintendo's major series. Oh yeah, and Fusion had long monologues and conversations with a (sentient) computer that divulged quite a bit of backstory.

I do see your point, Trashman, but it's still fun. There isn't much to the story, but we will discuss what there is, dammit! :p

Mario: Save the princess! (again, for the fourth bloody time)

Oh, she's been saved much more often than four times... so often it's become a running gag in the series that if the princess even appears in a game, she will be kidnapped, no matter how tangential to the main conflict it is (assuming, of course, that it isn't the main conflict in the first place).
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Mongoose on October 23, 2009, 06:11:27 pm
The plot of Metroid is just like the plot for Mario - a whole lot of laughs.
Yeahno.  In any iteration, Mario is essentially playing out, "Save the princess, save the world."  Samus, however, has a legitimate storyline connecting all of her titles, including a reasonably-detailed origin story.  It's not exactly Pulitzer-worthy, but it's hardly total fluff, either.  Metroid has been traditionally been viewed as the most mature of Nintendo's original properties, and the fact that it takes its setting and story seriously is a big part of that.

(Damn post-sniper. :p)
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: redsniper on October 24, 2009, 09:39:34 am
Hey, the Primes have story. It just requires reading. :D
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 24, 2009, 03:08:09 pm
Exactly. And the Trilogy collection for Wii has an insert that expounds on some background elements of the story as well.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 24, 2009, 03:54:09 pm
Metroid 3 is still the best.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Scotty on October 24, 2009, 03:57:38 pm
I must disagree.  Metroid Prime (1) is the best.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 24, 2009, 04:53:01 pm
I can see why you'd think that but 3 is my favourite.
 
Phazon is crap, dark Samus is just poor.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Scotty on October 24, 2009, 05:59:52 pm
I liked how Phazon was actually something new added to the story.  And the Phazon Suit is ******* badass, no matter what anyone says.  I also liked how it took a sidescrolling platformer and turned it into a very good FPS (platformer)
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 24, 2009, 06:06:48 pm
I love Metroid as a 2D and found fusion quite enjoyable, not tried zero mission yet though. I was bought Prime 3 as a gift a while back, the hunter gunship is quite cool as are the other hunters (mr robot guy was a personal favourite) but 3Dtroid is a different series in my mind and heart. I guess I never got over motherbrains and my baby hatchling dying.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Scotty on October 24, 2009, 06:08:45 pm
Have you ever played the first Metroid Prime, or just 3?  Trust me when I say that picking it up would be WELL worth it.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Mongoose on October 24, 2009, 06:18:05 pm
Indeed.  It's one of the most atmospheric games I've ever come across.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 24, 2009, 06:21:45 pm
Yeah my little bro has it for the gamecube. I played through a lot of it. I just don't like it. . . The first three in the series were part of my childhood. I'm fond of them, Prime onwards are just too different for me to like them as much.
 
Pirate research base was ok though.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Mongoose on October 24, 2009, 06:28:48 pm
See, Prime was my first Metroid title, so I didn't have that nostalgic connection.  As it stands, the only other ones I've played have been Prime 2, Hunters, and Fusion, though I do really want to go back and play Super Metroid at some point.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 24, 2009, 06:31:43 pm
Prime 2 was super purple wasn't it? Never played it. .
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: BloodEagle on October 24, 2009, 06:37:37 pm
Prime 2 was super purple wasn't it? Never played it. .

Yes, it was the purple one. It actually made me physically nauseous.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: redsniper on October 24, 2009, 10:35:44 pm
Now see, I loved Prime to death. I bought a Gamecube just to play it and thought it was a fantastic adaptation of Metroid to 3d. However, I have to side with Dekker here; Super will always be the quintessential Metroid.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 25, 2009, 01:04:35 pm
Prime 2 was super purple wasn't it? Never played it. .

Yes, it was the purple one. It actually made me physically nauseous.
Really? That's kinda funny. <_<

Metroid Prime 2 gets a lot of hate but there's a lot of fun to be had with it in my opinion. The game also has some spectacular boss fights... along with a spectacularly annoying one. Curse you, boost guardian!
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: BloodEagle on October 25, 2009, 01:30:56 pm
Prime 2 was super purple wasn't it? Never played it. .

Yes, it was the purple one. It actually made me physically nauseous.
Really? That's kinda funny. <_<

Metroid Prime 2 gets a lot of hate but there's a lot of fun to be had with it in my opinion. The game also has some spectacular boss fights... along with a spectacularly annoying one. Curse you, boost guardian!

Well, I'm not joking. At all. :/ 

After the third session, I noticed that I was getting migraines within ~20 minutes of booting the disc. And I don't know about you, but migraines create the need in me to regurgitate.

--

From a gameplay perspective, I still don't care for it.  It went from explorative shooter (Prime), to FPS bonanza (Prime 2).
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: TrashMan on October 25, 2009, 04:04:09 pm
Yeahno.  In any iteration, Mario is essentially playing out, "Save the princess, save the world."  Samus, however, has a legitimate storyline connecting all of her titles, including a reasonably-detailed origin story.  It's not exactly Pulitzer-worthy, but it's hardly total fluff, either.  Metroid has been traditionally been viewed as the most mature of Nintendo's original properties, and the fact that it takes its setting and story seriously is a big part of that.


A chick bounty-hunter that goes against whole armies in a redicolous looking power armor that morphs in a ball (with her still in it!!), and that has a tendancy to blow up planets and exterminate whole species? :wtf:

Damn right it ain't a Pulitzer!!!
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Mongoose on October 25, 2009, 04:59:35 pm
Well, if you've written anything worthy of such an honor, I've yet to see it. :p

(Also, that armor looks kickass.)

Metroid Prime 2 gets a lot of hate but there's a lot of fun to be had with it in my opinion. The game also has some spectacular boss fights... along with a spectacularly annoying one. Curse you, boost guardian!
I did enjoy it for the most part myself.  Perhaps not quite as much as the original Prime, due to the Dark World having the exact same layout as the Light World, but it was still fun.  Though dear lord, that Boost Guardian...
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: redsniper on October 25, 2009, 05:12:29 pm
Frakking Boost Guardian, but on the other hand....
Spoiler:
How about fighting Dark Samus while THE SELF-DESTRUCT TIMER IS STILL COUNTING DOWN, HOLY ****!
:D
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 25, 2009, 09:58:42 pm
Dude, you're all forgetting one of the best bosses ever: Quadraxis.

The Ridley fights were pretty awesome as well (one of them is in freefall... hard to top that).

Boost Guardian isn't that tough... charged Light Beam blasts? Also the inglets drop health restores. If you pay attention to what you're doing, Boosty is very defeatable.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 25, 2009, 10:24:36 pm
Yeah, once I learned that you need to make Boosty destroy the four pillars so there are always inglets around I was able to finish that boss without too much trouble. But before that it was quite annoying.

And yes, Quadraxis really is an incredible fight. Once I get to that point again I'm going to duplicate my save so I can play it again whenever I want.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: redsniper on October 26, 2009, 12:46:29 am
heh, I liked that boss fight that was entirely done in morph ball form. :p
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 26, 2009, 11:03:22 am
That one's the Boost Guardian that we've been talking about.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 26, 2009, 12:02:22 pm
The Spider Guardian is the one fought entirely in Morph Ball. The Boost Guardian is only fought in morph ball half the time.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: redsniper on October 26, 2009, 12:03:43 pm
What? Then what's the one where you have to go through a long stretch of unprotected Dark territory, with none of those lantern things, and then fight the guy while the whole time your health is being drained by the toxic environment? There's that guy and then there's the one you fight in one of those side-scrolling morph ball only areas.

EDIT: Ah, I see.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: deathfun on October 26, 2009, 03:02:17 pm
You'll be happy to know that this thread made me go out and get an emulator for Metroid 3

For this, I thank you as I am now going to play the missing piece of which I never got to play.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 26, 2009, 03:07:00 pm
It just won't be the same without a snes controller. /me must remember to get a USB one at some point.
 
I also got the official strategy guide / manual. . . . . Still near mint condition.
For a top tip, once the epic title screen sequence has finished, just leave it without pressing start to see a few hidden techniques.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 26, 2009, 06:44:59 pm
The Spider Guardian is the one fought entirely in Morph Ball. The Boost Guardian is only fought in morph ball half the time.
Nah, boosty is all in morph ball mode as well.

Also, Super Metroid emulated on the Wii with the classic controller works quite well. Much better than playing it with a keyboard at least.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Dark Hunter on October 26, 2009, 07:29:11 pm
Only partially is Boosty fought in morph ball mode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgDUj4Uc2LM) When he's in puddle form, then you fight with a Morph Ball, when he's not, that's when you Light Beam him to death.

Now stop trying to confuse everyone!  :p
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: watsisname on October 26, 2009, 07:31:13 pm
Wow, talk about nerdtastic hive mind weirdness.  I was just playing through Prime 1 last night after not having touched the metroid games in many months.  :nervous:

Oh, and you guys ain't got **** on the boost guardian until you kill it without the dark suit.   :p :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQKYKLBER4E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQKYKLBER4E)
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Scotty on October 26, 2009, 09:11:14 pm
*raises hand* I did that.  It took me something like 15 hours of trying (non-continuous, but all 15 hours spent trying).  I have never started a new file since, because I never want to play that boss again.
Title: Re: Metroid: The new M
Post by: Fenrir on October 27, 2009, 03:19:36 am
Only partially is Boosty fought in morph ball mode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgDUj4Uc2LM) When he's in puddle form, then you fight with a Morph Ball, when he's not, that's when you Light Beam him to death.

Now stop trying to confuse everyone!  :p
Drat, you saw through my evil plot!

That, and I'm dumb.