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Should've put Phasma on Canto Bight to recognize + pursue Finn, thus not wasting her character + giving Canto a better tie to the overall story.

Phasma's role is so incredibly minor that I don't think it would affect anything if she was just written out of the script altogether, although I suppose the same applies to Hux. I feel like they're just there to give some faces for the First Order.

 

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That's kinda what I was alluding to though. Phasma should have been Finn's antagonist. They completely wasted her in this role by giving a fight she should have had with Finn to a random stormtrooper in the first film and then they messed up again here by putting her in a fight when it was already much too late to make us care whether she likes or doesn't like Finn.

Although having her go to Canto Bright could have been quite a plot hole. Either she just randomly happens to be there or we're expected to believe that the First Order can somehow detect Rose and Finn leaving and yet still manage to miss the entire rebel fleet of shuttles leave. There might be ways to write around that but they don't come to mind.
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Phasma should've just been cut from the script altogether.
What purpose does she serve? A mid-boss character? A chump to square off against Finn when Rey squares off against her antagonist? Comic relief?

She's boring beyond all reckoning, might as well be a droid for all the character she has.   If they bring her back as a helmetless cyborg in Ep IX maybe she'll finally be something of mild interest but it will be difficult.

 

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She was in it because they couldn't figure out any way to sell Boba Fett toys for this one. But they forgot that not speaking much, wearing a helmet, and carrying a blaster isn't what made Boba Fett interesting.
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The only interesting thing Boba Fett ever do was **** up and die, so I think they actually nailed that part of his character pretty well.

 

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About the only thing interesting about him is the reputation he has that worried Han so much. With Phasma they didn't even have that. Personally I've never understood the fascination with Boba Fett. I do wonder if it only affects those who actually watched Empire in the cinema and had time to build up how cool he was before watching Jedi.
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While I agree that Boba Fett is a bit overrated, there are some things that Boba Fett does that make him more interesting and competent.

First, he's a bounty hunter. This adds an element of mystery and gives us something that's not the Empire and not the Resistance. Kind of like Hans and DJ actually. He actually pulls off some clever stuff, like hiding in the debris field and being able to track Hans. He has a flamethrower and jetpack, which makes him stand out, much in the way that simply having a light saber makes a character stand out more.

Plus, there's a bunch of out of movies lore stuff associated with him. A decent amount of his fandom got built up outside of the films, and of course, the prequels with him being a clone of Jango Fett and so on.

Granted it's not a whole lot, it's still more than when compared to Phasma, who literally just seems to exist to get beaten up.

 

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Fett was the coolest character in Empire, he was smart, cunning and dangerous. He was mysterious and treated Vader like any other client. The less he said, the better, the more you could build up in your own head, which many fans did. Fett was silly in Jedi, but I think that at that point, he already had been established as [RLM]very cool, very very cool[/RLM].

 

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I have never understood the fascination with Fett.  Does he even get 5 minutes of total screen time in ESB?  I might re-watch it today with my kid, who's home sick, so I'll time it.
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Yeah, I was confused in the prequels as to why they would bring up such a minor character.

 

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Although having her go to Canto Bright could have been quite a plot hole. Either she just randomly happens to be there or we're expected to believe that the First Order can somehow detect Rose and Finn leaving and yet still manage to miss the entire rebel fleet of shuttles leave. There might be ways to write around that but they don't come to mind.

She's there gathering funds and talking up the FO's recent conquests, tying into the fact that Bight is supposed to be a major source of war finance.

 

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That might have worked. Bit of a stretch but nothing compared to the ones we had to accept in the first film.
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The only interesting thing Boba Fett ever do was **** up and die, so I think they actually nailed that part of his character pretty well.

Fett was a good tracker, or he anticipated Hans movements certainly and seemed to handle himself okay with a blaster but the fact he gets killed by a blind dude tells me that he was never that great.

I don't understand the Boba Fett mythos either, I'm guessing it's just some EU crap in the same way that everyone has a raging boner for Thrawn.  Thrawn might be cool btw don't know as I never got past the first or second chapter.

 

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Ended up watching ESB today.  Fett's grand total contributions on screen.
-Gets told "no disintegrations."
-Stands around during carbonite freezing.
-Walks with gun to ship when escorting Han/Leia.
-Loads Han into ship.

Yeah, really badass.
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The sum total of it is that he was this silent dude with a kickass helmet.  Apparently that's enough.

 

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That's not completely fair. He was the only person to figure out Han's plan of grappling to the Star Destroyer. He obviously is pretty competent as a bounty hunter. And I do agree that the fact that he talks back to Vader does suggest that he is pretty confident (or so moronically overconfident that he doesn't realise Vader could kill him as easily as snapping his fingers).

But yeah, his reputation as a badass fighter from Empire is completely at odds with what we see in film. Which is why I've always found it strange that people consider the fact he got taken out so easily in Jedi to be a massive flaw in the film. We have literally no proof that he's actually good at fighting beyond what we see in Jedi. And on the basis of that, not so much. He does actually do much better than anyone else would have against Luke but he then goes on to ignores a pair of enemies within striking distance of him to concentrate on another target. And when one of those enemies is a wookie, he might as well have just thrown himself into the pit and be done with it.
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He deals with the fact vader co-killed his dad pretty well too...
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He deals with the fact vader co-killed his dad pretty well too...

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Pretty sure Mace Windu kills Jango.  I don't even think Anakin was involved, but I could be wrong.  Haven't seen AotC in quite a while.

Boba Fett is lame and I don't get why he's so popular.

 

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He deals with the fact vader co-killed his dad pretty well too...

Very few people did know Anakin was Vader and Fett wasn't one of them.
Hell, in the 2015 Darth Vader comic series when he drops the name of the kid that destroyed the Death Star (he was hired by Vader to find out) he seems largely indifferent that the kid is named "Skywalker" so it's clear that other than "Mace Windu killed my dad" he probably had no particular knowledge about the Jedi.
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