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Archived Boards => The Apocalypse Project => The Archive => Archived The Apocalypse Project Threads => Topic started by: pecenipicek on December 30, 2010, 07:21:13 pm
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Enjoy the first video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVD2LZqnz30&hd=1), feedback much appreciated. Read description of the video on youtube.
Also, download this (http://tap.hard-light.net/downloads/TAP-vid1.mkv) for a youtube unmutilated, 188 megabytes in size, 1280x1024, 30fps version of the video. Probably a lot better quality to boot.
Second video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4bmoEFJ5OA&hd=1), demonstrating the revised flak effect. Full resolution version availible here (http://tap.hard-light.net/downloads/TAP-vid2.mkv), 38 or so megabytes to download.
There be a THIRD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvYx5114wSo) video here. Thank Scourge Of Ages for that one.
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Feedback?
Anyone ?
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I don't know what that background was supposed to be, but it looks frickin epic! And the sounds... it definitely felt and sounded really different to FS, and I liked it a lot. I'd never heard of Homeworld before I joined HLP, but yeah, this looks awesome.
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Looks a lot like HW2, sounds like it too. The sounds are a tad muffled to me, but it's ok.
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Certainly does Homeworld justice. Worthy of being based on it in my opinion.
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Okay, really, really nice. Heh, I always liked the idea of flying a Hiigaran fighter. But for that matter. I didn't like the weird small explosions in the first video. Dunno, looked very weird. 0:42 as an example.
Also, the ships looked really really slow compared to how I remember HW2...
The capship battle looked :eek:, but I saw one turret go down pretty easily.... 3:09-3:10 to see what I mean
Also, the trails on the missiles could do with a bit more work.
The backgrounds were very, very nice, the ships looked pretty amazing too:D You are definitely on the right trail!
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Looks a lot like HW2, sounds like it too. The sounds are a tad muffled to me, but it's ok.
The sounds are crap to be honest, 11kHz stuff upsampled to 48kHz, go figure why it sounds like crap.
Okay, really, really nice. Heh, I always liked the idea of flying a Hiigaran fighter. But for that matter. I didn't like the weird small explosions in the first video. Dunno, looked very weird. 0:42 as an example.
Ahh, the flak explosion effect. It still uses one of FSO effects for something. Forgot to change it i guess, my deepest apologies...
Also, the ships looked really really slow compared to how I remember HW2...
The capship battle looked :eek:, but I saw one turret go down pretty easily.... 3:09-3:10 to see what I mean
Also, the trails on the missiles could do with a bit more work.
The backgrounds were very, very nice, the ships looked pretty amazing too:D You are definitely on the right trail!
egads the turrets. i always want to do something about that and i always promptly forget -.-
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:yes: : Feels a lot like HW2. Even down to the engine sounds! Really makes me want to play it.
:no: : The Freespace HUD is a splash of cold water to the face. I think for such a mod it'd really help to create a minimalist's HUD with a thin crosshair, ridding the side brackets etc and making the target window and all other details a whole lot more slim. That way it can give this already great looking mod SUCH a fresh look that it'd no longer feel like a FS2 mod (but more like a total conversion on it's own). Alternately maybe the player can be forced to play in third-person view.
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Its all placeholder. Even though i'm off the team now, I can tell ya that this is allin the works.
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:yes: : Feels a lot like HW2. Even down to the engine sounds! Really makes me want to play it.
:no: : The Freespace HUD is a splash of cold water to the face. I think for such a mod it'd really help to create a minimalist's HUD with a thin crosshair, ridding the side brackets etc and making the target window and all other details a whole lot more slim. That way it can give this already great looking mod SUCH a fresh look that it'd no longer feel like a FS2 mod (but more like a total conversion on it's own). Alternately maybe the player can be forced to play in third-person view.
i didnt get around to remaking the HUD yet :D Thanks for the feedback tho :)
Also, first post updated with the second video.
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I think you got the feel and look of it right. An updated HUD would be needed, I'm sure, seems like the HUD is kind of 'trademark' now - we associate FS very closely with it.
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Gameplay wise in HW2 a single fighter is nearly worthless, It makes for a difficult transition into a first person fight sim. I noticed that the autocannon is fairly weak, just as it was in the original. Will the player be able to respawn as other fighters or do something else to affect the game? Or will you rebalance things to make single fighters more powerful like in Freespace?
The shotgun flak from the HW2 flak frigate looks more like the Karuna shotgun flak in BP:WIH. With the smokey residue. Not a huge thing, but it would add to that homeworld feel.
Looks nice overall, this mod has a lot of potential.
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I was not too impressed by the video, to be honest. One of the things I found particularly strange was the huge size of the torpedoes, which was just... impractical looking. Personally, I think scaling down those ship-to-ship torpedoes would be a good idea.
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Only watched about the first 2 mins of the video, I'll try to get the rest later.
Thus far, you're looking good. Fighter actions look the be occurring at high speeds, and dogfighting cannons aren't very powerful- good translation of Homeworld mechanics. To the player, this should mean intense, high-skill dogfights, aka- fun.
This will be a mod to watch- I'm certainly interested to see what you guys can accomplish.
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Models are very well designed, backgrounds are amazing (except that weird purple swirly thing). Sounds need to be a little better/higher quality. I personally think that the new 3.6.12 flak looks more HW2 than what you have in place now. You also definitely need muzzle flashes, especially for the destroyer turrets to get the HW2 feel of those ballistic cannons. Maybe some smoke and stuff for when missles launch from destroyers as well? Don't know if thats possible though. And as was previously stated, you need to make sure that the fighters/bombers have a decent role to play in the bigger battles.
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With ALL turrets being destructible permanently, bombers will play a large role. When bombers play a large role, fighters also do.
BTW- What about setting everything that was indestructible (subsystems, turrets on some ships) in HW to untargetable and invulnarable in TAP?
As for the second vid, I noticed that the turrets have a near 0 rotation time. It was quite the opposite in HW. You could give realistic rotation times, and there should be a flag somewhere in the .tbl's that makes sure a gun doesn't fire until it's pointing at the target.
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Models are very well designed,
Unfortunately, they are all retail HW2 with normal maps from the HW2 2.0 mod.
backgrounds are amazing (except that weird purple swirly thing).
Thank PyroMX for them :D Sounds need to be a little better/higher quality.
We know, unfortunately, atm there's not much we can do on that front, since we lack anyone with sound effect creation abilities.
I personally think that the new 3.6.12 flak looks more HW2 than what you have in place now. You also definitely need muzzle flashes, especially for the destroyer turrets to get the HW2 feel of those ballistic cannons. Maybe some smoke and stuff for when missles launch from destroyers as well? Don't know if thats possible though. And as was previously stated, you need to make sure that the fighters/bombers have a decent role to play in the bigger battles.
Its all possible, this is all work in progress at the moment anyhow :)
With ALL turrets being destructible permanently, bombers will play a large role. When bombers play a large role, fighters also do.
Its possible, unlikely that any will actually be as easily destructible as they are at the moment, but, certainly possible.
BTW- What about setting everything that was indestructible (subsystems, turrets on some ships) in HW to untargetable and invulnarable in TAP?
Possible, but not really something i'd like to go with.
As for the second vid, I noticed that the turrets have a near 0 rotation time. It was quite the opposite in HW. You could give realistic rotation times, and there should be a flag somewhere in the .tbl's that makes sure a gun doesn't fire until it's pointing at the target.[/color]
it was my mistake with rotation times. was fuddling around with tables. as for the gun firing until pointing at the target, all of the multipart turrets have that already.
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Like i have writen in a reply to the video. You should take a look at the Path To Victory mod for Homeworld 2 and ask them for permission to use their work http://www.moddb.com/mods/path-to-victory1 . A Freespace mod based on that was kind of a recent idea cropping around my head:P Also a lot of ships there have secondary, anti fighter weapons making them more suited for a space sim like freespace.
But on to whatwe have now: It is definatly possible to do a muzzle flash + smoke effect on gun turrets, since the Earth Frigates in Blue Planet have such an effect on thoir long range guns. Not sure about the missiles though.
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its possible on both. but some people here fail to grasp the scale and the sheer amount of work neccesary for all of that :D
as for the path to victory, i'd like to point you to what their mission is, and compare it to ours. :D
(in short, we have no use of their assets unfortunately.)
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With ALL turrets being destructible permanently, bombers will play a large role. When bombers play a large role, fighters also do.
Its possible, unlikely that any will actually be as easily destructible as they are at the moment, but, certainly possible.
You could always pimp the subsystems' HP percentage and set subsystem damage to 'pretty low' on everything except bombs and anti-subsystem bombs to be sure the bombers have something to do.
Are you including custom made ships from mods later on?
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Personally, I think scaling down those ship-to-ship torpedoes would be a good idea.
Indeed, right now the size of explosions produced by them is not much larger than the "bomb" itself, which looks weird to me.
Other than that, I likes.
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With ALL turrets being destructible permanently, bombers will play a large role. When bombers play a large role, fighters also do.
Its possible, unlikely that any will actually be as easily destructible as they are at the moment, but, certainly possible.
You could always pimp the subsystems' HP percentage and set subsystem damage to 'pretty low' on everything except bombs and anti-subsystem bombs to be sure the bombers have something to do.
there will be something, but it will not be really too similar to FS.
Are you including custom made ships from mods later on?[/color]
doubtful.
Personally, I think scaling down those ship-to-ship torpedoes would be a good idea.
Indeed, right now the size of explosions produced by them is not much larger than the "bomb" itself, which looks weird to me.
Other than that, I likes.
we'll fix them eventually :p
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Those videos just drive home the sad point as to how useless fighters are in Homeworld... and I like fighters. Looks pretty challenging to aim too, with only two simple cannons and no missiles...
Playing around in HW2, I thought those rapid firing cannon sounds were great (should be the one used on the fighter being flown too), but now when I hear them extracted and in an FS mod... I guess they really do need remastering or something...
Rapid firing cannon sounds are something I could never get right in any of my FS modding attempts... the sounds I used from here and there either never felt right, or somehow felt weak in comparison to the visuals of the guns being fired...
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This is bound to become a dream mod for me. I have been a fan of the HW series for more than a decade now. I'll be looking forward to this. Good luck and thanks for that gameplay video, it was totally awesome!
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Here there be activity!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvYx5114wSo
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updated first post again.
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Woah, this is absolutelt brilliant. Even if its in such early stage, I love the amtosphere you showed in that video. If it only was skyboxed...
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I just want to know what is the purple swirly background! I thought it could maybe be the space between a massive sun and a small black hole that orbit each other, but that's a wiiiiiiiiiiiild guess...
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Good stuff there. Keep it up.
(I'm sad to say that while I played HW/2/Cata, I wasn't really ever that into it, but this is a really DAMN fine piece of work here)
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I really like the delay when a ship gets destroyed. Very nice subtle effect. :yes:
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Looking good fellah's. ;)
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Looking good fellah's. ;)
Holy crap, look at who crawled out of the woodwork? XD
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cool looking vid. Nice to see the mod's come this far.