[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Hades
Just wondering, what are you going to do if we don't put in the Sagiattarius?

He said in his post: he'd walk.  Not that he wants to, but he might.

...what has you bent on that name? What's the matter with the name Ark Royal?
...
Although I don't want you to quit, if you keep demanding things, I can let you go.

Hades, he isn't asking for much.  Just the Battle of Ribos (which you've granted) and a stupid ship name (which, from your post, it looks like you've left the door open for).  To throw it back at you, why are you pushing for Ark Royal(e)?  Although a class called Sagittarius might sound weird in hindsight to those who have the experience from FS1 and FS2, there's nothing that intrinsically prevents it.  The Sagittarius was developed before first contact with the Vasudans, and therefore probably before the name Sagittarius became associated with a wing.  So that takes care of the wing problem.  The wing was given the same name as the class, not the other way around.  Besides, how many Shivan cruisers were named SC Parvati?

[Solatar]

We already have a modern carrier. I just need the model for an older one, and I'll do the tables and everything.

EDIT: Okay, before we met the Vasudans, what did we use for wing names?

666 posts!

[Goober5000]

Probably Greek letters for friendly ships, and colors for enemies, as in Star Wars.  The Tech database said that when the GTA encountered the Vasudans, they gave their wings names according to constellations, which implies that those names hadn't yet been used for wings.

[Solatar]

So, we'll use something like Red wing, and such.

Anyway, in the tech database it says they named the SHIPS after EGYPTION stuff.

Okay, if it is okay with Thor, I can change the carrier from Ark Royal, to Sagittarius. Ark Royal sounds more like a ship name, not a class.

[HotSnoJ]

I'll ask my dad what wings were called when he was in the Navy. He might add some realisism to the mod :yes:

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Eishtmo
Hades, Thor, don't make me kill you.  I want the name Sagittarius for a very old carrier class (developed, built and used pre-UW, and survived to the 14 Year War because they were so well designed).  If you don't like it, tough luck.  I can rewrite the timeline, I'll let you add quasi-beam weapons when there really shouldn't be any, I'll let you invent ship classes that likely didn't exist for the time period, but I want that name and the Battle of Ribos.  Everything else is yours to do with as you please.  If you can't let me have this one little thing, I'm gone.  You can build the whole damn thing yourself.  I just want the ship class and the battle AND THESE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE!

GOT ME!?

You're..um...a bit keen on this, aren't you?

[Solatar]

Originally posted by HotSnoJ
I'll ask my dad what wings were called when he was in the Navy. He might add some realisism to the mod :yes:

Same with me. My Uncle was in the airforce. Flew A-10's. I'll ask him also.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Eishtmo


  As to the name Sagitarius, he was a great archer, a great hunter and teacher in mythology, he's got his own constilation, and he was hung like a horse (half man-half horse).  Frankly, its only one of two things I want out of this mess, the other being the reservation of the Battle of Ribos.  I don't see why you have such a problem with it Thor.  It's not like I want it named after myself or something.

Besides, it shortens well.  The Sagi (pronounce up to the "t").  And I like the name, so there.

Chiron?

(http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/chiron.html)

[Solatar]

Okay, that's cool. But I've already changed the name of the carrier. Okay Eish, what do you want it to say in the tech description.

Aldo, that cutter you gave us is now the GTFg Kraken. Armed with quite a few 50 Calibers.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Hades
So, we'll use something like Red wing, and such.

Anyway, in the tech database it says they named the SHIPS after EGYPTION stuff.

Exactly: the SHIPS were named after Egyptian stuff.  The WINGS were named after constellations.

[Thor]

AHH!  I vanish for another two days and the whole thing changes once again.  Just give Esh, the Sagitarius.  Now fill me in on what the heck is going on around here?

[Goober5000]

Quick summary:

Ark Royale is now the Sagittarius
Ticonderoga is now the Leo
Sovereign is now the Reliant (it better be )

During the Unification War:
Friendly wings are Greek letters (Alpha, Beta...)
Enemy wings are colors (Vermillion, Azure, Chartreuse... )

During the T-V War:
Friendly wings are Greek letters (Alpha, Beta...)
Enemy wings are constellations (Aries, Pieces...)

I think that sums most of it up.

EDIT: 100 posts!  

[Thor]

Ok, Does anyone care about the LEO?  If not, why don't we just leave it the Repulse, but up it to a battle cruiser.  Again, I think Leo is a crummy name for a class of ship.  And before we all get confused, lets set up some names to use

Class:  A run of identical ships, ie: Orion Class
Type:  what type of ship it is, ie: Orion is a destroyer

Edit:  Yeah sure, Reliant away!  I'm putting the Sovereign name to a better use though.

[EdrickV]

Originally posted by Thor
Ok, Does anyone care about the LEO?  If not, why don't we just leave it the Repulse, but up it to a battle cruiser.  Again, I think Leo is a crummy name for a class of ship.  And before we all get confused, lets set up some names to use

Class:  A run of identical ships, ie: Orion Class
Type:  what type of ship it is, ie: Orion is a destroyer

Edit:  Yeah sure, Reliant away!  I'm putting the Sovereign name to a better use though.

Come to think of it, hasn't Leo been used as a wing name too?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Eishtmo
Hades, Thor, don't make me kill you.  I want the name Sagittarius for a very old carrier class (developed, built and used pre-UW, and survived to the 14 Year War because they were so well designed).  If you don't like it, tough luck.  I can rewrite the timeline, I'll let you add quasi-beam weapons when there really shouldn't be any, I'll let you invent ship classes that likely didn't exist for the time period, but I want that name and the Battle of Ribos.  Everything else is yours to do with as you please.  If you can't let me have this one little thing, I'm gone.  You can build the whole damn thing yourself.  I just want the ship class and the battle AND THESE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE!

GOT ME!?

Owzat?








http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiWIP.3ds

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Thor
Ok, Does anyone care about the LEO?

Eishtmo does...

If not, why don't we just leave it the Repulse, but up it to a battle cruiser.

No, no, no...the Repulse is still called the Repulse.  The Leo (nee Ticonderoga) is something else - a carrier, I think.

The thing with Leo and Sagittarius is that they are two sister ships.  Eishtmo's more concerned about the Sagittarius, but he wants the Leo too.  I'm not sure exactly what he's got up his sleeve, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Again, I think Leo is a crummy name for a class of ship.

Well, here we go again. See my previous justification for the use of Sagittarius.  The Sagittarius ship class came before anyone thought of assigning the name Sagittarius to a wing.  Same with the Leo.

And before we all get confused, lets set up some names to use

Class:  A run of identical ships, ie: Orion Class
Type:  what type of ship it is, ie: Orion is a destroyer

Except sometimes people say "class" when they're referring to a cruiser or destroyer too... which further confuses the issue.

Edit:  Yeah sure, Reliant away!  I'm putting the Sovereign name to a better use though.

Cool.  Thanks.

[Goober5000]

Nice ship, aldo! That the Sagittarius?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Nice ship, aldo! That the Sagittarius?

'twas intended as it, but i'm intending on vastly altering the fine detail of the design now, to try and get a bit more..I dunno..'fluidity' to it.  Also a more Orion-ish feel.  Think of it as a basic outline of some of the key features (the underslung fighterbay, the engine config)

[Solatar]

Here's an update of what we have.

Ticonderoga model is the Leo battlecruiser.
Cutter model by Aldo has been reskinned with Orion style textures, and is called the GTFg Kraken.
Ryx's caririer is the Sagittarius, although this was before that new model from Aldo. It will now revert to either Pleiades ( I've been spelling that wrong for weeks now ) or Ark Royal.
The new repair installation from Woomeister is the GTI Achilles.
The new gas miner is out at the moment, I need a name, and type for it.
As for the sovereign/reliant, when did this come of age? I never recieved any information about me having a Reliant. Where's the model?
Mauler from Cradinal Spear is in now. It's the PVF Amenta. we have enough Vasudan bombers.

That is what we have.

I haven't downloaded that model from aldo yet, is it in .pof? I'm on a 56k right now, so it will take a while.

EDIT: The Leo is a battlecruiser. It is the escort ship of the Sagittarius carrier. That one was going in anyway, and will take part in the Vega Engagement.

EDIT2: The Ticonderoga was never a ship class. It was changed to Repulse before it even was put into the game. But now it is the GTBC Leo. The Pleiades is/was the GTCa Sagittarius.

[Thor]

Woo and shrike both have battle cruisers coming.  We should leave Shrikes as the Damoclease(sp?).  Anyway, the gas miner is simply what it was called on Peg's concept page.