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Tell us about your behavior in Act 3!

I had no technical issues running Act 3
I had some technical issues running Act 3
I can't run Act 3 :(
I read most of the material in the dreamscape
I didn't spend much time in the dreamscape
I sanitized the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
I released the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
I believed the Ridwan pilots had to die
I don't think the Ridwan pilots had to die
Kovacs was my favorite wingman
Falconer was my favorite wingman
Vidaura was my favorite wingman
Those wingmen were not my favorite people
I had a horrible time on the assassination
I had no trouble pulling off the assassination
I used the decoy transport during the assassination
I used the sensor flashbang during the assassination
I hacked a Mjolnir during the assassination
I pulled that assassination off with NO ITEMS
I destroyed the Gef reactor in 'One Future'
I captured the Gef habitat in 'One Future'
'One Future' made me regret my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
I hated flying the Custos-X
I loved flying the Custos-X
I was overwhelmed by 'Her Finest Hour'
I adapted well to 'Her Finest Hour'
I destroyed the Carthage
I took the Carthage's surrender
I summoned the Toutatis in 'Her Finest Hour'
I got the Toutatis killed by Serkr in 'Her Finest Hour'
I had no trouble with the turret placement in 'Eyes in the Storm'
Placing turrets was tricky during 'Eyes in the Storm'
I wasn't bothered by 'Universal Truth'
'Universal Truth' really freaked me out
I met the face of madness in 'Universal Truth'
I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact
I found the laughing man in 'Universal Truth'
I recognize the necessity of the Fedayeen
I'm uncomfortable with the Fedayeen
I have supported the UEF, and still do
I have supported the GTVA, and still do
I changed sides from UEF to GTVA
I changed sides from GTVA to UEF
Humanity is doomed!
Humanity has a chance!

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Offline Droid803

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I had some technical issues running Act 3
Music would lag a lot, also the assassination mission the signal strength thing was being finnicky (no signal from anything), but went away after a few restarts. IDK what happened there.

I read most of the material in the dreamscape
Didn't really care for a lot of the character interaction thing, but read it just in case there was something important. Like Kobrar, I liked what Thorn had to say though.

I sanitized the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
Orders. 'twas afraid of fission mailing if I let them go.

I don't think the Ridwan pilots had to die
Pretty sure could have other options, but I had them killed anyway, because see above.

Kovacs was my favorite wingman
Out of the three I liked Kovacs. He was probably the most connectable. He's a bro. Though tbh the wingmen weren't super interesting, their presence (and plot armor) were welcome.

I had a horrible time on the assassination
See question 1 answer. Also I liked blowing myself up with shrikes.

I hacked a Mjolnir during the assassination
So I ended up doing this.

I destroyed the Gef reactor in 'One Future'
HIT THE WEAK SPOT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE (x2!). How could I resist.

'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
Well, I don't see any reason to show them any mercy if they're insane enough to colony drop a colony inhabited by their own people.

I loved flying the Custos-X
Capship command + can actually fire? Yay.

I adapted well to 'Her Finest Hour'
I got pretty much all the objectives! And called in all the reinforcements I could (pretty much)! And they all died!

I took the Carthage's surrender
it's got that cool dark orion texture. how could i kill it.

I summoned the Toutatis in 'Her Finest Hour'
The mission was dragging cause the Vikrant wasn't doing anything for a while, and everything else friendly (other than the plot-invul wingmen) were dead.

I had no trouble with the turret placement in 'Eyes in the Storm'
Was straightforward after I remembered to re-bind left-ctrl after unbinding it for the stealth mission.

I wasn't bothered by 'Universal Truth' (forgot to select this so +1 to that one D:)
Not all that minduckery (might be desensitized - also, FreeSpace origin of the shivans etc. have been discussed LOTS, wasn't going to be surprised by anything really that made sense), but it was a good infodump and had nice atmosphere.
It was also a very impressive piece of FREDding work. After the previous mission I expected to play another actual mission and not to watch a movie, but hey, it was pretty damn awesome.

I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact
Well, it said I achieved the "stay sane" objective despite my mental integrity being aijsip18090290ad. Which pretty much amounted to that choice at the end didn't it...

I'm uncomfortable with the Fedayeen
Well, they're kind of odd. And they're necessary to the story, but I'm not entirely convinced on their necessity for the UEF. Maybe for humanity?

I have supported the GTVA, and still do
The UEF just looks like a worse prospect because even the Vishnans have given up on them, apparently lol.

Humanity has a chance!
I too, have faith in our favorite mustached monologuer turned Shivan Hyper-intelligence.



All in all, great release - really liked how the gameplay was focused on as opposed to WiH p1/2 where the gameplay at some points almost felt like simply going through the motions so you could get at the story.
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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Universal Truth isn't just a movie, it's quite possible to go nuts and fail (and not just at the end).

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I had some technical issues running Act 3

Crashed once at loading second mission and Icini didn't show up first time playing universal truth

I read most of the material in the dreamscape

I'm a sucker for a good story

I released the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'

Neomi is still a child of Ubuntu, she is not that far gone yet

I believed the Ridwan pilots had to die

The vods finding out the truth would have doomed the UEF

Those wingmen were not my favorite people

Didn't connect with them like i did with act 1/2 wingmen

I had no trouble pulling off the assassination

Found the traitor first time by accident as I didn't know what I was doing and just flew up to them once I had scanned the station.

I captured the Gef habitat in 'One Future'

See above with regards to other gef

'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots

can't make an omelet without breaking few eggs

I loved flying the Custos-X

why wouldn't I - its awesome

I adapted well to 'Her Finest Hour'

Told my wingmen to cover me and went in after their AWACs. Few hairy moments but got through it ok though some miners escaped.

I took the Carthage's surrender

I cant destroy another Orion - its my favorite cap ship

Placing turrets was tricky during 'Eyes in the Storm'

I spread them out to far to be effective

I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact

Just followed the instructions from ken

I recognize the necessity of the Fedayeen

All societies need their butchers - sometimes human nature is a twisted thing.

I have supported the UEF, and still do

I will always root for the underdog

Humanity has a chance!

BP3 would be crap otherwise
« Last Edit: January 12, 2013, 08:23:36 am by Gray113 »

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Universal Truth isn't just a movie, it's quite possible to go nuts and fail (and not just at the end).

What's that? A personal reflection on behalf of the dev team? :)

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I don't get it

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I think he means the sheer freding of it must have been a nightmare in itself. :P

Someone please give me a clue for where the laughing man is! This thing really is driving me insane.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I think he means the sheer freding of it must have been a nightmare in itself. :P

Someone please give me a clue for where the laughing man is! This thing really is driving me insane.

Spoiler:
Reach Saturn in Universal Truth, choose to remain until psychological collapse, don't get shot down for a few minutes

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I enjoyed WiH2 a lot, but I was surprised it was over so soon. I was expecting a semi-climatic stalemate battle with Steele as a cliffhanger. Still, nice!!! Yay for Simms living (had half expected Simms to also be one of the 4 Fedayeen wingmen), but with dreamscape Noemi'd know. Also nice Lopez was given (optional) mercy.

I had some technical issues running Act 3.
I had to switch GLSL off, even though having recent hardware. Then it worked flawless, except for that when I shoot weapons with my ship, there's a little white ball launching with it. Can screenshot if necessary. Got a new PC soon, am sure that'll run the game fine.

I read most of the material in the dreamscape
Nowadays I play Freespace mods for their story, not much more. So I made sure to read what I can. I loved the idea of dreamscape, seeing the changing text under the ship names as silent hints to the person the ship represents.

I released the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
I found the Gefs to be outside force that had no direct reason to fight other than blackmail. I released them, I prefer to get my hands dirty in this case myself and to take responsibility for my choices.

I believed the Ridwan pilots had to die
When they hop into the pilot seat, they accept the risk of dying. If I hadn't done it, a Tev pilot would have sooner or later if the mission had failed. Their death sooner or later was certain, now atleast it mattered.

Vidaura was my favorite wingman
She's well balanced, a killer and yet can put distance between what she does and what she thinks. She came to terms with what she did long ago. She can be manipulative if need be I'm sure.

 I see a bit of a resemblance between the horsemen of the apocalypse and the 4 Fedayeen. Noemi as conquest, bringing war and ending war in favour of an advantage in the next war, but also conquering her own limitations and being the only one who can grow as a person of the 4. Kovacs as death for he seems to feel guilt and may be dead on the inside to me, now he brings death. Falconer as war as is a weapon which always was as she is now, Vidaura as famine as she starves you by reminding you of your sorrows and pains, until you feed on her sympathy, while she if she wants can get into your mind and drive you to do things.


I had no trouble pulling off the assassination
I remained careful, kept looking with the target options for nearby fighters and after a while figured out how to detect the signal. Died once, underestimating the Nyx escorts, then completed on the second run.

I hacked a Mjolnir during the assassination
I used the Mjolnir on the transport. I tried to access a second one to try and fire on the logistics vessel but the network got shut off. Would be nice if that'd be bonus points for setting back the Tev's if you're fast enough.

I captured the Gef habitat in 'One Future'
The Gef's are outsiders. Just because they're blind to events now does not mean they can't be inspired to reflect and see what is truly going on. Give them a chance to survive. Mercy inspires, when used with moderation, it gives hope and change.

'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
I find my reasons were valid before and after this mission.

I loved flying the Custos-X
Fun little ship. But I'd have liked it even better if it was such a prototype that the ship would quit on you halfway through. Shields failing, weapons stalling, it would have made the battle more tense than a timer. Then making a choice, do I let the transport board me and repair my problems, spending not only precious time but also risking it is shot off my hull, or do I move on with the problems and try my best.

I adapted well to 'Her Finest Hour'
I played it a bit chaotic but kept control. Did replay a few times by my choosing to get a good tactic. Went for sending my wingmen after the tankers right away, the artillery after the corvette that flew with them, while I took the bombers and Herc2's out so the frigate could escape. Then I shot the radomes off the AWACs and let my wingmen deal with the Auroras. I then scanned the station subsystems while letting my wingmen deal with the minelayer, while the artillery took care of the bigger cruiser. I then told the artillery to deal with the Corvettes under the Carthage while my wingmen took the dishes off the Carthage and I took out the beam cannons (which seem to repair, like in WiH1, cool!). I then disabled the Carthage with my wingmen and called in reinforcements to bring her to 6% hull and told them to depart, worried they'd kill her.

The Toutatis never arrived, until I did a replay in the mission simulator. I handles the situation before Laporte spoke her request I guess. Even then I played too fast to encounter Serkr as I already had the Carthage down to 10% or so.


I took the Carthage's surrender
Lopez does her job, she has integrity and her way of waging war is not personal, it is duty. My war with her was not personal in return and I allowed her to surrender. People like Lopez may be a positive voice someday if the Tev's and UEF someday make peace. Like stitches which soothe old wounds and keep them from re-opening someday, inciting change. She's a people person, she might be needed the most.

Placing turrets was tricky during 'Eyes in the Storm'
I'd prefer if pressing left or right and up or down would instantly switch to the next platform instead of having to aim. I also forgot to activate them first round. :P I'd not have mind if my wingmen had told me to wake up when the turrets got hit too often and that they'd have activated them instead, giving me a rant in the debriefing. Second time it went well. Was surprised to see my SOC Nyx (ezecsoc) retexture featured, nice!

'Universal Truth' really freaked me out
I almost felt something crawling behind my own eyes a few minutes in and I got itchy all over being afraid I'd have one of those 'screamers' pop up in my screen. Eventually I looked at my desk and my eyes up at the bottom of the screen and radar so I could avert my eyes with the first next scare. I don't usually play with volume at 10% either and it's the only mission which even though being curious, I won't replay to see what happens if I fly away from the light. I wasn't that tense since Skyrim + Draugr scare. I won't continue and embarrass myself further, next question. :D :D :D

I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact
Unstable (I guess that's close-to-trouble), but not mad, so Noemi recovered. I got really scared that it'd flip to insane suddenly and that I'd get some picture more scary than an eye pop up as punishment! I did read all the node info, after a reluctant restart mid-mission to see if that'd be possible.

I recognize the necessity of the Fedayeen
I also recognize that someday mankind can reach enlightenment and that elements of doubt and mistrust will be a block that needs to relinquish itself for mankind to reach the next stage. Until then the Fedayeen are a necessity. I do not recognize Noemi Laporte as Fedayeen, because the Fedayeen have resigned to being monsters (although a necessity) and cannot properly reflect upon their actions in a manner to learn and grow from it. They are tools. But Noemi reflects on her actions and grows as a person, doing right and wrong to see all things as a more whole picture, to create a contrast.

You can't tell shades of light or dark unless you see both. How else can you tell a bright shade, and an even brighter shade from eachother? Noeme is having a learning experience. The people Noemi looks down on aren't ants, they are just tiny because Noemi has grown as a person and sees that they still see things from narrow perspectives. And the fact that she can spare people, the Gefs, Lopez, for me confirms she grew beyond petty vengeance and perpetual actions and reactions, she breaks that chain. The day that people grow like Noemi has, the Fedayeen will no longer be a necessity.


I have supported the UEF, and still do
Persistence inspires change, it makes people think you're right and they are wrong, because they don't get their way by crushing you and thus start to doubt themselves. But I see the UEF as a sum of Noemi's efforts now, or it will be eventually. I do not support the Elders, although I pity their desperation which drives them ironically into being not what they intent to be: by not embracing change and risk, they are as blind as their aggressors to alternatives. Running circles, not dynamic, like Noemi's ants.

Humanity has a chance!
Humanity can grow to great levels, but the universe is dynamic and perhaps someday their ways, even when reaching enlightenment are not what the universe needs, and they too will die. Only the Shivans are eternal. You could say that anything which is not eternal is already dead. Because as time proceeds, the lifespan of something which at one point started and eventually ended becomes smaller and smaller in contrast to the timespan between point 0 and what is in the future the now.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 10:46:52 am by -Sara- »
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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Most of you took the Carthage's surrender?! Where's your sense of vengeance? Sweet, beautiful, ruthless, vengeance...
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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
There will be more vengeance obtained by studying captured combat evaluation prototype equipment and interrogating high-level prisoners than by simply destroying one ship.
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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
You get far more 'vengeance' by subverting everything that ship stood for than by simply destroying it. ;)

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Vengeance is hard, but forgiveness is much harder. But then, it is hard to have something that personal to just another rook on the chessboard rather that someone who said 'for me, it was tuesday'.

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
There will be more vengeance obtained by studying captured combat evaluation prototype equipment and interrogating high-level prisoners than by simply destroying one ship.

That's the main motivation for a lot of people I think. If Laporte simply blasted the thing solely for her own vengeance I'd hope she would be court-martialled for destroying such a valuable asset.

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
And if in case you missed it, there will be unique dialogue if you destroy each of the 3 corvettes, not in the debrief though.

 

Offline Killer Whale

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
The fedayeen make me uncomfortable yeah: The ends justify the means goes against everything I stand for, and yet... It makes sense. They are playing with such stakes that they cannot afford the luxury of morality, that is their purpose, if things ever return to a state of humanity not on the edge of extinction then I'd imagine the fedayeen would get their due from humanity over their atrocities, but for now they are necessary. Vidaura is the only wingmate I payed attention to, and the revelation of her being a serial killer epitomises fedayeen so well, they are a bunch of phycopaths, killers and immensely successful pilots, and hence a potent weapon. I try to hang on to morality, I let a few gefs live, I accept a defeated woman's surrender. One thing for sure, the feds no longer hold the moral high ground, if they ever did. This feels less of a grey and gray morality story as a black and black one, I'm not rooting for the GTVA, but I respect them more in relation to our side.
The final scene reminds me a bit of doctor who: "But you have no backdoors left, no forces, no plan." "Yeah, and doesn't that scare you to death." I don't see humanity getting out of extinction, but I hope they do.

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
One thing for sure, the feds no longer hold the moral high ground, if they ever did. This feels less of a grey and gray morality story as a black and black one, I'm not rooting for the GTVA, but I respect them more in relation to our side.

Who knows what the SOC is up to during the course of the war...Could be much worse than the Fedayeen.
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
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<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
It wouldn't surprise me if SOC is leading teams into quarantained space, salvaging Shivan tech to make some disturbing technology.
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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
It wouldn't surprise me if SOC is leading teams into quarantained space, salvaging Shivan tech to make some disturbing technology.

After all, they've had much greater exposure to Shivan Tech than the UEF could ever dream of...

+ if the GTI discovered Nagari, who's to say SOC and the GTVI don't know about it? They could have a weaponised version of it for all we know.  :shaking:
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
<21:11:58>   *** The_E joined #bp [email protected]
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<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 
Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
That's actually a nice idea.

The GTVI recovered the ETAK schematics from the Iceni in FS2, so they have knowledge of an artificial means of Nagari communication. If MORPHEUS is about purging Vishnan influenced elements from society, a great way of doing that would be somehow subvert the means through which they interact with the Vishnans by turning it into some kind of weapon or intel gathering device.

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
That's actually a nice idea.

The GTVI recovered the ETAK schematics from the Iceni in FS2, so they have knowledge of an artificial means of Nagari communication. If MORPHEUS is about purging Vishnan influenced elements from society, a great way of doing that would be somehow subvert the means through which they interact with the Vishnans by turning it into some kind of weapon or intel gathering device.

Byrne's sekret project might be a counter to exactly that.