Hard Light Productions Forums

Archived Boards => The Archive => MindGames => Topic started by: Silent Warrior on August 17, 2004, 03:22:54 am

Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Silent Warrior on August 17, 2004, 03:22:54 am
Um... It's been like seven months since anyone said anything here, and that was a post in Starborn FAQ. Any chance we could have some sort of status update? This month, even? :p The internal is apparently active, but what about the rest of us nobodies?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on August 17, 2004, 05:00:55 am
The MG team tend to be pretty secretive. We feel it adds to our overall mystery :)

That said I've been meaning to post a progress report for ages. Give me a day or two to put things together and I'll see what I can do :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Black Wolf on August 18, 2004, 03:33:14 am
*Throws support behind a status update*

Pimp dammit!
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on August 18, 2004, 03:50:19 am
We will when the time is right. We're getting some serious work done on the demo as we speak :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Silent Warrior on August 18, 2004, 08:59:58 am
Woohooo! That's a status report! FINALLYYYYYY! Cool, now I can die happy and stuff.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on August 18, 2004, 09:12:56 am
Im busy doing FRE....errr....stuff.

We're not lazing around doing nothing for sure though :p

Thats all im allowed to tell you...otherwise they'll get me...
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Silent Warrior on August 19, 2004, 12:57:22 am
Took you guys long enough, though. I can tell things have been going on (heck, you don't have a constantly lit "new posts"-icon just for being lazy), but there must have been something going on since January to report. And the report states: Activity, and a demo making progress. Yummy.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: JR2000Z on August 19, 2004, 01:01:48 am
It's a Jedi mind trick I tell you!
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on August 19, 2004, 01:24:14 am
I've posted a report on the internal saying exactly what we have and what we need. The team are looking over it and we'll give you a more detailed report of what's going on in a bit :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Gloriano on August 19, 2004, 11:24:26 am
*waits*
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on August 21, 2004, 11:20:19 am
Quote
Originally posted by JR2000Z
It's a Jedi mind trick I tell you!


They are playing Mind Games with you.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on August 21, 2004, 11:37:55 am
Finally someone gets it :D
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on August 21, 2004, 11:38:06 am
Mind Games
Don't trust your mind...

:shaking:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: magatsu1 on August 21, 2004, 12:50:36 pm
so long as you guys aren't planning on "doing a Reci."
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on August 21, 2004, 03:18:24 pm
I've told Geezer that even if everyone wondered off I'd write all the missions myself :D

Okay guys. Come back. That doesn't mean that if you pretend to walk off I'll do your work for you!
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Anaz on September 07, 2004, 09:27:46 pm
Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain
Mind Games
Don't trust your mind...

:shaking:



brainzzzz.....
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Moonsword on September 08, 2004, 07:13:08 am
*smacks zombie around, pulls out flamethrower*

Has anyone but me noticed the fact that they were talking on internal a fair bit, just not out in public?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on September 08, 2004, 07:21:45 am
Because there is much we should hide from public. To get spoiler material, call +3615374599 or write to our hidden E-mail address to [email protected]$0.com. Bear in mind that this E-mail address is so hiden that none of the MG staffers know about it, so only hackers who accidentally come across this E-mail address can read your message.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 08, 2004, 07:29:31 am
Quote
Originally posted by Anaz



brainzzzz.....



:D






I'd post a non-spoiler shot. That is if I'm allowed to do so...
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 08, 2004, 01:16:42 pm
Of course. :D
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 08, 2004, 02:38:40 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Anaz



brainzzzz.....
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: InfernoGod on September 10, 2004, 04:52:16 pm
:) :) :) :) :) [insert smiley that turns and eats other smileys here]
:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: [insert the above smiley again]
:lol: Smiley: HAHA! They all got eaten! [insert above smiley again]
Smiley isn't laughing so hard now, is he?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Setekh on September 11, 2004, 05:39:47 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
(http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=540394)


Hey, I remember that turret. :lol:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 12, 2004, 07:48:49 am
Here is a so-so shot. Won't spoil too much I hope ;)

(http://img81.exs.cx/img81/60/mindgames.jpg)

Perhaps I'll take a better shot later.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on September 12, 2004, 08:19:22 am
I haven't seen that explosion effect yet. Is it possible I do not have the most up-to-date files?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on September 12, 2004, 08:20:11 am
I think thats Dabrain's custom one - the one he released externally for use by anyone as an upgrade to the original effect. :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 12, 2004, 08:33:20 am
That's right. I'm using my effects for all mods ;)

MG has a shockwave.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 12, 2004, 01:29:22 pm
As promised, here are some additional shots.



(http://img30.exs.cx/img30/6982/mindgames2.jpg)

Here is a Aten MK II
(http://img30.exs.cx/img30/3443/mindgames3.jpg)

Here is no Aten Mk II anymore ;7
(http://img30.exs.cx/img30/2029/mindgames4.jpg)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 12, 2004, 05:59:07 pm
Please tell me the Aten MkII isn't just a reskinned Aten... :shaking:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 12, 2004, 06:28:01 pm
There are some other differences. We might be altering it some more though :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Goober5000 on September 12, 2004, 07:58:34 pm
Rumpfschaden? :wtf:

What is that, German for "Butt Kicked"? :lol:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Night Hammer on September 12, 2004, 08:38:30 pm
haha, can we get some non-deustche screenies :p
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 12, 2004, 08:54:11 pm
What big difference does it make wether it's in German or not? You're not reading the warning messages. If you're reading anything at all, it's the messages from the personas in game, and those are always done in English. :wtf:

*decides to change his language settings to german, for future MT and TVWP screenies*
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 13, 2004, 03:59:31 am
How can you change the language?

Wenn hier sowieso keiner Deutsch versteht, kann ich ja ein paar Geheimnisse von Mind Games auf deutsch verraten. ;7


@Goober5000
"Rumpfschaden" is the exact translation for "Butt Kicked".  ;)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 13, 2004, 09:10:24 am
If you run regedit, you can navigate to a section that says language, and change it from deutsche to english.  Although all of your other files will still be in german, the text seems to be switched to english.  Or atleast that's how it worked, in reverse, for me.

Oh... do what you said... ;)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on September 13, 2004, 09:13:42 am
ooo! ooo!
Can I post a screenie too??

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/anandraj/Mgscrn.jpg)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on September 13, 2004, 09:25:33 am
and another one:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/anandraj/mgscrn1.jpg)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 13, 2004, 11:02:51 am
So you're using claymores, too, huh?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on September 13, 2004, 11:26:50 am
That's no Claymore, that's the Vesuvius.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Goober5000 on September 13, 2004, 12:16:41 pm
Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain
Wenn hier sowieso keiner Deutsch versteht, kann ich ja ein paar Geheimnisse von Mind Games auf deutsch verraten. ;7
Es gibt immer Babelfische. :p
Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain
"Rumpfschaden" is the exact translation for "Butt Kicked".  ;)
Really? :lol:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Gloriano on September 13, 2004, 02:04:10 pm
Nice screens :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 13, 2004, 02:15:30 pm
Quote
Originally posted by TopAce
That's no Claymore, that's the Vesuvius.



Oh... err... that's right. Silly me. That's what I get for not playing any fan made campaigns... i have to rely on my shoddy memory. :p
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 13, 2004, 02:20:59 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
:pReally? :lol:


Yeah sure! :nervous:
Try Babelfish, it will give you "Butt Kicked", if not it's not working right.... errrm. ;7
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on September 13, 2004, 02:21:03 pm
It's not as grave mistake as this one:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Taristin on September 13, 2004, 04:16:11 pm
That's what happens when you run win98 at an airport... :rolleyes:
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 13, 2004, 04:35:29 pm
Yeah, Windows can really make you have a bad day ;)

(http://img9.exs.cx/img9/85/fault2.jpg)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Kosh on September 15, 2004, 01:10:13 am
Is the Aten Mk. 2 any good? Have the Vasudans finally figured out how to make great cruisers?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: DaBrain on September 15, 2004, 02:15:11 am
It is more dangerous than the MKI, but won't tell you why :p
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 05:06:18 am
a) Why are you still using the Valkyrie Mk2 & Vesuvius?  Use the aurora & Donar (http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/3dactionplanet/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/gtf_donar.zip) instead or something]

b) anyone who wants the Claymore (http://www.aldo14.f2s.com/portfolio/claymore5.jpg) only has to ask (and,er, add the docking paths - PCS doesn't work - and make the interface art).
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 15, 2004, 06:05:04 am
We quite like the Valkyrie Mk II & Vesuvius. :D

That and the fact we've used them in the cutscenes and interface art etc makes it harder to change fighters now.

Of course we could include some newer fighters in addition to them and simply make them an older class of fighters.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 06:09:20 am
Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
We quite like the Valkyrie Mk II & Vesuvius. :D

 


But they're an embarrasment!

(sorry, but i really hate it when these old fugly ships are used & I've made much better stuff)

Bah.

:p
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 15, 2004, 06:31:32 am
I know what you mean Aldo but they aren't actually that bad. Sure you've done much better stuff since then but that doesn't make the old stuff useless.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 07:42:57 am
Well, they are that bad, really.

Your choice tho. :)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on September 15, 2004, 08:13:21 am
We don't have to remodel them, so we save time. We don't have to splurge unneccesary time to remodel our mods. The Project Leading Department has this decision, either accept or refuse it. To be honestly, this step certainly increases our chances of ever finishing. Star Wars Conversion is not this logical, one day, our 'Let's increase the polycount here and there' politics will lead to our death. Unfortunatly, I have almost no modelling skills, so I cannot contribute anything to modelling and thereby I have no word in making decisions like these. Trust MindGames, you don't count polies if you are in the middle of an intense fight.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 08:21:10 am
Quote
Originally posted by TopAce
We don't have to remodel them, so we save time. We don't have to splurge unneccesary time to remodel our mods. The Project Leading Department has this decision, either accept or refuse it. To be honestly, this step certainly increases our chances of ever finishing. Star Wars Conversion is not this logical, one day, our 'Let's increase the polycount here and there' politics will lead to our death. Unfortunatly, I have almost no modelling skills, so I cannot contribute anything to modelling and thereby I have no word in making decisions like these. Trust MindGames, you don't count polies if you are in the middle of an intense fight.


FFS, you don't get it do you?  I was not suggesting a remodel or any extra work, I was suggesting a replacement that would look better.  Simply because I tend to see my old stuff be used more than the new stuff, and I feel that's a wee bit of a shame. (and, technically, the newer stuff is more efficient in terms of LODing and map size vs detail).

Kara explained that they couldn;t because of the hud / ani, etc artwork work that has been done, which I was not aware of, which is perfectly fair and I have no problems whatsoever with.  I was simply stating my reasons.

Ok?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on September 15, 2004, 08:23:58 am
Why did you quote the post which was RIGHT above your post? It is obvious which one you are answering for, right?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 15, 2004, 08:36:36 am
Quote
Originally posted by TopAce
Why did you quote the post which was RIGHT above your post? It is obvious which one you are answering for, right?


There's a good chance someone could post between you clicking on reply and clicking on submit after typing a responce. Especially when you're typing a long response.

Let's not have an arguement about posting ethics here cause I use the same style as Aldo does :D

Aldo : Is your main objection to the old mods the ship itself or the textures?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on September 15, 2004, 08:40:20 am
Urrr...Karajoma, i did forget to point out the rather obvious text for a certain FS2 faction on one of the Vesusivius' textures that might ruin the entire gameplay :/
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 08:49:18 am
Quote
Originally posted by karajorma


There's a good chance someone could post between you clicking on reply and clicking on submit after typing a responce. Especially when you're typing a long response.

Let's not have an arguement about posting ethics here cause I use the same style as Aldo does :D

Aldo : Is your main objection to the old mods the ship itself or the textures?


both.  Just, y'know, the general modelling, UV-ing, texturing, etc.  I'm a bit of a revisionist/perfectionist when it comes to these things.... I just don't like having these old crappy things floating around, because i'm not happy with them as a whole.  That's why i remade the Claymore 5 times (6 if you include the mk2).

It's kind of a facetitious/selfish thing - I don't want people to thing, for example, that the old Claymore or the Gryphon, or even the Daedelus is the best I can do.  Plus i thought it'd work better for you to have the newer models :).

(Actually, at one point I was remodelling the Ves for HTL, but i never actually started the process of drawing the maps. I think it was in the last modeldump, I don't have it locally so i don't know exactly how complete it was)

But, if you're using them for cutscenes and whatnot, then obviously you've got to stick with the work you have done rather than redo it.  I was just suggesting it as a helpful alternative, had it not posed any extra work.

I'm not going to throw a hissy fit over it ;)

NB: TopAce, it's always good to quote the post you're replying to, both for disambiguation (as Kara said), and in case said post is edited later on in a way that makes the overall thread confusing.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 15, 2004, 10:39:44 am
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
But, if you're using them for cutscenes and whatnot, then obviously you've got to stick with the work you have done rather than redo it.  I was just suggesting it as a helpful alternative, had it not posed any extra work.  


It may be possible to relagate the Vesuvius somewhat so it doesn't appear as often in the game and use another model in its place.  CannonFodder is as much of a perfectionist as you are so the interface art and cutscenes may also not pose a problem since he may decide to sit down and rework everything yet again anyway :)
 I'll look into it. Have you got any other suggestions as to what you think would be better than the ships we currently use? I can't promise anything but I don't mind getting feedback.

We're actually using a lot of your mods :D We're using the Piranha, Njord, Gagana, Peregrine, Reshev, Firehawk, Valkyrie, Stentor and Vela in MG so as you can see you're basically an unoffical team member :D

We also supposedly are using the Claymore Mk 1 but it got missed off the tables and no one ever remembered to add it :D

Quote
Originally posted by Singh
Urrr...Karajoma, i did forget to point out the rather obvious text for a certain FS2 faction on one of the Vesusivius' textures that might ruin the entire gameplay :/


We have noticed that before. Sooner or later one of us is going to have to remove that big sign off the side of the Vesuvius :D
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on September 15, 2004, 10:43:50 am
I'll give a shot at it.

(or well, at least try)
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 01:05:43 pm
Quote
Originally posted by karajorma


It may be possible to relagate the Vesuvius somewhat so it doesn't appear as often in the game and use another model in its place.  CannonFodder is as much of a perfectionist as you are so the interface art and cutscenes may also not pose a problem since he may decide to sit down and rework everything yet again anyway :)
 I'll look into it. Have you got any other suggestions as to what you think would be better than the ships we currently use? I can't promise anything but I don't mind getting feedback.

We're actually using a lot of your mods :D We're using the Piranha, Njord, Gagana, Peregrine, Reshev, Firehawk, Valkyrie, Stentor and Vela in MG so as you can see you're basically an unoffical team member :D

We also supposedly are using the Claymore Mk 1 but it got missed off the tables and no one ever remembered to add it :D



We have noticed that before. Sooner or later one of us is going to have to remove that big sign off the side of the Vesuvius :D


Lemme think....
Gagana - either the Phoebus(CoW)  or the (very large) Holler (Reci).  Holler may need a bit of editing, though, it was setup so 2 secondary turrets were seperate subobjects*

Peregrine - probably the Berserker which was one of the older Reci mods, based off Boanerges concept art.  I unfortuantely don;t know where this is for DL, though. :(  Can;t find the old release thread.

Reshef - Either the anhur or Heset from Reci (Anhur is the better looking one, set as a bomber but can easily pass as a fighter)

Firehawk - if this is what I'm thinking off, anything atall is better than this one :D  Even one of the old-but-not-that-old ones like the Ymir.

Valkyrie - Aurora from CoW

Stentor - The Claymore (either the completed Reci one, or the new HTL one which only needs the dock path added and interface)

Vela - I remember releasing a superfreighter in a modeldump, which Woomeister converted. I think this - http://www.woomeister.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Demeter.zip - is it, but the image link above it in the post is broken, so not 100% sure :)

*the idea was to have a co-pilot type arrangement, where you'd use keypresses to tell the co-pilot to fire, or something.  Details escape me
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: karajorma on September 15, 2004, 05:09:51 pm
Okay. I'll look into it :) I think we might keep the reshef though as I love that fighter :D
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Singh on September 15, 2004, 05:12:40 pm
the Vela too. We've already got it involved in a mission! :P
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 17, 2004, 05:17:35 pm
Hey aldo, did you ever fix the transparency bit on the Orc?
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: Kosh on September 17, 2004, 06:22:30 pm
To be honest I do not like the Vesuvius. I didn't like it mostly because of its freaky design.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: aldo_14 on September 17, 2004, 07:47:32 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
Hey aldo, did you ever fix the transparency bit on the Orc?


Um... I'm not sure it is completely fixable, because of the rendering order FSO uses - but changing the girders map to a DDS / TGA with alpha transparency should help.  It was a code problem at the time, not a model problem - using true green transparency, the game never calculated what was visible through the green, so basically it was a 'hole' which you could see the background through - looked very odd.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: magatsu1 on October 01, 2004, 01:39:40 pm
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14


both.  Just, y'know, the general modelling, UV-ing, texturing, etc.  I'm a bit of a revisionist/perfectionist when it comes to these things.... I just don't like having these old crappy things floating around, because i'm not happy with them as a whole.  That's why i remade the Claymore 5 times (6 if you include the mk2).

It's kind of a facetitious/selfish thing - I don't want people to thing, for example, that the old Claymore or the Gryphon, or even the Daedelus is the best I can do.  Plus i thought it'd work better for you to have the newer models


I can appreciate that. Even if no-one else can see the little faults/imperfections it's frickin' embarising just knowing they are there.
Title: *Boot* Oy! Wake up!
Post by: TopAce on October 02, 2004, 06:44:00 am
Super unoffical screenshot. Just for you to be happy.
I was testing the mission I am doing when I took this shot.