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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: Fury on July 20, 2006, 02:57:55 am
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It has come to our attention that there is some interest to see HLP Wing Commander discussion boards. This poll is to measure how much interest there would initially be and if that is enough to create Wing Commander discussion boards.
It has long been a topic of discussion among us admins whether we should actively pursue covering other games as well. In the past there has been a few attempts with this, such as I-War 2 boards for example. But since IW2 never gained a big and active community, the boards here died as well. It is also much more difficult to try to cover already established and well-known franchises such as Wing Commanded which already have communities with long history. However, it was brought to our attention that many members in already existing Wing Commander communities would be interested in alternatives due to many reasons which often are specific to their current community. I feel that we may be able to offer that alternative they are seeking by being the friendly and active community that we are.
The HLP admins will leave the decision to you, the community and any visitors from other communities who'd like to cast their vote.
Edit: This poll is now closed and final decision can be read from this post (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,41089.msg839459.html#msg839459).
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If methods of acquiring the WC games up to around WCIV are presented a la the way FS2 is now, then i'd be all for it. :yes:
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I have no strong objection to any option.
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Hey, if it helps our community grow, I'm for it.
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I thought WC hated FS?
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One franchise cannot hate another, it's the fans that might. Read the popular topic (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,41049.0.html) in the WCS board if you want some details. :)
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I personally think it is an excellent idea! *thumb up*
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No objections here. I like Wing Commander :) And let's face it, Freespace is no longer just a game universe, it's also an engine that can, among other things, be applied to the WC universe as the Saga is doing, so it would sorta make sense to include those universes which are 'ported' to FS_open.
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I am totally in favor of the idea!
Whether some of the fans like to admit it or not, FS and WC have a somewhat symbiotic relationship. There are many people who like both, and it would be great to have a place here where people who like both can speak freely and share ideas.
I believe in synergy, and I think this is a great idea.
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Fine with me as long as people don't expect my FAQ to similarly expand :p
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At first I was against the idea. For not particular reason. I'm a "not all egges in the same sleeve" guy.
But now that I brought myself up to speed with the current situation with the CIC... Yeah, it could be interesting... :drevil:
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Fine with me as long as people don't expect my FAQ to similarly expand :p
You only need one extra question
Q: Does this FAQ cover Wing Commander?
A: No
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All i need to say is, i voted Yes.
Many thanks.
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Would this mean that the non-Fourm HLP site contain WC stuff?
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You mean the HLP mainpage? Totally depends on how popular WC boards would become. The FSWiki will stay just that, FSWiki. If popularity demands, there will be another wiki for WC.
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In light of recent drama at the CIC (I'm d3r3k there too), I wouldn't mind having Wing Commander boards here.
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Dare I ask what happened to CIC?
Well, I suppose I just did...
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Check the link Fury gave above (post 6).
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I never played Wing Commander...
I didn't voted yet. I don't know why we should talk about WC when there are many other space game series without a piece of thread(like the beautiful Colony Wars for Playstation 1,Ace Combat for PlayStation 1/2).
There is a WC Conversion in the working. Just add another subforum to it.
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Unless we're expecting CIC's locals to desert en masse and clog the WC Saga forums, I don't think there's a real reason to do this.
And the above-mentioned is not likely from the sound of things.
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It's tempting, but may just be a backlash for the way CIC treated the WCS. I'd say see how things go in the WCS main forum for a while first, if enough interest is shown there, then look at the possibilities.
In my honest opinion, WCS have been done a favour with regards to getting the mod completed anyway.
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I have no objection to this, exept I wouldn't want it to be like the IW2 suport we had once upon a time, this is FS site and board, all the people here are FS people, I am saying that I wouldn't like there to be a strong WC element in this comunity, I am simply concerned that there won't be and the bord will end up abandoned three months in, but there is no harm in giveing it a shot. :)
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So long as everyone plays nice (and I mean, REAL nice) I don't see the problem.
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after looking into the politics of it, I fully suport it, they need a nutral ground.
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:)
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I have no objections to a WC fourm, but I also think that the main page's focus should remain on Freespace.
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This latest development may or may not affect the results of this thread. Either way, it's worth reading:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,41049.msg838619.html#msg838619
Please keep CIC/WCSAGA and CIC/HLP related discussion in the topic linked above, thanks.
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I have no objections to a WC fourm, but I also think that the main page's focus should remain on Freespace.
If we will host WC boards or boards for any other games, it won't be HLP's policy to discriminate these games, their boards and their community. Each covered franchise will have equal grounds here at HLP. The amount of coverage they will get in the forums, mainpage, etc. directly depends on their popularity.
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It would be nice, I think, to have a general section devoted to 'space sims'; speficially, encouraging & supporting people to use and develop freeware games with the SCP engine. I think if we want (maybe we don't) a 'big expansion', the best way would be to go in that sort of direction :)
However, I have no objections with WC boards. My only reservation mirrors Flips - that we might be seen as trying to start some sort of inter-community 'war' (we all know how petty people can get on the internet, it'd scarcely be the first time that's happened), when really as fans of the same genre we should look to work together rather than risk antagonism.
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that we might be seen as trying to start some sort of inter-community 'war' (we all know how petty people can get on the internet, it'd scarcely be the first time that's happened)
I hope that won't be the case, because this is not an attempt to start a war of any kind. This is just an attempt to offer WC discussion boards for the already active members here as many of us are WC fans as much as FS fans and a place for those from other communities who might be looking for an alternative community. Normally I wouldn't suggest new discussion boards, but WC is a well known franchise and of exact same genre as FS. So in a way we are already one big community that has been unnecessarily drawn away from each other.
Personally I would like to see HLP growing into other games as well. Not just to titles/franchices that are already out there, but upcoming games which may not yet have established communities. FreeSpace alone has taken us far, but a single title or franchise always has its limits. I do not speak for other admins, but I have long felt that HLP needs more than just FreeSpace to continue living as an active community. While the source code of FS2 has been able to keep us active past years and will most likely continue to do so in the near future, I still believe that HLP has the potential to grow beyond the boundaries of FS. But that is a discussion for another time. :)
Aldo, in a way the total conversions such as TBP, TAP and WCS are already freeware games based on the fs2_open engine. While I am not familiar with Shadows of Lylat, I think it is not based on any franchise. So I think we have that already covered. :)
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I hope that won't be the case, because this is not an attempt to start a war of any kind. This is just an attempt to offer WC discussion boards for the already active members here as many of us are WC fans as much as FS fans and a place for those from other communities who might be looking for an alternative community. Normally I wouldn't suggest new discussion boards, but WC is a well known franchise and of exact same genre as FS. So in a way we are already one big community that has been unnecessarily drawn away from each other.
I hope so, too. :) I think we just have to be aware of the possible accusation, that's all. Certainly I don't think it's a reason to hold back from it, if anything it's an opportunity to boost both communities through sharing traffic.
Personally I would like to see HLP growing into other games as well. Not just to titles/franchices that are already out there, but upcoming games which may not yet have established communities. FreeSpace alone has taken us far, but a single title or franchise always has its limits. I do not speak for other admins, but I have long felt that HLP needs more than just FreeSpace to continue living as an active community. While the source code of FS2 has been able to keep us active past years and will most likely continue to do so in the near future, I still believe that HLP has the potential to grow beyond the boundaries of FS. But that is a discussion for another time. :)
No arguements here :D
Aldo, in a way the total conversions such as TBP, TAP and WCS are already freeware games based on the fs2_open engine. While I am not familiar with Shadows of Lylat, I think it is not based on any franchise. So I think we have that already covered. :)
Shadows of Lylat is Starwing / Starfox :D
Absolutely, I understand, i'm just thinking of any method of making it really explicit that the SCP can be used for standalone games, so we can attract non-Freespace fans.
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Absolutely, I understand, i'm just thinking of any method of making it really explicit that the SCP can be used for standalone games, so we can attract non-Freespace fans.
I think this would have more to do with the SCP team, I think this would deserve a new section on their homepage or something. :)
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I can see it now....
HLP - Your Space Sim Resource
Don't get too big on us now folks.
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A Wing Commander board would be nice, If Tolwyns current Team enjoy a chat about the Talahasse class or Repleetah Vets then thats all cool, I'm sure a few core FS2'ers would like to see the other side of the fence. Although in hindsight, Would a subforum, in the wing commander mod on ebe appropriate? I ask simply because i can envisage a swathe of members asking for other forums IE-
*I wanna EVE forum*
*I like Starlancer*
*How about Elite*
Ad Infinitum, And i dont know if that would be feasible......
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How about a general non-FS2 forum for every other flight sim. That way we can split forums off if a game is popular and reintegrate them if they become dead.
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Yes, I had that in mind too but for all games and gaming. So far only 40 votes, so unless there is a big boost in favor of WC boards, the general gaming board will have to suffice for WC as well.
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Well, I'm a bit late here, but at least yesterday I would have voted "no" to prevent any more hostilty between both communities on HLP's behalf. Now that I have slept over it (and the situation changed a little) I think now I can give my own feelings a little more room, and therefore I voted "yes". It would be great to have another english speaking wc-board.
However, I think to insert WC into the mainpage as well will not work out, you will have to administrate that and collect stuff and you people will always be between two worlds (WC and FS), so either one or both will suffer sooner or later.
As for having a WC-board or a general discussion board (which would certainly be no bad idea), I want to make a suggestion :
Wait until we have made the first release. I hope 3.6.9 will develop well and isn't too far away, since we are now more or less bound to this date. I have a few plans regarding some more PR, which will hopefully bring more interested people (into boths game-universe and communities). And if then the interest in either HLP or WCS will raise, we could think about a WC only board. What do you think ?
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We can discuss your plan in more detail over ICQ. :)
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I try to catch you this evening or latest over the weekend. (I see you from finland, so you should have more or less the same timezone I have). :)
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Can we get the IW2 boards back?
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IW2 boards seems completely deleted for whatever reason, I wasn't an admin at the time so I don't know what happened to it but it is not restoreable.
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give people the option to talk about WC out from under the boot of BanditAsswipe? Hell yes
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give people the option to talk about WC out from under the boot of BanditAsswipe? Hell yes
But not in an antagonistic manner, of course........
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you obviously don't know BanditLOAF - despite his recent olive branch and supposedly unbanning all the staff - i'm still banned on completely fabricated claims that I evaded a ban and flooded the forums - which he KNOWS he fabricated - and the initial ban was bull**** as well related to his personal vendetta
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LOAF is not everyone's best buddy, but I'd still appreciate if you would leave unnecessary bashing. Issues like Kazan's should be brought to the CIC admins directly, and if that won't work out it won't help much if you bash them here...
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yeah.. that ban that is like 2 years old is really going to get reversed with them still believing bandit's bull**** about me supposedly hacking and flooding the forums :doubt:
Bandit owes me one hell of an apology
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yeah.. that ban that is like 2 years old is really going to get reversed with them still believing bandit's bull**** about me supposedly hacking and flooding the forums :doubt:
Bandit owes me one hell of an apology
Look, we're* not considering a WC section to piss off or annoy Bandit or any other WC community, nor to 'steal' their members. We're considering it to expand our own and encourage useful discussion and modding work. Regardless of how annoyed you may be towrds this particular bloke, and regardless of how righteous your ire may be, we do not want people to think this is being considered for any antagonistic reason or purpose.
*hope nobody minds me appropriating the group term 'we', here
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i never said the admins were considering it for those purposes - i said it facilitates people who don't like banditloaf's style to have someplace else to discuss things
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i never said the admins were considering it for those purposes - i said it facilitates people who don't like banditloaf's style to have someplace else to discuss things
Yes, and I'm just making it clear that any specific-individual-based reasoning in no way had any bearing upon bringing up this option, as I'm sure the admins will agree. Otherwise it would look antagonistic to said individual.
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we do not want people to think this is being considered for any antagonistic reason or purpose.
I'm afraid that would happen anyway, to some extent, no matter what (thus woted no).
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yup because in Bandit's mind anybody who dare like FS2 and WC at the same time is a dirty america-hating traitor
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we do not want people to think this is being considered for any antagonistic reason or purpose.
I'm afraid that would happen anyway, to some extent, no matter what (thus woted no).
I think so, but the key thing is to minimize that extend by being nice, polite and civil :)
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I'd say no. WC fanbois are almost as scary as FS fanbois :p.
However, I would support a more gradual integration, where they don't get their own seperate forum. After all, if we give them that, what's to make them integrate with the rest of HLP? We should let them come in, get used to the atmosphere here, and if they show that they're mature enough, we can open up a seperate discussion board.
I'm not saying the WC guys are immature, but bad blood runs deep between us, and we don't want a massive inter-forum flame war.
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Yep, that's exactly what was done just a moment ago. There is a new category called "Other Games" and a new board called "General Discussion (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/board,133.0.html)" under it. Other games such as Wing Commander can get their own boards if they become a very popular topic on the general discussion board. I think should cover all bases on this front. :)
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Cool... I missed it but I would have voted no.
One, look at Game Warden. Due to the popularity of a certain project (Yeah a little jealous, but hey I'm Human :D ) we had an influx of members who started using the board as a BSG board instead of keeping long discussions (and spam) in the respective Sections.
We even had some of them using it as if the forums were MSN/Yahoo messenger...
(luckily Raa, I think, stepped in and squashed that...)
Two, we have the SAGA forums here already. If there needs to be more non-FS2/WC threads then make it an off shoot of the project or have ONE thread in Other Games. After all I myself have ONE thread for Trek and ONE thread for Robotech....
It's not like we are going to get dozens of more members like GW did.
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In line with this talk of expanding the forum into areas of wider gaming, namely the greater space-sim genre, perhaps we could launch a grand project to branch HLP out to every facet of FreeSpace throughout the Internet. Not necessarily an all-out invasion, simply providing directions and signposts pointing here. Y'know, make this new, expanded HLP the true nexus of anything and everything FreeSpace, a true Internet superpower.
I want to see the mighty standard of HLP sweep across the the greater FreeSpace community leaving no FS site untouched by our munificent, benevolent power.
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In line with this talk of expanding the forum into areas of wider gaming, namely the greater space-sim genre, perhaps we could launch a grand project to branch HLP out to every facet of FreeSpace throughout the Internet. Not necessarily an all-out invasion, simply providing directions and signposts pointing here. Y'know, make this new, expanded HLP the true nexus of anything and everything FreeSpace, a true Internet superpower.
I want to see the mighty standard of HLP sweep across the the greater FreeSpace community leaving no FS site untouched by our munificent, benevolent power.
Uhm, Utopia. :D
I think that bringing WC(WC?)fans here in HLP is a benefit. We could recruit more modders...
With an high number of members we could put pressure on Interplay for FS3.
Bringing them into the FS universe will be a priority,however. They shouldn't come here just for the WC Discussion Board,of course.
Maybe someone is Italian too...
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you just broke one of the cardinal rules :eek:
There will not be an FS3 unless THQ becomes enlightened. Interplay no longer exists
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Yeah! I've not been here that long, but even I know that's like mentioning the Scottish play in a theatre!
:eek:
I'm truly shocked!!!
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:shaking: We have to add the holy trinity of rules to the signup page.
A- Dont mention "F..............S....................3"
B-NEVER, NEVER, Never, mention D*r*k Sm*rt.
C-Ahhh, crap whats the other one?
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C-Ahhh, crap whats the other one?
if you run into a shivan in the airducts, it's just carl. give him your lunch and back away slowly
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Okay,okay I'll never say it?Uhm what was that,maybe ***?
I mentioned *** because the idea of a big request by a very high number of fans would make the engine work...
Burn him,burn him! :hopping:
I tell this to myself so you don't have to repeat it.
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:wtf:
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Self-flagellating n00bs... its like some kind of wonderful dream.
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:shaking: We have to add the holy trinity of rules to the signup page.
A- Dont mention "F..............S....................3"
B-NEVER, NEVER, Never, mention D*r*k Sm*rt.
C-Ahhh, crap whats the other one?
C. Never mention Derek Smart making FS3? :nervous:
Seemed to fit. :)
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:jaw: He said it without the magic * over every vowel trick yet my eyes aren't bleeding.........HERESY !!!
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PSA Announcement: "Read the following, remember the following..." - By Trumbar I think.
(click for large image)...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Star-Dragon/bang.jpg
That will be all... And never mention initials D.S. and the forbidden Alpha Numeric code in the same thread. Thank you for your cooperation...
(Flashy-Thingies people if needed...) :nod:
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Sorry! ;)
As pennance: *******
I shall remember to properly block out my vowels in the future.
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Careful about blocking your vowels... fiber will loosen them up again.
I'm slightly worried that the influx of WC fans would interfer with normal HLP affairs, however, the Inferno people seem to stick to themselves a lot, and it would bring more attention to HLP.