[Charismatic]

Actually, i have not finished playing though the Derilect campaign. I got to the first mission with like 100 Shivan Cap ships. Sence FSO ****ing lags, if more then 1 cap ship is on screen, its unplayalbe. My progreess came to a halt.

I cant scan anything, i Finally got to the correct ship, and the correct subsystem, yet it didnt scan. So i said **** it, and have not played sence.

Looked like a cool mission, i just wish i could ****ing play it.

Yeah im mad about that...

But, i think my Death of FS topic is the most refrenced, and most quoted first FS\FS3 topic.

[General Battuta]

What are your computer's specs? FSOpen shouldn't lag.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Even if it lags, you should be able to play it on a computer with (updated) Intel graphics drivers, 256 MB RAM and a 2.4 GHz Intel Celeron D processor if you remove all the mediaVPs excluding core.vp.

[Mongoose]

Even keeping MV_Core.vp shouldn't have any effect on performance, since all it contains of note are a few pieces of interface art and some tables.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

...if you remove all the mediaVPs excluding mv_core.vp.

I stand corrected.

If I recall correctly, mv_core.vp is the only one that doesn't use up lots of system resources. Mind you, my family computer is so low-end that I only use the essential mediaVPs.

[Charismatic]

I thought we needed a certain few VP's to run SCP\FSO? Sence when do we only need Core?

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Like I said, "If I recall correctly". I haven't touched my PC copy of FS2_Open for a very long time now because I have a copy of the game on my MacBook.

[Mongoose]

Core is the only one of the MediaVPs that's strictly necessary (and I'm not even sure that it is strictly necessary, though I wouldn't try to run FS2_Open without it).  All of the others contain the various optional graphical effects that would tax your video card to begin with.  Deactivating some of the launcher flags even with some of the MediaVPs present would presumably aid your cause as well.

[Charismatic]

I have a Laptop with a un upgradable Video card.

[IceFire]

Laptops don't always make the best gaming systems. Actually they never make the ideal gaming system.  They are great for portability tho!

For proper gaming...a hand made system is still the best.  It seems a bit daunting at first but I've built 5 systems (2 for myself) over the last few years and they have been the best experiences possible.  Its a bit freaky the first time you boot it up and hope that you did everything right and realizing this system is your own work.  Very satisfying.

Also...its cheaper

[IceFire]

Oh no, now others and I are getting off topic with computer talk

My fault too

[General Battuta]

Don't bother with IE. Just use Firefox.

[Charismatic]

I like IE best. Firefox is ok for Vids and such.

But i cannot stand the 30 sec delay before opening. Horrid.

[IceFire]

Don't bother with IE. Just use Firefox.

I heard that before but I don't want that. For one, I don't want to mess up IE. For two, I will not take my chances with Firefox having malware or weird things (probably the reason it hangs for 30 seconds, Charismatic) and lacking built in features. For 3, I like IE and I don't want to have to get used to using a new browser. But I had a feeling someone would say things like "use firefox" after posting a comment like I did about addons. I heard the same thing before years ago probably on this forum; I tried it, I believe, and then I deleted it on purpose.

Weird...you seem like the type that'd be using Firefox.

Couple of things there...Firefox is the least likely to have malware attached to it. Its an open source project.  If you want to you can go and look at the code yourself.  There isn't anything hidden with Firefox.  With IE its really hard to know.  Second it shouldn't take 30 seconds to do anything....Firefox loads in under 2 seconds for me even on a cold boot.  Its standards compliant, its flexible, and while its grown a little bloated the recent upgrades have trimmed its memory use and its very responsive.

There are perfectly good reasons to not use Firefox...but malware and speed are not likely to be ones.

At least use Opera or something else.  IE is the bane of my technical support existence unfortunately.

I'll stop now

[IceFire]

I heard that before but I don't want that. For one, I don't want to mess up IE. For two, I will not take my chances with Firefox having malware or weird things (probably the reason it hangs for 30 seconds, Charismatic) and lacking built in features. For 3, I like IE and I don't want to have to get used to using a new browser. But I had a feeling someone would say things like "use firefox" after posting a comment like I did about addons. I heard the same thing before years ago probably on this forum; I tried it, I believe, and then I deleted it on purpose.

Weird...you seem like the type that'd be using Firefox.

I'm not predictable. What about me makes you think I use Firefox? Being experienced in computers has nothing to do with using an alternate browser (but maybe the kids do because they think it is better, who knows). I would actually think the more experienced and aware about computer tech you are, the less reason you would see in using Firefox. Also, why fix something that isn't broken, you are used to using, works fast and perfectly after cleaning out some things, and know it is safe and has enough features?

If you have Firefox, what about windows updates for IE and security? I think it might negate the effect of security updates for IE. Why waste my time on it when things are fine the way they are with my browser and it is fast and has a pop up blocker and is safe and has many options already? I removed some toolbars too and I don't install yahoo toolbar anymore, for example. If you have the "my web search" toolbar, then you definitely have malware and a virus.

I recall using Firefox and it either not being user friendly or I was stuck on it and removed it because maybe something was not working right. I can't remember.

Will we fight the Auriga and rogue GTVI faction? Yes or no?

I take the team's lack of response as a "yes, we WILL fight them" and they don't want to tell, despite the fact that the thread is about answering these kinds of secret storyline plots.

All good points and people are free to use IE if they want to ...but my strong preference is not to use it and that is because I consider myself savvy enough to see IE's downfalls.  IE7 was a big step forward and its moved into my realm of "its ok" but its not there yet.  Its arguably still not secure enough to compete with Firefox or Opera and its standards support is still very sub standard so in my mind it is very broken.  I do tech support for web applications...most of the time if there is a problem I get people to use Firefox which fixes the problems and they never come back to bug me again.

Also coding websites to get them to work properly in IE is a bloody nightmare.  IE7 once again is semi-ok in this regard (it doesn't screw up quite as much) but far too many IE6 users are still out there. Trying to support them is an exercise in futility.  I'm coding the BWO website right now for instance and IE6 is off the table...its support is just too poor.  IE8 does look promising if they stick to their guns and actually support CSS 2.0 features...if it does then it'll be a heyday for web developers so we don't have to be stuck using old code and forced to limit support for the new stuff.

But people are indeed free to use whatever they want.

Indeed I stay away from toolbars as well.  Fortunately Firefox comes with none of those on its own.

[IceFire]

Oh and I split the topic since its fine to keep talking about this stuff here but we were a bit off topic for the other thread.  Should have done that a few posts ago

[Herra Tohtori]

Browser wars, you gotta love them...

I'm with IceFire here. Pretty much everything else is better than Internet Explorer (6), and IE7 only fixed the most glaring problems so I consider it a broken browser still. The fact that many sites lick Microsoft's boots and break their pages so that they work with IE doesn't make it a valid argument for not using a standards-compliant browser. If you want to see just how broken IE is, visit the ACID2 test and see how your browser of choice mutilates the image rather valiantly...

I used Opera for a long time, started having some problems with it using 100% processor capacity starging from some whatever version, and then moved to Firefox and after configuring some add-ons (mouse gestures, NoScript, AdBlockPlus and a few others), Firefox 3 is in general the best browser I've used. I still use Opera (latest versions don't have the aforementioned CPU resource problem) for some things, but FF3 is my primary browser.


Also, talking about malware; I doubt IE has any, though some could consider that abortion of a program a malware in itself, but it certainly does make your PC more vulnerable to spyware, malware and other not so nice stuff... more so than by using Opera, Firefox or other browsers anyway.

On the topic of toolbars I have nothing good to say. Frakking insidious bastards of programs, embedding themselves into startup procedurs and slowing mah system boot down. What I hate the most are installers that helpfully make stuff like google toolbar power up on startup, without explicitely telling me so. I have never met a toolbar that would be actually needed or useful in any way. Blegh.

The only purpose I ever use IE for is updating Windows manually. That's the only thing I need it for... In fact the only reason I stick to Windows at all is that while it sucks to be dependant of a multinational corporation that seems to like doing it wrong on so many things is that other options are, at the moment, not viable for me. I wouldn't get a Mac if you paid me (well, I would, but I would sell it away as soon as I could) because Apple is more or less the same, except their stuff works marginally better and pays a lot more per performance. Linux distros, well, cursed be hardware manufacturers for not releasing specs or opening their driver sources altogether. As soon as things work sufficiently on the Linux side, I'll go there, but at the moment it's way too much of a hassle.

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[Herra Tohtori]

You do realize that having multiple anti-virus programs active at the same time is an open invitation to problems? They tend to conflict each other rather skillfully if they are trying to work at the same time...

[Herra Tohtori]

That is why I asked. You said that you have multiple anti-virus programs. Note that I did not blatantly tell you that it's a bad idea to have more than one (though it tends to be unnecessary), just asked if you know to only keep one of them active at a time.

Out of curiosity... which AV softwares do you have installed?


Also, the fact still remains that your need to be worried about Internet security would be further reduced if you were not using IE, since other browsers are inherently more secure (they don't have the same key-ins and permissions to the system as Internet Exploder has since it's so deeply integrated to the operating system)... and they tend to work harder, better, faster and stronger on other regards as well.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I agree with IceFire and HT too. IE7 works very well with Adobe Flash, but it keeps crashing once you have two or more tabs open (perhaps it's my computer at fault here...).

After so many years, I still feel that Internet Explorer keeps screaming, "HEY, DAMN YOU! DON'T INSTALL ADD-ONS!", whereas Firefox says, "I'm America! We can take in everything!"

Firefox is excellent. I've got AdBlockPlus and bbcodeXtra installed, both of them fulfilling the holes that IE7 have. However, Firefox runs horribly with Flash applets. Some sites just don't work on Firefox like they do on other browsers. The official Korean Grand Chase website, for example, is Flash-heavy, and on Firefox, some parts of the site just don't work like they should.

Opera comes with the Adobe CS3 Suite that Ngee Ann Polytechnic installed into my Mac, and I've tried using it to play the infamous Rawhide swf (you can find it in The Classics), but I note a small frame skip.

Now, AV software...on both my family PCs, I have the AVG installed (the free one, by the way). On my Mac, I have Symantec Antivirus preinstalled, and it scans every single removable device that's attached to my Mac.