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Offline Gloriano

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Re: Where did everybody go?!
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you've got a few Forced Entries or He Who Rides the Tigers or Delenda Ests in those fifty missions, and the community's givea****ometer is prone to return to prior levels.

There absolutely no need to combare the projects since they are so different Blackwater operations has different kind of missions and some interesting stuff happening etc.

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Maybe release another demo, such as the first few missions of the actual campaign.  End it on a cliffhanger or a "wham" mission.  That'd certainly drum up interest.

That is quite interesting idea TBH.
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Offline Dragon

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IMHO, I'd suggest to release the whole thing with low poly models. New demo is a good idea, but then, it'd most likely also need these HTLs done.
If it's done well enough, nobody will care about a few lo-poly models (5 of them, IIRC). In fact, normal and shine maps can make a lo-poly model look suprisingly modern. If you don't have anybody to normalmap your old ships (assuming it's not already done), I could do that.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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you've got a few Forced Entries or He Who Rides the Tigers or Delenda Ests in those fifty missions, and the community's givea****ometer is prone to return to prior levels.

There absolutely no need to combare the projects since they are so different Blackwater operations has different kind of missions and some interesting stuff happening etc.
Actually those are names of top-notch missions in terms of how players react or keep to memory while playing them, Forced Entry is combat-intense with a major ragefuel ending, He Who Rides the Tiger is the Transcend mission of ST:R, an escort mission that makes your hair stand on the back of your neck, and Delenda Est is the quality BoE since Inferno's Nemesis. He's completely right, BWO will need missions that are memorable - missions with a lasting impact on players, and if there really is 50 missions, then you'll need a few of them.

 

Offline Gloriano

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ht, BWO will need missions that are memorable - missions with a lasting impact on players, and if there really is 50 missions, then you'll need a few of them.

more like 40 with like maybe 3-4 extra secret missions on play trough it's 30 missions about and there will be some awesome missions.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.- Nietzsche

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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Where did everybody go?!
if there really is 50 missions, then you'll need a few of them.

I flew most of those missions. They're in there, though they might require some touchup.
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ht, BWO will need missions that are memorable - missions with a lasting impact on players, and if there really is 50 missions, then you'll need a few of them.

more like 40 with like maybe 3-4 extra secret missions on play trough it's 30 missions about and there will be some awesome missions.

Well they're not very sekret now, are they? :p

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Why wouldn't they be secret? I haven't seen what they're about.

 

Offline Dragon

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And how to unlock them, that's what understand by "secret missions".

 

Offline Raven2001

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Re: Where did everybody go?!
If it's done well enough, nobody will care about a few lo-poly models (5 of them, IIRC). In fact, normal and shine maps can make a lo-poly model look suprisingly modern. If you don't have anybody to normalmap your old ships (assuming it's not already done), I could do that.

Its much more than 5 new ships.
I might take you up on that offer of normal mapping ships. That always helps to save me time. :P

if there really is 50 missions, then you'll need a few of them.

I flew most of those missions. They're in there, though they might require some touchup.

Some missions will be "touched up" indeed.


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Maybe release another demo, such as the first few missions of the actual campaign.  End it on a cliffhanger or a "wham" mission.  That'd certainly drum up interest.

No comment on that.
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Offline Dragon

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Its much more than 5 new ships.
I might take you up on that offer of normal mapping ships. That always helps to save me time. :P
I'll be happy to help in bringing BWO closer to release, though be advised, I can't UV map ships or create textures from scratch, I need a diffuse map to work off.
I can also create simple glowmaps and shine maps, and since we have holidays in Poland now, I'll be able to work quite fast.

 

Offline BlackDove

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That sounds pretty great, as that's just the kind of help we need.

Are you sure you have time though? You seem to have a lot on your plate.


 

Offline Dragon

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For MT, I'll only be working on packing up a modeldump, CoW seems to be on hold, WoD and Inferno are in "modelling" phase, SAFSO and WCHF move quite slowly (the former is still in "modelling" phase and the latter is undercrewed). That leaves Syrk and BP as projects that need my attention right now. I think I'll be able to handle BWO, I'd really like to see it released.

 

Offline Silent Warrior

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Re: Where did everybody go?!
Dangit, when I saw the title, I was overcome with a powerful urge to say 'Hey! You scared 'em all away!'

Aaaanyway, good luck to whoever is concerned, and good to hear progress is made.
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Offline Raven2001

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Yes progress is being made, even if at a veryyyy slow pace.

Dragon, I might harass you with something in a couple of weeks. :)
Yeah, I know you were waiting for a very nice sig, in which I was quoting some very famous scientist or philosopher... guess what?!? I wont indulge you...

Why, you ask? What, do I look like a Shivan to you?!?


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Offline Dragon

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Re: Where did everybody go?!
OK.
Keep in mind, it's possible that after two weeks from now, I'd away from computer for two weeks, then the school will start. Don't worry though, I'd still have time for BWO.

 

Offline Genoism

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Re: Where did everybody go?!
28 days later....a big giant appears in the shape of...
After much debate I decided quotes are a waste of time.

 

Offline Raven2001

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Please keep unrelated comments to a minimum :)
Yeah, I know you were waiting for a very nice sig, in which I was quoting some very famous scientist or philosopher... guess what?!? I wont indulge you...

Why, you ask? What, do I look like a Shivan to you?!?


Raven is a god.

 
Re: Where did everybody go?!
WOW!
I did not expect this much of a reaction this is great

water does have a very good idea you wouldn't have to release all of the stuff but at least some of the better models from each artist would provide some inscentive

 don't ya think

 
Re: Where did everybody go?!
So you really need to ask why this mod is having trouble attracting the necessary people and retaining them? Most of the original staff have moved on leaving you and Raven more or less as caretakers.

For an answer, look to your public forum. Any burst of internal work by artists is not rewarded by publication on the external.

You need to attract talent, yet anyone who turns up won't be able to show off any work they do. It's a small point, but a vital one. It's not like you are Gearbox software and are paying a full time salary or anything. So what other ways can you pay the artist? Future fame? BWO has been stalled for so long that's an unlikely option.

This is an older topic but personally I'm not sure how much "showing off artwork" factors into an artist's decision to do a project. Yes it may be true for some people, but some people just want to accomplish a common goal. Some artists also just create stuff for the sake of creating not out of a need for public recognition.  Maybe the typical artist does so here, I don't know.

That being said I do hope BWO gets out the door eventually in whatever form the creators choose to release it (and hopefully not one they feel they've been forced into doing). I know a number of other campaigns have had their original visions changed by the influx of new blood, and in my experience they've been lesser campaigns for it (WiH for example  (yeah, I'm a heretic. I'm fine with that)).


Also I will admit to being guilty of one of those people who wanted to help but then didn't deliver. Then again, I don't deliver on a lot of my own personal artistic projects so in that regard I would not pin the blame on BWO but would put it solely on my own shoulders. If I ever get the creative urge I may try and lend a hand again. It's much simpler than trying to create a whole total conversion from scratch (as I've dreamt up a number of times).

In any case, BWO staff be true to your original vision! Naysayers be damned. That being said, trying to create buzz to inspire new talent may not be a bad thing either.

 

Offline General Battuta

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(WiH for example  (yeah, I'm a heretic. I'm fine with that)).

Ha, I'm totally fine with this, but believe me, once you play the alpha...

It wasn't a matter of a change of creative direction regarding the original vision (the original vision stayed the same), the alpha was just disappointing and bad and everyone thought so.
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