[Lorric]

Then don't use the forum as your person PM outbox. Seriously Lorric, you've been doing well for months now, don't start up this **** again over an issue everyone else has long forgotten about. Let the topic go back to Star Citizen.

Well The E will still talk to me on the forum, and people were discussing moderation in a Hard Light context. But I'm happy enough to let the conversation go back to Star Citizen if that's where people want it to go.

I never thought I'd ever hear you say I'd been doing well at anything.

And just for the record? Any answer you'll get from me will just be a copy/paste job of what Karajorma just said.

So do you want to talk about it? Or would you prefer to just leave it?

[The E]

There is nothing to talk about.

[Spoon]

But I'm happy enough to let the conversation go back to Star Citizen if that's where people want it to go.

Well, yeah. Duh? I'm not even sure what you were trying to accomplish by trying to hijack this thread with your personal issues. (And no, don't answer that)
Not to tell the Moderators their job, but maybe split the unrelated few posts off so we can go back to bashing SC in peace?

[666maslo666]

Are you serious? No decent forum will ban people because they used any language to insult other members. What's the difference between calling someone an idiot or a '****ing idiot'? Internet discussions are pretty normal and so is 'vulgar' language, you don't just hand out bans for that.

Really?? I am absolutely serious. Calling people "****ing idiots" is maybe acceptable on 4chan, but not on official forums of a game company. It is a banable offense, and rightly so.

[FrikgFeek]

It really isn't. You'd get a friendly notice at best and a warning at worst. Definitely not a ban.

[NGTM-1R]

Really?? I am absolutely serious. Calling people "****ing idiots" is maybe acceptable on 4chan, but not on official forums of a game company. It is a banable offense, and rightly so.

You haven't figured out yet that there's a difference between public and private expression, I see.

[karajorma]

Really?? I am absolutely serious. Calling people "****ing idiots" is maybe acceptable on 4chan, but not on official forums of a game company. It is a banable offense, and rightly so.

Are the reports public? Cause if not it shouldn't be bannable for exactly the reasons I outlined above. Banning someone for a comment they made in private where the insulted person isn't going to hear it isn't good forum moderation at all.

[666maslo666]

Really?? I am absolutely serious. Calling people "****ing idiots" is maybe acceptable on 4chan, but not on official forums of a game company. It is a banable offense, and rightly so.

Are the reports public? Cause if not it shouldn't be bannable for exactly the reasons I outlined above. Banning someone for a comment they made in private where the insulted person isn't going to hear it isn't good forum moderation at all.

I believe ban is justified even when it is only private reports. One day ban certainly. So it is good moderation, IMHO.

[The E]

I believe ban is justified even when it is only private reports. One day ban certainly. So it is good moderation, IMHO.

So you want people to be banned for using language you disapprove of in messages a normal user would never read.

Tell me, how much did you dislike censorship and political correctness again?

[Akalabeth Angel]

Really?? I am absolutely serious. Calling people "****ing idiots" is maybe acceptable on 4chan, but not on official forums of a game company. It is a banable offense, and rightly so.

Are the reports public? Cause if not it shouldn't be bannable for exactly the reasons I outlined above. Banning someone for a comment they made in private where the insulted person isn't going to hear it isn't good forum moderation at all.

I believe ban is justified even when it is only private reports. One day ban certainly. So it is good moderation, IMHO.

If it's not in the rules, it's not justified:
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/86002/forum-rules-moderator-responsibilities-updated-10-18-15

[Aesaar]

Guys you just don't get it.  It doesn't matter what CIG do, it's a good thing.  No matter what.  Anything that seems bad will be promptly reinterpreted so it's always been the plan and it's always been good.  We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Tell me, how much did you dislike censorship and political correctness again?

It's not censorship because censorship is bad and CIG just wouldn't do something bad.  You're just being a troll and/or impatient.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Guys you just don't get it.  It doesn't matter what CIG do, it's a good thing.  No matter what.  Anything that seems bad will be promptly reinterpreted so it's always been the plan and it's always been good.  We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Oh we're all fully aware of that.
And ironically, CGI is seriously one of the most money grubbing games I've ever seen in my life.

Blatant whale hunting with absurdly priced ships
Pay-to-win "alpha testing" for a game which isn't free
Free to fly weeks and temporary REC progression to promote and incentivize buying of ships
Optional subscription service
Microtransactions for credit and other crap

Basically they use every trick in the book to try and get money out of their players. In an ALPHA test. And the idea that they're "Testing the game" and yet most of the games content is locked to most players most of the time is absurd.  How the **** do you test content when said content is only flown a small percentage of the time?


Funniest thing is when people say that the game should be better than it is, people tell you it's "early development". If you ask them how two-three years after the kickstarter is early development, they'll compare their game to GTA V or Fallout 4. If you talk about gray boxing or the wanton waste of replacing models they'll say you don't know anything about game dev. They've said that all the ships will be unlocked for Arena when some Baby PU comes out, but it's a sure thing I think that the PU will have some sort of mechanic in place to incentivize people buying better ships.


And the funny thing is. Star Citizen is being built through the use of projected funds. It is literally being funded while in what is essentially early access. Under that light, Star Citizen's development isn't comparable to Fallout 4 or the Witcher 3, but instead it's comparable to Space Base DF9.  And if the money stopped today, you'd probably see the same result.

[666maslo666]

I believe ban is justified even when it is only private reports. One day ban certainly. So it is good moderation, IMHO.

So you want people to be banned for using language you disapprove of in messages a normal user would never read.

Tell me, how much did you dislike censorship and political correctness again?

I dislike it when government or public institutions do it (or forums that claim freedom of speech is their important aspect). Other private forums such as RSI can censor whatever they want. Also, bans due to insulting language are not politically motivated at all, it is just common decency. As I said, such language may be acceptable on 4chan or reddit, but not on official gaming forums.

RSI forums rule number 8:

8. Don’t abuse the flag system. The flagging system is here to point out any posts that may be breaking the forum rules. It is not here to make fun of a moderator’s ruling or insult other members. Do not use harsh language in your flag description and do not flag posts simply because you disagree with another member. Do not reflag a post. Each flag is reviewed and often flagged posts require no action. Flagging posts that are older than 1 month will take lower priority than recent posts.

The ban was clearly justified.

[The E]

Was that rule in place before this incident?

[NGTM-1R]

Also I hate to be That Guy, but moderation is basically volunteering to throw yourself on the grenade of whatever vulgarity, porn, and creepy the internet can toss up.

The idea you're pushing is at its core that the moderators are entitled, just as the regular forum goers are entitled, not to have to deal with that stuff. This is directly at odds with their task of reviewing any questionable content that appears to determine if it is that stuff.

[Firesteel]

Even if you are a company, censoring your forums can still reflect badly on your practices. If there starts to be censorship of any critical opinions, then there is a problem regardless of if you are a government or a company. See Jim Sterling and Digital Homicide for an example if you are so inclined.

[FrikgFeek]

Censoring vulgar language for a supposedly mature game aimed at old school space sim fans also seems kinda stupid. I mean, it's not like we're talking about Nintendo forums here.

[zookeeper]

Censoring vulgar language for a supposedly mature game aimed at old school space sim fans also seems kinda stupid. I mean, it's not like we're talking about Nintendo forums here.

That sounds backwards though. If I had a forum intended for mature audiences, I'd want to discourage/censor vulgarity so that the atmosphere actually stays mature, whereas if I had a forum for kids then I'd maybe want to be more relaxed as to not drive away all the kids.

[Hades]

It's impossible to actually have a mature atmosphere if users are being censored or banned simply due to using profanity.

[Spoon]

It's impossible to actually have a mature atmosphere if users are being censored or banned simply due to using profanity.

I agree with this mother****er.