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Offline Nyctaeus

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Can I get some closer look at your textures? Erebus, Vexor, Tethys [Narayana] and Impervious [aka Pursha] especially.
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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
the GTCv Copernicus, a heavy frigate
If it's a heavy frigate, why is it classified as a corvette?
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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
I think what he's saying Herkie is to call it a frigate or a corvette (since in FS a corvette and a frigate are two different types of ships you can only pick one).

Just my opinion but if you're going to classify the Copernicus as a corvette (which is fine), it probably shouldn't be described as a frigate.

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Frigate is a messy word in FS that doesn't have a clearly defined meaning. The Iceni is referred to as a Command Frigate, the Hippocrates as a Medical Frigate. Herkie's not really using it any less correctly than Volition did.
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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Frigate is a messy word in FS that doesn't have a clearly defined meaning. The Iceni is referred to as a Command Frigate, the Hippocrates as a Medical Frigate. Herkie's not really using it any less correctly than Volition did.
Neither of them were classified as GTCv either, so I'm not sure what your point is.

EDIT: And when, exactly did Volition call the Hippocrates a medical "frigate"?
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<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
It's sort of implied by the original pof filename, "frigate2t-01.pof". (Probably a reference to the Star Wars medical frigate)

I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of things, FS is pretty fast and loose with ship designations.

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Its kind of strange to me as well. Personally, a frigate is basically a big ship, military or civilian. In the FS 2 universe, a frigate was is not clearly designated. The "NTF" of the Iceni? I thought it stands for "Neo Terran Front" but if the "F" means "frigate" then the GTVA side would be "GTF" which is already used. So GTFg? Or how about GTCf? I don't know...This requires thought as we now creating a new designation. And I'm open to suggestion. Until I can come up a good letter designation, it's GTCv for now. In the old version as this ship also had a big model, I called it an "oversized corvette."
« Last Edit: April 06, 2016, 03:59:02 am by herkie423 »

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
I thank Axem for featuring this project again in the April newsletter. HLP rocks!  :)

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Wait...Hold on, guys...I remember that BP2 had already established the "frigate" designation: UEFg. I think I will use GTFg. What do you think? :)

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
It's quite old designation well known in community. AFAIK Inferno was first with shivan frigate SFg Damini. Steve-O later adopted this designation for his Federal Fleet Pack used later as UEF fleet in Blue Planet.

I found this solution very cool for non GTVA-factions. Both frigates used by player's faction in Exile - ORFg Vitalius and ORFg Tychicus uses Fg designation despite being corvette sized. Marks the difference between, for example - GTVA, very well.

I would stay with corvette designation in your mod. It's more GTVAish in my opinion :P
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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
It's up to you Herkie.  :)

I would merely suggest being consistent.  Either call it GTCv (and drop the reference to it being a heavy frigate) or use the term GTFg.

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Some people in the past (notably Derelict) have also used GTFf to designate a frigate.  Presumably that comes from the US naval hull classification FF.

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Thanks for the insight guys. Well, for consistency, I'm going to stick with GTCv and the Copernicus will be a corvette. Anyway, I have finished re-texturing the new Titan and replaced the GTL Enterprise with a new one but I have retained the old ship and renamed it to GTL Opulence so it's an addituonal asset. Mod assets are FINALLY finished. I am back again to mission editing. Post some screen shots later per Betrayal's request.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2016, 09:45:52 pm by herkie423 »

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Are you still planning on using the Iceni as the model for the Avenger/Strike Force Alpha leader? 
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 10:48:05 pm by CT27 »

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
well. If I have a suitable replacement (a corvette that has, at least, 3 beams cannons each on both sides.), I might update that as well.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2016, 05:06:45 am by herkie423 »

 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Per Betrayal's request, here are profile shots of the re-textured Erebus, Titan, Vexor, and other ships.







...And now, the entire 7th Battlegroup.


 

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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
Erebus and Titan looks suberb :yes:. Much better than original textures. I would reduce count of light of the bottom side of the Vexor. Also I see you still use old Vexor with multiple textures. Maybe try to find new HTL version with single texture?
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Re: WIP: The Aftermath:Reboot by Herkie423 and Cyborg17
well. If I have a suitable replacement (a corvette that has, at least, 3 beams cannons each on both sides.), I might update that as well.

What's your opinion of the Vengeance that was used in the previous version?

 

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Darius have already given me the new Vexor and I have re-textured it. But it has a null moment of inertia and I tried to edit its POF but my PCS2 crashed. Its the same with the new models.

 

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well. If I have a suitable replacement (a corvette that has, at least, 3 beams cannons each on both sides.), I might update that as well.

What's your opinion of the Vengeance that was used in the previous version?

Well, the overall theme of the old model is good, pointed menacing structure, intimidating, good weapon placement but its already outdated. Even MediaVps 2014 have updated theirs. So I have match my mod assets to the new standard. If there is detailed version of the Vengeance, I will use that. I have searched for it but could not find it.