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Title: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 12, 2013, 12:31:10 pm
For all your questions or discussion of the various deals being offered.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 12, 2013, 12:31:44 pm
OK - XCOM for $10 - worth it?  It's on my wishlist, and it's 75% off.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 12, 2013, 12:38:09 pm
My body is not ready.

I held off yesterday, but aarrrgh, I'm giving in.  I at least have to get Surgeon Simulator, because come on, so many lulz.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 12, 2013, 12:40:41 pm
OK - XCOM for $10 - worth it?  It's on my wishlist, and it's 75% off.

Yes.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 12, 2013, 12:44:08 pm
So, The Walking Dead: is it still a worthwhile experience if I have essentially no knowledge of either the original comic or the TV series?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: StarSlayer on July 12, 2013, 01:01:04 pm
So, The Walking Dead: is it still a worthwhile experience if I have essentially no knowledge of either the original comic or the TV series?

The really awesome adventure game or the crappy shooter?

I bought the adventure game for my girlfriend since she really really likes the show.  It was pretty fun I thought and I have had no experience with the source materiel.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 12, 2013, 01:24:11 pm
what is this trading card nonsense.

also trying to decide if $30 is a good enough price for bioshock infinite and far cry 3.  but i'm not encouraged by the DLC structure in either.  especially bioshock.  what in the **** is this "season pass" crap?  i REALLY hate it when actual gameplay and story content is chopped up and offered apart from the game for more $$.  someone who has played these: am i missing anything of any significance if i buy the base game only?  if i buy the "deluxe" or whatever edition, am i going to get all kinds of extra gear at the start that is going to change the tone of the game? (looking at you, fallout new vegas)

also, thoughts on just cause 2 anyone?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 12, 2013, 01:26:28 pm
The Telltale adventure game, definitely.  I won't grab it just this moment, but I'll keep it in mind over the next 48 hours.  Antichamber from yesterday looked pretty intriguing too.

Edit: The "trading card" thing is tied into the new profile XP system, which basically increases your Steam e-peen as you buy and play more games.  For every game that supports them, you can get about half of a full set of cards via time spent playing the game, then the rest through random drops/trading.  If you craft a full set, it gives you XP and lets you unlock some random feature on your profile (a game-related smiley, custom backgrounds, what have you).  For the summer sale, I think you get a card for every three times you vote for the next community choice sale, as well as for every $10 you spend, and there are 10 cards in all.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 12, 2013, 01:30:48 pm
.... so achievements for spending money basically? 
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 12, 2013, 01:33:49 pm
Somewhat, though voting gives you freebie cards, so it's not a requirement.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 12, 2013, 02:14:35 pm
also trying to decide if $30 is a good enough price for bioshock infinite and far cry 3.  but i'm not encouraged by the DLC structure in either.  especially bioshock.  what in the **** is this "season pass" crap?  i REALLY hate it when actual gameplay and story content is chopped up and offered apart from the game for more $$.  someone who has played these: am i missing anything of any significance if i buy the base game only?  if i buy the "deluxe" or whatever edition, am i going to get all kinds of extra gear at the start that is going to change the tone of the game? (looking at you, fallout new vegas)

$30 for Bioshock Infinite is well worth it.  I picked it up at that price about a month and a half ago from a retail store.

No story DLC for BI has been released yet.  There are at least 3 story DLCs promised to be released by early 2014.  The season's pass is a "bulk buy" of all three of those in advance; it also includes some bonus extras at the start of the game (which don't change the game all that much really, more on that in a minute).  If you get a discount on the season's pass by buying the deluxe edition now, then I'd recommend it - I finished Infinite and promptly bought the Season's pass for $20 afterward.  If there's no discount on the pass, then you may just want to buy the base game to start and see what you think of the game before buying the advance pass to DLC.  Again, those DLC have been promised to be story-expanding DLC with significant content, not "Horse Armour Packs" :P

The Season's Pass benefits give you some extra in-game stuff and then the DLC access.  The in-game stuff is 5 upgrades to health, shields, or salts (you get 24 total in the base game, the bonus raises that to 29, so it gives you a minor boost to stats at the start of the game), and then 5 gear items which are basically clothes that grant bonus abilities.  The bonus gear are not included in the base game, and are slightly more-powerful variants of base game gears for the most part.

I played the base game on Hard difficulty, and am currently doing a playthrough on 1999 Mode (which is supposed to be extra hard and harken back to the days of System Shock 2 - so far, I don't find it anywhere near that difficult).  I played the base game without the bonuses, then bought the pass before I started into 1999 Mode.  I haven't found they make significant changes to the base game by breaking anything, it just gives you earlier access to better survival or more powers use.  If anything, I'm finding my 1999 Mode run easier than hard most, mostly because I've now learned the intricacies of the various gameplay tactics and can use them to full effect.

System Shock 2 is my favourite game, period.  Deus Ex is a close second.  Bioshock Infinite has landed in the top 10 (along with DX:HR, the Mass Effect series, DA:O, Company of Heroes, and several others) so it's in very good company.  It is absolutely worth $30 to play immediately if you so desire, and if you're anything like me I'd bet you're going to buy the Season's Pass or all the story DLC individually later anyway.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Polpolion on July 12, 2013, 05:10:13 pm
anyone think Metro Last Light is worth 40 dollars? I really enjoyed 2033.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 12, 2013, 05:24:30 pm
just dropped $76.  oh gods.  most of it was rocksmith DLC.  i got almost every song available i thought i might want eventually, since it never goes on sale any time else.  now i just wish i hadn't bought those songs 2 days ago.  my cart was up over $100, but i managed to convince myself to let far cry 3 and just cause 2 go.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Hades on July 12, 2013, 05:28:19 pm
So, story DLC is bad but song DLC is good? :P
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: crizza on July 12, 2013, 05:44:02 pm
And Xcom - Enemy Unknown is mine...9.99€ :)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: deathfun on July 12, 2013, 06:55:54 pm
If everyone gets XCOM, we may as make a thread which has all of our teams going through a LP
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 12, 2013, 08:51:51 pm
Honestly the only thing that's saving me right now is that I still have a massive backlog, plus my ancient crappy 10-year-old machine just flat-out can't run some of the stuff I'd buy otherwise.  (I'm looking at you, Just Cause 2...)  I'm sure I'll wind up tacking on one or two things just from these first two days, though.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Phantom Hoover on July 12, 2013, 08:55:56 pm
you should definitely buy antichamber, if that's not been established already
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Black_Yoshi1230 on July 12, 2013, 10:01:45 pm
So I got Ys I & II Chronicles+ (that series is one of my favorites for good reason), FTL, and System Shock 2 (I know, it's a freaking bad move compared to getting it on GOG, but I don't have means of wire payment). Now I still have dough, but have no idea what to burn it on.

Anyone willing to provide a Top 10 of "What's really good and you should buy it or we will hunt you down?"
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: JCDNWarrior on July 12, 2013, 10:24:37 pm
I got Sleeping Dogs so far for 6.24 euro, quite a steal. I found it funny that it's DLC is four times the base game's price (25 euro even with 50% off), so I'm holding off on those till they hopefully become a little more acceptable (like max. 10 euro for all of 'em..).

Looking into what other games I might get, as well, but trying to be a little careful. I already got more than 160 games in my Steam Library..

Keep up the suggestions by the way, should definitely help down the line in purchasing games.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 12, 2013, 11:24:00 pm
So, story DLC is bad but song DLC is good? :P

expanding the base library of music by offering individual songs as add-on dlc makes sense.  there's not a chance in hell they are going to have an original playlist everyone loves, and with the dlc i can pick and pay for only the songs i want.  $3 is a little more expensive than i think it could be, but it's by no means gouging and i've got cash to splurge on something.  might as well make it something at least somewhat productive in helping me learn to play.

chopping up/extending the plot line after the fact is a cash grab strategy.  no, you NEED this $20 dlc or you're not getting the complete game.  publishers can screw off with that crap.  i have no desire to buy my single player games in installments.  i want one single complete product.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Phantom Hoover on July 13, 2013, 06:19:45 am
just cause 2 for £2?

i'm having that
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Patriot on July 13, 2013, 09:22:53 am
Picked up The Witcher enhanced edition and Supreme Commander 2 :)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: TwentyPercentCooler on July 13, 2013, 04:25:06 pm
So far, I've bought both Witcher games, Borderlands 2 and the season pass, Bully: Scholarship Edition, Defiance, GRID, Just Cause 2 (ready for miltiplayer mod shenanigans!), Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit, and SoaSE Rebellion.

Damn you, Steam!

EDIT: just added the new Tomb Raider and Demigod.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: An4ximandros on July 13, 2013, 04:33:10 pm
    I haven't bought anything.
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I don't know why new games don't interest me anymore, I'd rather play my old stuff and force myself to stop lolling and study 3d modelling so I can finish the bloody things I started.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 13, 2013, 05:25:26 pm
That gif violates the acceptable ratio of time-spent-watching to enjoyment-received.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Lorric on July 13, 2013, 05:27:11 pm
That gif violates the acceptable ratio of time-spent-watching to enjoyment-received.

 :lol:

Agreed. I stopped waiting to see what would happen when I first saw the post :D
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 13, 2013, 07:10:46 pm
tomb raider.  i've never played any of them.  i can get them ALL for $17.  should i?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 13, 2013, 07:35:37 pm
tomb raider.  i've never played any of them.  i can get them ALL for $17.  should i?

I'd say yes. The first reboot series (Legend, Anniversary, Underworld) is really good if you find it hard to stomach the severely dated graphics of I, II, and III. Those're good games, they just look terribly old. Skip IV and VI, V is all right.

And finally, the new reboot of the reboot was quite fun, and very nice looking, just a different feel from everything that came before.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 13, 2013, 08:02:36 pm
Steam, you bastards, put Skyrim on sale for a significant discount, not this 40% bull****.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 13, 2013, 08:27:54 pm
they're trying to get you to buy games you DON'T want :P
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 13, 2013, 08:32:09 pm
Skyrim is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Unless you're buying it for the text-editor based minigame, that is.  You'll spend a lot of time on that.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 13, 2013, 09:13:26 pm
Steam, you bastards, put Skyrim on sale for a significant discount, not this 40% bull****.

Pretty much this. Though I'm blaming Bethesda harder than Steam. Oh well, at least we'll have the winter sale.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: TwentyPercentCooler on July 13, 2013, 10:51:02 pm
Skyrim is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Unless you're buying it for the text-editor based minigame, that is.  You'll spend a lot of time on that.

Like Oblivion, and Fallout 3/New Vegas, it only really shines with mods. The unmodded game isn't /bad,/ but when you have access to mods you can tailor it to your personal tastes in RPGs and it really comes alive.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on July 14, 2013, 12:44:31 am
Skyrim is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Unless you're buying it for the text-editor based minigame, that is.  You'll spend a lot of time on that.

Like Oblivion, and Fallout 3/New Vegas, it only really shines with mods. The unmodded game isn't /bad,/ but when you have access to mods you can tailor it to your personal tastes in RPGs and it really comes alive.
Hardly; Oblivion was unplayable without mods. Unmodded Skyrim was already superior to a fully-modded Oblivion install.

Which isn't to say there aren't some really cool Skyrim mods out there...
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: TwentyPercentCooler on July 14, 2013, 01:45:35 am
Skyrim is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Unless you're buying it for the text-editor based minigame, that is.  You'll spend a lot of time on that.

Like Oblivion, and Fallout 3/New Vegas, it only really shines with mods. The unmodded game isn't /bad,/ but when you have access to mods you can tailor it to your personal tastes in RPGs and it really comes alive.
Hardly; Oblivion was unplayable without mods. Unmodded Skyrim was already superior to a fully-modded Oblivion install.

Which isn't to say there aren't some really cool Skyrim mods out there...

I didn't really play a whole lot of Oblivion, it never hooked me, so I really don't have much of an opinion about it other than that Bethesda games tend to be better with mods. Either way, I didn't really get into Skyrim until there were a lot of mods out for it. I kind of find the DLC a bit comical. Dragonborn actually added content, but Hearthfire was basically a mod, and Dawnguard...well, my opinion of Dawnguard is that it was a sad attempt to capitalize on the Vampires vs Werewolves crap that Twilight started. Kill it with fire.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on July 14, 2013, 01:52:41 am
well, my opinion of Dawnguard is that it was a sad attempt to capitalize on the Vampires vs Werewolves crap that Twilight started.
wat

Okay, firstly, where was any "Vampires vs Werewolves" in the Dawnguard questline? Secondly, what.

Seriously, if you think "Vampires vs Werewolves" started in 2005, you were living under a rock...
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: jkalltheway on July 14, 2013, 03:04:44 am
My body is not ready.

I held off yesterday, but aarrrgh, I'm giving in.  I at least have to get Surgeon Simulator, because come on, so many lulz.

Surgeon simulator is hilarious. It took me about a day just to get past the start screen.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: TwentyPercentCooler on July 14, 2013, 10:01:53 am
well, my opinion of Dawnguard is that it was a sad attempt to capitalize on the Vampires vs Werewolves crap that Twilight started.
wat

Okay, firstly, where was any "Vampires vs Werewolves" in the Dawnguard questline? Secondly, what.

Seriously, if you think "Vampires vs Werewolves" started in 2005, you were living under a rock...

I should have said I felt like it was trying to capitalize on the popular trend, not that it created the idea. Unclear wording; my mistake.

I have an inherently cynical view of DLC. I still remember horse armor.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 14, 2013, 10:11:10 am
Vampires and werewolves have been present in TES series since at least Morrowind, possibly earlier (never played Arena or Daggerfall).

Also, the only mod I found necessary for Oblivion was the community unofficial bugfix patch.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Dragon on July 14, 2013, 11:14:53 am
Arena didn't have them, but then, it didn't have Daedra, too (weapons and armor topped at Ebony). It's kind of an oddball, though still fun. Daggerfall had vampires, werewolves and even wereboars. You could become either if you wanted. IMO, if it wasn't so horribly buggy, it'd be the best game in the series. I really wish they ignored consoles and made the rest of the series on similar scale and depth.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 14, 2013, 11:26:56 am
Skyrim is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Unless you're buying it for the text-editor based minigame, that is.  You'll spend a lot of time on that.

Like Oblivion, and Fallout 3/New Vegas, it only really shines with mods. The unmodded game isn't /bad,/ but when you have access to mods you can tailor it to your personal tastes in RPGs and it really comes alive.
Hardly; Oblivion was unplayable without mods. Unmodded Skyrim was already superior to a fully-modded Oblivion install.

Which isn't to say there aren't some really cool Skyrim mods out there...

I disagree.  Skyrim broke so many core features that I was forced (figuratively) to download mods to get them back to something resembling the earlier series' mechanics.

Oblivion could be played on its own, for what that's worth.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 14, 2013, 01:05:33 pm
Okay, so.

On one hand, Ace Combat has always seemed gimmicky and kind of everything terrible about writing in Japanese games rolled up in a semi-appealing package. On the other hand, it's an arcade air-combat game and I'm contractually obligated to be interested, because I like that.

Assault Horizon's on Steam for 9 bucks in the next 7 hours. Anybody want to give me the pros and cons, or at least description of the mechanics in the game so I can make a better decision?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: SpardaSon21 on July 14, 2013, 01:07:39 pm
IIRC that's the Ace Combat: Modern Warfare version.  Avoid like the plague.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: The E on July 14, 2013, 01:27:27 pm
It is ... mediocre. It lacks everything that made the previous Ace Combats fun. There's no giant flying fortresses, no weird concept planes, and crucially, it lacks trench run segments. It also misunderstands the "differences in kind" gameplay mixup principle, giving you boring turret sequences (Turret sequences! In an ACE COMBAT GAME! The **** is this?), and somewhat mishandled Helicopter sequences.

Then there are scripting issues. It's ****ing weird to see planes just spawn in mid-air without a good excuse.

Overall? Avoid unless you can get it for free, or close to it. Somewhere below 5$ would be a good price.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 14, 2013, 01:44:02 pm
It lacks everything that made the previous Ace Combats fun.

Well, I've never actually played any of those and at this rate, never will.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: StarSlayer on July 14, 2013, 02:15:05 pm
*note I can not speak for the PC version.

I won't lie the first time I went to play it I really didn't like it.  The first intro mission will need to be played using the default settings which are super dumb/terribad and will make you want to fling your flight controller.  I had to adjust the settings quite a bit to get it to behave in a fashion I liked and even then it's not exactly like previous AC games.  For better or worse you will need to utilize the close action battle gimmick.  I'll always wish they had just kept the flight mechanics from the previous games but if you're not entirely turned off by the close combat feature and make the appropriate adjustments to the flight model the gameplay is fine.

Unlike AC6, where there was a large air to ground component in pretty much every mission, many of the missions here are strictly air to air.  Since it takes place in the "real world" the PAK FA and F22 are the fanciest things in the air and don't expect any regular AC crazy giant boss vehicles/mecha godzilla.  Attack helicopter missions aren't exactly Longbow but provide a break from the normal fighter OPs.  It looks very nice and the score is up to AC standards. 

If you had a choice between AC6 and this I'd get AC6.  It looks almost as pretty and the mechanics are superior even if the story dialog is cringe worthy and has all the silly anime boss stuff.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 14, 2013, 02:53:05 pm
I would be remiss if I neglected to remind everyone that To The Moon (http://store.steampowered.com/app/206440/) is on sale and you need to play it, all of you.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: An4ximandros on July 14, 2013, 03:09:29 pm
I would be remiss if I neglected to remind everyone that To The Moon (http://store.steampowered.com/app/206440/) is on sale and you need to play it, all of you.
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Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on July 14, 2013, 03:37:16 pm
Skyrim is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Unless you're buying it for the text-editor based minigame, that is.  You'll spend a lot of time on that.

Like Oblivion, and Fallout 3/New Vegas, it only really shines with mods. The unmodded game isn't /bad,/ but when you have access to mods you can tailor it to your personal tastes in RPGs and it really comes alive.
Hardly; Oblivion was unplayable without mods. Unmodded Skyrim was already superior to a fully-modded Oblivion install.

Which isn't to say there aren't some really cool Skyrim mods out there...

I disagree.  Skyrim broke so many core features that I was forced (figuratively) to download mods to get them back to something resembling the earlier series' mechanics.

Oblivion could be played on its own, for what that's worth.
Oblivion (and Morrowind) had the most appalling leveling system I've ever seen; without mods, you have to carefully ration out how often you hit the jump key in order to make sure you don't get screwed out of attribute bonuses, which is patently ridiculous. Oblivion's over-reliance on making NPCs and enemies level with you meant that you lose all sense of character progression anyway, and failing to get maxed-out attribute bonuses actually means you do worse at level 50 than at level 1. Throw in all the other bugs, and I literally cannot stand unmodded Oblivion (with Morrowind, I just throw in Galsiah's Character Development and it's at least playable, though I obviously prefer to add unofficial patches and whatnot).

With Skyrim, there is literally no feature from previous games I miss (except possibly the ability to not have to re-equip my sword after firing a spell).

Oh, and spellmaking. I really hoped one of the DLC would add that back in, but oh well.

Apart from that, I'd like to know what all these "broken core features" are.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on July 14, 2013, 05:46:58 pm
As someone who's played all of the Ace Combat series at varying points, I would recommend avoiding Assault Horizon. Gone are the fun dogfights of yester-decade, as the new game relies heavily on the auto-chase gimmick. The story is boring, there's no feeling of being terrifying to the enemy (a core component of Ace Combat since 4 onwards), and there's a lot of limitations in place on how you can do things and what you can fly as opposed to the 'pick a plane and go nuts' mentality of the older games.

If you've got a PS2, I highly recommend starting with Ace Combat 4 as that'll give you a great introduction into the game mechanics while keeping it simple and easy to follow.

If you want something similar on PC, check out a little game called Vector Thrust (http://www.moddb.com/games/vector-thrust).
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 14, 2013, 07:52:05 pm
If anyone else is paying attention to the summer sale card-collecting, I have an extra Bioshock Infinite card, and I still need any one that isn't it, Dead Island: Riptide, or Reus.  Just hit me up if you feel like swapping.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 14, 2013, 07:52:26 pm
With Skyrim, there is literally no feature from previous games I miss (except possibly the ability to not have to re-equip my sword after firing a spell).

Oh, and spellmaking. I really hoped one of the DLC would add that back in, but oh well.

Apart from that, I'd like to know what all these "broken core features" are.

You kind of answered the question already.

Basically, the stuff I like is not the same as the stuff you like.  I like a lot of the old systems from Morrowind that are either just plain not there in Skyrim or are changed in such a way as to be completely different (or broken, if you will).

Oblivion (and Morrowind) had the most appalling leveling system I've ever seen; without mods, you have to carefully ration out how often you hit the jump key in order to make sure you don't get screwed out of attribute bonuses, which is patently ridiculous. Oblivion's over-reliance on making NPCs and enemies level with you meant that you lose all sense of character progression anyway, and failing to get maxed-out attribute bonuses actually means you do worse at level 50 than at level 1. Throw in all the other bugs, and I literally cannot stand unmodded Oblivion (with Morrowind, I just throw in Galsiah's Character Development and it's at least playable, though I obviously prefer to add unofficial patches and whatnot).

I would like to note for the record that I do not like unmodded Oblivion.  I believe I've made a number of similar arguments to yours in the past regarding it.

That being said, I still think Skyrim is much more of a mess to the point that Oblivion shines in comparison: Aesthetically, mechanically, and narratively.  (I feel like I need to go drink bleach after saying that.)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 14, 2013, 08:05:32 pm
If anyone else is paying attention to the summer sale card-collecting, I have an extra Bioshock Infinite card, and I still need any one that isn't it, Dead Island: Riptide, or Reus.  Just hit me up if you feel like swapping.

I got a spare Prison Architect one if you want it.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 14, 2013, 08:21:29 pm
Sure.  Though I know that whatever I trade for will inevitably be the very next one I get as a drop.

E: Thank you sir!
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 14, 2013, 08:31:01 pm
I also have a spare Bioshock Infinite card, and need anything other than BI and Tomb Raider.

And for those collecting the cards specifically for Bioshock Infinite, I have an extra Songbird as well.  Need anything that isn't Songbird, Lutece, or Fireman.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 14, 2013, 08:33:08 pm
Anybody wondering why anybody cares about these cards: They can actually be sold for cash money if you should care to. I'm not sure what the point of crafting badges is, other than the aesthetic stuff and that it lets you get more drops.

I still have all single cards, no duplicates. But when I do, I'll trade somebody.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 14, 2013, 08:38:18 pm
Anybody wondering why anybody cares about these cards: They can actually be sold for cash money if you should care to. I'm not sure what the point of crafting badges is, other than the aesthetic stuff and that it lets you get more drops.

I still have all single cards, no duplicates. But when I do, I'll trade somebody.

Most of them sell for under $0.50 :P  Apparently the money goes into your Steam wallet.

As I said to a friend the other day:  if I get duplicates, I'll trade them, but the whole card / Steam level thing is just epeen enhancement.  I have Steam to play games, not waste time on other useless **** :P
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: ssmit132 on July 14, 2013, 08:49:46 pm
I would be remiss if I neglected to remind everyone that To The Moon (http://store.steampowered.com/app/206440/) is on sale and you need to play it, all of you.
I got that the last time you said we should play it, and I haven't played it yet. :nervous:

I'm actually trying to avoid buying things this time around since I've already got quite a few games from Steam and GoG that I haven't played yet, but I did pick up Age of Empires II HD, partially because I could have multiplayer games with my friends.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: deathspeed on July 14, 2013, 09:38:57 pm
I'm new to this steam sale stuff.  If Blood Dragon is already on sale for 25% off, is there any chance of it dropping even more as a daily deal, flash sale, or community choice?

I'm also considering picking up X3: Terran Conflict for $3.99, but not sure if I will actually enjoy it as I don't know much about the gameplay.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 14, 2013, 10:25:05 pm
i got the entire X series in a steam sale years past.  haven't played them yet :/
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 14, 2013, 10:59:05 pm
I'm new to this steam sale stuff.  If Blood Dragon is already on sale for 25% off, is there any chance of it dropping even more as a daily deal, flash sale, or community choice?
Very much so.  The standing rule for big Steam sales is to never pick up anything on your wishlist until the last day of the sale, since there's a chance it could appear as part of a daily or flash deal for even less at some point.  For Blood Dragon specifically, since it's such a new title, it might not be included in those more significant deals, but it's not like the price will go up again before the sale ends, so you can afford to wait and see.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: TrashMan on July 15, 2013, 12:45:27 pm
Steam summer sale in a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoGxA48HQ1g
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 15, 2013, 12:53:52 pm
Steam summer sale in a nutshel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoGxA48HQ1g

lol! Just grabbed Dishonored for about $13 after the expansions.
And I now have a duplicate Reus card for trade for one of: Bioshock Infinite, Dead Island Riptide, Prison Architect, or Skyrim cards. I'm in the Steam group, message me.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 15, 2013, 01:09:11 pm
Terraria is on sale for 2.50 USD if anyone doesn't have it.

And it's supposedly going to get an update (finally) sometime in the next few months.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: deathfun on July 15, 2013, 02:11:58 pm
It is actually suppose to get that update this month
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 15, 2013, 03:18:59 pm
Steam summer sale in a nutshel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoGxA48HQ1g

lol! Just grabbed Dishonored for about $13 after the expansions.
And I now have a duplicate Reus card for trade for one of: Bioshock Infinite, Dead Island Riptide, Prison Architect, or Skyrim cards. I'm in the Steam group, message me.

I have a BioShock Infinite card.  You message me (in about 6 hrs). =)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scotty on July 15, 2013, 04:07:44 pm
Picked up Mirror's Edge for six bucks.  Admittedly, the major reason to buy this one was because I got a new lappy that can run games all purdy like.  I'm going to enjoy this.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 15, 2013, 04:47:19 pm
I need to get around to that; I've had it sitting around since a sale or two ago.

And I don't even know if my machine can run it, but if Deus Ex: HR winds up being the next community choice at that crazy price, I'm totally hitting that.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 15, 2013, 04:56:34 pm
I need to get around to that; I've had it sitting around since a sale or two ago.

And I don't even know if my machine can run it, but if Deus Ex: HR winds up being the next community choice at that crazy price, I'm totally hitting that.

What are your specs?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 15, 2013, 07:19:11 pm
Well the kicker would be my lovely processor, which is a single-core Pentium 4 3.0 GHz.  Feel free to stop laughing eventually.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 15, 2013, 07:42:04 pm
That shouldn't pose much of a problem.  Your video card and RAM would be the biggest consideration.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 15, 2013, 08:05:44 pm
Extra Football Manager 2013 card for Dead Island Riptide or Skyrim.

(Yes, it's silly, but I feel like making a full set anyway)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 15, 2013, 08:11:34 pm
Yeah, that's what I'm never sure of when it comes to minimum requirements.  If they say "dual-core processor at X GHz," is that simply because you'd need the individual cores of said processor to be at speed X, or is there something about the game's thread behavior that absolutely requires multiple cores to run it?  At least if it's something like "requires Vista or later," I know I'm screwed from the get-go. :p

Edit: Welp, got the Augmented Edition and all the DLC, for a grand total of $6.  That's just crazy. :D
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scotty on July 15, 2013, 09:55:20 pm
I just got a Skyrim, if anybody wants it for anything.  First to message me gets it when I settle down tomorrow evening after training. :P
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: ssmit132 on July 15, 2013, 10:05:05 pm
I got gifted TrackMania2 Canyon because my friend bought a reduced multi-copy set. I would have preferred a non-Steam copy, but I'm not going to complain about free stuff (and I did want to get it sometime)!
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: achtung on July 16, 2013, 01:37:16 am
STOP IT GABEN


STOP TAKING MY MONEY


OH GOD
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on July 16, 2013, 02:10:50 am
Strike Suit bundle
Sleeping Dogs bundle
Anno 2070 bundle
Conflict Desert Storm
Unreal bundle
Mirror's Edge
Dishonoured bundle
Kerbal Space Program
Organ Trail
Killing Floor bundle
X-Com Bundle
Risen 2

And this list is going to get bigger. I'm poor, but happy!
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Black_Yoshi1230 on July 16, 2013, 02:15:47 am
Got the Deus Ex collection, SEGA Genesis Classics Pack 5 and Saints Row 2. Four bucks and no idea on how to spend it...

STOP IT GABEN


STOP TAKING MY MONEY


OH GOD

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ln16vPr51qel770.gif)

I'd like to say for the record this week is probably the best forty-six bucks I have ever spent.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 16, 2013, 03:20:07 am
I'm a bit over $20 for the moment, but that's going to jump by at least $10 more whenever I pick up a few wishlist titles near the end.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: jg18 on July 16, 2013, 04:02:52 am
Just got Deus Ex: HR with the DLC (better boss battles, apparently?) while it was still on sale, although I didn't notice there was an Augmented Edition. Eh, I have the game, and that's what matters. This is the first thing I've gotten from the sale so far.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff Vader on July 16, 2013, 04:51:40 am
Just got Deus Ex: HR with the DLC
(http://i.imgur.com/UYWDD.gif)

(better boss battles, apparently?)
The DLC has a better boss battle, but the core game stays the same.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: The E on July 16, 2013, 04:56:32 am
There's going to be a Director's Cut version that will integrate Missing Link and redo the boss battles. (http://www.gamespot.com//news/deus-ex-human-revolution-directors-cut-coming-to-360-ps3-and-pc-6409843?)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Torchwood on July 16, 2013, 10:33:20 am
I'm kind of curious what exactly that redo entails. A lot of people were unhappy with the boss battles, especially those who expected something similar to the first Deus Ex. Will they implement a way for exceptionally cunning and sneaky players to bypass them like the killphrases for the UNATCO mechs?

To deathspeed: I highly recommend Terran Conflict. Gameplay-wise, think of it as a extended version of Wing Commander Privateer or Elite. X3 is probably the best open world space sim currently available - you can work your way up from average joe pilot to intergalactic tycoon, and to top it off they have an active hardworking modding community. Be advised though - the learning curve can be a bit steep, as you are thrown into a huge universe with minimal direction - you might want to check out the Egosoft forums to get started, they write excellent guide.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 16, 2013, 12:12:37 pm
There's going to be a Director's Cut version that will integrate Missing Link and redo the boss battles. (http://www.gamespot.com//news/deus-ex-human-revolution-directors-cut-coming-to-360-ps3-and-pc-6409843?)

I can't read that link at work, but it had better be ****ing free to people who already own the game and hated the boss battles.

Protip for people just playing it now:  If you think the boss battles are stupid because you are playing a pacifist/stealth character (as I did), your stun gun can stunlock all of them to death with about 20-30 shots.  It's cheap, but the battles are stupid anyway.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 16, 2013, 12:13:34 pm
On a different note, it appears the maximum discount on Skyrim is 40% this summer (for the Legendary edition).  Guess I'll wait until Christmas.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 16, 2013, 12:18:05 pm
On a different note, it appears the maximum discount on Skyrim is 40% this summer (for the Legendary edition).  Guess I'll wait until Christmas.

I know! It's a real downer. Sure, I have tons more stuff to play, but a good deep RPG like this would really hit the spot.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 16, 2013, 12:29:48 pm
System Shock 2 for $2.50 is really tempting, but I've already told myself that I'll grab it on GOG instead, since they have a ton of extras with it.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Turambar on July 16, 2013, 04:54:43 pm
On a different note, it appears the maximum discount on Skyrim is 40% this summer (for the Legendary edition).  Guess I'll wait until Christmas.

I know! It's a real downer. Sure, I have tons more stuff to play, but a good deep RPG like this would really hit the spot.

Have you played The Witcher 2?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 16, 2013, 04:58:53 pm
On a different note, it appears the maximum discount on Skyrim is 40% this summer (for the Legendary edition).  Guess I'll wait until Christmas.

I know! It's a real downer. Sure, I have tons more stuff to play, but a good deep RPG like this would really hit the spot.

Saints Row III is more of an RPG than Skyrim is.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scotty on July 16, 2013, 05:27:22 pm
I think the term "RPG" has been a little bit conflated with "sandbox" lately.  An RPG does not have to be a sandbox to be an RPG.  Skyrim is fairly the epitome of RPG, in that you customize your character and advance your skills throughout the story in which you choose how your character behaves and affiliates.

Whether you particularly like it or not is a non-issue.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 16, 2013, 07:03:20 pm
On a different note, it appears the maximum discount on Skyrim is 40% this summer (for the Legendary edition).  Guess I'll wait until Christmas.

I know! It's a real downer. Sure, I have tons more stuff to play, but a good deep RPG like this would really hit the spot.

Have you played The Witcher 2?

I have yet to actually start into the first Witcher game, though I have it installed.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 16, 2013, 07:19:57 pm
I think the term "RPG" has been a little bit conflated with "sandbox" lately.  An RPG does not have to be a sandbox to be an RPG.  Skyrim is fairly the epitome of RPG, in that you customize your character and advance your skills throughout the story in which you choose how your character behaves and affiliates.

Whether you particularly like it or not is a non-issue.

There are two basic types of RPGs: Role-playing games and roll-playing games.  I rarely use the latter as my benchmark since it can refer to just about anything that uses a random number generator.

Skyrim as a role-playing game: I have a paladin character who runs around doing good and never once acting in a manner that is not lawful-good.  I go to
Spoiler:
Riften
and some jerk calls me a thiefy-looking-guy and tells me to steal something
Spoiler:
so I can join his crappy (heh) guild
.  Am I allowed to tell the authorities?  Am I allowed to bring him to justice myself?  Can I do anything other than walk away or complete his task? (Hint: the correct answer is "no")

Skyrim as a roll-playing game: I guess?  I mean, I didn't care for its take on this, what with it getting rid of any and all statistics and having the most ridiculous take on level-scaling / not level-scaling I've ever seen.  But other people seem to like the way it handled these aspects.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 16, 2013, 08:17:44 pm
Have you played The Witcher 2?

It's on the list to buy, so I haven't yet, but I do hear good things.

Skyrim is fairly the epitome of RPG, in that you customize your character and advance your skills throughout the story in which you choose how your character behaves and affiliates.

This is what I was thinking. And when I posted the first, I really did expect somebody to roll by and mention the Witcher :P

Also: Duplicate Football Manager and Tomb Raider cards now, need Dead Island and Skyrim (if somebody else beat me to Scotty's)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 16, 2013, 08:27:03 pm
I have an acquaintance who's aiming for a badge level of five with just a few more cards.  I'm not even going to ask how he did that.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: achtung on July 16, 2013, 09:26:43 pm
http://gaben.tv/
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: jg18 on July 17, 2013, 04:57:31 am
Contemplating getting Dishonored, since I've been interested in it for a while. Not sure if the DLC is worth it.

I'm thinking I'll wait and see if the price falls below 66% off or at least stays that way sometime after its current sale ends in 7 hours. Even if it doesn't go on sale again, there's always the Christmas sale. The backlog of to-be-played games (including FS2 mods) is plenty long as it is.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 17, 2013, 10:30:02 am
If you're talking about The Knife of Dunwall, I've heard it's much better than the stock game.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: jg18 on July 17, 2013, 11:28:52 am
The DLC is much better than the original game? That doesn't sound like a vote of confidence for the game itself... :blah:
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 17, 2013, 01:34:14 pm
Have an extra Torchlight card, and still need Tomb Raider, Skyrim, and KSP.  Hit me up if you need dat.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: achtung on July 17, 2013, 03:30:21 pm
Have an extra Torchlight card, and still need Tomb Raider, Skyrim, and KSP.  Hit me up if you need dat.

I'll give you KSP for torchlight.

steam id: mobius_12002
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 17, 2013, 03:55:53 pm
Sweet, friendered.  Only a couple more and I can stop bugging people. :p
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 17, 2013, 03:59:53 pm
I've got a spare Bioshock and a spare Prison Architect free to a good home.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: achtung on July 17, 2013, 04:27:15 pm
I've got a spare Bioshock and a spare Prison Architect free to a good home.
pls for giving the prison architect
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 17, 2013, 06:25:40 pm
I've got a spare Bioshock and a spare Prison Architect free to a good home.
pls for giving the prison architect

Who am I looking for on the steam group?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 17, 2013, 06:31:05 pm
Tomb Raider card up for grabs in exchange for anything other than Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Reus, Skyrim, and Football Manager.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 17, 2013, 07:19:41 pm
i've got some spares.  2 dead islands, a prison architect, and skyrim.  but i have no idea how to trade or give away or whatever, or generally how any of the "social" crap on steam works.  although i did join the HLP group the other day, so there's that.  steam name is sultanofsick.  the others i have are tomb raider, football manager, and chivalry, but i don't know how to figure out what i'm missing. 

if you want them, give me some instructions on how to give/trade them.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 17, 2013, 08:33:19 pm
You clearly need to play some more games with items in them. :p

Hovering over your big ol' account name in the Steam window produces a drop-down menu with a link to your Badges page; the Summer Getaway Badge will presumably be the top one there.  Alternatively, the info link on the top of the main store page has an option to view your summer badge progress.  To trade with someone, you can select it from the drop-down for their name on your Friends list, or just open up a chat window with them first and then do it from there.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 17, 2013, 08:59:17 pm
Hey Klaustrophobia, I'd like your Dead Island card, and can supply a Tomb Raider.

I've sent you a friend request, it'll pop up at the upper-right corner of your Steam window as a green highlighted envelope. Accept the request, and then when we're both online, it's a simple matter of opening your friends list, select a friend, click the drop-down arrow and click "Invite to Trade". Big ol' trade window opens and it's pretty self-explanatory from there.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: achtung on July 18, 2013, 01:53:03 pm
I've got a spare Bioshock and a spare Prison Architect free to a good home.
pls for giving the prison architect

Who am I looking for on the steam group?
steam id is mobius_12002
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 18, 2013, 04:57:54 pm
trading would be a lot more convenient if both people didn't have to be on at the same time.  propose/accept kind of thing. 

btw, i have tomb raider.  i need kerbal, reus, torchlight.  i'll still give it to you if you don't have any extras of those though.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Black_Yoshi1230 on July 18, 2013, 06:50:08 pm
trading would be a lot more convenient if both people didn't have to be on at the same time.  propose/accept kind of thing. 

btw, i have tomb raider.  i need kerbal, reus, torchlight.  i'll still give it to you if you don't have any extras of those though.

I have a spare Kerbal. (I also have an FTL Stealth and HL2 MetroCop if anyone needs those.)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 18, 2013, 08:24:42 pm
I now have both a spare Tomb Raider and Football Manager.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on July 18, 2013, 08:34:39 pm
I've got... cards. Lots of them. Lots of Skyrim and Kerbal duplicates. I don't really know what else because I'm not at my home PC with Steam and dodgy internet.

I'm pretty much giving them away since I don't really want them. I'm fully aware that this will probably bite me in the ass later but I don't really care.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: An4ximandros on July 18, 2013, 10:51:18 pm
This is completely legit.
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18uaxv0cozyn8jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 18, 2013, 11:00:26 pm
I lol'd.

trading would be a lot more convenient if both people didn't have to be on at the same time.  propose/accept kind of thing. 
That wouldn't really give you any way to avoid being screwed over, though.  The point of making both parties have to confirm before the trade is completed is to stop someone from removing all of their items at the last second.

All righty, have an extra Dead Island, and I just need Skyrim and Tomb Raider.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 18, 2013, 11:35:17 pm
steam id is mobius_12002

Well now all we need is to actually be on at the same times.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 18, 2013, 11:37:53 pm
Hilarious image.  :lol:
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 18, 2013, 11:56:07 pm
I lol'd.

trading would be a lot more convenient if both people didn't have to be on at the same time.  propose/accept kind of thing. 
That wouldn't really give you any way to avoid being screwed over, though.  The point of making both parties have to confirm before the trade is completed is to stop someone from removing all of their items at the last second.


i don't get it.  how could that screw anyone? 

person A: i'll give you ___ for ___.
person B: sure - trade made
                 no deal - nothing changes hands
                no, but how about ___ instead - person A now has same options

nothing happens until both agree.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 19, 2013, 02:19:57 pm
You do have a point, but then you run into the possibility of getting a bunch of unsolicited trade offers piling up that you have to deal with, as well as the question of how long trades should stay open before the expire, or how many times you can jump back and forth with changes, and so on.  I don't have a whole lot of experience, but all the games I can think of with individual trading systems all operate in real-time.

All right, one final bugging.  The only one I still need is Skyrim, and I have extras of Dead Island, Football Manager, and Torchlight.  After I get Skyrim, I'll still trade 1:1 if people need one of the extras.  My profile name is PD_Top_Gun, since I don't think I've mentioned that.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 19, 2013, 03:03:52 pm
All righty, have an extra Dead Island, and I just need Skyrim and Tomb Raider.

Hey, I'll trade you a Dead Island for my extra Tomb Raider. I'm Scourge on the Steam group.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Polpolion on July 19, 2013, 03:35:52 pm
maybe this is a dumb question, but what the hell is the point in collecting these cards?

edit: Nevermind, I see it. Can't say I care much since I wasn't aware most of these things existed in the first place. :p
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 19, 2013, 05:18:50 pm
All righty, have an extra Dead Island, and I just need Skyrim and Tomb Raider.

Hey, I'll trade you a Dead Island for my extra Tomb Raider. I'm Scourge on the Steam group.
I actually have the Tomb Raider one now, but I'm still up for that trade after I get the Skyrim card, so I can make sure I still have an extra Dead Island handy.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 19, 2013, 05:46:05 pm
ok i still can't figure this trading **** out.  Top Gun (mongoose?) is online now but i can find no button or link to initiate trading. 
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 19, 2013, 06:52:01 pm
Top Gun (mongoose?) is online now but i can find no button or link to initiate trading. 

Open your friends list, select a friend, click the drop-down arrow and click "Invite to Trade". Big ol' trade window opens and it's pretty self-explanatory from there.

EDIT: In other news, I've crafted my Summer badge. It actually eats up the cards needed to craft it... So anyway, now I have two space Tomb Raiders and a spare Torchlight II free to a good home. First to invite me to trade gets whichever they want.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 19, 2013, 07:32:58 pm
ok i still can't figure this trading **** out.  Top Gun (mongoose?) is online now but i can find no button or link to initiate trading. 
Weird...I guess you have your status set to hidden or offline or something, because on my end you show up as last being online 18 hours ago.  But yeah, do what Scourge said, or just send me a message and I'll open the trade window.

(If I'm marked as away, just send it anyway, since I'm probably just out of the room for a bit.)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 19, 2013, 08:11:05 pm
there was no "invite to trade" option under the arrow.  the arrow directly next to your name has all your aliases.  the other one on the "more" button has 4 options that were block, unfriend, report, invite to join group.

also, that green "sell" button on some of the cards is blocked for me with a message about needing a non-limited account or something like that if that's relevant.

yeah, it's saying 18 hours ago for me too.  this is fkin weird.  and one of the reasons i never bother with steam as anything other than a digital store, or required annoyance for physically bought games.

edit:  just set my profile privacy to friends only (from no one).  i didn't think that should impact trading, but might as well try it.  also checked and adblock is not blocking anything, ghostery only google analytics.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 19, 2013, 08:56:49 pm
Well, Klaus, I can see you on the list now, so that might have done it. Also, under the Friends menu you can set your status manually, so it's possible that you had it permanently set to "offline" or could have been the profile thing.

Anyway, it sounds like you're looking at a specific user's profile page instead of at the friends list. Check this screeshot, if it looks basically like yours, you should be good. On the Friends menu on the main Steam window, click "View Friends List" and go from there.

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9048/a8eo.jpg)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 19, 2013, 10:03:17 pm
got it all figured out with mongoose's help.  among other things, had to turn on the steam security thing.  and as it turns out, can't trade until 15 days after that.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Mongoose on July 20, 2013, 12:33:42 am
Yeah, we kind of hit a confluence of unfortunate circumstances there.  On top of not even knowing about the 15-day waiting period, I didn't even think about Steam Guard not being on, since I've had it turned on since whenever it was that it came out.  Thanks for the attempt, anyway; I did manage to bum a Skyrim card off a friend, so I have the full set now.  The extra Dead Island, Football Manager, and Torchlight are still up for grabs.  I'll be on vacation till this Tuesday though, so don't look for me to be around right away.

Edit: And now a Reus, too, from crafting the badge.  Just what I need! :p
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 20, 2013, 12:47:44 am
on a tangential note, anyone know how the cards attached to games work?  apparently you get a certain allotment of "drops" which as near as i can figure you actually get the cards for based on play time, but this number is short of the full set.  so how exactly DOES one complete a set for a game?  buying DLC?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 20, 2013, 01:15:00 am
on a tangential note, anyone know how the cards attached to games work?  apparently you get a certain allotment of "drops" which as near as i can figure you actually get the cards for based on play time, but this number is short of the full set.  so how exactly DOES one complete a set for a game?  buying DLC?

If I understand correctly, you can earn additional drops by random chance, just by logging into Steam at least once a week. I'm not extremely clear on that. Otherwise, you'll probably need to buy the remainder on the market (most for 10-30 cents). They're pretty close to old-style paper trading cards in that respect, I guess.

But again, it's completely optional, and not even really worth it to do unless you enjoy meta stuff like that. I also believe that crafting badges may earn additional drops for that game, maybe.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 20, 2013, 02:18:39 am
I've found that you tend get an allotment of drops equaling 50% (rounding  down  up) of the total cards needed to craft a badge.  So if you need 10 cards, then you get 5 drops.  But if you need 9 cards, then you [also] get  4  5 drops.  The drops themselves are, of course, randomized.

The drops happen over an 'active' period of time anywhere from 20 minutes per drop to please shoot me in the ****ing face it has been four hours and I still haven't gotten them all.

As for the random booster packs (three additional drops, not the cards themselves)....  I've yet to get one, and their little description isn't terribly helpful in establishing odds; it just says that they (it doesn't say how many) can spawn and get distributed when someone crafts a badge.  To qualify for that you need to (as Scourge said) log in once a week, and have no available drops for whichever game's badge was crafted.

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I think the market rates are interesting.  It seems like, aside from a few specific backgrounds, no one wants any of the crap (most of it sells for under ten cents) you get for crafting the badges.

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Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 20, 2013, 02:49:39 am
i got a foil bioshock card.  maybe i can get twenty? :D
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on July 20, 2013, 11:06:51 am
I've found that you tend get an allotment of drops equaling 50% (rounding down) of the total cards needed to craft a badge.  So if you need 10 cards, then you get 5 drops.  But if you need 9 cards, then you get 4 drops.  The drops themselves are, of course, randomized.
Except every 9 card game I have lists 5 drops, a 7 card game lists 4 drops, a 13 card game lists 7 drops, and a 15 card game lists 8 drops. Seems pretty clear it rounds up.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 20, 2013, 11:32:06 am
And apparently I misremembered. *facepalm*

I blame Terraria for giving me so many duplicates.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Fury on July 20, 2013, 12:23:00 pm
If anything, this summer sale reminded me of how very few games are of any interest (to me). So far I have grabbed Tomb Raider and Van Helsing. The first largely because of The E's recommendation and the latter because it reminded me of Torchlight and its sequel, which were great games. My only concern these days is not to increase number of games I am unlikely to ever finish.

Tomb Raider has so far failed to grab my interest, might change once I get further into the game. Combat feels somehow unnecessarily awkward. Jury is still out on Van Helsing as I only started it a moment ago.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 20, 2013, 03:07:46 pm
I know what you mean Fury.

I have the following installed and yet to finish (this does not include games I started and have no desire to finish):

Assassin's Creed I
Bastion (In progress)
Company of Heroes:  Tales of Valor
KOTOR 2
Thief 2 (In progress)
Thief 3
The Witcher
XCOM (the new one)

The combination of wife, kid, work, and multiplayer games have conspired to increase my backlog immensely.  I want to pick up Skyrim eventually, but I've really scaled back my purchases... I had the Stalker sequels and Fallout New Vegas on my wishlist, but have since deleted them because there is no way I will have the time.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Dragon on July 20, 2013, 03:13:11 pm
I wish Steam sold HD space to install all those games on. :) For example, I've got a full Half Life pack, with every expansion, every chapter and some other bonus stuff, but currently, I'm out of disk space to install all this. Looks like I'm gonna get myself a new HD, and not as a replacement, either. :)
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Fury on July 20, 2013, 03:57:51 pm
I used to have that problem after I got my SSD. Then I realized there is no need whatsoever to have all games downloaded. These days Steam client even supports installing games to different location than default. It is unfortunate that it doesn't seem to support changing that location afterwards. That's why I still find managing that with symlinks much easier if I move rarely played games away from SSD to HDD or back to SSD again. At the moment I have only 5 games installed in Steam, out of which I am semi-actively playing two. Third has been on hold for many weeks now. Two of them I haven't even touched since they were downloaded.

I know what you mean Fury.
I've got currently 30 games I have yet to finish. I have more than enough time to play them, problem is that these games bore the hell out of me within minutes. Which leads me to wasting time on other frivolous activities. I actually wish I had proper hobby or something else to do as I spend most of my days utterly bored.

And in regards to my previous post, for what it's worth I found that Van Helsing is more fun than Tomb Raider.

All that said, there are some games I really love to play. It just feels disheartening to buy games and have maybe one in ten games actually be interesting and fun to play. So much wasted money due to lack of playable demos.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: BloodEagle on July 20, 2013, 04:03:52 pm
I just got a Bastion booster pack.  So they do drop, apparently.  And they give you raw cards (I was mistaken, again, doy), not additional drops.

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For the summer card set, I have (spare):
x1 Bioshock Infinite
x2 Kerbal Space Program

I need:
Football Manager 2013
Prison Architect
Reus
Tomb Raider
Torchlight 2

If anyone wants to trade.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Lorric on July 20, 2013, 05:24:35 pm
I actually wish I had proper hobby or something else to do as I spend most of my days utterly bored.

It just feels disheartening to buy games and have maybe one in ten games actually be interesting and fun to play. So much wasted money due to lack of playable demos.

Maybe you could ask HLP for help with these?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 20, 2013, 07:34:35 pm
I need:
Tomb Raider
Torchlight 2

I can give you either or both of those. Just send me a friend request and invite to trade when you see me online (Scourge in the group).
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: MP-Ryan on July 20, 2013, 08:13:08 pm
I just got a Bastion booster pack.  So they do drop, apparently.  And they give you raw cards (I was mistaken, again, doy), not additional drops.

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For the summer card set, I have (spare):
x1 Bioshock Infinite
x3 Kerbal Space Program

I need:
Football Manager 2013
Prison Architect
Reus
Tomb Raider
Torchlight 2

If anyone wants to trade.

I need Kerbal and I have a bunch of what you need.  Look for me in the HLP group - the blue hedgehog is my avatar.  I can't find you... what's your steam name?
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: crizza on July 21, 2013, 07:00:23 am
And KOTOR2 is mine.
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: jg18 on July 22, 2013, 03:07:50 am
At the last minute, I grabbed Dishonored, Borderlands 2, and HL2 (yeah I know), all without expansions or DLC. I figure those combined with other recent Steam purchases (DXHR, SR3) and everything else on my to-play list (including FS2 mods!) should keep me entertained until the Christmas sales. I still haven't even finished BioShock Infinite or The Swapper (EDIT: or The Book of Unwritten Tales).
Title: Re: Steam Summer Sale Discussion Thread
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 22, 2013, 07:18:41 am
Gave up and purchased Tomb Raider. Need to find time to play it.