[Droid803]

They have the same amount... 80000...
The Demon in FS1 has the same armor as the Orion in FS1 (100000)...what are you getting at?
The Lucifer has the same armor as the FS1 Hades.
The Sathanas has the same armor as the Colossus.

[Flipside]

I thought the Deimos had about half of that?

Looks like we're all mentally under-remembering values tonight

I seem to recall that Shivan vessels had insane amount of armor compared to Terran ones, I wonder where I got that idea from? Maybe I just spent too much time looking at the Lucifer...

[Droid803]

Um, well you could make that comparison with the Lilith and <insert GTVA cruiser here>, but Liliths are Liliths, and are pretty much the exception.

[Flipside]

Liliths are Scary, mostly because if you don't check and make sure it's not a Cain, they can give you a plasma enema very rapidly.

[Woolie Wool]

And the Hercs shields are around 2/3rds that of its Shivan equivalent, the Basilisk. Not half.

If the FreeSpace AI wasn't a pack of drooling morons and the Shivan lasers artificially nerfed to give Alpha 1 an advantage, the Basilisk would still be the superior ship. It is down two gun mounts, but has a slightly smaller target profile, is faster, and has a better turning rate. They might be easy to fly against in FS1, but the NTF Hercs with Prom Rs in FS2 are considerably easier still, even when you're flying the barely airworthy POS known as the GTF Myrmidon.

[General Battuta]

Play on Insane!

The Freespace AI is fine. It's just the damage reduction and limits on number of hostiles attacking at once that the player gets that makes it feel like they're mentally handicapped.

[Woolie Wool]

Well, I was concentrating on the Basilisk in particular, which has a reputation for being an utterly pathetic fighter that it does not deserve.

[Droid803]

That's the Aeshma.
Which coincidentally is worse than the Basilisk in (almost) every area.

(And the Myrmidon isn't really that bad...though it owes most of what good it is to a tabling mistake by letting it carry Helios)

[Woolie Wool]

I just hate the Myrmidon. Really, really hate it. I'd rather fly an Apollo than a Myrmidon. At least the Apollo doesn't have a humongous cross-section regardless of angle and it can actually turn (the Myrmidon's turning rate is about the same as a Herc I's, if I remember correctly).

[eliex]

I can't see why the Myrmidon is so bad. Sure it can't carry the Harpoon, but with 3 primary banks, it can still deal out considerable damage without having to rearm. It also has slightly higher-than-average shielding and hitpoints for FS2-era space superiority fighters based on FRED.

[dragonsniper]

I like the Myrmidon just fine. Like you said, no harpoons is a bit of a bummer, but a little tbl editing would fix it real quick.

the Myrmidon's turning rate is about the same as a Herc I's, if I remember correctly.

I know the Herc's can turn fast at all, but they can hold quite a few missiles if my memory serves correctly. Anything that can fly, and isn't a heavy bomber, I'm fine with.

[Aardwolf]

I dare say you digress.

This is a topic about subspace.