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Offline Scotty

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
So, summing up your entire post: as long as situations had been diametrically opposite what they actually were when the portal was re-opened, blah blah blah could have happened.

 

Offline Drogoth

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
So, summing up your entire post: as long as situations had been diametrically opposite what they actually were when the portal was re-opened, blah blah blah could have happened.

It's important to emphasize how much of a pack of sissy losers the UEF is.

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Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Wouldn't happen. The very point of the war is for the Tevs to get their hand on Sol's industrial and logistical power, which is roughly equivalent to the Terran half of the GTVA as a whole (probably a bit less now that several shipyards and logistical bases have been nuked, but still). Plus, they've been promising their citizens they'll be able to go to Earth and reunite their families, first for after the activation of the portal, and then for after the end of the war.

They'll need and they'll want a solid military presence in Sol. Politically, and economically, they can't afford to let a single bit of independence to Sol. Officially, Sol is already a GTVA territory under the occupation of the enemy (they justify it by saying Sol was a GTA territory and the GTVA considers itself the legitimate successor of the GTA, and is supposed to get all the former GTA territories per the BETAC, but of course what they really care about is the PR side and the economical and industrial power).

War aims can change though can't they?

In real life, the US demanded total unconditional surrender from Japan in WW2, but the surrender ended up being more 'conditional' in reality didn't it?  If casualties continue to mount, the GTVA may be more willing to only get 80% or so of what they want.

 

Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?

It's important to emphasize how much of a pack of sissy losers the UEF is.

Tev4Lyfe

Now now, let's tone down the playground talk a bit.  We want to bring the UEF supporters over to our side right (or at least convince BP makers that a GTVA win wouldn't be bad right? ;)

 

Offline -Norbert-

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
War aims can change though can't they?

In real life, the US demanded total unconditional surrender from Japan in WW2, but the surrender ended up being more 'conditional' in reality didn't it?  If casualties continue to mount, the GTVA may be more willing to only get 80% or so of what they want.
They want to make sure the Ubuntu ideology doesn't spread into the GTVA. Either they prevent it, or they don't, there can't be a middle ground. They can't let 20% of the ideology spread.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
If that is the case, then surely the only way to prevent cultural contamination is to commit genocide on the inhabitants of Sol. Idealogy can't be halted with laws, only by destroying all traces of it.

Without the complete removal of every person with knowlege of the Ubunto idealogy, it will spread.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?

It's important to emphasize how much of a pack of sissy losers the UEF is.

Tev4Lyfe

Now now, let's tone down the playground talk a bit.  We want to bring the UEF supporters over to our side right (or at least convince BP makers that a GTVA win wouldn't be bad right? ;)

Everything is written out to the end of BP3, very little convincing can be done

 

Offline Aesaar

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I know! Broadcast videos from the Second Incursion.  Everywhere.  Show the UEF population: "THIS is what's out there, and you live in a pacifist state.  We can protect you better than your Council of Elders.  Just look at how easily we're beating you.  You really think you can take on the Shivans?"

Actually, they're probably already doing that.

 

Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?

It's important to emphasize how much of a pack of sissy losers the UEF is.

Tev4Lyfe

Now now, let's tone down the playground talk a bit.  We want to bring the UEF supporters over to our side right (or at least convince BP makers that a GTVA win wouldn't be bad right? ;)

Everything is written out to the end of BP3, very little convincing can be done

I know, I was just kind of kidding around.

 
Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I know! Broadcast videos from the Second Incursion.  Everywhere.  Show the UEF population: "THIS is what's out there, and you live in a pacifist state.  We can protect you better than your Council of Elders.  Just look at how easily we're beating you.  You really think you can take on the Shivans?"

Actually, they're probably already doing that.

As I recall, the GTVA got their asses handed to them during the Second Shivan Incursion.

 

Offline Aesaar

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?

As I recall, the GTVA got their asses handed to them during the Second Shivan Incursion.

They did.  They're also beating the UEF handily.  So how would the UEF do?

 
Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?

As I recall, the GTVA got their asses handed to them during the Second Shivan Incursion.

They did.  They're also beating the UEF handily.  So how would the UEF do?
I suspect they'd do just fine so long as nobody builds the Shivans a handy bridge to get into their system.

 

Offline Aesaar

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I suspect they'd do just fine so long as nobody builds the Shivans a handy bridge to get into their system.
Who's to say the Shivans couldn't have done it themselves?  Haven't they shown the ability to use nodes that no one else could before?

I can't recall, but wasn't there a really unstable jump node from Sol to Deneb?

But yes, chances are that if the GTVA hadn't come back to Sol, the UEF wouldn't be threatened by the Shivans.  But that's irrelevant, because they did come back.  The UEF's been forced back into the galactic community, and now they have to contend with the Shivan threat like everyone else.  And they're just not ready to do that.

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Offline qwadtep

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
If memory serves there were two phasing jump nodes to Sol that were cut off as well.


As I recall, the GTVA got their asses handed to them during the Second Shivan Incursion.

They did.  They're also beating the UEF handily.  So how would the UEF do?
In fairness, the Lucifer is the toughest enemy Sol ever had to face, and a Narayana thrashes it like nothing in the Tev arsenal.

 

Offline Aesaar

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Er, what?  If the Narayana's in HRed range, the Lucifer butchers it so fast it's not funny.  Even if the Narayana's out of range, a Lucifer will still live long enough to get close and kill it, just because those two side LReds can't be hit by railguns while it's closing, and it has a freakish 800 000 hitpoints.  And all this assumes railguns and Apocalypses could even get through the shields (I lean towards no for the railguns, but yes for the torpedoes).
« Last Edit: February 17, 2012, 01:02:54 am by Aesaar »

 

Offline Qent

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It's not certain what effect UEF weapons would have had on its shield, if any.

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Er, what?  If the Narayana's in HRed range, the Lucifer butchers it so fast it's not funny.  Even if the Narayana's out of range, a Lucifer will still live long enough to get close and kill it, just because those two side LReds can't be hit by railguns while it's closing, and it has a freakish 800 000 hitpoints.  And all this assumes railguns and Apocalypses could even get through the shields (I lean towards no for the railguns, but yes for the torpedoes).
Well, Narayana usually don't attack alone.
And they will never attack such a big target like Lucy alone. For example, Calder sent a pair of Narayanas to destroy the Atreus.
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Offline qwadtep

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Er, what?  If the Narayana's in HRed range, the Lucifer butchers it so fast it's not funny.  Even if the Narayana's out of range, a Lucifer will still live long enough to get close and kill it, just because those two side LReds can't be hit by railguns while it's closing, and it has a freakish 800 000 hitpoints.  And all this assumes railguns and Apocalypses could even get through the shields (I lean towards no for the railguns, but yes for the torpedoes).
The Lucy also has a speed of only 15m/s. At maximum range, a Narayana has seven minutes to disable the HReds and another five before the LReds can be brought to bear. Try it out in FRED; the poor Shivans get pecked to death.

Of course, it's a moot point since the Narayana didn't get its artillery upgrade until the GTVA invasion and the Lucy would undoubtedly jump away and repair like it did against the Orestes, and battles in BP are decided by plot armor and not specs, but it makes a decent demonstration of why the GTVA hasn't been able to capture Sol for 18+ months.

 

Offline Mars

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
The Shivans are also much better than they actually appear in BP. (The Shivan ships appear to operate at less than half of their true capabilities or something or other)

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Also, neither the Tevs nor the Shivans would be stupid enough to just try to close 12 km "on foot". The Shivans would just send waves of bombers or warships to flank the Nara, the Tevs would just send a pop-up Trebuchet strike to bring down its guns and missile launchers.
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