[Colonol Dekker]

No no no,

That came out wrong i must stop using wtf, but the smiley matched my confooseld expression.

Whiich cap-ship did you pick........ *coughsobek*

[blowfish]

If I could change my vote, I would.

[AlphaOne]

Wtf so youre telling me that the collie with 6 or 7 LRbg which are the equivalent of BFGreens would still come down second? No way what about the time differential of the amount of time it takes the jugg to close the gap in efective fire range?? The Collie could in theory come out on top .


anyway Sobeks are really not suposed to go against Deimos class corvettes. I mean they are from different time periods and have totaly different roles or rather the Deimos is more of a aaaf cap ship support ship while the sobek altough it has all those things it is more of a offensive ship mean to go head on with enemy cruisers. It is not suposed to engage anithing as large as a corvette altough it can do that.

Also the Sobek is rather smaller i believe and has a much smaller volume then the Deimos.  Its also more sleek and dangerous looking. i mean when first you see such a thing you think wtf? what will that thing do shoot me down with its engine exaust ? then it opens fire with those beam cannosn and then you get a rude awakening. The deimos is there also but it has a slightly diffrent role IMo and the time difference is showing in favor of the Deimos IMO.

[Droid803]

Wtf so youre telling me that the collie with 6 or 7 LRbg which are the equivalent of BFGreens would still come down second? No way what about the time differential of the amount of time it takes the jugg to close the gap in efective fire range?? The Collie could in theory come out on top .

13 LRBGreens do less damage than 4 BFReds. With only 6/7, there is no fight.
The difference in firing range between LRBG and BFR is 600m. The Sath's prongs reach that far...
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Sobeks do go against Deimos corvettes, however. The NTF Rebellion. Sobeks are capable of handling the Deimoses provided they are in front.

[Mars]

Please tell me how the Sobek and Deimos differ in what they're supposed to do? They're designed to do similar things: hunt cruisers, help take out destroyers.


The Sobek looks like a scaley phallic object whereas the Deimos looks like a heavily armed and armored brick... the Deimos wins the intimidation factor.

[blowfish]

The Sobek only has two anti-cap beams to the Deimos's 4, but they are more powerful (more forward firepower).  I have heard that the Deimos's anti-fighter defenses are better, however, in my experience, they are very spread out and can be avoided if you are careful.  The Sobek is all but undefended on its underside, but it is death if you are above it. IIRC the Sobek is older than the Deimos.

[Mars]

I was replying to this:

...have totaly different roles...

he said

anyway Sobeks are really not suposed to go against Deimos class corvettes. I mean they are from different time periods and have totaly different roles or rather the Deimos is more of a aaaf cap ship support ship while the sobek altough it has all those things it is more of a offensive ship mean to go head on with enemy cruisers.

but in game their roles appear identical, as they are sent into similar situations and against the same targets (just about everything)

[Akalabeth Angel]

The Sobek and Deimos do the same job, they're both corvettes, designed to fill the same role. The only difference is that:

The Sobek is a Vasudan design
The Deimos is a Terran design

When one or the other came out is irrelevant in my opinion. They were both introduced in FS2 and are therefore contemporary with one another.


Yeah the Sobek is blind on the underside.
So is the Aten
So is the Hatshepsut
Only the Typhon has an anti-cap beam mounted on the Ventral side.


Meanwhile the Deimos has a forward concentration of firepower, and with other firepower spread out to the sides.
So does the Fenris
So does the Leviathan
So does the Hecate
So does the Orion

Anyone see a pattern?

[blowfish]

The Orion has more power on its broadsides than forward.  And the Deimos only has half its firepower forward.  Also, the Hatshepsut isn't completely blind to capships on its underside.  It has a single SVas there.  And I was talking more about anti-fighter defenses anyway (though most Vasudan ships have a lack of those on their undersides as well).

[Akalabeth Angel]

The Orion has more power on its broadsides than forward.  And the Deimos only has half its firepower forward.  Also, the Hatshepsut isn't completely blind to capships on its underside.  It has a single SVas there.  And I was talking more about anti-fighter defenses anyway (though most Vasudan ships have a lack of those on their undersides as well).

     You're right about the Orion but the point stands. The Deimos still has 2-3 beams firing at any target forward as compared to one on the sides, therefore forward concentration. Oh, the Aeolus too. I thought the Hat's SVas was on the rear not the ventral side but I could be wrong as I've seldom fought against it, if ever. One of the most underused ships in FS2 and when it is used you can't bloody well see it in the nebula anyway.
     As for the Sobek/Deimos, one's a Vasudan design, ones a Terran. That's the difference.

[Droid803]

The Orion has more power on its broadsides than forward.  And the Deimos only has half its firepower forward.  Also, the Hatshepsut isn't completely blind to capships on its underside.  It has a single SVas there.  And I was talking more about anti-fighter defenses anyway (though most Vasudan ships have a lack of those on their undersides as well).

Which also happens to be the only SVas mounted on any ship in the game.
Its on the single little thing on the bottom. The rear turret is a BVas.

[ShadowGorrath]

Deimos is still considered the most effective corvette.

[blowfish]

The Deimos still has 2-3 beams firing at any target forward as compared to one on the sides, therefore forward concentration. Oh, the Aeolus too. I thought the Hat's SVas was on the rear not the ventral side but I could be wrong as I've seldom fought against it, if ever. One of the most underused ships in FS2 and when it is used you can't bloody well see it in the nebula anyway.

The Deimos can frequently bring two of its beams to bear in a broadside (in my experience).  And about the Hatshepsut - that's what I though for a while too.  Until I looked and discovered that all of its top beam turrets are BVas and its ventral beam is SVas.

[Droid803]

The Deimos can bring a MAXIMUM of two beams to bear on any given target, same with the Sobek.

The Deimos has blind spots to the top and front (blobs only), while the Sobek is blind on the bottom (blobs and flak).

[Mars]

I think that Volition intentionally kept certain ugly ships (Hecate, Ravana, Hatshepsut) mostly hidden in the Nebula. FSU has of course rendered this unnessesary

[Akalabeth Angel]

I think that Volition intentionally kept certain ugly ships (Hecate, Ravana, Hatshepsut) mostly hidden in the Nebula. FSU has of course rendered this unnessesary

       Eh . . that's subjective.
       If the nebula was used to cover ugly ships, why aren't there any Orions in the nebula

[Jeff Vader]

I think that Volition intentionally kept certain ugly ships (Hecate, Ravana, Hatshepsut) mostly hidden in the Nebula. FSU has of course rendered this unnessesary

       Eh . . that's subjective.
       If the nebula was used to cover ugly ships, why aren't there any Orions in the nebula

That is subjective. I think the Hecate looks sorta cool. More modern than the Orion. Less blocky. Not bad at all.

[blowfish]

The HTL Hecate looks really cool actually.

[AlphaOne]

Well as i remember from the tech room the Sobek was designed by the vasudans in order to counter the huge numbers of shivan cruisers. Instead of gooing with upgrading other cruisers or stuff they simply went to the drawing boards and build a ship for that pourpuse.

The Deimos was designed to replace the cruiser class altoghether and provide powerfull heavy beam cannons support to large cap ships as well and be a very powerfull aaaf platform in order to provide much needed assistance to the cap ships in war opperations, especialy regarding the shivans who have a nasty habbit of swarming the enemy with fighters/bommbers.

So basicly the Deimos is the GTVA's most succesfull jack of all trades so far. Sure this statement can be argued but a Deimos can prove to be a very serious threat to an enemy cap ships provided it has some bommber support.

The Sobek can be that with just its beam cannons provided it doesnt get blown to pieces before that by bommbers and stuff.

I will divert your attention that simply because these 2 corvettes the Sobek and the Deimos can do pretty much the same things doesnt mean they were suposed to do them well its just dumb luck they are able to perform that well . However they both have weaknesses the Sobek has its weaker aaaf defences when compared to the Deimos while the Deimos has its weaker beam cannons as oposed to the Sobek.

Each can do a job perfect and both can do all the other jobs well. But they can noit both do the same job perfect. That is why they are diffrerent.

[Colonol Dekker]

That's a load of arse, Have you (forgive the mental image) tried coming up behind a Sobek on hard?
It's Ultra's are bloody awful.........