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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => FS2 Open Coding - The Source Code Project (SCP) => Topic started by: Nyctaeus on February 08, 2017, 11:47:46 am
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I feel like a little bit lost in that case. Newer FSO builds are PBR based and handles no specular, but is there any option to enable classic specular maps instead of reflect? I know there was lot of discussion about that matter but I cannot find anything significant. Reflect mapping works differently than classic specular, but specular mapping was used for years before PBR came. Now there is a problem with compatibility of bigger mods.
Exile work on newest nightly, but all maps are still adapted for specular mapping so I plan to release it under 3.7.4 final. Anyway I still wish to use newer features. With thousands of textures adapted to specular mapping I'm unable to convert to PBR standard so I'm stuck with 3.7.4.
Could some kind soul explain me that matter?
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Any ship lacking PBR textures will still use the old specular maps automatically.
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Current nightly uses nothing, and it's long-term problem. It's just diffuse, glow and normal. Newer builds seems to ignore any specular maps I have in usage. When I open a mod on 3.7.4 final without any other changes, all specular are present.
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The specular map effect is still there, it's just no longer as apparent.
Without specmap:
(https://i.imgur.com/31ONK2M.png)
With specmap:
(https://i.imgur.com/USXwAzt.png)
Without specmap and post-processing:
(https://i.imgur.com/cuookQA.png)
With specmap and no post-processing:
(https://i.imgur.com/gvuwWVH.png)
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I took some shots of the Orion the other day. http://imgur.com/a/4Vg4l
I've been mostly concerned that since the PBR merge, if we don't update the MediaVPs to take it into account, we'll have an experience that is less pretty than with 3.7.4 when we release 3.8. Generally speaking, the appearance of most ships with all the eye candy enabled currently seems less impressive now than it was. I understand if we can't make the engine render older models as well as it did before, without changes to their textures, but should we release 3.8 without the MediaVPs being updated yet? There aren't a lot of good setting combinations that make the Orion's side not look like a mirror. Post-processing being enabled seems to wash out most of what the specular map does. With it disabled, the overall brightness seems to drop to more reasonable levels. I had thought that #1136 might have had an effect here but the Orion still looks pretty glassy in the ship lab.
Full disclosure though, these tests were performed on my Mac. I still have warnings during shader compilation, even though it is now using OpenGL 4.1 (Intel Iris Pro). There's a chance I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing if those warnings aren't happening for anyone else. I thought that Swifty might have been planning to address those after we finally fixed the CMake setup for Macs, but I don't think I've seen much on that particular front, as he's probably busy with his real job. Should the warnings warrant a separate github issue? I already have #969 open which is essentially for deferred lighting not working on Macs yet. But shader compilation isn't tied to that I didn't think?
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...but spacular was great :(!
Sorry for attaching things, but Tinypic is giving me cancer today. I attached science ship from Exile from 3.7.4 final and recent nightly. Specularmap is present indeed, but I'm kinda terrified how much this model lost because of new settings. All the dirty, metal look she used to have is now gone, and it looks like polished plastic. Plus I'm unable to use brighter light settings with different spec_tube to avoid mirror effect.
Adjust your textures to PBR - you will say. Learn new thing you will say, but there are thousands of textures still in usage. Not only in Exile, but also in other mods. Plus some of the best models ever released benefits mostly from excellent specular maps, like Steve-O's fighterpack.
I cannot force you guys to change things, but for backward compatibility old way of rendering specular maps must be restored. If not, it will be a reason for people to stay on older builds.
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I took some shots of the Orion the other day. http://imgur.com/a/4Vg4l
I've been mostly concerned that since the PBR merge, if we don't update the MediaVPs to take it into account, we'll have an experience that is less pretty than with 3.7.4 when we release 3.8. Generally speaking, the appearance of most ships with all the eye candy enabled currently seems less impressive now than it was. I understand if we can't make the engine render older models as well as it did before, without changes to their textures, but should we release 3.8 without the MediaVPs being updated yet? There aren't a lot of good setting combinations that make the Orion's side not look like a mirror. Post-processing being enabled seems to wash out most of what the specular map does. With it disabled, the overall brightness seems to drop to more reasonable levels. I had thought that #1136 might have had an effect here but the Orion still looks pretty glassy in the ship lab.
Full disclosure though, these tests were performed on my Mac. I still have warnings during shader compilation, even though it is now using OpenGL 4.1 (Intel Iris Pro). There's a chance I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing if those warnings aren't happening for anyone else. I thought that Swifty might have been planning to address those after we finally fixed the CMake setup for Macs, but I don't think I've seen much on that particular front, as he's probably busy with his real job. Should the warnings warrant a separate github issue? I already have #969 open which is essentially for deferred lighting not working on Macs yet. But shader compilation isn't tied to that I didn't think?
Yeah, this was a pretty major concern I had with PBR. HLP absolutely does not have the manpower to upgrade the existing stable of models to work properly with PBR. Unless it can degrade gracefully when using pre-PBR assets, it will amount to a net graphical downgrade. I was assured by DahBlount that this had been addressed and that old assets wouldn't have giant mirror polygons reflecting speculars like they're made of cardboard, but it sounds like this is still happening? Can we not, like, fallback to the old shaders for models without appropriate PBR textures, if that's what it takes?
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The biggest issue at play here is the changed lighting response. I think what we should be doing is see whether we can change the lighting defaults so that they mimic a more metallic lighting response when non-PBR assets are in use. That would probably be less of an issue than trying to shoehorn the old shaders into the pipeline.
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If anything can be done, that'd be awesome, but I've usually been told that we can't make the defaults match the old behavior any closer. I haven't looked into the technical reasons for it but if it can be any closer at all, it will really help with the acceptance of the 3.8 release I think.
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If anything can be done, that'd be awesome, but I've usually been told that we can't make the defaults match the old behavior any closer. I haven't looked into the technical reasons for it but if it can be any closer at all, it will really help with the acceptance of the 3.8 release I think.
There is one thing we can definitely do. Right now, the default glossiness value (which is used in non-PBR rendering) is set to 155 (using the scale in the F3 viewers' material overrides). Setting it to a slightly higher level (I think 175 looks good, but this is definitely something you'll need to experiment with) is definitely something we can easily do.
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Whenever I see bad lighting on a model the reason is, most of the time, that it's too glossy and specular. And you want to make non-PBR models default to being more metallic and glossy? This sounds crazy to me. Old assets look absolutely terrible when you see a glossy, sharp specular reflection slide over a big flat polygon with no normal map.
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I'm pretty sure the Orion even has normal maps, but they're not enough to prevent that effect shown in my screenshots.
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I'm pretty sure the Orion even has normal maps, but they're not enough to prevent that effect shown in my screenshots.
Yup. I'm quite curious how something like this may be possible using default settings. Specularity strong enough to make normal almost invisible. Especially when Orion has one of the strongest normalmaps in current MediaVPs...
The worst thing is the fact, that this is quite common with any brighter lightning settings on non-PBR models.
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I definitely remember hearing something about the new code making old normal maps look flatter or something. Which is crazy, and needs to be fixed so they're reasonably backwards-compatible.
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Some of these observations here are actually giving me some ideas.
Nyctaeus
With that same ship from the example you posted, make a copy of the -shine map with A) slightly lower overall brightness and B) higher contrast. Post the results please.
Phantom Hoover
Describe what do you mean by normal maps looking "flat" now.
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Nyctaeus
With that same ship from the example you posted, make a copy of the -shine map with A) slightly lower overall brightness and B) higher contrast. Post the results please.
I will check this out. Despite that, even if the outcome will be acceptable, it's still lot's of shinemaps to be adjusted.
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Indeed. I just want to keep track of any info related to legacy maps that people should keep in mind when making them.
The biggest complaint with PBR has been that it's a large undertaking to convert existing textures to use PBR considering how they operate. It's also unfortunately the one we can't really do much about as it basically requires a revamp of texture creation techniques.
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chief's screenshots show it up pretty well, I feel. I don't remember anything looking that bad with the old lighting.
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When I went through the chore of making exactly 100 reflect maps for WoD, I found that the F3 shiplab wasn't the greatest previewer for them. The lighting in there makes ships look worse than how they tend to look in an actual mission (And the techlab lighting just butchers them). I too was actually really happy with how the game looked with the old lighting, it was pretty easy to create a shine map and just have things look right. With PBR it takes a fair bit more tinkering and I still have ships that just look kind of 'off' in the shiplab.
Then on the other hand, when you do get a ship to look proper, there is an undeniable charm with PBR. A thin stripe of yellow that glows up when you fly past it, glow maps that look amazing and so forth. But at times it also really needs shadows enabled to fully compliment it, and those do tend to hit framerate pretty hard.
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I've definitely seen models look like that in-game though. I can't take screenshots right now, remind me on Saturday I guess?
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Massive battle beams has beams lighting up the entire side of the Orion. It's pretty obvious for me there. Can take more shots or video.
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chief's screenshots show it up pretty well, I feel. I don't remember anything looking that bad with the old lighting.
Right. Taking a look at the Orion images and the relevant textures, I *think* I might know what is going on. When specular maps are turned off when using legacy textures, there's no information to reinforce the normal map (this is actually a big part of the new renderer, regardless of PBR or legacy textures). With the specular map turned on, there's some of that reinforcing information, but it's not very apparent due to the darkness and low contrast of the legacy specular maps. A curvature map generated from the normal map can be used to give the specular map some more oomph so that the reflections are properly attenuated. I'll get to work on a guide for generating curvature from tangent space normals and how to apply the curvature to the specular map.
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I'm not sure it's just normal maps either.
Retail asteroids in current nightlies (https://youtu.be/IDz6rxmg1iU)
I don't have deferred lighting enabled, but everything else.
Here's the log from my Mac.
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Yeah, the retail asteroids don't have any specular maps by default, the specular information is instead composed of slightly darkened versions of the diffuse, which is not conducive to detail.
This mostly just tells me that we need to rethink how legacy specmaps are best created in terms of brightness and contrast.
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Yeah I imagine that will apply to all retail, I just noticed the asteroids were really obvious via their spinning the gloss patches into view.
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@chief: I also see the Orion/asteroids as a perfect glassy shapes with no normal map lighting. For more examples, almost all of the UEF fighters from BP are affected. The Kentauri is especially ugly. I'm on Win10 with an RX 480, so it's not a Mac issue.
Stupid suggestion: What if spec maps are greyscaled by the engine and used as gloss maps? Would that effectively fix the problem in an imperfect, but "legacy-supported" way?
One thing that strikes me is that when the shiny cardboard effect happens, the highlight color is *always* white. It may be better if somehow it referenced an existing colored texture (diff? spec?), so that blue metal shines blue instead of white, for example. *edit: I guess I didn't mean "white", but the light color of whatever sun is in the mission. It doesn't look like it's getting colored by any information in the model.
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Generated specular maps arent grayscale, they're just darkened versions of the diffuse map.
Doing a linear light pass over a greyscale version of the diffuse map with curvature data generated from the normals to generate gloss info would be the best method imo, but it would also be quite expensive in terms of shader computation.
We could also do some sort of hue and gradient detection to guesstimate which pixels are metallic or not and generate a better specmap and glossmap.
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I guess I am just curious, why are we generating specular maps anyway? I thought the main concern was that ships without them should look like ships without them (like retail) and ships with them should hopefully look as much like them as they did before? Seems there's two different issues here, with different possible solutions, or am I wrong?
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I guess I am just curious, why are we generating specular maps anyway? I thought the main concern was that ships without them should look like ships without them (like retail) and ships with them should hopefully look as much like them as they did before? Seems there's two different issues here, with different possible solutions, or am I wrong?
Actual reason differs from modder to modder because of different views and techniques. Specular map defines how the diffuse look like during direct contact with sunlight on specific angle, and as FS is not stricte photo-realistic due to asset aesthetics, prople use many different methods to get their speculars. I use specular to deepen metallic look of my texures, make them more grainy, dirty, less flat and less retail-like. However I've noticed that large part of community are quite lazy at making specular maps, sometimes just applying alpha mask or desaturating the diffuse. Difference in that is minimal, or final result is just uglier.
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Sorry, not sure if you were answering what I asked. Sounds like you were answering why we have them historically, but I meant why it sounds like we need to re-generate them in shaders now.
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Dahblount, where's that PBR texturing guide?
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Dahblount, where's that PBR texturing guide?
Currently on hold while I fix a few bugs and finish off some models. I had to go back and rewrite some stuff as well due to some insights I had after giving the shader code another look over.
I'm also dealing with some personal **** but this thread is not the place to discuss it, if ever.
Sorry, not sure if you were answering what I asked. Sounds like you were answering why we have them historically, but I meant why it sounds like we need to re-generate them in shaders now.
We only generate them if an explicit specular map doesn't exist.
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Ok, that's what I thought. So I guess my two questions for that are, why? Do we need specular maps to be generated for retail? What would it look like if we don't? I would have thought it would continue to look like it did before.
Second, how will how we generate specular maps fix things like the MediaVPs Orion, etc, which already have them? Or did we already discuss handling existing specular maps closer to pre-PBR earlier in the thread, and I just forgot?
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Well, I'm not terribly sure what it would take to stop generating specularmaps considering that the information is required for some lighting calculations.
I've actually discussed methods of making PBR textures for retail ships by using the original textures to assist in the creation of planar models that can be used to generate normal and ao information which can then be used in tools like Quixel Suite to generate PBR textures quite quickly. You can even use the generated information to create textures by hand in GIMP and PS, albeit it takes a little more effort since some of the functionality from QS or Substance Painter doesnt exist natively as single click functions in either GIMP or PS.
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Generated specular maps arent grayscale, they're just darkened versions of the diffuse map.
Doing a linear light pass over a greyscale version of the diffuse map with curvature data generated from the normals to generate gloss info would be the best method imo, but it would also be quite expensive in terms of shader computation.
We could also do some sort of hue and gradient detection to guesstimate which pixels are metallic or not and generate a better specmap and glossmap.
There's already a cache directory for every mod directory. Would it be possible for the shaders to save the texture information on first load, then just load those up on subsequent uses? Downside is more situations like the PVI Karnak, which had users complaining about black screen crashes when the game was loading it up. For MVPs, the pain could be alleviated by packing up the cache for download via the installer or something.
I guess for old models that come with spec maps not designed for PBR, perhaps the best approach is to ignore them all and rely on engine-generated PBR friendly cached textures.
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Pretty sure the cache directory isn't used anymore, at least not to the extent it used to. Regardless, the textures are generated on the gpu, not in the engine, so trying to dump them as a cached file would be a nightmare.
I'm also against overriding legacy specularmaps as I feel that could cause some outrage, due to the engine ignoring files that have existed for years. As I said, the best method I've thought of for generating decent specularmaps from the diffuse is computationally expensive and still quite incomplete because of the lack of metalness information to work with.
I'm still looking for good methods and workflows for legacy maps, but they're really not a priority considering we're trying to encourage the use of PBR for new textures at least.
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For what it's worth, at least FotG will use legacy specmaps for the foreseeable future if not indefinitely. Granted, we'll use custom shaders so default values and such are easy to tweak, but the basic support for specmaps still kind of needs to be there one way or another.
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As it stands, the current spec maps don't behave properly anyways, so I don't think it's a priority to make the engine use them, unless custom shaders specify them.
Anyways, my biggest gripe with all this is still the fact that many retail (orion, asteroids) and BP ships (every UEF fighter) look like absolute ass with their current textures in the PB renderer. If something can be done for that besides remaking all the textures, that'd be ideal.
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Without macrosurface (normals) and microsurface (gloss/shine) details, models are, of course, going to look bad.
I've addressed the issue in the past on several occasions, I should probably just make a copy paste for it at this point. Anyways, for many models that were never designed to have -shine maps (covers all of retail and the UEF fighters), PBR isn't going to look good without people going back and making the textures (Hell, the current UEF fighters still don't have normal maps!). In this case, your ideal solution is not only nigh impossible, it's highly impractical given the nature of the issue.
I ask you to take the time to read my previous posts in this thread and others related to PBR. My knowledge on the matter is, of course, not perfect and in fact evolves based on my observations of other rendering engines, research, and things I encounter in real life (****ing vantablack...). I'm doing my best to develop workflows and guides to fixing assets up for PBR in FSO.
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Out of interest, I'm pretty sure I get why the PBR renderer makes surfaces without ... err... ~those~ maps (shine? specular?) look bad; but could you explain to a graphics noob why they looked fine in the old renderer?
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Short answer: The shaders were (probably) designed with (mildly stylistic) rendering of the old retail models and mvps models in mind.
Long answer:I can't give one because I can't explain it fully without going back and reading through the old shaders.
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So.. maybe a default roughness/bump effect was applied to all surfaces by default? (just speculatin', no need to read the old shader code)
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I feel like chief and nyctaeus are describing two separate problems.
Chief's problem looks like an issue with normals not properly being interpolated across primitives. Which may be a problem limited to Macs. Someone needs to see if this issue looks the same on a PC. Chief, if you can tell me what mission that is, I'll do comparisons to figure out what really is the issue here.
And I feel Nyctaeus' issue is that the diffuse map is slightly muted, which is causing a lot of the dirty details to get lost (unless it's your -shine map that has all that variance in detail). That's because diffuse textures are now gamma corrected when doing lighting calculations. Read about gamma correct lighting here: http://filmicworlds.com/blog/linear-space-lighting-i-e-gamma/. If we don't gamma correct diffuse, then HDR/tonemapping completely falls apart. It's kind of hard to think of a solution for this while keeping us HDR capable.
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If we're talking about the asteroids, yeah, it looks about the same to me on Windows. Win 10, GF 970, all updates installed, Feb 23 nightly. Below is the opening of my debug log. I can't attach it all as it's 37MB, I have a few filters enabled. But a huge chunk of that is OpenGL debugging messages, they're like 95% of the log once it gets going. Mostly repeating stuff like this, over and over again:
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 6 (bound to GL_VERTEX_ATTRIB_ARRAY_BUFFER_BINDING_ARB (0), GL_VERTEX_ATTRIB_ARRAY_BUFFER_BINDING_ARB (1), and GL_ARRAY_BUFFER_ARB, usage hint is GL_STREAM_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 7 (bound to GL_UNIFORM_BUFFER (0), and GL_UNIFORM_BUFFER_EXT, usage hint is GL_STREAM_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 7 (bound to GL_UNIFORM_BUFFER (0), and GL_UNIFORM_BUFFER_EXT, usage hint is GL_STREAM_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 7 (bound to GL_UNIFORM_BUFFER (0), and GL_UNIFORM_BUFFER_EXT, usage hint is GL_STREAM_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
Initializing SDL...
FreeSpace 2 Open version: 3.7.5.20170223_4f9f0b6
Passed cmdline options:
-missile_lighting
-nomotiondebris
-soft_particles
-post_process
-fxaa
-fb_explosions
-fb_thrusters
-enable_shadows
-no_vsync
-ballistic_gauge
-dualscanlines
-rearm_timer
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-3dwarp
-snd_preload
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Building file index...
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\FS2OGGcutscenepack.vp' with a checksum of 0x84396e99
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\multi-mission-pack.vp' with a checksum of 0x377695e0
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\multi-voice-pack.vp' with a checksum of 0xd50e7442
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\root_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0xce10d76c
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\smarty_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0xddeb3b1e
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\sparky_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0x164fe65a
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\sparky_hi_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0xa11d56f1
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\stu_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0xd77da83a
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\tango1_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0x4c25221e
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\tango2_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0x86920b82
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\tango3_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0x705e8d71
Found root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\warble_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0xd85c305d
Searching root 'C:\Users\Cliff\AppData\Roaming\HardLightProductions\FreeSpaceOpen\' ... 10 files
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Searching root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\FS2OGGcutscenepack.vp' ... 10 files
Searching root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\multi-mission-pack.vp' ... 110 files
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Searching root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\smarty_fs2.vp' ... 10 files
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Searching root pack 'E:\Games\Freespace2\sparky_hi_fs2.vp' ... 1337 files
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Found 14 roots and 7564 files.
os_config_read_string(): section = "Default", name = "Language", default value: "NULL"
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AutoLang: Language auto-detection successful...
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Setting language to English
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Game Settings Table: Using Standard Loops For SEXP Arguments
Game Settings Table: Using standard event chaining behavior
Game Settings Table: External shaders are DISABLED
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Initializing OpenAL...
os_config_read_string(): section = "Sound", name = "PlaybackDevice", default value: "NULL"
os_config_read_string(): section = "Sound", name = "CaptureDevice", default value: "NULL"
Available Playback Devices:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) on OpenAL Soft *preferred*
Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) on OpenAL Soft
Available Capture Devices:
Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio) on OpenAL Soft *default*
Microphone (Logitech Mic (Orbit/Sphere MP)) on OpenAL Soft
OpenAL Vendor : OpenAL Community
OpenAL Renderer : OpenAL Soft
OpenAL Version : 1.1 ALSOFT 1.17.0
Found extension "AL_EXT_float32".
Found extension "ALC_EXT_EFX".
Enhanced sound is enabled.
Sample rate: 48000 (44100)
EFX version: 1.0
Max auxiliary sends: 4
Playback device: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) on OpenAL Soft
Capture device: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio) on OpenAL Soft
... OpenAL successfully initialized!
Speech init succeeded!
Play SpeechTechroom: true
Play SpeechBriefings: true
Play SpeechIngame: true
Play SpeechMulti: true
Initializing SDL video...
os_config_read_string(): section = "Default", name = "VideocardFs2open", default value: "NULL"
Initializing OpenGL graphics device at 1920x1080 with 32-bit color...
Requested SDL Pixel values = R: 8, G: 8, B: 8, depth: 24, stencil: 8, double-buffer: 1, FSAA: 0
Requested SDL Pixel values = R: 8, G: 8, B: 8, depth: 24, stencil: 8, double-buffer: 1, FSAA: 0
Actual SDL Video values = R: 8, G: 8, B: 8, depth: 24, stencil: 8, double-buffer: 1, FSAA: 0
Using OpenGL debug extension
OpenGL Vendor : NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL Renderer : GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2
OpenGL Version : 4.1.0 NVIDIA 378.66
os_config_read_string(): section = "Default", name = "OGL_AnisotropicFilter", default value: "1.0"
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 1 (bound to GL_ARRAY_BUFFER_ARB, usage hint is GL_STATIC_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 2 (bound to GL_ELEMENT_ARRAY_BUFFER_ARB, usage hint is GL_STATIC_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 3 (bound to GL_ARRAY_BUFFER_ARB, usage hint is GL_STATIC_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
OpenGL Debug: Source:OpenGL Type:Other ID:131185 Severity:Unknown Message:Buffer detailed info: Buffer object 4 (bound to GL_ELEMENT_ARRAY_BUFFER_ARB, usage hint is GL_STATIC_DRAW) will use VIDEO memory as the source for buffer object operations.
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WARNING: Failed to find uniform 'specFactor'.
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... OpenGL init is complete!
I'd hoped we would have deferred lighting working on Macs before the 3.8 release, Swifty have you had any time to take a look at Mac graphics since we got the builds working mostly ok?
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You can disable the OpenGL debug messages by disabling the "OpenGL Debug" group in the debug_filter file.
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Chief's problem looks like an issue with normals not properly being interpolated across primitives.
That's presumably simply because that's what the retail asteroid models are like. They are faceted/unsmoothed so there can and should be no normal interpolation on them.
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There should be something to keep them from looking like giant panels of flat cardboard IMO. I don't care what the technical reasons are, there's no excuse for graphical upgrades making existing models look worse.
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There should be something to keep them from looking like giant panels of flat cardboard IMO. I don't care what the technical reasons are, there's no excuse for graphical upgrades making existing models look worse.
Well, that's simple: they shouldn't be shiny/glossy/whatever-the-word-is at all.
It would seem to make sense that the default (that is, when no special textures are provided, such as is the case with retail assets) should be different depending on object type. Ships can be sorta shiny by default, but asteroids shouldn't be. Because even if the models had nicely interpolated normals, they'd still look like lacquered rocks.
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I've addressed the issue in the past on several occasions, I should probably just make a copy paste for it at this point. Anyways, for many models that were never designed to have -shine maps (covers all of retail and the UEF fighters), PBR isn't going to look good without people going back and making the textures (Hell, the current UEF fighters still don't have normal maps!). In this case, your ideal solution is not only nigh impossible, it's highly impractical given the nature of the issue.
Would it be impossible to literally just fall back to the old shaders for ships without PBR textures?
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I'm relatively sure that that is not possible since the PBR ships and non-PBR ships share a common color buffer for storing their lighting information but Swifty could probably tell you more about that possibility.
Another solution could be to enable PBR on a per-mod basis at which point every asset would be rendered using the PBR method which may result in suboptimal visual for non-PBR assets but it could be toggled on a per-mod basis, e.g. by setting a game_settings flag.
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Barring any better hybrid asset approach, if that last suggestion is feasible, it is one of the better ones I've heard yet. I think it's very reasonable to expects mods to be able to be all or no PBR, considering virtually no mods have PBR today, and going forward, it would be expected that any release would know it needs to be all or no PBR.
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I don't really like that idea. I'd rather spend some time figuring out if what chief is reporting is really a bug with the new renderer before writing it off as something that's endemic to PBR entirely.
But I'd like to emphasize, lower contrast from diffuse lighting contributions is definitely something that cannot be removed as gamma correction is very important to HDR/tonemapping. But I'll try to go the extra mile to figure out some technical solutions to this problem. I'm not promising anything though.
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Without macrosurface (normals) and microsurface (gloss/shine) details, models are, of course, going to look bad.
I've addressed the issue in the past on several occasions, I should probably just make a copy paste for it at this point. Anyways, for many models that were never designed to have -shine maps (covers all of retail and the UEF fighters), PBR isn't going to look good without people going back and making the textures (Hell, the current UEF fighters still don't have normal maps!). In this case, your ideal solution is not only nigh impossible, it's highly impractical given the nature of the issue.
I ask you to take the time to read my previous posts in this thread and others related to PBR. My knowledge on the matter is, of course, not perfect and in fact evolves based on my observations of other rendering engines, research, and things I encounter in real life (****ing vantablack...). I'm doing my best to develop workflows and guides to fixing assets up for PBR in FSO.
I'm new to this, but how to migrate specularmaps to PBR? I'm using GIMP, rather than Photoshop or any proprietary program.
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After some experiments, it looks like the issue involving models without specular maps is with the Fresnel specular component. Because the engine uses diffuse color as a substitution for specular data if none is available, dark albedo will shine less while brighter albedo shines more.
Problem is, Fresnel lighting doesn't work that way. At grazing angles, light contributions gets brighter.
I mean i could disable Fresnel if no specular map is available. But that will only work for the forward model shader. The deferred lighting shader has no idea if a pixel needs to have a different lighting model or not. So then that means I have to figure out a way to code the g-buffer so we can tell it to use Fresnel or not. That's... going to be difficult figuring out how to do that without ballooning the amount of video memory the g-buffer consumes.
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It's great that the issue has been found. @Swifty: I presume that this is the same bug plaguing the Orion and Steve-O fighters? And yeah, the asteroid/orion bug is definitely on Windows as well, with the deferred renderer.
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I think this should rectify the issues raised in this thread: https://github.com/scp-fs2open/fs2open.github.com/pull/1271
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Thanks for the fix!
All UEF fighters now look much better. Retail Orion looks as I would expect it to. (It still looks way too shiny, but it doesn't look like it has glitchy mirror lighting anymore)
Well done!