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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Wings of Dawn => WoD Forum Game => Topic started by: Spoon on September 11, 2015, 12:29:13 pm
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Edit: Updated T4I, SF fleet types +3 evasion due to speed doctrine
Updated T6s, CRF fleet types +3 evasion due to traded speed doctrine
DD fleet types have neutron weapons, due to traded neutron tech
Updated T7s, DD fleet modernization, +10 shields to flanks and +15 to centers. +2 to maximum potential
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Custom Fleet type Building:
Each faction comes with its own type of ships which different weapons and stats. A fleet is all of these ship stats added together.
You can create your own new fleet type! You just have to submit the list of ship types, I'll add the stats together for you. Just make sure you stay within the limitations, these being:
Each ship has a command cost, a center fleet has a maximum of 30 command, while a flank is half of that, 15. In addition to the command cost, there is a limit to how many ships of the same type you can put in a single fleet.
A flank needs to have some similarity to its center part.
Special note for the UGC; You can't mix Mercenary vessels with those of the UGCR. (You can of course have your fleet be a mix of mercenary and regular fleet types)
(Also, don't forget to give it a cool name).
Run this new fleet configuration by your faction's minister, who can then initiate a Fleet Proposal project to make it official. After this, Admirals can then refit their fleets to make use of this new fleet type. You can submit a center and its flank at the same time.
For your own fleet assembling needs, here are the ship types of each faction:
SF Ships (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V7v6XBKlxExE2VtpISworfPdhXXKu9n6oA_uKMxF3gI/edit?usp=sharing)
DD Ships (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lmMQVgXm5OvIp0nr1sN-xu-AUeENZYT9weiY0mVMvMo/edit?usp=sharing)
CRF Ships (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b1Dk6G8JuKQjj_Yn8Sbbrx8SfVR9FHDokRIcLNEAXmI/edit?usp=sharing)
UGCR Ships (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19N2pYw2WMREZta24hiokufYs2_llU9bdJSKVBChiQ2Q/edit?usp=sharing)
Fleets (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/164cif65JW8yDiwWhlgAcUy7yHU0pFb5_7jYQO5Qlp7Y/edit?usp=sharing)
Each faction comes with a 3 preset fleet types and the initial fleets may be composed of these available ones from the start. Each faction can have a maximum of 4 fleet types (center+flank), existing fleets can be edited or replaced if desired.
Fleet statistics:
Shields: Effectively serve as hitpoints that regenerate each new tactical combat turn.
Strength: Your fleet's hitpoints, unlike shields, these do not regenerate on their own. In order to repair this damage a fleet must be resupplied at a shipyard. Fleets below 50% strength suffer a 25% penalty to the damage they deal.
Evasion: A flat percentage to avoid a shot.
Experience: Fleet experience will go up one a level after a tactical combat*, and adds to the Potential. New fleets start at Regular (+0) and go up to Veteran (+1) and Elite (+2)
Garrison fleets do not gain Experience.
(*Actual combat, so no trying to raise your fleet experience by going into tactical combat with someone and not shooting at each other)
Morale: Like Experience, Morale adds to the Potential of a fleet. Morale is generally influenced by faction and Admiral achievements.
Morale ranges from Broken (-2), Shaken (-1), Ok (+0), Good (+1), Excellent (+2) and Zealous (+3)
Potential: There are several factors that can contribute to a fleet's effectiveness, such as good morale, crew experience, a solid commander in charge and so forth. But there is only so much a motivated crew can do to overcome technical limitations. This is reflected in a fleet's potential.
This stat affects a fleet's damage and evasion.
-Neutron: These weapons ignore 10% of the enemy shields.
-EMP: When a EMP weapon hits an enemy fleet, it applies a 10% accuracy debuff that lasts for a single tactical combat turn. (Make sure to fire it before the enemy gets a chance to fire this turn!) This effect can stack.
-ECM: This reduces the enemy potential by 1, it remains active for as long as the fleet that has it remains alive on the field. ECM does not stack.
-Fire Control: adds a +3 hit bonus on point defense and secondary batteries to all allied fleets currently on the same grid as the fleet that has the carrier. Fire Control does not stack.
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A starbase is subject to a few special rules.
It occupies its own grid and does not move. Ships adjacent to the starbase can fire their 0 and 1 range weapons at it. Fleets cannot move on or through the starbase grid.
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s490/kingspoon/WoD%20Forum%20Game/Starbase%20range_zpsepz6acho.jpg~original)
A starbase will fire its weapons at the closest, highest strength, target in range each phase of the tactical battle. (So it can fire at something five times during a single tactical combat turn)
Starbase stats are the same for each faction (though it will benefit from things like neutron weapons if the faction has this technology)
Like Garrison fleets, starbases repair themselves at a rate of 25% per strategic phase, free of charge and cannot be manually repaired.
(Starbase picture courtesy of the interwebs)
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Another question, so right now this only goes in how to compose our fleet centres but what of the fleet's flanks?
Third and lastly, (and I feel stupid for not seein this way before now), does fleet composition impact speed in tactical combat? (to find a balance between positioning and the raw order efficency that comes with keeping your flanks attached to the centre)
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There are two fleet types: Centre and Flank in the spreadsheet.
If you keep your flanks attached, you can move the entire fleet with one tactical action (Centre moves attached flanks as well). If you break them up, you get bonuses in combat (i.e. flanking, better positioning for firing), but you need more than one action to separate / move the flanks.
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Flanks consist of 15 command points, so half of the center.
Tactical movement speed is not affected, but I've found in most of my test cases that 5 orders tends to be plenty to move your fleets around.
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Updated with DD ships and fleets.
My head is spinning with numbers.
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Is 'Fire control' important? I see all carriers have it. Does it only mean 'flagship' (i.e. the fleet gets messed up if you lose the carrier?)
Also: 'Artillery' attack for DD cruisers has different range in 'Fleet' and 'Ship' spreadsheets.
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Fire control adds a +3 hit bonus on point defense and secondary batteries (all the 0-0 range weapons basically) to all allied fleets currently on the same grid as the fleet that has the carrier.
You can't lose individual ships in a fleet, but of course the bonus is gone if the fleet flank/center the ship is in gets wiped out.
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Another thing that I forgot to ask: must a fleet have the same types of Centre and Flanks? I.e. must a player fleet be 'Patrol Right Flank, Patrol Centre, Patrol Left Flank', or can you go 'Patrol Right Flank, Assault Centre, Potato Left Flank'?
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you can mix and match the types to fit so long as you have a center and upto 2 flanks, same for garrison fleets
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UGCR fleets tomorrow, along with pictures and stuffs
Change log:
SF Carrier HP from 60 to 65
CRF Destroyer Hp from 10 to 12, SH from 5 to 8
DD Destroyer Resource cost from 300 to 250
Every flank has a base of 50hp, every center has a base of 25hp. (To prevent flanks from blowing up too quickly
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UGCR fleets tomorrow, along with pictures and stuffs
YAY!!! :)
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Change log: UGCR Added
DD Frigate resource cost from 150 to 175
DD Frigate shields from 5 to 4
Every SF ship's strength increased by 5
Starbase stats and explanation soon.
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wha... 0rph3u5 posted the rules? :lol:
(and yay for the UGCR fleets, time to go shopping!)
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wha... 0rph3u5 posted the rules? :lol:
Of course I did, how else would I cheat? :D
(Spoon simply took advantage of me being inacapicated for most of the week - and technical stuff 'cause FORUMS!)
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Goddammit, Spoon, stop nerfing my Frigates.
Fun fact: still better than destroyers in all but HP/resource cost. But don't tell Spoon or he's liable to nerf them again.
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Just to repeat this for clarity sake, since it seems to have cause more confusion than I expected:
Your fleet consists of a center and two flank fleet types, selected from the available fleet types from your faction. So when selecting your starting fleet composition it's something like
Center: SF Assault
Left flank: SF Support
Right flank: SF Assault
The ships are only there to assemble such a fleet type, you don't assemble your fleet from indiviual ships!
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Sorry if this was mentioned somewhere; do we pay for our initial fleets? It would seem they're free of charge because otherwise, starting with 10,000 money/resources there's no way we could afford to build 3 fleets in the 1st turn?
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Initial fleets are free.
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Initial fleets are free.
Indeeeeed
Also, updated the first post. Hopefully easier and nicer to read than spreadsheets.
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There appears to be an error in the UGC Mercenaries Flank cost.
It is currently listed as the same as Regulars Flank cost.
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Also, updated the first post. Hopefully easier and nicer to read than spreadsheets.
I C wot U did thar.
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Thanks, Spoon, for the new format. It is, indeed, much more convenient to read.
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There appears to be an error in the UGC Mercenaries Flank cost.
It is currently listed as the same as Regulars Flank cost.
Fix'd
Thanks, Spoon, for the new format. It is, indeed, much more convenient to read.
Good to hear.
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Another post hijacked
Starbase stuff up in post three.
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So. First it was 0rph3u5 while he was away, and then, after I had logged out, like a coiled viper waiting for the right moment, he has struck again! :p
I was curious about what was in those posts, so I went and found out, but there was nothing of any value in them. They were essentially obsolete.
Now, about the Starbases, do I understand correctly that they can deal damage up to 5 times a phase if something is in range?
Also, how does repairing work? Do we have to pay to do it?
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You understand correctly, and starbases follow the same rules as garrison fleets when it comes to repair (added it to the post)
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Thanks.
Oh, do fleets have to move around the Starbase on the map or can they occupy the space it's in or fly through it?
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The post says that fleets can't occupy or move through the starbase.
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The post says that fleets can't occupy or move through the starbase.
Thanks. I must have missed that bit. It's like playing Advance Wars. Plane can't fly over a submerged sub! :p
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Spoon, can you please fill us in on some of secrets of fleetbuilding? some of configurations I've been playing through dont measure up to current fleet types because there are some "discrepancies" (e.g. CRF Carrier Flank has 50 Strength more than 3 Escort Carriers combined)
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Flanks gain 50 HP by default for increased durability
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Can you please provide a reference, were that is written down?
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Can you please provide a reference, were that is written down?
I don't know exactly where it is, but I can tell you it's definitely true. I've seen it, it's one of the balance changes Spoon made.
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Try this very thread:
Every flank has a base of 50hp, every center has a base of 25hp. (To prevent flanks from blowing up too quickly