[Iss Mneur]

Dns doesn't propagate (though the apparent effect is similar).  Changes are instant, but they are cached and then have to expire.

That is assuming that they have other IPs to move their customers to.  It may also be a matter of convincing beastnode's host to give beastnode a new group of IP and null routing the previous group.

which is pretty much what i meant.

in short, changing ip's is a smidge harder than what kyadck seems to imply. yes its ezpz on your local nets and so on, but when you're dealing with static ip's, accessible on the global net, well...

But, it still faster than the how many hours of downtime thus far? (Unless the DNS record has an insane time to live).

[pecenipicek]

Dns doesn't propagate (though the apparent effect is similar).  Changes are instant, but they are cached and then have to expire.

That is assuming that they have other IPs to move their customers to.  It may also be a matter of convincing beastnode's host to give beastnode a new group of IP and null routing the previous group.

which is pretty much what i meant.

in short, changing ip's is a smidge harder than what kyadck seems to imply. yes its ezpz on your local nets and so on, but when you're dealing with static ip's, accessible on the global net, well...

But, it still faster than the how many hours of downtime thus far? (Unless the DNS record has an insane time to live).

true, true.

[KyadCK]

But, it still faster than the how many hours of downtime thus far? (Unless the DNS record has an insane time to live).

This isn't DNS games, minecraft servers are direct ip, there is no name for the Domain Name Service to service.

in short, changing ip's is a smidge harder than what kyadck seems to imply. yes its ezpz on your local nets and so on, but when you're dealing with static ip's, accessible on the global net, well...

And yes, changing to a different static IP is easy. You static route your router to begin with, with a 0.0.0.0 catch all, and when you need to change what IP works for what server, you simply add a new static route and delete the old one, changing only the static internet IP. Done.

This is a 5 min job tops for anyone who knows what they are doing on a real* router per server at the most. Most likely is their entire range is being hit, because this is a simple solution and they're losing customers by not being able to do anything and waiting on the ISP.

*(Real implies they are using something commercial grade, which they better be. Think Cisco)

That is assuming that they have other IPs to move their customers to.  It may also be a matter of convincing beastnode's host to give beastnode a new group of IP and null routing the previous group.

Since they are still capable of selling servers, I'm going to say they have plenty of IPs left.

@Qazwsx: I would consider putting in a support ticket asking if changing the server's IP is an option. If for some reason it is only our IP getting hit, then this would be a quicker solution.

[qazwsx]

Server may or may not be running on 184.22.118.104:25555 or possibly 184.22.104.118:25555, I can't remember the bloody IP.
if it is, it's probably running badly.

wooooooo
also, please test, if it's still derping on here (other than out of memory problems which are more than likely to happen), there may be a bigger issue.

[Sandwich]

I can't connect to either, although the first IP appears to at least be giving me proper Java errors as opposed to plain "Can't Connect" stuff (i.e. I think the first one is the actual IP).

[Iss Mneur]

But, it still faster than the how many hours of downtime thus far? (Unless the DNS record has an insane time to live).

This isn't DNS games, minecraft servers are direct ip, there is no name for the Domain Name Service to service.

Huh?

Since they are still capable of selling servers, I'm going to say they have plenty of IPs left.

Again, just because they can sell servers doesn't mean that their commercial site is on the same host or even the same datacenter as the servers that they are selling.  In addition you are assuming that they actually own the IPs that they give out with their servers and IPs aren't actually owned by the company that runs the datacenter or by the company that provides the server hardware or network connectivity.  Basically, what I am saying is, they may not be allowed to null route IP blocks or change the IPs assigned to the servers that they are selling.

[rev_posix]

Ok everyone, MC 1.1 dropped today.  There isn't a recommended build of bukkit yet, so don't pester or ask.

Once the RB comes out, then your owner/admins have to test the plugins they use and potentially wait for the newer versions that will work with the latest RB from bukkit.  You want up to the minute stats?  Go look at the bukkit forums for yourself, and then give the owners/admins time to actually get them in place.  We have jobs that pay the bills and other responsibilities that take precedence over something that we do for fun and don't make a dime off of it.

Again, don't pester or ask.  The servers will be upgraded when it's done.



And most importantly...

DO NOT LINK OR OFFER COPIES OF THE MINECRAFT.JAR

Doing so is redistribution of Mojang intellectual property, it is NOT open source code.  Anyone one that does will have their post deleted at the very least.

I also have no problems with handing out warnings as well for doing this.

There are ways to get the earlier versions of minecraft if you clicked without making a backup first.  I have posted at least two legal ways to revert back to earlier versions of minecraft previously, search the thread.  There is also the Digiex Minecraft Launcher/Version Changer available, so there is no reason or excuse to 'share it out' to anyone else.

EDIT: Found another way of doing it.  YMMV, of course, but here it is:

If using windows 7 you can use previous versions and just roll back to before the update just right click .mincraft folder and then select properties and select previous versions selct one from before update and select restore.

Now, back to your regular creeper dodging. 

[FireSpawn]

*Pesters about updating just becuase I'm a dick* 

But yeah, I've updated and it's......okay. Sheep regrow wool, stuffs been rebalanced and you can spawn mobs in creative. TBH it just done what a couple of the mods I have on my hard drive, I just didn't need to do any of the screwing around in the .jar. 

[KyadCK]

But, it still faster than the how many hours of downtime thus far? (Unless the DNS record has an insane time to live).

This isn't DNS games, minecraft servers are direct ip, there is no name for the Domain Name Service to service.

Huh?

Since they are still capable of selling servers, I'm going to say they have plenty of IPs left.

Again, just because they can sell servers doesn't mean that their commercial site is on the same host or even the same datacenter as the servers that they are selling.  In addition you are assuming that they actually own the IPs that they give out with their servers and IPs aren't actually owned by the company that runs the datacenter or by the company that provides the server hardware or network connectivity.  Basically, what I am saying is, they may not be allowed to null route IP blocks or change the IPs assigned to the servers that they are selling.

DNS time to live, or DNS anything for that matter is not applicable to this scenario because there are no names involved; it's all IP addresses. Look back before techno barged in rudely up to the point I said DNS has nothing to do with it.

And should that be the case, then transfer the server to another one with a different IP and inform the user. Or ask if they would wish to (probably a better option). Since they have server locations both in the US and across seas, there are plenty of locations to pick from. The odds of every location of every country they use being down is slim to none.

[rev_posix]

*Pesters about updating just becuase I'm a d*ck* 

But yeah, I've updated and it's......okay. Sheep regrow wool, stuffs been rebalanced and you can spawn mobs in creative. TBH it just done what a couple of the mods I have on my hard drive, I just didn't need to do any of the screwing around in the .jar. 

I'm not holding my breath on it, but I'm hoping that the glitchy mobs in multiplayer are fixed, or at least better than they were.  According to the changelog, such as it is, for 1.1, there were various bug fixes done.

I've not had a chance to test with the new vanilla or the dev bukkit build, probably won't get time to do so until much later tonight.

[deathfun]

*Pesters about updating just becuase I'm a dick* 

But yeah, I've updated and it's......okay. Sheep regrow wool, stuffs been rebalanced and you can spawn mobs in creative. TBH it just done what a couple of the mods I have on my hard drive, I just didn't need to do any of the screwing around in the .jar. 

Sweet. Now I don't need to murder several hundred sheep on Pec's server just to reduce the amount of clutter the woolless bastards make

[pecenipicek]

*Pesters about updating just becuase I'm a dick* 

But yeah, I've updated and it's......okay. Sheep regrow wool, stuffs been rebalanced and you can spawn mobs in creative. TBH it just done what a couple of the mods I have on my hard drive, I just didn't need to do any of the screwing around in the .jar. 

Sweet. Now I don't need to murder several hundred sheep on Pec's server just to reduce the amount of clutter the woolless bastards make

its gonna be a while

bukkit isnt that fast at updating ****.

[TrashMan]

To lighten the mood

[achtung]

pec, reset the password for funtapaz. I can never remember it.

[pecenipicek]

pec, reset the password for funtapaz. I can never remember it.

done.

[rev_posix]

*Pesters about updating just becuase I'm a dick* 

But yeah, I've updated and it's......okay. Sheep regrow wool, stuffs been rebalanced and you can spawn mobs in creative. TBH it just done what a couple of the mods I have on my hard drive, I just didn't need to do any of the screwing around in the .jar. 

Sweet. Now I don't need to murder several hundred sheep on Pec's server just to reduce the amount of clutter the woolless bastards make

its gonna be a while

bukkit isnt that fast at updating ****.

Kinda, ya, they are.    Then again, they did have dev builds out surprisingly quickly this time around.  My own quick testing showed that the bulk of the plugins I use still work.  Spout needed a newer dev build (big fat surprise there) and there was some weirdness with generating a new world (not sure if it was multiverse or bukkit), but that was it.  Gives me hope, it does, that everything can be updated sooner rather than later.

[Mongoose]

So qaz, is there any update on which of those IPs should theoretically be working, or are we pretty much stuck until the DoS issue gets resolved?

[KyadCK]

With the server being down and thus no access to Fenris, I figured I would start on a side project:

[Aardwolf]

A ridiculously huge GTF Apollo?

[KyadCK]

A ridiculously huge GTF Apollo?

To match the ridiculously huge Herc 1 I did a while back, Yup.

The Herc was only 6x scale though due to at-the-time height limitations. The Apollo is between 9x and 10x scale.