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Re: [Spoilers] What is Shambhala?
Project Shambala may be the UED Murugan (Its there on YouTube), which may have a Quantum Pulse Transmitter, CASSANDRA type of entity, Lots of firepower (Ken says that Laporte must have an Armada...). Or since Admiral Bei and Samuel Bei defected to the UEF and given details, it may even have an experimental beam weaponry and plasma cannons.

Or like some say, Fedayeen is destroyed (Credits part of Tenebra shows unknown type of bombers approaching the Masyaf) and the Fedayeen crew and Data with CASSANDRA is aboard the UED Murugan, which will crush the GTVA with the UED Solaris battlegroups.

Here is the YouTube Link:
https://youtu.be/kkL1PlB1ZpQ

 

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Re: [Spoilers] What is Shambhala?
I doubt Shambhala is something as...well, as basic as a fleet of vessels, whatever the class. Mainly because it would go against Ubuntu, but also because that was a pre-Narayana design. Maybe there is a Murugan somewhere, unrevealed yet, but I doubt it would be a trump card.

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/UEFg_Murugan

Also, those were Gorgon bombers, and they mount warheads that fire beamz. But I doubt the Masyaf has been destroyed.
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Re: [Spoilers] What is Shambhala?
http://hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/UEX_Maitreya

Forgot about that. It'll probably be as similar to the Murugan as the Vindicator is to a regular Custos, so I wasn't completely off course. Maybe.
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Re: [Spoilers] What is Shambhala?
Someone (Battuta?) has said that Shambhala will interact with the narrative diegesis in a novel way. That rules out a supership.



My theory is that it involves rewriting local physics and/or metaphysics somehow. I know that's a little bit out there, but think about what we know:
  • Shambhala requires a destroyer-scale hull, but not for weapons or other tactical systems. What else is present on a Murugan? A massive reactor, advanced computing systems, sensors, and jump drives, and a lot of armor plating. It's easy to imagine some or all of these being applied in such a system.
  • Subspace drives can do very weird things if not calibrated properly. Diving into a different metaphysics, or bringing one here, isn't that much more sci-fi than falling into the AoAverse.
  • The above might require, or be facilitated by, meson reactors. The GTVA canonically uses those quite extensively. 14BG's "expertise" is helpful for Shambhala, as are the Agincourt and Solace.
  • Transcend... happened, in some meaning of the word. At the very least, the team wrote a debrief for UT2 for the specific purpose of mentioning it. Said debrief mentions subspace manifolds as a vector for transendance (or at least Transcendance), explicitly talks about the Transcendant rewriting reality to fit his degrading psyche, and implies that someone in the 'verse is aware of him.
  • The UEF (or the Elders, at least) want to win without fighting. Rewriting reality such that "fighting" isn't a well-defined concept certainly fits.
  • Ken promises humanity "a form of survival". Surviving in an alternate metaphysics probably counts, though this might be irrelevant depending on Ken's attitude towards Shambhala.
  • Defining away the problem lets humanity win against both the Shivans and the Vishnans, which seems... narratively fitting, at least, but this is mostly a feeling.
  • The experimental Murugan is named after the ruler of Shambhala. I'm not sure what this means,  but it's worth investigating. Bringing the realm of Shambhala into existence seems like a fitting thing for its ruler to do.
  • Shambhala was created to solve a problem that "predates the war by decades" and, iirc involves jump nodes, but now is something much bigger. Repairing the damaged Sol node or banishing Shivans from Sol both fit. Both can be imagined as constructing subspace domains, as the Transcendant did.
  • Shambhala interacts with the diegesis, which rewriting metaphysics certainly would.

 
Re: [Spoilers] What is Shambhala?
Okay guys. I played the whole game again. Here are some bizzare points that i have noted.
Don't Bite me if i am wrong.

--Age Of Aquarius--

-> There are some containers with some reference to Paramathma (Para=one, Athma=Soul) and stuff in the mission before you go to destroy the Lucifer fleet.

-> When you integrate with the Vishnans, you get a mission to go and help Admiral Bei to destroy the Lucifer.  Once accomplished, the Vishnan Sacred Keeper jumps in and says that "A Great Darkness" has come and they must all leave. Here, there is a light clue of what is the Great Darkness.

--War In Heaven Act 2--

-> There are references to the mathematical databases that Capt. Apries passes on to Noemi Laporte. Somewhere it is written that if it is written that if you try to analyse it for too long, it gives you headache, audio visual hallucinations, psychosis or something similar. :confused:

-> I did try to do one of the rarely done stuff. I traveled to the Vasudan Nagari Firewall and saw that Nabirasul was contacting Noemi Laporte. In the dreamscapes, he finally says that he would contact Noemi Laporte. It is even mentioned that when with the Emperor, Nabirasul loses the faculty of speech until he was on anti psychotics.

-> Nabirasul speaks about Asenath, (Wikipedia Quote: "...an Egyptian woman whom Pharaoh gave to Joseph, son of Jacob, to be his wife. The daughter of Potipherah, a priest of Heliopolis, she bore Joseph two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim...") I saw a vague abstract meaning, which i cannot describe.....

-> Al'Dawa Keeps speaking about NABOPOLOSSAR, EDDA, Zulu 8800. Consequently, 8800 is the words that Shivans Communication Nodes tell Noemi Laporte in Universal Truth.

-> Shivans also speak about "aspect swarm", "panonthos". They mention that after the Dawn War, Brahmans rose. (Shivans are Eternal) If i am guessing right, the Dawn War took place between the Great Darkness and Shivans?

-> When Ken tells you to the nodes, he says that "His Puppet Masters Are Watching", referring to the Vishnans and says that the Vishnan Sacred Keeper is about to fire the Aspect Swarm.

-> Then Ken says that Al'Dawa is the Fedayeen Anima (LEADER???)- Probably referring to the Group of people who began the Fedayeen or the Pilots who Destroyed the Lucifer.

-> Ken also says "Find your way to me", is he referring to Capella/trans abyssal gate??

-> In the single player missions in the tech room, you find the following
UEF Izra'il

UEB Lapith

A UEF weapon known as the Balrog (Which none of the crafts in current armada of UEF.


-> Later in the credits, the Gorgon bombers successfully target the Spatha Wing Deployed from UEFg Masyaf and the Log shows that a Spatha Fighter was destroyed (GTF Aurora AWACS Modules???).

-> Lastly, later in the log (credits scene), they report that the GTD Imperiuse is destroyed........ :confused:

These were my findings... I'll be putting Addendums if I miss out/need to correct a point.

Addendum 1- Ken Says that Shivans could rebuild collapsed nodes. To address that Shambhala was thought up.

Addendum 2- The Cargo Containers in the mission ken has 2 messages:
      a) A Shivan kind of message
      b) a vishnan message. (Cargo Content)
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