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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
It's very hard to translate "somewhere in Earth proximity" and "somewhere in Mars proximity" to the 4-8km radius sphere you'd need to jump into. On a map of Earth and its surrounding space 4-8km would be less than a single pixel so you'd need very precise information. You can do that for orbital stations since you can calculate their position in advance but with ships you either have to spot them with another vessel or make them come to you by baiting them out.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
It might well be that Severanti wasn't supposed to lead the invasion for long, since originally Admiral Bei was the one sent into Sol first. If he hadn't defected, I strongly suspect that he would have had overall command of the theatre (if the UEF had somehow managed to fend of the surprise attack at any rate).

So Severanti was likely the replacement for the actual commander.

But what I wonder about most is what Steele was doing prior to him being sent to Sol. Why wasn't he the first choice to replace Bei after the defection, or the first choice for being sent in with the 14th BG to begin with? His dossier made it clear that he was highly regarded pretty much from the beginning of his military career and everyone know how ruthlessly effective he was. That initial surprise attack is something that would fit in perfectly with his usual style, so why was Bei chosen over him?

Did the GTVA think he was too reckless to unleash right away and they only turned to him when it became clear that the less risky approach didn't work (or at least didn't work fast enough to their liking)?

 

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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
It might well be that Severanti wasn't supposed to lead the invasion for long, since originally Admiral Bei was the one sent into Sol first. If he hadn't defected, I strongly suspect that he would have had overall command of the theatre (if the UEF had somehow managed to fend of the surprise attack at any rate).

So Severanti was likely the replacement for the actual commander.

Severanti was the second in command of the Sol Expeditionary Force (of which Bei and the 14th BG were the vanguard). The original invasion plan had the 14th establish space superiority very quickly, with the rest of the force coming in to reinforce and actually hold Sol.

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But what I wonder about most is what Steele was doing prior to him being sent to Sol. Why wasn't he the first choice to replace Bei after the defection, or the first choice for being sent in with the 14th BG to begin with? His dossier made it clear that he was highly regarded pretty much from the beginning of his military career and everyone know how ruthlessly effective he was. That initial surprise attack is something that would fit in perfectly with his usual style, so why was Bei chosen over him?

Did the GTVA think he was too reckless to unleash right away and they only turned to him when it became clear that the less risky approach didn't work (or at least didn't work fast enough to their liking)?

There are factions within the Security Council. Steele, while undoubtedly effective as a military commander, has deficiencies when it comes to the political or diplomatic side of the business of fleet command. It was thought that, while he would undoubtedly strengthen the invasion force, his lack of diplomatic ability would make the business of holding Sol much more difficult than it needed to be. Severanti, as a member of the GTVA's "old guard", was chosen as a backup for Bei because there was no risk of him doing something that would make Bei's job harder.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
Is Severanti's strategy acting under the notion that there is no Shambala, no Morpheus contingency?

I can't imagine that Severanti is completely unaware of Shambala's existence; that could be pieced together from all sorts of intelligence readily available to a theater commander. I mean, even low level pilots in the UEF know that Byrne has a mystery project.

On the other hand, he may be vastly mis-estimating the scope/timeline of Shambala, and he is definitely incorrectly estimating the priorities encompassing MORPHEUS. My guess is that he doesn't know about MORPHEUS. Severanti appears to still be working under the impression that the end goal is the incorporation of Sol's resources into the GTVA, and as such the destruction of their infrastructure and population are unwanted and the removal of UEF leadership can be taken care of after the UEF surrender.

 

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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
On the other hand, he may be vastly mis-estimating the scope/timeline of Shambala, and he is definitely incorrectly estimating the priorities encompassing MORPHEUS. My guess is that he doesn't know about MORPHEUS.
As the theater commander, Severanti almost certainly knows about MORPHEUS because it's one of the big reasons why the GTVA went to war and is therefore information critical for him to do his job properly.  Just because we never get to see Severanti implement his plans for dealing with Shambhala doesn't mean he didn't have any.  GTVI and SOC were in Sol long before Steele was.

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Severanti appears to still be working under the impression that the end goal is the incorporation of Sol's resources into the GTVA, and as such the destruction of their infrastructure and population are unwanted and the removal of UEF leadership can be taken care of after the UEF surrender.
He's probably under this impression because both of these things are true.  MORPHEUS precludes neither.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
To put this question another way:  if you were a UEF military commander and you heard Steele replaced Severanti, would you be happy or disappointed?

 

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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
To put this question another way:  if you were a UEF military commander and you heard Steele replaced Severanti, would you be happy or disappointed?

Depends on the commander no? Calder certainly doesn't think so, but Byrne and possibly Netreba seem to think removing Severanti was a good thing. The difference being that Calder bore the brunt of the assault from Steele's blitz.

 
Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
Well, canonically... Telfer was quite excited in the debrief of Post Meridian, which gives us some insight into how Home Fleet viewed it. (I'm actually not sure why Telfer regarded the GTVA switching commanders such a victory - enemy disorganization? morale? But whatever.) At the same time, Calder warned that Steele was a bigger threat than Severanti, and in The Intervention Simms was pretty aware that giving Steele more latitude was a bad thing.

If I were a UEF commander, my response would probably likewise vary depending on where I was and how much I knew of Steele's style.



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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
I mean as a Very Definitely Not Team Member I can say that everything he said about MORPHEUS is exactly what I'd say based on released material.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
I mean as a Very Definitely Not Team Member I can say that everything he said about MORPHEUS is exactly what I'd say based on released material.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
Severanti was fully briefed on Morpheus.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
Not that it really matters what a team member says or thinks unless it's part of the canon. And canon material would suggest that anyone operating as commander in the sol Theatre would be fully briefed. Bei knew about it and so did Steele, there would be no reason for Severanti, Bei's 1st backup, to not be fully briefed about it.
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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
You're right, I forgot that Bei, Sr. knew about it.

 

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Re: Would Severanti's strategy eventually have worked?
How do you think Severanti views the state of the war now? 

Do you think he thinks he was wrong and Steele's strategy is better or is he thinking "If they would have listened to me, we'd be doing better now"?

 

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My guess would be "Sure this is effective, but is this really worth the cost it's exacting? We were supposed to conquer that infrastructure and not destroy it."

 

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My guess would be "Sure this is effective, but is this really worth the cost it's exacting? We were supposed to conquer that infrastructure and not destroy it."

This sounds about right, not to mention the amount of pilots KIA because of Steele's aggressiveness. Carthage's entire air wing was virtually wiped out.