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Offline Leeko

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 12:48:48 pm
Quote from: General Battuta on November 19, 2015, 12:39:57 pm
There's a very, very simple explanation for why Steele's going in early. Imagine that you've realized your opponent has a masterclass supercomputer that can predict every optimal move you make.

I considered that, actually. Hell, Ken even said something along the lines of "you're assuming that being optimal is not in itself a fatal weakness". Do something very non-optimal and you might catch your opponent by surprise and win anyway, yeah?

I'm just shocked that the Fedayeen could be caught completely off-guard knowing what I know about them. Perhaps I'm overestimating their ability to gather intelligence, especially given that the Hammer of Light's presence is rapidly evaporating. Perhaps my feeling on the matter is more like, "Hey, that's not fair!" Feels like cheating somehow, you know? :lol:

The tease of an epilogue was emotionally devastating, by the way. :(
 

Offline AdmiralRalwood

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 03:08:33 pm
Quote from: Leeko on November 19, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
Unrelated: I sometimes wonder if the GTVA has its own CASSANDRA.
See the Granite Hunter files. Look for the term "red asset". Draw your own conclusions.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Codethulhu GitHub wgah'nagl fhtagn.

schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

When you gaze long into BMPMAN, BMPMAN also gazes into you.

"I am one of the best FREDders on Earth" -General Battuta

<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.
 

Offline Adderbane

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #22 on: November 23, 2015, 10:13:34 pm
Quote from: AdmiralRalwood on November 19, 2015, 03:08:33 pm
Quote from: Leeko on November 19, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
Unrelated: I sometimes wonder if the GTVA has its own CASSANDRA.
See the Granite Hunter files. Look for the term "red asset". Draw your own conclusions.

CASSANDRA is a single specimen.  Out of all the GTI research in Sol they only recovered one.  Whatever the GTVA has seems to be less potent (or CASSANDRA wouldn't be such a game-changing tool), so I doubt they have one too.  "red asset" might have similar function, but I think CASSANDRA is unique.
 

Offline AdmiralRalwood

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #23 on: November 23, 2015, 10:50:13 pm
Quote from: Adderbane on November 23, 2015, 10:13:34 pm
Whatever the GTVA has seems to be less potent (or CASSANDRA wouldn't be such a game-changing tool), so I doubt they have one too.
So many assumptions being made here...
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Codethulhu GitHub wgah'nagl fhtagn.

schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

When you gaze long into BMPMAN, BMPMAN also gazes into you.

"I am one of the best FREDders on Earth" -General Battuta

<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.
 

Offline EuclidianGeometry

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 12:41:46 am
IIRC GTVA's Red Asset was to be used to translate a Vasudan language/body of text, but was then rebuked on grounds that it isn't taking requests for the time being. It's in the GRANITE HUNTER's earlier docs.
What is an "old nazi plate"?

One puts food on it then goebbels it up.
 

Offline Hopeful

Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #25 on: November 29, 2015, 08:38:26 am
Quote from: AdmiralRalwood on November 19, 2015, 03:08:33 pm
Quote from: Leeko on November 19, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
Unrelated: I sometimes wonder if the GTVA has its own CASSANDRA.
See the Granite Hunter files. Look for the term "red asset". Draw your own conclusions.
Question; are these files a lore-based in-game thing or should I go hunting on this forum for that? I'd love to read more but I don't have time to go searching on my own most days. TL;DR Links appreciated.
A story like the previous one never existed...
 

Offline Doko

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #26 on: November 29, 2015, 10:03:09 am
 

Offline AdmiralRalwood

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #27 on: November 30, 2015, 02:05:23 pm
There is at least one file that never made it into that article, but I'll try to fix that when I have some free time.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Codethulhu GitHub wgah'nagl fhtagn.

schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

When you gaze long into BMPMAN, BMPMAN also gazes into you.

"I am one of the best FREDders on Earth" -General Battuta

<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.
 

Offline FrikgFeek

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Re: [SPOILERS] Shivans, Shambhala, & Great Darkness Explained
Reply #28 on: November 30, 2015, 05:50:54 pm
Both of the files about the RCT group aren't in there. I have the 2nd one saved locally but I can't edit the wiki so I  can't put it in.
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