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Title: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 21, 2017, 08:39:00 am
We are a people of legacy. It is said that in the earliest days, when our people first walked upon the cooling silver sands of the twilight, that then was prophesied the destiny of our race. And we touched the stars, even as foretold. But in our conceit we forgot the words of the Prophets, and the Destroyers fell upon us in their wrath...

When your children ask of their history, of how they came to be
Atankharz'ythi, then you will teach them the words of this scroll, that they may learn from their ancestors and not repeat their arrogance and folly. The stars hold our fate; we search them for our salvation.


—The Scroll of Atankharzim


After years of development, the Scroll team is pleased to present Part I of this epic campaign.  Featuring 24 mission of epic sci-fi fantasy goodness, this release also includes fiction viewer entries from Sesquipedalian, command briefing animations by mjn.mixael, and contributions from many other HLP members.


Screenshots

(http://scroll.hard-light.net/images/screen-defense.png)

(http://scroll.hard-light.net/images/screen-cbani.png)

(http://scroll.hard-light.net/images/screen-arachnas.png)

(http://scroll.hard-light.net/images/screen-fiction.png)


Downloads

The campaign is on the FSO Installer, or you can download it manually here.  All of the following are required.

Root (https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/sa_files/scroll-root.7z) (510 KB)
Maps 1 (https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/sa_files/scroll-maps1.7z) (166 MB)
Maps 2 (https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/sa_files/scroll-maps2.7z) (75 MB)
Maps 3 (https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/sa_files/scroll-maps3.7z) (99 MB)
Other files (https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/sa_files/scroll-misc.7z) (498 MB)

You may want to listen to the audio track that we planned for the intro cutscene.  Download it here (https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/sa_files/cutscene_rough_mix.ogg).


Known issues:

Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: TopAce on September 21, 2017, 11:31:47 am
I can't believe this is finally out! Thanks for the memories, Goob!
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 21, 2017, 11:37:12 am
How many years in development? 15 :P? It's more than half of my life at all... And now one of the most mysterious projects of the HLP is finally released. Congratulations guys!
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on September 21, 2017, 11:52:05 am
I guess I know what I'm doing tonight. Congrats on the release! Hard to believe that this moment has finally come.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: T-Man on September 21, 2017, 12:30:00 pm
Oh wow. Huge congrats to you and the team Goober, can't wait to give it a play :yes:.

I think I remember this project being advertised when I first joined HLP and I've always looked forward to it coming out. Awesome :).
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Lykurgos88 on September 21, 2017, 03:02:48 pm
Honestly, I never saw this one coming  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Congratulations to everyone involved!  :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 21, 2017, 04:07:36 pm
Okay...
Spoiler:
So far I like what I play. First two missions are a little bit generic and expandable in terms of plot development but later ones are interesting. Asteroids jumping through some unknown node? Very old Knossos device orbiting black hole? Interesting start plus some very good writing and dialogues. It makes my wanting play further. I encountered one bug so far, in Mission M1_02. Nothing happened after attack on third shivan convoy. I mean message about stabilization of the Knossos displayed, but nothing further happened. When I replayed, further messages were present and I was able to complete the mission.

The problem occurs when I try to beat M1_03. What's going on with this mission? I like the initial concept, and proximity sensor script is marvelous. I scanned first batch of freighters, completed scanning of Primary cargo cluster but nothing is happening when I'm done with second cluster. Literally nothing. I tried to scan secondary cluster first, but no matter what I do mission is not progressing any further. Plus sentry guns are insanely annoying, as they are not displayed on proximity sensors.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 21, 2017, 04:23:38 pm
I have updated the first post with the soundtrack to the planned intro cutscene.  Our voice actor did a fantastic job with the narration.  Close your eyes and try picturing it in your mind. :)


Spoiler:
So far I like what I play. First two missions are a little bit generic and expandable in terms of plot development but later ones are interesting. Asteroids jumping through some unknown node? Very old Knossos device orbiting black hole? Interesting start plus some very good writing and dialogues. It makes my wanting play further. I encountered one bug so far, in Mission M1_02. Nothing happened after attack on third shivan convoy. I mean message about stabilization of the Knossos displayed, but nothing further happened. When I replayed, further messages were present and I was able to complete the mission.

m1_02: It's possible that in your first playthrough, Rho wing got hung up somewhere while trying to depart.  If anyone else runs into this, let me know.

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Spoiler:
The problem occurs when I try to beat M1_03. What's going on with this mission? I like the initial concept, and proximity sensor script is marvelous. I scanned first batch of freighters, completed scanning of Primary cargo cluster but nothing is happening when I'm done with second cluster. Literally nothing. I tried to scan secondary cluster first, but no matter what I do mission is not progressing any further. Plus sentry guns are insanely annoying, as they are not displayed on proximity sensors.

m1_03: I'll investigate.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: General Battuta on September 21, 2017, 04:43:12 pm
A Vasudan campaign set eleven years after the destruction of Capella, The Scroll of Atankharzim offers a rich and dynamic gaming experience.  A fantastic storyline weaves together elements from the highest examples of myth and epic with the science fiction adrenaline of FreeSpace 2.

Okay but what's it about
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 21, 2017, 05:03:23 pm
I don't see anything wrong with m1_03.

Spoiler:
Make sure you have explored every area of the depot.  This phase lasts for about nine minutes, whether or not you manage to target every ship.  And if you didn't get the bonus goal, you didn't target every ship. :p


Okay but what's it about

Vasudans.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 21, 2017, 05:28:25 pm
I don't see anything wrong with m1_03.
Spoiler:
Make sure you have explored every area of the depot.  This phase lasts for about nine minutes, whether or not you manage to target every ship.  And if you didn't get the bonus goal, you didn't target every ship. :p
Spoiler:
So the message about shivan corvette is appearing no matter what I do? I was thinking it's happening if I get too close to sentry.

Anyway no matter what I do, mission is always a failure at debriefing stage so I cannot progress any further. Debriefing is about invaluable scans, gathering of shivan ships, and preparations for closure of the Knossos. I don't know if this is intended, but currently I have no idea what else should I scan o__O. I also have no idea what I already scanned.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 21, 2017, 06:21:12 pm
Spoiler:
So the message about shivan corvette is appearing no matter what I do? I was thinking it's happening if I get too close to sentry.

Spoiler:
Yes, the corvette appears no matter what.

Quote
Spoiler:
Anyway no matter what I do, mission is always a failure at debriefing stage so I cannot progress any further. Debriefing is about invaluable scans, gathering of shivan ships, and preparations for closure of the Knossos. I don't know if this is intended, but currently I have no idea what else should I scan o__O. I also have no idea what I already scanned.

Spoiler:
Did you read the debriefing recommendation?  You haven't found what you need to change this outcome.

Remember your mission instructions: It's not just about what you scan, but what you target.  Make sure to target all the different types of ship formations you see.  I suspect you didn't target the group of gas miners.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 21, 2017, 08:20:57 pm
Spoiler:
So the message about shivan corvette is appearing no matter what I do? I was thinking it's happening if I get too close to sentry.

Spoiler:
Yes, the corvette appears no matter what.

Quote
Spoiler:
Anyway no matter what I do, mission is always a failure at debriefing stage so I cannot progress any further. Debriefing is about invaluable scans, gathering of shivan ships, and preparations for closure of the Knossos. I don't know if this is intended, but currently I have no idea what else should I scan o__O. I also have no idea what I already scanned.

Spoiler:
Did you read the debriefing recommendation?  You haven't found what you need to change this outcome.

Remember your mission instructions: It's not just about what you scan, but what you target.  Make sure to target all the different types of ship formations you see.  I suspect you didn't target the group of gas miners.
Spoiler:
I mean target. There is not much scanning in this mission.

I gave up actually. I tried targetting everything in this mission. Outcome is always the same, no matter if I just stand idle for 8 minute on time-compression or circle like crazy between shivan fighters and sentries and target everything. I guess something is wrong with failure conditionals... Or maybe it's just me, being retarded :P. Anyway I ended up doing suicide run 5 times on shivan fighters. This mission has potential, but it's totally not intuitive. Targeted ships should be marked somehow. I dunno, maybe via different IFF color?

M01_04 has little issue. In theory, we're authorised to use Maxim in this mission but it's not listed in loadout, so we can't actually use it. M01_05 was a real challenge, and I managed to save Mentu cruiser with 6% intengrity. It was anyway mentioned as destroyed in the debriefing. I liked this mission a lot.

I went for ISF branch and enjoyed this. S1_01 is awesome. Arachnas assault has the same issue as M01_04, but with... Helios torpedoes. I managed to fulfill this mission with Trebuchet and Stiletto spam, but this issue is actually more serious. Sekhmet without torpedoes? It affects balance of this mission, but it's still passable.

I'm currently stuck in the middle of nebula, scanning shivan ships... And I can't see a damn thing, because the nebula around me is almost white and dazzle me. I checked nebula poof files, and they are much darker in any external soft. I guess it's actually a bloom shader issue.

So far I have strong felling that Scroll is really well made and solid project, but it wasn't tested at all. Missions are well balanced, interesting in terms of gameplay, and seems to be ready from a long time, but campaign file was assembled in hurry and it wasn't properly tested on newest builds.
Please, tell me this is not related to this recent apocalypse stuff. While I respect your beliefs no matter what, this situation would be... Actually a little bit ludicrous.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 21, 2017, 09:25:11 pm
Spoiler:
I mean target. There is not much scanning in this mission.

I gave up actually. I tried targetting everything in this mission. Outcome is always the same, no matter if I just stand idle for 8 minute on time-compression or circle like crazy between shivan fighters and sentries and target everything. I guess something is wrong with failure conditionals... Or maybe it's just me, being retarded :P. Anyway I ended up doing suicide run 5 times on shivan fighters. This mission has potential, but it's totally not intuitive. Targeted ships should be marked somehow. I dunno, maybe via different IFF color?

M01_04 has little issue. In theory, we're authorised to use Maxim in this mission but it's not listed in loadout, so we can't actually use it. M01_05 was a real challenge, and I managed to save Mentu cruiser with 6% intengrity. It was anyway mentioned as destroyed in the debriefing. I liked this mission a lot.

I went for ISF branch and enjoyed this. S1_01 is awesome. Arachnas assault has the same issue as M01_04, but with... Helios torpedoes. I managed to fulfill this mission with Trebuchet and Stiletto spam, but this issue is actually more serious. Sekhmet without torpedoes? It affects balance of this mission, but it's still passable.

I'm currently stuck in the middle of nebula, scanning shivan ships... And I can't see a damn thing, because the nebula around me is almost white and dazzle me. I checked nebula poof files, and they are much darker in any external soft. I guess it's actually a bloom shader issue.

So far I have strong felling that Scroll is really well made and solid project, but it wasn't tested at all. Missions are well balanced, interesting in terms of gameplay, and seems to be ready from a long time, but campaign file was assembled in hurry and it wasn't properly tested on newest builds.
Please, tell me this is not related to this recent apocalypse stuff. While I respect your beliefs no matter what, this situation would be... Actually a little bit ludicrous.

Spoiler:
I'm certain it's just you.  I tested m1_03 extensively; in fact I spent almost every spare moment in the entire month of June on it.  I tested all possible mission branches, numerous times.  The only missions where we skimped on testing were m2_01 and m2_02, due to the imminent release.

In m1_03, targeted ships are marked by the little scripting popup that says e.g. "Nandi 1 Recorded".  In order to progress to the next phase, you need to 1) target enough of the cargo containers that Zeta 1 identifies the two formations, 2) target enough gas miners that Zeta 1 comments on them, and 3) scan a SAC 3 after Zeta tells you to.

The reason you don't have the Maxim available in m1_04 is that it's granted upon successful completion of m1_03. :p

Glad you liked m1_05, that was also one of my favorites. :)

Macielos also mentioned the dazzlingly white nebula.  I think this is a SCP issue because he said worked fine in 3.7.4.  It also doesn't appear bright for me, so maybe it has something to do with graphics settings.


If it weren't for the apocalypse stuff, you probably wouldn't even be playing Scroll right now, actually. :)  Deadlines have a way of focusing your efforts.

The disallowed Helios is, in fact, a bug.  I will fix this and upload a new root package.  (EDIT: Done.)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: General Battuta on September 21, 2017, 10:24:50 pm
Okay but what's it about

Vasudans.

That's not a log line
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Thisisaverylongusername on September 21, 2017, 10:54:17 pm
Spoiler:
m1-03
I can't get past the part where you're supposed to create a distraction. I get into the secondary cluster, come within 100 meters of a container with a gas miner docked, but the instant I fire my primaries once, the game says "You fired weapons, stealth broken, you failed." I have even tried to use cheats by destroying every patrol fighter and sentry gun, still no luck. Help?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on September 21, 2017, 11:03:06 pm
Spoiler:
m1-03
I can't get past the part where you're supposed to create a distraction. I get into the secondary cluster, come within 100 meters of a container with a gas miner docked, but the instant I fire my primaries once, the game says "You fired weapons, stealth broken, you failed." I have even tried to use cheats by destroying every patrol fighter and sentry gun, still no luck. Help?

Stuck in the same spot.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 22, 2017, 08:38:39 am
You're right.  I'm seeing the same error myself. :confused:  The mission worked perfectly over extensive testing back in June, so I don't know what could be going wrong.  All I can determine is that the "Distraction Readiness" event isn't working as expected; it isn't detecting that Alpha 1 is in range of the cargo under the proper conditions.

For the time being, I created a modified mission with a "Temporary Hack" event that can be used to bypass it.  Download this (http://scroll.hard-light.net/downloads/sa_m1_03.fs2), then when you are in range of Secundus 03 while Marduk 3 is docked, hit Alt-A.  This will set the proper variables.  Then you can use the "short, controlled bursts" to destroy the container.  If you prefer using a different miner and container, you can modify the "Temporary Hack" event accordingly.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Thisisaverylongusername on September 22, 2017, 08:48:50 am
Thanks, that fixed it for me.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on September 22, 2017, 11:32:08 am
Spoiler:
So I'am on the mission "Accidents will Happen" and have come up to a problem. Beta wing is not able to destroy the Corvette because they have no secondaries apart from a few rockeyes. Even if their load-outs in the briefing weren't locked, I don't have access to cyclops warheads.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 22, 2017, 12:59:20 pm
Spoiler:
So I'am on the mission "Accidents will Happen" and have come up to a problem. Beta wing is not able to destroy the Corvette because they have no secondaries apart from a few rockeyes. Even if their load-outs in the briefing weren't locked, I don't have access to cyclops warheads.

I fixed the Cyclops bug at the same time I fixed the Helios bug, but if you had already started the campaign then you wouldn't have benefited from it.  The attached campaign file fixes the weapon problems and also starts off at the branch point before the GVTA and ISF branches.  (I think I'll also include this campaign file in the next root update; some people may not want to play through the preliminary missions again before choosing the other branch.)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: praseodym on September 22, 2017, 02:30:58 pm
Congrats to this campaign.

However, I am running into a problem using Ubuntu with engine 3.7.4. The mission after pink asteroids show up  ;7 doesn't start:

./fs2_open_3.7.4-compiled -mod ScrollofAtankharzim
Code: [Select]
ERROR: "Unrecognized operator.  In sexpression: ( when     ( and        ( or           ( is-event-true-delay              "Freighter reveal 2"              10           )          ( <              ( distance "Alpha 1" "Molech" )              500           )          ( <              ( distance "Alpha 1" "Ba'al" )              500           )       )       ( is-event-true-delay           "Freighter reveal 2"           5        )    )    ( turret-free-all "Molech" "Ba'al" )     ( jettison-cargo "Molech" )     ( jettison-cargo "Ba'al" )     ( modify-variable [] 4 )     ( modify-variable [] 4 )     ( ship-vulnerable        "asteroid#1"        "asteroid#2"        "asteroid#3"  [...] (Error appears to be: jettison-cargo)" at mission/missionparse.cpp:5778
AL lib: ReleaseALC: 1 device not closed
Which build is recommended?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 22, 2017, 04:42:15 pm
Most of the campaign is playable on 3.7.4, but that mission has a sexp that requires 3.8.

EDIT: That mission is the only mission with a 3.8 sexp, so I'll add some version-specific commenting to make it 3.7.4-compatible.  That'll be in the next update which I'll publish sometime this evening.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Thisisaverylongusername on September 22, 2017, 06:43:27 pm
Mission s1-07 throws an error upon attempting to load.
The error reads:
Code: [Select]
Error: sa_s1_07.fs2(line 4500):
Error: Required token = [#Goals] or [$Formula:], found [$end_multi_text].

File: parselo.cpp
Line: 290
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 22, 2017, 07:02:09 pm
Wow, clearly I was not as careful as I thought I was.

Use the attached mission instead.  I'll include a fix in this evening's update.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on September 22, 2017, 09:54:57 pm
Damn Goober, we're keeping you busy today.  :P
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 22, 2017, 11:18:20 pm
Well, I'd hate to leave behind unfixed bugs. :)

I've updated the root download with a bunch of mission fixes, both the critical ones as well as some tweaks.  Run the FSO Installer or redownload from the first post to get them.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 22, 2017, 11:21:27 pm
Gooby, don't take this offensive but we all survived the apocalypse :P. Pardon me this joke, plz. Time to fix all the bugs, update main files and let Scroll shine.

Spoiler:
I checked mission with nebula and shivan ships on 3.7.4 and it works fine. Nebula poofs files have transparency, and it's probably causing dazzling issue. Will rest of the campaign work on 3.7.4?
.

Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 23, 2017, 12:15:25 am
Gooby, don't take this offensive but we all survived the apocalypse :P. Pardon me this joke, plz.

I took no offense. :)  But I caution you that the time window hasn't expired yet.

Quote
Time to fix all the bugs, update main files and let Scroll shine.

:nod:  I've done so while I still have the opportunity.

Quote
Spoiler:
I checked mission with nebula and shivan ships on 3.7.4 and it works fine. Nebula poofs files have transparency, and it's probably causing dazzling issue. Will rest of the campaign work on 3.7.4?

With the latest update, the entire campaign should now work on 3.7.4.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Thisisaverylongusername on September 23, 2017, 12:47:28 pm
Spoiler:
Mission g1_06 (Arachnophobia) says that I should have EMP Missiles to help escort the Helios warheads. One problem: I don't have any EMP Missiles.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on September 23, 2017, 01:29:47 pm
Darn it, this is what happens when I forget to check HLP for a couple of days. That and forgetting that the project I worked on was coming out. :P Sorry.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on September 23, 2017, 01:34:04 pm
Hey Goober, are there any of those bugs that you want me to handle?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 23, 2017, 03:59:44 pm
Spoiler:
Mission g1_06 (Arachnophobia) says that I should have EMP Missiles to help escort the Helios warheads. One problem: I don't have any EMP Missiles.

Darn it, I thought I caught all of those when I fixed the Cyclops and Helios issues.  Bug squashed, and this time I checked to verify that no other weapons have this problem.

New version uploaded, and the Installer will download it next time you run it.  If you don't want to replay g1_01 through g1_05, download the attached campaign.  It'll prompt you for the GVTA branch and the ISF branch, again, but the GVTA branch will start at g1_06.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 23, 2017, 04:00:48 pm
Hey Goober, are there any of those bugs that you want me to handle?

All of the bugs mentioned in this thread have been fixed, but I'll PM you.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CapellaGoBoom on September 23, 2017, 05:25:05 pm
Bug found in "Irkalla Passes"

When the shivans are dead, the mission refuses to end. The AWACS and cruiser go through the node, but the 2 vettes sit close to it and never move. Help?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 23, 2017, 06:39:41 pm
That shouldn't happen.  I'll take a look.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Vidmaster on September 24, 2017, 12:24:09 pm
Congrats on the release :-)

Please take no offense but I will wait a few weeks till the bugs are all gone.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on September 24, 2017, 01:52:37 pm
Spoiler:
In playing "Thor's hammer" I successfully defended all 5 Mjolnirs however the shivan Corvette still manged to get away with 23%.
Kind of sucks to fail the secondly objective through RNG and no fault of my own.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on September 24, 2017, 03:19:21 pm
Spoiler:
Mission Arachnophobia may need adjustments. Even if you EMP the cruisers and sentry guns, the station's flak guns still has enough time to shoot down all 6 bombs. I only manged to destroy the Beam cannon once out of 8 try's and unfortunately I died soon after. Very frustrating. :banghead:
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Thisisaverylongusername on September 24, 2017, 04:29:50 pm
Well, I finished it. Overall, a fun campaign with quite a few interesting missions, with the only exception being the final mission and ending. I feel like this campaign would have benefited from having a campaign map similar to what Axem used for Just Another Day, which would allow you to replay either branch without needing a separate campaign file. Still, I would definitely recommend playing it.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on September 24, 2017, 07:59:52 pm
Well, I finished it. Overall, a fun campaign with quite a few interesting missions, with the only exception being the final mission and ending. I feel like this campaign would have benefited from having a campaign map similar to what Axem used for Just Another Day, which would allow you to replay either branch without needing a separate campaign file. Still, I would definitely recommend playing it.

Hey, glad you liked it! Like any campaign, we have some polishing up to do, but it's good to know that on the whole the team did a satisfactory job. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 26, 2017, 12:35:32 am
When the shivans are dead, the mission refuses to end. The AWACS and cruiser go through the node, but the 2 vettes sit close to it and never move. Help?

Did you by any chance lose the Pallas in the nebula mission?  I found and fixed a bug that only happens if the Pallas didn't survive.


Spoiler:
In playing "Thor's hammer" I successfully defended all 5 Mjolnirs however the shivan Corvette still manged to get away with 23%.
Kind of sucks to fail the secondly objective through RNG and no fault of my own.

Earlier in the project's history you could pretty safely get this objective, but whether due to SCP changes or mission changes this seems to have changed.  I've loosened the arrival conditions and increased the range of the Mjolnir guns.  You can also try disabling the corvette.


Spoiler:
Mission Arachnophobia may need adjustments. Even if you EMP the cruisers and sentry guns, the station's flak guns still has enough time to shoot down all 6 bombs. I only manged to destroy the Beam cannon once out of 8 try's and unfortunately I died soon after. Very frustrating. :banghead:

Hmph.  The bombers are supposed to destroy all the flak guns with their Trebuchets.  I'll just turret-lock those particular turrets.


Well, I finished it. Overall, a fun campaign with quite a few interesting missions, with the only exception being the final mission and ending.

Thanks!  Part II is planned to be even more epic.

Out of curiosity, can you elaborate on why you think the final mission and ending was an exception?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Thisisaverylongusername on September 26, 2017, 06:53:34 am
The final mission felt like a BOE with little for the player to do, and the ending was just a three paragraph debriefing. I felt like there could have been more done with both.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 26, 2017, 10:31:03 am
The final mission felt like a BOE with little for the player to do, and the ending was just a three paragraph debriefing. I felt like there could have been more done with both.

The player needs to defend the allied warships; if he doesn't, they won't be able to win the mission.  That's where the player can make a difference.  But the mission was otherwise designed as a massive fleet engagement, so I can see where the BoE feeling comes from.

The last mission isn't actually the end, only the end of Part I.  There is an interlude of a few years before Part II starts.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 26, 2017, 10:53:51 pm
So far it's an awesome campaign.  I ran into a minor technical problem though with "Arachnicide"...there is no voice acting for the main part of that script.  I can hear generic comments like "check your aft sensors" and "enemy wing arriving", but the plot text is silent during the mission and in the briefing/debriefing.

I had the same problem in the following mission.  No audio during the briefing or mission. 

When I tried to use a debug build to get a log it wouldn't let me start "Irkalla Passes".  I was able to get to the briefing screen but then I got this:

Warning: Couldn't find event name "Pallas survived" in mission sa_s1_07.fs2.
Returning false for event_status function.
File: sexp.cpp
Line: 13771

ntdll.dll! ZwWaitForSingleObject + 10 bytes
KERNELBASE.dll! WaitForSingleObjectEx + 156 bytes
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_8_0_x64_SSE2-FASTDBG.exe! <no symbol>
kernel32.dll! BaseThreadInitThunk + 13 bytes
ntdll.dll! RtlUserThreadStart + 33 bytes


I made no changes between "Arachniphobia" and "Arachnicide" so I can't think of a technical reason why there would be VA in "Arachniphobia" but not in "Arachnicide" and onward.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 26, 2017, 11:14:06 pm
So far it's an awesome campaign.  I ran into a minor technical problem though with "Arachnicide"...there is no voice acting for the main part of that script.

Thanks. :)

Voice hasn't been generated yet for "Arachnicide", "Irkalla Passes", or "The Tablet of Destinies".  See the first post: "lacking ... synthesized voice in three missions".  I'm waiting for Sesquipedalian to do that.

Quote
When I tried to use a debug build to get a log it wouldn't let me start "Irkalla Passes".  I was able to get to the briefing screen but then I got this:

Warning: Couldn't find event name "Pallas survived" in mission sa_s1_07.fs2.
Returning false for event_status function.
File: sexp.cpp
Line: 13771

You should still be able to ignore that error and continue the mission.  This is a side-effect of the branching campaign structure; "Irkalla Passes" is where the GVTA and ISF branches merge again.  This happens because, since you came from the GVTA branch, sa_s1_07.fs2 isn't in the list of played missions.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 27, 2017, 01:28:49 am
I've run into a technical error on "Irkalla Passes".

I got most of the mission complete.  The Irkalla and that Bryn corvette exited.  Then most of the ISF force exited.  However, when it was time for the Himoltep and Halifax to exit, I think they both wanted to go to the same exit point in the node.  Those two ships literally ran into each other and then instead of jumping out, they both just stopped and were sitting there in the node.  So I couldn't complete the mission officially.  I tried jumping out and I got the "we have no recommendations for you" line at the debriefing but when I tried to advance it said I failed the mission and couldn't advance.
I was playing FSO 3.8.0 and I played the GTVA campaign.


Another issue in that mission (though this one is relatively minor):  the Taurvi bombers shot Cyclops warheads.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: woutersmits on September 27, 2017, 10:53:56 am
I didvworked on 3 missions done tested the full campaign but im still bussy with screenies goober5000 sorry that it toom too long il sand you 3 screens from first e misdions first gonight
While im downloading forza motosport 7
I will hurry up from now on
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 27, 2017, 12:05:56 pm
I've run into a technical error on "Irkalla Passes".

I got most of the mission complete.  The Irkalla and that Bryn corvette exited.  Then most of the ISF force exited.  However, when it was time for the Himoltep and Halifax to exit, I think they both wanted to go to the same exit point in the node.  Those two ships literally ran into each other and then instead of jumping out, they both just stopped and were sitting there in the node.  So I couldn't complete the mission officially.  I tried jumping out and I got the "we have no recommendations for you" line at the debriefing but when I tried to advance it said I failed the mission and couldn't advance.
I was playing FSO 3.8.0 and I played the GTVA campaign.

Another issue in that mission (though this one is relatively minor):  the Taurvi bombers shot Cyclops warheads.

I'll spend some time today working on those.  I've already fixed the Cyclops problem.


I didvworked on 3 missions done tested the full campaign but im still bussy with screenies goober5000 sorry that it toom too long il sand you 3 screens from first e misdions first gonight
While im downloading forza motosport 7
I will hurry up from now on

Thanks!  I look forward to it. :):yes:
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PIe on September 27, 2017, 08:40:30 pm
I seem to have found a bug.
Spoiler:
In the first mission of the ISF branch, the Draug will not die and the mission will not end.  Damage stalls at 10%, I suspect because neither Beta nor Gamma have the required weapons to kill it.
On the flip side,
Spoiler:
Crashing the Party was the most fun I've had playing FS2 in quite some time.  The Shivan fighters are numerous enough and aggressive enough to make them a threat, but aren't ridiculously overpowering, and dogfighting among the dueling capships only makes the mission more frantic.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 27, 2017, 08:48:38 pm
I seem to have found a bug.
Spoiler:
In the first mission of the ISF branch, the Draug will not die and the mission will not end.  Damage stalls at 10%, I suspect because neither Beta nor Gamma have the required weapons to kill it.

That's the Cyclops bug, which I've already fixed.  Run FSOInstaller or redownload scroll-root, and then switch to the "Scroll Part I at Branch Point" campaign to resume your progress.

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On the flip side,
Spoiler:
Crashing the Party was the most fun I've had playing FS2 in quite some time.  The Shivan fighters are numerous enough and aggressive enough to make them a threat, but aren't ridiculously overpowering, and dogfighting among the dueling capships only makes the mission more frantic.

Awesome. :)  I had fun making that mission.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 28, 2017, 02:11:14 pm
I've run into a technical error on "Irkalla Passes".

I got most of the mission complete.  The Irkalla and that Bryn corvette exited.  Then most of the ISF force exited.  However, when it was time for the Himoltep and Halifax to exit, I think they both wanted to go to the same exit point in the node.  Those two ships literally ran into each other and then instead of jumping out, they both just stopped and were sitting there in the node.  So I couldn't complete the mission officially.  I tried jumping out and I got the "we have no recommendations for you" line at the debriefing but when I tried to advance it said I failed the mission and couldn't advance.
I was playing FSO 3.8.0 and I played the GTVA campaign.

Another issue in that mission (though this one is relatively minor):  the Taurvi bombers shot Cyclops warheads.

I'll spend some time today working on those.  I've already fixed the Cyclops problem.


Will this be a fix I have to go back to the branch point to apply?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 28, 2017, 08:07:26 pm
These particular fixes don't affect the campaign file, so they don't require you to go back to the branch point.  They're almost done; I'll post an update later this evening.

I have to retract what I said about the Cyclops; turns out it isn't sufficient to use the Shivan bomb model, and they would all need changing to the Shivan Bomb table entry or something.  That will require a bit more work.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 29, 2017, 05:16:24 pm
Okay, scroll-root has been updated.  This latest version includes several fixes and quite a lot of polishing for the s1_07, m2_01, and m2_02 missions.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 29, 2017, 10:42:25 pm
I've downloaded the recent update.

However, I ran into a problem with "Accidents Will Happen."  The allied bombers don't have Cyclops torpedoesbombs in their loadout and I can't change loadout (it's locked and they are locked with one bank of Piranhas and two banks of Rockeyes).  So that corvette can't be destroyed.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 29, 2017, 11:26:20 pm
I've downloaded the recent update.

However, I ran into a problem with "Accidents Will Happen."  The allied bombers don't have Cyclops torpedoesbombs in their loadout and I can't change loadout (it's locked and they are locked with one bank of Piranhas and two banks of Rockeyes).  So that corvette can't be destroyed.

That's the Cyclops bug that was mentioned earlier in this thread.  You need to make sure you have started or reset your campaign subsequent to downloading the update.  You can use the "Scroll Part I at Branch Point" campaign instead of starting way back at the beginning, if you want.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 30, 2017, 12:49:57 am
I've downloaded the recent update.

However, I ran into a problem with "Accidents Will Happen."  The allied bombers don't have Cyclops torpedoesbombs in their loadout and I can't change loadout (it's locked and they are locked with one bank of Piranhas and two banks of Rockeyes).  So that corvette can't be destroyed.

That's the Cyclops bug that was mentioned earlier in this thread.  You need to make sure you have started or reset your campaign subsequent to downloading the update.  You can use the "Scroll Part I at Branch Point" campaign instead of starting way back at the beginning, if you want.


I tried both after downloading the update (using that branch point campaign you made, and deleting my player profile and starting over) and I was in the same boat with both:
Beta Sekhmet bombers didn't have Cyclops in their banks and I wasn't able to change their banks).


Some good news for what it's worth:  your fix did fix the issue of Taurvis firing Cyclops (though when the Shivan bomb is targeted it says Cyclops, but at least it looks like a Shivan bomb now).
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 30, 2017, 10:48:30 am
I tried both after downloading the update (using that branch point campaign you made, and deleting my player profile and starting over) and I was in the same boat with both:
Beta Sekhmet bombers didn't have Cyclops in their banks and I wasn't able to change their banks).

If you're using a fixed campaign file and a new pilot, that shouldn't happen.  I just checked that the latest download contains the fixes.  Make sure you don't have any stray campaign files, and try playing a different mission in case it cached the wrong loadout.

Also, post your fs2_open.log.  And maybe your campaign file too, in case for some reason the Installer didn't pick up the update.

EDIT: Hmm, I just tested it myself.  It shouldn't be happening, but it is.  Currently investigating.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 30, 2017, 01:32:03 pm
Okay, that was an error with the mission file itself, not the campaign.  Curious why the bug only showed up now.  Anyway, it's fixed.  Download an update and restart the mission.  You shouldn't need to restart the campaign.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 30, 2017, 02:42:53 pm
I downloaded the update and then started the mission again, but same problem unfortunately.  Beta's Sekhmets were locked in the weapons selection screen (Beta just had Piranhas and Rockeyes).

Here's a log.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 30, 2017, 03:31:19 pm
I tested the new mission on a different computer and it works for me.  Try creating a new pilot, or playing a different mission with the same pilot before coming back to this one.

Make sure you don't have any loose sa_s1_01.fs2 files floating around anywhere.  In fact, extract the one you have and attach it here so I can take a look.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on September 30, 2017, 07:29:38 pm
How/where would I extract that particular file?


(BTW, some good news though:  creating a new pilot and playing it through the techroom worked.  It also worked to play it through your special 'branch' campaign link you posted).
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on September 30, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
It's in scroll.vp.  But I suspect switching to a new campaign cleared the cache and allowed the loadout to be regenerated properly.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 09, 2017, 06:06:46 pm
The first post has been rewritten into a proper release-style post. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: TopAce on October 18, 2017, 02:19:54 pm
That's too bad there is no more interest in one of the oldest project in HLP's history. That's it? Four pages of posts?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 18, 2017, 02:27:32 pm
I'm surprised as well. :sigh:

We do know a lot of people play the mods; FSMods regularly gets 3 TB of traffic per month.  But it appears that those who download and play are not necessarily those who post on the forum.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Gloriano on October 18, 2017, 02:50:08 pm
Trying to find some time to play this, been waiting for this a long time Grats on release!
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 18, 2017, 03:03:01 pm
Thanks!  Looking forward to your comments. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: General Battuta on October 18, 2017, 10:01:44 pm
I'm surprised as well. :sigh:

We do know a lot of people play the mods; FSMods regularly gets 3 TB of traffic per month.  But it appears that those who download and play are not necessarily those who post on the forum.

What's it about, like what is the poster slogan, the log line, beyond 'Vasudans'
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 18, 2017, 10:59:24 pm
What's it about, like what is the poster slogan, the log line, beyond 'Vasudans'

Yeah, sorry for that earlier explanation, it was rather flippant.

It is a tale of the rise and fall of a group of Vasudans, who came to be called by the term Atankharz'ythi, which means wanderers.  It is a tale of hubris and humility, of the search for meaning and purpose, and ultimately of the search for a force of good that can overcome the force of evil that is the Shivans.

Scroll is also one of the few campaigns that features a branching storyline.  Both Part I and Part II feature sections where the same period of time is chronicled from two different perspectives.

And we also wanted to make a bunch of really fun missions in the mode of classic campaigns like Derelict and Inferno.  The Scroll modpack borrows quite a few ships from the latter.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on October 18, 2017, 11:49:31 pm
One thing I forgot to say earlier, I loved that new heavy Vasudan fighter you had in the campaign.  The Reshef (sp?) was really fun to fly (it was described in the campaign as a Vasudan Erinyes).

Can we fly that in Scroll II? :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 19, 2017, 12:06:52 am
I think that's a safe assumption. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on October 19, 2017, 12:25:24 am
I know it's not going to be the main focus of the campaign since this is a Vasudan campaign, but are we going to see new Terran fighters in Scroll II (since we've seen a new Terran cruiser and the Warlock in Scroll)?  IIRC, Scroll took place a decade after Capella and I think you said somewhere Scroll II will take place a couple years later.


Concerning Vasudan ships though, I liked that new corvette (that could hold 32 craft) and it was great seeing the Tanen in action again (I haven't seen it since Inferno).
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 19, 2017, 01:37:41 am
We included a bunch of new Terran fighters in the modpack, but we didn't really have an opportunity to feature them.  But they will definitely make an appearance in Part II, along with several additional ships.

Glad you liked the Udjat and the Tanen.  Check out the tech room as well; there are a number of ships that never actually showed up in the campaign.

On a related note, I was particularly excited to see TrashMan's WIP (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=88814.msg1856563#msg1856563).  The Orc/Blade will be making an appearance in Part II, as the Terran counterpart to the Vasudan Udjat.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: General Battuta on October 19, 2017, 11:40:50 am
Okay that sounds pretty cool
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on October 24, 2017, 12:24:33 am
This continues my discussion on the Lucifer from the Deneb III thread:


In the final level,
Spoiler:
could you explain why the destroying the Lucifer's reactors only brought down the shield and didn't destroy the ship?  In FS1, destroying the reactors brought down the ship.  Could you please explain your reasoning for how you handled the Lucifer at the end of the game here?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the campaign overall but this plot aspect slightly confused me.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 24, 2017, 03:33:10 am
Yes, this led to an extended discussion in the Scroll internal. 

Spoiler:
I pointed out that the common understanding was that destroying all five reactors causes the ship to explode, and that this was the understanding used in Awakenings, Derelict, and my own campaign Fortunes of War.  Sesquipedalian's contention was that destroying the reactors merely causes the Lucifer to lose power.  When it is not traveling through subspace, this has the effect of reducing speed and deactivating the shield system, but not causing the ship to explode.  Here is his explanation of what happened at the end of FS1:

Quote
Spoiler:
Without power, the Lucifer's subspace drive could not maintain her in subspace, and so she began to erratically "phase out" into normal space. Even during the early stages when it was still mostly existing in subspace, such chaotic "phasing out" would almost certainly have destructive effects on the ship as different parts of her suddenly found themselves momentarily existing in different types of space than their neighbours; this easily accounts for the many smaller, randomly distributed explosions leading up to the large explosion. As the Lucifer's ability to maintain itself in subspace collapsed entirely, it began to exit into normal space, but could not even complete that before being torn apart and losing the entire rear half that had not yet re-entered normal space by the time the collapse became catastrophic.

Neither of us were persuaded of the other's opinion, but as a result of the discussion, we tweaked the briefing and dialogue for the last mission.  The revised dialogue expresses surprise that the Irkalla didn't start exploding but notes that the shields are now offline.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on October 24, 2017, 04:27:44 am
Since you brought up Derelict:

In Derelict the Lucifer destroyer was stuck in subspace (it still had its reactors) and when it came out of subspace it didn't have its shields.  Also, it wasn't destroyed by having its reactors destroyed, a Helios-stuffed Deimos rammed it. (I think by this point most know how Derelict ends but if you want me to spoiler this part I will)

Bringing it somewhat back to Scroll: 
Spoiler:
Since Derelict didn't have shielded Lucifers, basically we don't have enough canon information on all Lucifers and its up to the campaign creator to decide whether future Lucifers would have shields or not?  Derelict chose one way and Scroll chose another.

That's an interesting opinion he had on the FS1 Lucifer.  Like you, I'm not sure I agree with it, but he's at least made a good effort to justify his position.

I hope I haven't sidetracked things by bringing in Derelict comparisons.  I'll have a specific Scroll post later. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 24, 2017, 02:31:15 pm
I stand corrected.  You're right, in Derelict they just outright destroyed the thing.

Campaign creators can do whatever they want.  Derelict chose to not have shields on the Nyarlathotep, and it worked for their story purposes.

Derelict comparisons are fine.  Scroll took a lot of inspiration from Derelict. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on October 24, 2017, 07:35:10 pm
Back to Scroll:

1-I liked a new character you brought in.  That new
Spoiler:
Vasudan commander in charge of the ISF branch expedition was interesting and cool.  One of the descriptions of him was something like "He usually goes his own way, but he's usually right."  That was interesting because usually Terrans are the ones portrayed as individualistic and somewhat chaotic and it was somewhat new to see a GTVA Vasudan shown that way.  Most campaigns that I've seen show GTVA Vasudans as leaning more collectivist and less expressive.  Even though I preferred the 'regular' GTVA branch over the ISF mission branch style, I really liked this character.  Hopefully he at least makes an appearance in Scroll II.
Was this character your idea Goober? 

2-Since you said you used a number of Inferno mods and we may see new Terran ships in Scroll II,
Spoiler:
any chance we could see the semi-infamous superfighter Keres in Scroll II?  Vasudans have let Terrans use their fighters so Terrans could return the favor and let them try this.  I say infamous because some say it's too OP. :D
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 24, 2017, 09:09:39 pm
1. Glad you liked Admiral Amethet.  He is a creation of Sesquipedalian; I didn't have much to do with his description or characterization.

2. We don't have plans to introduce the Keres in Part II, and the ship set is mostly finalized.  Though I can take another look at it.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on October 24, 2017, 09:21:00 pm

2. We don't have plans to introduce the Keres in Part II, and the ship set is mostly finalized.  Though I can take another look at it.

Thanks.  I'd appreciate it.  I only know of one campaign (Ghost Revenants) where you can fly the Keres and it'd be cool to have another one.


In any case, I'm really looking forward to Scroll Part 2 down the road.  You and that other guy did a great job on Part 1; by the way, how do you pronounce his name?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 24, 2017, 09:28:49 pm
Sesquipedalian?  It's in the dictionary (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/sesquipedalian).

Sesquipedalian hasn't been active much this year though.  And we had a lot of contributions from other members too: Yarn, Xenocartographer, PVD_Hope, macielos, and FreeSpaceFreak just this year alone.  TopAce, MjnMixael, Galemp, and Admiral Nelson did a lot of work in previous years as well.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Gloriano on October 26, 2017, 03:33:48 am
Soo had a chance to play this and so far really enjoyed myself, so good job. I think the story itself is quite interesting and hope to see the next one soon and not after 15 years  ;)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on October 26, 2017, 09:25:49 pm
Soo had a chance to play this and so far really enjoyed myself, so good job. I think the story itself is quite interesting and hope to see the next one soon and not after 15 years  ;)

Glad to hear that. :)  And yes, we plan to release Part II sooner than that. ;)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: SF-Junky on November 01, 2017, 02:53:51 pm
Just FYI, the dl links in the op are broken. Those on the homepage work, though. Lookin' forward to play this. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 01, 2017, 09:30:03 pm
Thanks, I forgot to fix those before.  They're fixed now.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: mjn.mixael on November 06, 2017, 09:25:57 pm
Put it on Knossos and I'll play it. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 06, 2017, 09:28:24 pm
Ooh. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CT27 on November 06, 2017, 09:45:10 pm
I forgot to say something else about the plot I liked:

The initial debate on whether or not the
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Terran Gateway project should give spare parts to the Vasudan exploration of this new system was interesting to follow.

Although I could understand why the
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Vasudans would want to do this new project perhaps, I could also understand the Terran reluctance as well.  I mean, if you only have enough parts right now for one project...I could see why they would want to go back to Sol.  Behind one door there is something they've been wanting for 30 some years that they 'know' is there.  On the other hand, behind door #2 is a mystery...so why would they want to go with this other project before Sol is restored?  If I was a Vasudan I might understand why they'd be reluctant to support the new project.

You guys came up with a good compromise to the debate though. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on November 07, 2017, 08:21:43 am
I forgot to post some more detailed feedback :P.

What I dislike:
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- I'm lacking some small plot details between missions. Something more about those systems we explore?
- New ships are a little bit too rare.
- Nebulae. I just don't like this particular style. Looks chaotic, noisy and a little bit like ketchup. Don't you guys prefer something fancy and more detailed (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=93560.0) :P?

What I like:
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- Overall storyline. Mysterious, deep and mystic. Numerous plottwists. Exploring dark, unknown space mood... And I'm really interested what lies further, in unknown space beyond Fornacis.
- Cool new music! Especially main menu is just... Woah!
- Knossos-centered missions are gorgeous. I went for ISF in the branch, and those missions are are also outstanding.
- Like CT27, I like character creation of Admiral Amethet.
- Commanding officer of Narendum is also worth mentioning. He gives me this strange feeling that he's doing something in secrecy, and will surprise us somehow in Act II.
- Voice acting is done in unique way.
- I feel vasudan! Scroll would benefit on dedicated vasudan interface and hud.
- Udjat is the best looking 670-poly model I've ever seen.

Summary: Scroll is solid and worth playing. Campaign has some features which makes it unique. Despite initial proplems with bugs, I enjoyed my playthrough and I will do it again with second branch. Scroll would benefit on some new assets. It's been almost 20 years since Capella, so more new ships and weapons would be welcome.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Asteroth on November 08, 2017, 02:13:37 am
In the fifth mission, I got the "harthenet died" spiel despite it surviving at 4% health, it even gave its "dont let my sacrifice be in vain!" so I'll bet they were unhappy I didn't give them the chance to heroically die. I also didn't get the maxim in the previous mission, but that may have been due to me skipping the mission before it, and mightve missed an allow-weapon maxim.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 09, 2017, 02:52:45 am
I forgot to say something else about the plot I liked:

The initial debate on whether or not the
Spoiler:
Terran Gateway project should give spare parts to the Vasudan exploration of this new system was interesting to follow.

Although I could understand why the
Spoiler:
Vasudans would want to do this new project perhaps, I could also understand the Terran reluctance as well.  I mean, if you only have enough parts right now for one project...I could see why they would want to go back to Sol.  Behind one door there is something they've been wanting for 30 some years that they 'know' is there.  On the other hand, behind door #2 is a mystery...so why would they want to go with this other project before Sol is restored?  If I was a Vasudan I might understand why they'd be reluctant to support the new project.

You guys came up with a good compromise to the debate though. :)

Thanks. :)  You might be interested to know that that entire subplot arose from a plot hole I identified...

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It stretches credibility to think that the Vasudans could repair the Knossos in just a short time.  The best-case scenario would be for them to quickly replace the broken parts with spare parts from somewhere else.  Then I thought that those spare parts might be readily available if another subspace portal was under construction.  And we know from FS2 that the Terrans are strongly in favor of building one to return to Earth.  It made for some good conflict that tied into the whole simmering-beneath-the-surface tension of the different priorities for the Terrans and Vasudans after Capella.


I forgot to post some more detailed feedback :P.

What I dislike:
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- I'm lacking some small plot details between missions. Something more about those systems we explore?
- New ships are a little bit too rare.
- Nebulae. I just don't like this particular style. Looks chaotic, noisy and a little bit like ketchup. Don't you guys prefer something fancy and more detailed (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=93560.0) :P?

1) Good point.  This part of the campaign is more focused on pushing out the Shivans than doing much exploration.  But we should feature this more in Part II.
2) I suppose this is reasonable.  We didn't have a chance to feature too many of the Terran ships, after all.  On the other hand, this is only eleven years (not 20) after Capella, and there is an economic depression; new ships aren't too common yet. :p
3) Wow, those look excellent!  Perhaps we should ask you to join our team! :drevil:

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What I like:
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- Overall storyline. Mysterious, deep and mystic. Numerous plottwists. Exploring dark, unknown space mood... And I'm really interested what lies further, in unknown space beyond Fornacis.
- Cool new music! Especially main menu is just... Woah!
- Knossos-centered missions are gorgeous. I went for ISF in the branch, and those missions are are also outstanding.
- Like CT27, I like character creation of Admiral Amethet.
- Commanding officer of Narendum is also worth mentioning. He gives me this strange feeling that he's doing something in secrecy, and will surprise us somehow in Act II.
- Voice acting is done in unique way.
- I feel vasudan! Scroll would benefit on dedicated vasudan interface and hud.
- Udjat is the best looking 670-poly model I've ever seen.

Summary: Scroll is solid and worth playing. Campaign has some features which makes it unique. Despite initial proplems with bugs, I enjoyed my playthrough and I will do it again with second branch. Scroll would benefit on some new assets. It's been almost 20 years since Capella, so more new ships and weapons would be welcome.

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1) Very glad to hear that. :D  And yes, you will find out more about what lies beyond Fornacis.  In fact, it is one of the most interesting ideas in any campaign that I've played.
2) Sesquipedalian picked out a lot of the music, so he will be happy to hear that. :)
3) Excellent.  Looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the other missions too. :D

5) Interesting that you had that idea.  Dr. Raphah will continue to play an important role in Part II.
6) Sesquipedalian came up with that too.  It definitely added to the campaign.
7) We really tried to think of many FS2 elements using Vasudan perspectives.  Glad it worked!  We did consider using a Vasudan HUD, but I felt strongly that the one suggested was too distracting, so we kept the standard HUD.
8) Glad low-poly models can still look cool. :D


In the fifth mission, I got the "harthenet died" spiel despite it surviving at 4% health, it even gave its "dont let my sacrifice be in vain!" so I'll bet they were unhappy I didn't give them the chance to heroically die. I also didn't get the maxim in the previous mission, but that may have been due to me skipping the mission before it, and mightve missed an allow-weapon maxim.

Heh.  I was never able to save the Harthenet myself, and you're not actually supposed to defend it if you're following orders.  Someone else earlier in the thread saved it as well.  What ship were you flying, and what strategy did you use?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Nyctaeus on November 09, 2017, 09:18:01 am
3) Wow, those look excellent!  Perhaps we should ask you to join our team! :drevil:
Exile is done so... What must I sign :P ? Perhaps I may add few polys to Udjat too.

In the fifth mission, I got the "harthenet died" spiel despite it surviving at 4% health, it even gave its "dont let my sacrifice be in vain!" so I'll bet they were unhappy I didn't give them the chance to heroically die. I also didn't get the maxim in the previous mission, but that may have been due to me skipping the mission before it, and mightve missed an allow-weapon maxim.

Heh.  I was never able to save the Harthenet myself, and you're not actually supposed to defend it if you're following orders.  Someone else earlier in the thread saved it as well.  What ship were you flying, and what strategy did you use?
I managed to save it too, with 8% integrity. Saladin had 4% :P. I forgot to mention it, but yeah it's possible and despite that, it's always mentioned as destroyed in debriefing. I'm calling that Nebtuu-syndrome. If I remember correctly, I used Tauret.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Asteroth on November 09, 2017, 03:15:14 pm
In the fifth mission, I got the "harthenet died" spiel despite it surviving at 4% health, it even gave its "dont let my sacrifice be in vain!" so I'll bet they were unhappy I didn't give them the chance to heroically die. I also didn't get the maxim in the previous mission, but that may have been due to me skipping the mission before it, and mightve missed an allow-weapon maxim.

Heh.  I was never able to save the Harthenet myself, and you're not actually supposed to defend it if you're following orders.  Someone else earlier in the thread saved it as well.  What ship were you flying, and what strategy did you use?

Just a tauret with double mekhus and harpoons. I immediately burned to the wing of taurvis, took out their bombs and messed them up enough that the narandum was safe-ish and then burned straight for the Moloch and took out its lower beams with the mekhus and harpoons. A real easy way to avoid this would probably be to redirect some wings to finish off the harthenet if its still there, or even send a special wing that only comes if it survives. The Moloch left it at 4% and it stayed that way for the rest of the mission and the whole time I was deathly afraid it would be taken out by a sneeze from a passing bomber in all the chaos, but it seems like no one targeted it because they didnt even expect it to be there.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 10, 2017, 06:23:33 pm
3) Wow, those look excellent!  Perhaps we should ask you to join our team! :drevil:
Exile is done so... What must I sign :P ? Perhaps I may add few polys to Udjat too.

:D  I've added you to the Scroll member group. :)  I've also sent you an invitation to our SVN system.

I managed to save it too, with 8% integrity. Saladin had 4% :P. I forgot to mention it, but yeah it's possible and despite that, it's always mentioned as destroyed in debriefing. I'm calling that Nebtuu-syndrome. If I remember correctly, I used Tauret.

Nebtuu syndrome is right.  I will add an event to self-destruct the Harthenet if the Ranoth is de-beamed or destroyed.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 10, 2017, 08:36:04 pm
All right, Scroll has been updated with voice-acting for g1_07, m2_01, and m2_02. :cool:
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: mjn.mixael on November 11, 2017, 12:47:56 am
Wow mission 2 is suuuuuper finicky. A single laser shot off in the distance? fail. Fly too close? fail. There's not even a directive that says to keep your distance!

Basically the mission opens with 2 minutes of sitting a listening to dialog.. that's not fun. Let me fly around the asteroid field and shoot rocks while I wait. Fail the mission if I shoot AT the Hercs. And if you really don't want me to get too close, then start me waaaay further back so I have no chance of getting too close before all the dialog ends.

Sorry. Didn't mean for my first post about Scroll to be nitpicky.. but after having to restart like 4 times because of Cold, Hard, Reasons.. I was frustrated.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 11, 2017, 01:48:02 am
Wow mission 2 is suuuuuper finicky. A single laser shot off in the distance? fail. Fly too close? fail. There's not even a directive that says to keep your distance!

Basically the mission opens with 2 minutes of sitting a listening to dialog.. that's not fun. Let me fly around the asteroid field and shoot rocks while I wait. Fail the mission if I shoot AT the Hercs. And if you really don't want me to get too close, then start me waaaay further back so I have no chance of getting too close before all the dialog ends.

Sorry. Didn't mean for my first post about Scroll to be nitpicky.. but after having to restart like 4 times because of Cold, Hard, Reasons.. I was frustrated.

I guess I deserve that since my first post about BtA: Mefistofele was highly frustrated and nitpicky... :nervous:

The idea was to emphasize self-control and discretion, since this is a peacekeeping mission, not an all-out assault against Shivans.  I didn't think the NTB would think too well of a trigger-happy Vasudan just itching to shoot at something. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 11, 2017, 12:17:21 pm
Sorry Goober, I've been leaving you to handle questions and stuff...
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 11, 2017, 02:39:06 pm
No worries.  Answering questions is a welcome break from fixing the forums and the other stuff I've been doing. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 11, 2017, 07:15:46 pm
Once we reach Christmas break (unless I have to have surgery which is a possibility) give me stuff to do and I'll get some work done.  :nod:
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 12, 2017, 02:04:39 am
:nod:
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: azile0 on November 23, 2017, 05:38:15 pm
I want to mirror a complaint from the first page about Mission 3.

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I failed the mission three times in a row, not having any idea what I was doing wrong. "Target Every Ship" is ludicrous because beyond the red popup, there's no way of knowing what's been scanned or not. I ended up just holding down H while flying around, still getting a failure. I thought there was something I had to do, so on my fourth try I attempted to blow up the volatile gas containers to distract the corvette, and failed (which is funny because that ended up being the solution). On the fifth run I tried engaging the fighters to lure away the corvette and failed. On the sixth I started searching far outside of the depot, thinking I was missing something because I was positive that I had scanned everything (apparently not!) and failed. I have literally never heard Zeta 1 comment on the gas miners, and now I know it's because I must have been 3001 meters away from one of them when I was holding down H.

Either way, that mission made me pull my hair out and nearly made me abandon what is otherwise an incredibly fun and well made campaign.

Edit:

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So after reading through the thread, I got further in the mission than ever before! Then this happened! I realize it was because I started shooting a half second before I was "supposed" to, but come on.

Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 25, 2017, 01:58:21 am
I want to mirror a complaint from the first page about Mission 3.

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I failed the mission three times in a row, not having any idea what I was doing wrong. "Target Every Ship" is ludicrous because beyond the red popup, there's no way of knowing what's been scanned or not. I ended up just holding down H while flying around, still getting a failure.

The thing is, are you flying around randomly, or purposefully?  If you patrol the cargo depot systematically you should get a general idea of where you've been and where you are supposed to go next.

I'll see about adding some sort of additional marker that will tell you which ships have been scanned and which haven't.

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So after reading through the thread, I got further in the mission than ever before! Then this happened! I realize it was because I started shooting a half second before I was "supposed" to, but come on.

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This isn't a case where you started shooting a half-second too early.  You are shooting a cargo container that is not involved in a transfer operation.  Notice the cargo display: "100% transferred" and not docked to anything.  You are supposed to find a cargo container where the transfer is in progress.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: azile0 on November 26, 2017, 12:54:15 am
I see; I'm past the mission now, and I'm sorry if my message was grumpy. Now i'm running into technical issues.

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I don't know why, but my nebulas are totally broken. As others have mentioned, they're dazzlingly bright and I can't see ships until I'm literally on top of them. This made the ship scanning difficult, as I had to rely entirely on targeting display and 3D radar to navigate. Now I'm totally stuck on the mission where you need to TAG and disable multiple ships because I am too blind to find them reliably, because sensor range is also cut. How do I fix my nebula files so they're not so obnoxiously bright and opaque?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: TopAce on November 26, 2017, 03:37:33 am
Decrease brightness or turn off background images in options would be my two guesses.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 26, 2017, 03:56:54 pm
Have come across a bug in "Arachnicide". Before your capital ships can engage the installation, all shivan caps defending must be destroyed. I did that, however in the objective window, it reads one target still alive. All friendly ships just sit in place, beams silent.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 26, 2017, 06:20:58 pm
Have come across a bug in "Arachnicide". Before your capital ships can engage the installation, all shivan caps defending must be destroyed. I did that, however in the objective window, it reads one target still alive. All friendly ships just sit in place, beams silent.

Does the bug repeat every time you play the mission? Do you have time to try it again?

Goober, do you want me to try and handle this?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 26, 2017, 06:41:44 pm
Yes, I just played it a third time. Tasked with destroying 6 capships, but only 5 are there. Looking at the briefing, the missing ship is the SC Tvashtri.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 26, 2017, 08:23:52 pm
The SC Tvashtri is present in the mission in FRED. So you say that it's not appearing at all, or just that destroying it doesn't count towards the objective?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 26, 2017, 09:30:51 pm
Not appearing at all. Here is a screenshot from the beginning of the mission.

(https://i.imgur.com/OMYPILE.png)

No SC Tvashtri in the escort list or in sight.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on November 27, 2017, 01:16:48 am
I see; I'm past the mission now, and I'm sorry if my message was grumpy. Now i'm running into technical issues.

It's all good.  Feedback helps.

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I don't know why, but my nebulas are totally broken. As others have mentioned, they're dazzlingly bright and I can't see ships until I'm literally on top of them.

This should not happen.  Please post this either on Mantis or on GitHub so that the SCP can take a look.  I'm not a graphics coder so I don't know what's wrong.

We did find that it works properly in 3.7.4.  Also, using the following command-line, it works on recent 3.8 builds for me:
Code: [Select]
-mod "scroll,mediavps_2014" -nospec -nomotiondebris -nonormal -noheight -nolightshafts -no_deferred

Goober, do you want me to try and handle this?

Yes, please.

Also, everyone should specify whether they downloaded the mod from the thread, from the FSO Installer, or from Knossos; and also when they last updated their files.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 27, 2017, 08:04:52 am
I'm gonna get to your problem CKid, I've just got classes and other errands today, so it might take me a bit.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 27, 2017, 10:31:08 am
It's cool. I'm in no rush and can replay the ISF branch in the mean time. As for what Goober was asking: FSO installer, last updated around 3-4 weeks ago.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 27, 2017, 08:00:54 pm
So the Tvashtri was present on the previous mission, Arachnophobia? Was it destroyed?

Incidentally it doesn't seem that there are any conditions for the Shivan capships' presence in Arachnicide, that is, if any of them were destroyed in Arachnophobia (is that even supposed to be possible?)  they might still show up in Arachnicide.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 27, 2017, 08:53:45 pm
Yes, I remember I had ordered Delta wing to destroy the Tvashri, then thrash the Jaraxxus after neutralizing the Shivan AWACS. It could explain why the SC Jaraxxus begins the mission with 3% HP. Unfortunately the only way I can think to test this is to restart the campaign and keep an eye on all cruisers HP in Arachnophobia to see if it carries over to the next mission.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 28, 2017, 09:24:47 am
Goober, is it possible to start the campaign from Arachnophobia to test this? Where should I be looking in FRED to find out what conditions there are for the Tvashtri's presence? In the edit ship menu, it's arrival is just listed as "true"
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 28, 2017, 07:36:51 pm
So by selecting the branching campaign start and ~k all the things to quickly get back to Arachnophobia, I checked to see if damaged and destroyed ships carried over. Here is the results:

All Shivan Cruisers carried their HP to the next mission except the SC Jaraxxus which I had Delta wing destroy. It returned with 20%.

(https://i.imgur.com/sKLb32x.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4EudWt6.png)

Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 28, 2017, 10:01:33 pm
Thanks for doing this for me, I really did not have time to get to that today.

This is not right, the Jaraxxus certainly should not be there if it was destroyed previously. So the Tvashtri showed up with proper HP then? I need to determine which ships this problem affects.

And the Arachnicide directive still asked for the destruction of all six capships? Did you finish the mission to see if the directive played out right this time? (sorry for all the questions :P)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: CKid on November 28, 2017, 10:17:48 pm
Yes Tvashtri survived Arachnophobia with 59% and began Arachnicide at 59%. Still got the directive to destroy 6 Capships and yes, all allied ships engaged the installation after the six were destroyed. Mission played out as it should.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 29, 2017, 02:42:53 pm
Yes Tvashtri survived Arachnophobia with 59% and began Arachnicide at 59%. Still got the directive to destroy 6 Capships and yes, all allied ships engaged the installation after the six were destroyed. Mission played out as it should.

That's good. I need to investigate how ship and ship health persistence is handled between those two missions.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on November 30, 2017, 02:45:10 pm
Goober, I need some help with this. I can't figure out where ship persistence is handled between those missions. I can't find any persistent variables or events that save ship health values. Arachnophobia is a pretty event-heavy mission, so it's possible that it's hidden under an event with a name that wouldn't imply it, but if so then I have no clue where to start looking. Am I missing something obvious?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on December 04, 2017, 12:07:16 am
I'll take a look at this soon.  Had a fairly busy week last week, and that was right after Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on December 04, 2017, 10:37:25 am
I'll take a look at this soon.  Had a fairly busy week last week, and that was right after Thanksgiving.

Thanks. Now that exams are coming up I'm going to be pretty busy until the end of next week.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: xenocartographer on December 11, 2017, 02:51:45 pm
Maybe I'm just really bad at stealth missions, but I swear, every time I've failed that one where you're supposed to target all the Shivan ships, there hasn't been anything anywhere near the three hundred meter cutoff on the proximity gauge. What's going on here?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on December 12, 2017, 12:41:53 pm
Maybe I'm just really bad at stealth missions, but I swear, every time I've failed that one where you're supposed to target all the Shivan ships, there hasn't been anything anywhere near the three hundred meter cutoff on the proximity gauge. What's going on here?

So you say that you're getting the message(s) that will show up when you've been detected by Shivan fighters?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: xenocartographer on December 12, 2017, 04:47:19 pm
I get Zeta 1 yelling at me and a failure debrief, but nothing was listed on the proximity sensor.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on December 12, 2017, 07:41:30 pm
I get Zeta 1 yelling at me and a failure debrief, but nothing was listed on the proximity sensor.

But when he yells at you does he say that you've been detected? Or is it just a general "this mission is failed" message?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: xenocartographer on December 12, 2017, 10:44:54 pm
Yes, she's telling me I've been detected.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on December 13, 2017, 01:30:25 pm
Yes, she's telling me I've been detected.

OH that's right Zeta 1 is a she. :P

Hmm.

Do you remember what the minimum detection range was said to be?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: PVD_Hope on December 13, 2017, 01:31:58 pm
I mean the range that you get detected at.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: xenocartographer on December 13, 2017, 02:12:33 pm
300 meters. The display kicks in at 2 klicks.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: eragon2890 on December 16, 2017, 06:53:45 am
Okay, maybe I just suck,, but I am finding the mission "perfect vision" where I have to guard the two ships while they are scanning the system in the GTVA branch to be literally impossible, even on very easy difficulty I failed 4 times in a row so far. They are so easy to kill it's simply impossible to prevent the far too many shivan fighters from doing so. And I am ignoring the convoy completely, I stay near the ships all the time,a nd kill about one fighter every 5 seconds, making sure to target the ones attacking either of the ships and that time and ordering my wingmates to do the same. Despite all this, I just failed for the fourth time on very easy.

What am I doing wrong? I want to get to the next mission :(

EDIT: never mind, made it the fifth time on very easy... but you might want to make it a bit easier! ;)

Great campaign overall!
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: eragon2890 on December 16, 2017, 12:04:54 pm
Allright now I am in the mission where I have to protect the US- I mean GTD Enterprise from the kraken, and I get the message that the kraken has only one beam turret and I should fire 4 trebuchet missiles at it. I target a beam turret on the kraken, destroy it with said 4 missiles, but turns out it had more then one operational after all and it destroys the Enterprise and I fail the mission. Is that supposed to happen? :-/

Also, I already lost the arnku before that, but given that the mission goes on like nothing happened I assume that will not result in a mission failed debriefing right?
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on January 04, 2018, 07:56:42 pm
Apologies for the late response.


Maybe I'm just really bad at stealth missions, but I swear, every time I've failed that one where you're supposed to target all the Shivan ships, there hasn't been anything anywhere near the three hundred meter cutoff on the proximity gauge. What's going on here?

The proximity gauge only indicates fighters, but the sentry guns will detect you as well.

This is intentional, but maybe I should change it.  (Originally, there was no proximity gauge, and it was added in order to help you track the things that moved around, while relying on the player to track things that were stationary.)


Okay, maybe I just suck,, but I am finding the mission "perfect vision" where I have to guard the two ships while they are scanning the system in the GTVA branch to be literally impossible, even on very easy difficulty I failed 4 times in a row so far. They are so easy to kill it's simply impossible to prevent the far too many shivan fighters from doing so. And I am ignoring the convoy completely, I stay near the ships all the time,a nd kill about one fighter every 5 seconds, making sure to target the ones attacking either of the ships and that time and ordering my wingmates to do the same. Despite all this, I just failed for the fourth time on very easy.

What am I doing wrong? I want to get to the next mission :(

EDIT: never mind, made it the fifth time on very easy... but you might want to make it a bit easier! ;)

This mission somehow got quite a bit harder since it was first FREDded.  I can only assume SCP changes are to blame, but I'm not sure exactly what causes it.  That's why I made engaging the convoy a secondary objective - originally, it was required.

Did you try it on Medium difficulty?  Friendly fighters are more intelligent on Medium.

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Great campaign overall!

Thanks!


Allright now I am in the mission where I have to protect the US- I mean GTD Enterprise from the kraken, and I get the message that the kraken has only one beam turret and I should fire 4 trebuchet missiles at it. I target a beam turret on the kraken, destroy it with said 4 missiles, but turns out it had more then one operational after all and it destroys the Enterprise and I fail the mission. Is that supposed to happen? :-/

Also, I already lost the arnku before that, but given that the mission goes on like nothing happened I assume that will not result in a mission failed debriefing right?

That would be one primary beam turret, on the forward prongs of the Kraken.  There are other beam turrets operational, but they are anti-fighter turrets and not a threat to the Enterprise.

It is possible to save the Arnku, but very difficult.  The story assumes that the Arnku will be lost.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: pim on January 13, 2018, 02:26:17 pm
Hi.
 So I'm enjoying the campaign, everything goes smoothly and we Vasudans rulezz when suddenly I get agoraphobia. Sorry, I mean Arachnophobia. Eventually Arachnicide.
 I encountered same issue as CKid and need to restart the branch.
I'd appreciate prolonging the EMP effect and decreasing the station flak radius in Arachnophobia (since it is not players responsibility and it's just an annoyance). Why?

 Arachnophobia has potential to be great mission. I enjoyed it till fifth or so repetition. Maybe I'm just looser or it maybe still needs to be somehow tweaked because results seemed to me to be more dependent on luck than my performance.
 How long does EMP last? After launching EMP missile to the fourth target the first one already started to fire at Helioses again.
 Second beam was even more troublesome than the first one. Even after destruction of both sentries and one cruiser by Delta wing and when the remaining cruiser was constantly spammed by EMP, still 4 Helioses were destroyed by station flak and it's main beam survived. So during final attempt I didn't take any chances and ordered Delta wing to destroy everything before tagging the main beam. This finally helped.
 Side effect was that after progressing to Arachnicide I got stuck - two targets remained on the escort list while there was already no enemy and capital ships didn't start with attack.

 BTW before Arachnophobia is default FS loading screen. I guess that you have some nice picture prepared for it like for the other missions.

Sa Vasuda.
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Goober5000 on January 13, 2018, 04:13:44 pm
It seems that the mission is very easy to break. :sigh:  I tried to ensure that the flak would not bother the player by using certain sexps, but it doesn't seem to have worked reliably.  I'll take another look at it.

I can also increase the EMP duration.  It is supposed to last for 21 seconds, which was barely enough time for me in my tests.  But I'll make it more forgiving.  And I will fix the loading screen; thanks for letting me know.

And I still need to look at the other problems.  This is a high priority, but I have a lot of tasks I'm juggling at the moment.  I'm slowly making progress. :)
Title: Re: RELEASE: The Scroll of Atankharzim, Part I
Post by: Vidmaster on January 15, 2018, 02:03:33 pm
A bug in "Thieves and Destroyers": I never got the RTB due one of the transports being disabled. Victory music played, so I suspect the SEXPs worked as intended and all but the mission obviously ended it a failure since I still jumped out prematurely.
EDIT: Second attempt, no disabled ship. Everything fine on the transport side. Same bug. On further note, I saw the medical ship jumping around with probably 500 speed units, I suppose it got stuck somewhere and glitched out. Of course, I am playing on fs2_open_3_8_1_20171231_8cf0e8e_x64_SSE2 which might have something to do with it.
EDIT2: Switched back to 3_8_0 stable and kept the finger away from time compression. Worked.

By the way, cracking campaign thus far. A few weaker points but overall very strong. Will give full review when done.