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Title: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 01, 2021, 11:07:05 pm
Hello you wonderful people of HLP.

I'd like to thank each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart for having the passion for this wonderful piece of my childhood to keep this game alive for over 20 stonking years. I've been feeling old lately, and recently ordered a brand new flight stick so I could polish off my old FreeSpace 2 disc, reinstall some mods, and sit down for some nostalgia. I wouldn't be able to enjoy this product and its derivative works nearly as much were it not for the dedicated community you've all been.

I'd like to return the favor somehow and share my passion for FreeSpace however I can, so to christen the new flight stick, I'm dusting off the old YouTube channel me and my gaming chums used to maintain and streaming a full playthrough of FreeSpace, Silent Threat, Silent Threat: Reborn, and FreeSpace 2. I'm going to be starting tomorrow in 11 hours as of the posting of this thread, and I'd like to invite all you folks who made this experience and this renewed joy I feel possible with your mods and support of FreeSpace Open / Source Code Project. I hope I'm not breaking any norms here dropping a link, but I'd love to have any of you relive these games with me.

Hope to see you there, HLP community!

Ill Fated Gaming TV (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw)



I'm going to try to organize what campaigns to tackle in what order after I finish FS2. I'm thinking we'll go back and deal with "unseen" perspectives of the canon before moving outside those realms in a somewhat chronological order. Suggestions on what campaigns to add to the list, and possibly what order in which to play them, are welcome here.

Main Series:

New Years Meme Stream:

Main Series Continued:

Tribute to TopAce:

Main Series Continued:

The Bryan See Saga:

Extras:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on May 02, 2021, 12:02:51 pm
Welcome, that looks great.

Be sure to also cover some community campaigns as well in your playthroughs. There’s lots of stuff that could use more exposure.

Best
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 02, 2021, 01:38:29 pm
Taking a lunch break for a few hours.

As for community campaigns, what I'd like to do is Ancient-Shivan War, Derelict, Blue Planet Complete, Vassago's Dirge, Trimurti, Transcend, and Shrouding the Light. I've yet to play any of them save for ASW, so it'll be blind plays.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on May 02, 2021, 02:04:09 pm
May I suggest others as well, like memories of the Great War, bta, scroll, uncharted territory, Pandora’s box. The list is extensive. Pick your pleasure.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 04, 2021, 04:44:20 pm
Due to the YouTube stream dropping my audio stream for some reason, I'll be restarting this series with other Ill Fated Gaming friends commenting as well this upcoming Sunday!

https://youtu.be/VKUf0ur6KMk
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 09, 2021, 11:00:59 pm
Thank you to everyone who tuned in yesterday or watched the archive. Hoping to get most of the way through the campaign this next Sunday, and I'm doing more reading up on user-created campaigns to add to the list.

Your interest and viewership is appreciated!  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 10, 2021, 04:17:28 pm
Glad to see this. :)  Highlighted.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 10, 2021, 07:17:03 pm
Hey Goober!  :)

I absolutely LOVE the FreeSpace Port and Silent Threat: Reborn. I cannot wait to show them off in full on the streams. You guys really keep my passion for this game alive with your work. I feel like an 11-year old playing this game with my old Microsoft Sidewinder again when I pull this game up.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 12, 2021, 04:33:08 pm
Thank you!  And we, in turn, are always delighted when streamers showcase our campaigns on their channels. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 15, 2021, 06:03:02 pm
I'll be streaming again tomorrow, and I've prepared a more formal shout-out to all the talents behind the mods I'm playing, as well as the community here as a whole. I figure getting more attention means it would be a good idea to point people towards where to buy the games, where to come if they're interested in the mods, and who to thank for these wonderful improvements and mods.

I'd like to be sure that I name the appropriate people without having it ramble on for too long, but for the FSPort I found that the main contributors listed on the page were Galactic Emperor, Goober5000, Yarn, and Admiral Nelson. I'd hate to feel like I didn't drop any appropriate names, and I'll do one of these again before each new mod, so if I've missed anyone for the FSPort or the MediaVPs, please let me know so I can revise my script before tomorrow's stream airs.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 16, 2021, 02:25:48 pm
I've done nothing but my name is 👆🏻

😜

Hope you're enjoying it all mate.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 16, 2021, 03:31:11 pm
Thank you to everyone who showed up, especially the awesome HLP people who gave insight into the inner workings of the game and gave me some solid advice!

I hope you all had fun and hope you'll tune in next Sunday!

EDIT: Damn, I forgot to ask Mito what lighting settings he was recommending for my Knossos command line to make the ships look nicer. :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on May 17, 2021, 01:45:15 pm
Hi there, just let me quickly toss a couple graphic suggestions at you while I'm at it.

Firstly, the lighting setup - there's a Wiki page (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Sample_Lighting_Settings) and a visual comparison (https://imgur.com/gallery/MshrBKk) on it. There's also a summary (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Command-Line_Reference#Lighting) of the flags (although it's very technical). I personally use this:
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-ambient_factor 73 -spec_point 0.3 -spec_static 1.0 -spec_tube 0.4 -bloom_intensity 45It gives you the slightest hint of ambient light, but still deep and dark shadows on surfaces facing away from suns. The suns get a large contribution, while primary and beam fire... not so much. A bit of bloom makes most lights on ships "bleed out" a bit (and honestly this makes warp vortexes look fantastic). Also that makes every mission have its own flavour of a light environment. You can play around with most of these parameters in the F3 Lab.

Emissive lighting (IIRC, in recent builds it's opt-in in Knossos flags instead of opt-out) just gives you a basic, high level of ambient light. With it stuff looks kinda flat, in my opinion.

Maybe you would also be interested in disabling motion debris (the specks of space trash you can see flying by you) and screen shaking (the one you experience when you hit your afterburner or shoot Maxim). Both should be flags available in Knossos settings.


The stream was really fun and I just can't wait for the next one!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on May 17, 2021, 06:07:29 pm
Loved the stream as well. Caught up on the last hour via vod, and I'm also looking forward to this weekend's stream!  :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 17, 2021, 06:27:08 pm
Thank you guys for the support. I hope to attract a larger audience with each stream.

I tried out the settings Mito suggested and looked at ships in the F3 model viewer, and WOW! They look gorgeous! Thanks for the advice, that flat lighting was kind of bothering me, but then I remember retails FreeSpace 2 and even flat lighting with better models and textures are an improvement for me. I didn't realize just how much better it could look.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 22, 2021, 10:55:30 pm
I'll be streaming again in 11 hours. Hope to catch everyone there! :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Jadehawk on May 24, 2021, 10:25:28 am
Good luck on this!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 25, 2021, 09:20:03 pm
I'm definitely a fan of the in-mission commentary.  It's pretty hilarious listening to your frustration with some of the original Silent Threat missions.

By the way, there are 17 wings of HOL ships in Secret Recovery.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 30, 2021, 12:11:48 am
I've been a busy bee this week, and have a bit of a rambly rant about Secret Recovery at the start of tomorrow's stream. Hopefully everyone enjoys my characteristic fuming.

Looking forward to seeing everyone at tomorrow's stream!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 30, 2021, 03:20:08 pm
Valid points in your Secret Recovery rant.  All I can say is that the mission is an exact port from FS1 to FS2.  The enemies, weapons, positions, events, etc. are all identical.  The differences are almost certainly due to code changes.  Unfortunately, since the AI code is notoriously difficult to work with, it's very difficult to pin down exactly what might have changed in the AI code between FS1 and the current version of FSO.  (If someone has some extra time and doesn't mind doing testing, it would be informative to see videos of a Secret Recovery playthrough using each major version of FSO.)

The last time I played Secret Recovery, I just focused on staying alive long enough for Epsilon 1 and 2 to both be lost, and then I destroyed the Giordano myself.  This is a valid victory condition, although not the ideal one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on May 30, 2021, 08:23:44 pm
Another fun stream! Can't wait for next week's dive into Reborn. :)

On a side note, Fields of Destruction inspired me to make a funny...

(http://imgur.com/6Jehplz.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 30, 2021, 08:45:06 pm
:lol:

Meme thread!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 06, 2021, 12:52:21 am
Tomorrow is stream day, and I'm very excited. I worked out a proper strategy for how most effectively to clear mission 1 of ST: Reborn, but there's still an element of RNG as to whether my wingmen can be depended on to fulfill their tasks. It does rely on me issuing the right orders in the correct sequence and hoping that enemy fighters aren't too nasty, but my success rate with this strategy is roughly 70%.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 06, 2021, 10:05:21 pm
Hey! I got around to timestamping the streams. I'll list them below.
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FreeSpace [001]
3:37 - FreeSpace 1 Intro
7:23 - Training Missions
27:22 - Mission 1: Eve of Destruction
34:28 - Mission 2: The Field of Battle
42:04 - Mission 3: Small Deadly Space
49:22 - Mission 4: Avenging Angels
59:47 - Cutscene: Ancients 1
1:01:08 - Mission 5: Out of the Dark, Into the Night
1:27:15 - Mission 6: Paving the Way)
1:40:28 - Mission 7: Pandora's Box
1:47:24 - Cutscene: Lab Experiment
1:48:08 - Mission 8: The Hammer and the Anvil
2:17:36 - Mission 9: The Darkness and the Light
2:33:36 - Cutscene: Command Briefing
2:34:51 - Mission 10: First Strike
2:57:17 - Cutscene: Ancients 2
2:58:26 - Mission 11: The Aftermath
3:19:47 - Mission 12: The Big Bang
3:26:53 - Cutscene: Hall Fight
3:29:06 - Mission 13: La Routa della Fortuna

FreeSpace [002]
12:07 - Mission 14: Where Eagles Dare
23:30 - Mission 15: Tenderizer, 1st Run
48:12 - Mission 16: Shell Game, 1st Run
1:09:36 - Mission 15: Tenderizer, 2nd Run
1:25:17 - Mission 16: Shell Game, 2nd Run
1:41:57 - Mission 17: Enter the Dragon
1:57:31 - Mission 18: Playing Judas
2:25:53 - Cutscene: Ancients 3
2:26:38 - Mission 19: Evangelist
2:43:26 - Mission 20: Doomsday
2:54:49 - Cutscene: Ancients 4
2:55:48 - Mission 21: Exodus
3:26:22 - Mission 22: Last Hope
3:46:34 - Mission 23: A Failure to Communicate
4:10:51 - Mission 24: Reaching the Zenith
4:33:00 - Mission 25: Running the Gauntlet
4:47:24 - Cutscene: Ancients 5
4:48:13 - Mission 26: Black Omega

FreeSpace [003]
3:10 - Mission 27: Clash of the Titans
29:34 - Mission 28: The Great Hunt, 1st Run
47:48 - Mission 29: Good Luck, 1st Run
1:19:40 - Mission 28: The Great Hunt, 2nd Run
1:42:43 - Mission 29: Good Luck, 2nd Run
1:55:00 - FreeSpace 1 Outro + Credits
-----Silent Threat-----
2:07:50 - Mission 1: Silence All Voices
2:24:42 - Mission 2: The Pursuit
2:59:35 - Mission 3: Ghosts
3:09:04 - Mission 4: On the Run
3:30:59 - Mission 5: Hellfire
3:42:30 - Mission 6: Secret Recovery

Silent Threat [001]
10:30 - Mission 7: Cloak and Dagger
56:23 - Mission 8: Field of Destruction
1:33:18 - Mission 9: Exodus
2:01:08 - Mission 10: The Return to Ross 128
2:54:07 - Mission 11: The Wait
3:24:21 - Mission 12: Secrets Revealed
-----Silent Threat: Reborn-----
3:45:49 - Silent Threat: Reborn Intro
3:47:53 - Mission 1: Silence All Voices (Incomplete)

Silent Threat [002]
2:57 - Mission 1: Silence All Voices
12:10 - Mission 2: More Than Meets the Eye
24:19 - Mission 3: Ghosts
45:40 - Mission 4: Field of Destruction
57:42 - Mission 5: Cloak and Dagger
1:35:03 - Mission 6: He Who Rides the Tiger
2:05:25 - Mission 7: The Wait
2:41:54 - Mission 8: Hellfire
2:55:09 - Mission 9: The Return to Ross 128
3:04:22 - Mission 10: The Last Hurrah
3:32:22 - Mission 11: Betrayed (Incomplete)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 07, 2021, 12:47:07 am
I appreciate you taking the time on the timestamps, Colt. I've updated the VODs.  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 13, 2021, 01:27:49 am
Hope to see you all at tomorrow's stream! :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 13, 2021, 02:07:11 pm
Some timestamps for today's stream  :yes:

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0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:08:12 - Mission #11: Betrayal
0:40:30 - Mission #12: Exodus
0:58:00 - Exodus: The Suffering
1:34:08 - Mission #13: Forced Hand
1:58:29 - BONK
2:00:30 - Departing now.
2:19:02   - Mission #14: Chasing Shadows (Incomplete)
2:59:08 - End Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 16, 2021, 08:05:53 pm
So I'm trying to practice Chasing Shadows in Silent Threat: Reborn for this weekend's stream, and I have to say that it seems like a very unforgiving mission. So obviously, I'm trying to narrow down every little detail and find the best strategy to improve my chances of success, and I couldn't help but notice a detail at the very beginning of the mission which shapes the entire rest of the mission. Consider this my first real complaint about an otherwise outstanding campaign.

When you arrive, Vargi wing (the Zeus bombers) start at a RANDOM location from your ship. Their orientation relative to the PVD Hope, as well as their DISTANCE can be anywhere between 5 o'clock and 2 o'clock, putting them far outside the field of engagement but with an advantageous approach to the Hope, or directly behind the Vidar. Likewise, in the former, they are ~4500 meters out, while in the latter, they are ~2200 meters out. This introduces a ridiculous level of variance, and I only noticed this because upon IMMEDIATELY issuing an All Fighters, Engage Enemy command on one of my attempts, the entirety of Vargi wing was wiped out by Beta wing in literal seconds. I could not figure out why, until I noticed that during one of these "lucky" runs, Beta in Hercs would dump their entire missile payload upon Vargi and obliterate them before they could launch a single missile, giving the Hope a 5% HP advantage compared to other runs.

Personally, I like consistency in my missions, but I can accept some variance when you're not already juggling 50 balls in the air. Doing this on Medium (as with all of my playthroughs), and having to maintain the blockade, not get shredded by their fighter support, and wipe out incoming bombs and bomber wings to keep the Hope alive, WHILE also in a miserable pre-determined loadout on account of it being a Scramble mission... it's incredibly frustrating. I'm going to keep banging my head against this wall since I have a stream on Sunday and I'd like to give a decent performance. I've already sacrificed a few perfect missions in my plathroughs thus far trying not to keep the audience groaning through 20 attempts 2 hours later of a single mission, but this one is really chuffing me.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 16, 2021, 10:51:45 pm
Chasing Shadows is intentionally designed to make it very difficult to accomplish both objectives.  You only need to protect the Hope to progress in the campaign.

That being said, it's possible that FSO code changes in the past few years have negatively affected balance.  Chasing Shadows and Silent Threat's Secret Recovery are two of the most noticeable examples.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 17, 2021, 12:10:55 am
I definitely love me some challenge and difficulty, and I'm not against it being controller-throwingly difficult when I feel like I'm in control of my success or failure. I suppose the starting variance just highlights what's aggravating me. I don't feel like I'm ultimately in control of my performance, but rather at the mercy of RNG. As with most FreeSpace missions, you alone are not the one who will determine performance, as you're meant to rely on your wingmen. Given the AI is anything but refined, this introduces a large amount of variance already, and understanding the nuance behind the Comm menu seems key, yet is also difficult for me to decipher.

I would expect Protect Target on the Hope to make them prioritize Serkr missiles launched from the Medusas, but ultimately I end up having to target each one and tell my wings to destroy them, with not enough time for all 4 missiles before impact. Engage Enemy seems to get the most decent spread of fire to ensure that my wingmen are shooting down transports and freighters but not getting blasted by fighters, and as recommended by Mito during the stream about balancing between Engage Enemy and Protect Target, I would expect to just need to be good about micro-managing while also doing my best. Alas, at times I feel like I have to try to do everything on my own, I get overwhelmed, and I decide to take a break from practice for that day.

I don't know the exact details of what the difficulty level in FreeSpace adjusts, but I can't imagine that the jump from Easy to Medium should be so cruel. I'd like to show off a little bit, but also not subject my audience to burn-out from a single mission. :(

I don't know. Maybe I just need to git gud, but I definitely hate feeling like I don't have control in a game where the goals are expected to be achievable by the player.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 19, 2021, 09:21:17 pm
Tomorrow is stream day!

And despite my practice this week I have 0 confidence that my performance in Chasing Shadows will be glowing!  ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 19, 2021, 11:12:38 pm
I'm going to be missing out on the stream (Father's Day luncheon), but I'll catch up on the vod afterwards!

Good luck, pilot!  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 09:33:33 am
EDIT: I've decided to move this list to the first post so that people don't have to keep searching for this post in the discussion!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 10:23:48 am
That is an excellent list. Trimurti is wonderfully unique and creative. Vassago's Dirge is unleashed Axem, one of HLP's best modders.(On that note, JAD needs to be on your list eventually... all of them.) Blue Planet is also really good and has inspired a whole generation of new HLP content creators. The others on the list are classics of varying quality but all worth playing.

Aftermath Reboot and II are marathons of Freespace gameplay and the creator put an incredible amount of work into them. I may be biased on Between the Ashes, but I like to think it's pretty good. Players often remark on it's level of polish and how much they love to hate the villain. Blue Planet 2 is part of Blue Planet Complete. Solaris is a breath of fresh air in the FSO engine and well worth your time. Inferno ranges from old classics to new entries, some better than others... It's got a long history at HLP and the updates they've been doing are pretty great.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 11:30:28 am
mjn! An absolute legend! I love your redone visual assets, including the awesome redone cinematics. I saw that you had a Capella Supernova remastered. Any chance you're planning to redo the intro cinematic for FreeSpace 2?

I've added to the list. Who knows, maybe someday I'll have showcased all of the currently available campaigns.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 22, 2021, 12:14:01 pm
Caught up with the vod! Timestamps below.

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0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:05:09 - Mission #14: Chasing Shadows
0:55:42 - Mission #15: Secrets Reborn
1:42:50 - Mission #16: Blood of the Innocents
2:01:30 - Mission #17: Abandon Hope
2:16:37 - Mission #18: Last Stand
2:45:30 - Ending cutscene

-----Operation Templar-----
2:54:20 - Preparing for Operation Templar
2:55:57 - Mission #1: Bringing The Hammer Down
3:19:14 - Mission #2: Chasing the Threat
3:47:44 - Mission #3: Tightning the Noose
4:34:30 - Mission #4: Final Outpost
5:11:37 - Post-Stream Banter

For campaigns, a few not mentioned that I'd recommend are Shivans, which are 2 VAd campaigns (Phantoms is set at the very start of the Great War, Echo Gate is post-Lucifer), Eyebleach (literally pre-FS2), Walls Closing (FS2-era) and Procyon Insurgency (post-FS2). Exile's a great campaign set right after FS2, but I think it needs an older version of FSO to run properly.

Regarding input, Memories of the Great War is a very polished experience. Scrolls' has a very interesting setting and the writing is great, with even some humorous parts that aren't out of place for a Vasudan campaign. Uncharted is another polished campaign. Pandora's Box has received good reception from other members, but I haven't had a chance to give it a full playthrough.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 22, 2021, 12:27:21 pm
For gap-bridging or close-to-canon campaigns, here are my recommendations:


I would also suggest Awakenings and Destiny of Peace for FS1-era campaigns.  Awakenings has very high production values for a fan-made campaign of that era.

All the recommendations in this thread are good, although I should warn you that someone reported it takes 13 hours of gameplay just to cheat through Aftermath by insta-killing every ship.  So if you play those campaigns you may find yourself committed to them for a while.  For Inferno, I recommend both Classic and Nostos.  They're each good in their own way.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: General Battuta on June 22, 2021, 12:29:44 pm
Wait is Eyebleach a real campaign? I always assumed from the name it was some kind of parody meme thing.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 12:48:35 pm
I realize it's not thanks to Mito's explanation during the stream, but it should probably get a proper name and icon at some point so as not to give people that impression.

I'm going to work on sorting out and ordering these, and installing all of these. If anyone wants to help me determine where in the numbered list I should drop some in the unnumbered list, I'd welcome your input.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 12:58:50 pm
mjn! An absolute legend! I love your redone visual assets, including the awesome redone cinematics. I saw that you had a Capella Supernova remastered. Any chance you're planning to redo the intro cinematic for FreeSpace 2?

I've added to the list. Who knows, maybe someday I'll have showcased all of the currently available campaigns.

Thanks! I'm glad you liked them. The Supernova scene is one of my favorites that I've done. I learned so much over the last decade working on that project. I always wanted to go back and fix-up/re-render/enhance some of my earlier works with what I've learned, but I've moved on to other rendering projects and won't be working on those or the FS2 intro for the foreseeable future.

Based on your edited post above, I'll add that Between the Ashes takes place after Silent Threat and before FS2. The mod currently contains two short mini-campaigns and one main campaign. We're actively FREDing part 2. BtA also includes a version of Operation Templar rebalanced to work in BtA single player with a little extra polish here and there. OT versions are kind of a dime a dozen around HLP though, lol.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on June 22, 2021, 01:09:40 pm
Wait is Eyebleach a real campaign? I always assumed from the name it was some kind of parody meme thing.

It is! I believe the name came about after a certain...shall we say, infamous mod release occurred.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 01:14:06 pm
And Knossos is (once again) throwing a tantrum because I dared to queue more than one mod up for install, so now it's doing that thing where it displays nothing under Home, and only a fraction of the mods under Explore. So I can't look at the descriptions to try to get more details on where to place these campaigns. I'm going to step away to handle some IRL errands, and hope that it eventually fixes itself, since the last time I tried to Force Quit Knossos, it caused me nothing but headaches.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 22, 2021, 01:33:00 pm
Destiny of Peace is seven months after FS1.
Awakenings is 3 years after FS1, not FS2.
Scroll is 11 years after FS2.
Inferno (both Classic and Nostos) is 33 years after FS2.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 22, 2021, 01:36:53 pm
To add to Eyebleach, its 4 missions long and pretty solid, leaning on the intense side.  It's also got a cool final battle between the GTD Aeneas and the NTD Jacobus.

(Like Exile, it suffers from a criminally short Knossos description page. They're both great campaigns!)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 01:39:18 pm
Do we know roughly the amount of time between the end of FreeSpace and Silent Threat? It's roughly overlapping the end and slightly after the Great War, right? Thanks to everyone for the input. The list is coming along nicely in the first post!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 01:42:04 pm
Do we know roughly the amount of time between the end of FreeSpace and Silent Threat? It's roughly overlapping the end and slightly after the Great War, right? Thanks to everyone for the input. The list is coming along nicely in the first post!

Silent Threat happens pretty much right away. Here's the timeline on the wiki. (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Timeline)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 01:47:01 pm
Got Knossos working again. Will pore over these and work out the last tweaks to the list later. Anyone know if Unification War is worth looking at? Also, if I have Blue Planet Complete, no need for Blue Planet 2, I take it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 02:01:25 pm
Got Knossos working again. Will pore over these and work out the last tweaks to the list later. Anyone know if Unification War is worth looking at? Also, if I have Blue Planet Complete, no need for Blue Planet 2, I take it?

By Blue Planet 2 do you mean The Battle Captains? (I thought you meant War in Heaven as BP2.) I forgot they called that BP2. IIRC that's a fan mod of a fan mod. I've actually never played that one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 22, 2021, 02:07:27 pm
(was editing my previous post, but I'll just make a new one  :p)

Timewise of the campaigns I mentioned:

Shivans: Phantoms takes place right after McCarthy is arrested, Echo Gate takes place at the same time as ST:R's Cloak and Dagger, and both campaigns actually give a nod to eachothers' fleet actions
Eyebleach: 72 hours before FS2
Walls Closing: During and after the 1st Sathanas fight, between Bearbating and Return to Babel
Procyon Insurgency: 18 months after FS2

Memories: Light of Antares and Hellgate Ikeya both take place immediately after the Taranis' capture and before the arrival of the Lucifer
Scrolls: Goober already listed this
Uncharted Territories: latter portion of the Nebular campaign in FS2, ends before Apocalypse.
Pandora's Box: shortly after the start of the NTF rebellion, or between 12-18 months before FS2
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 04:17:51 pm
And my list is done. If anyone can think of anything else that's a must-play, polished, immersive, etc, let me know. I'm still curious if anyone knows anything about the Unification War mod.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 04:53:14 pm
Eh, I don't really want to dig at the people who made a go at that mod. It began with great intentions, but it's one of the legacy HLP mods whose scope far exceeded the time and motivation of the creators. The project got sidetracked by other ideas along the way. To their credit, it did ultimately release something that's a notable part of HLP history, but the campaign itself isn't the best. There have been a number of attempts at fixing it up over the years and I think it's in a somewhat playable state now. It's not a mod I generally recommend people play unless they are like Spart_n and insist on playing HLP's entire library of content.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on June 23, 2021, 12:54:31 am
no offense to the team behind UW but it was not even an okay experience, and i played the FSCRP version of it. would not recommend for streaming and entertainment purposes
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on June 23, 2021, 05:21:32 am
You can also try series resurrecta, a bunch of not so mini campaigns set just after the Great War.

And shrouding the light is a definite experience for those wishing to experience operations against the hammer of light.

While UW was polarising, I personally think it was a good effort. Also one of a rare kind to focus on that part of the FS mythos. I think the 158th squadron also released a small campaign that did this. I wonder if it was brought up to speck by the CRP? Also, BW’s frontlines mini campaigns occur just before Fs1
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2021, 09:45:13 am
It looks like someone made a general thread over on the old chans, where some of our videos, channels, mod names, and resources were posted. I figure we might as well support interest where it exists, so I'll drop a post there every now and then to keep interest and conversation going.

https://boards.4channel.org/vg/thread/340689954
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 23, 2021, 09:47:09 am
You can also try series resurrecta, a bunch of not so mini campaigns set just after the Great War.
Ah! How'd I forget to mention this?!

SR is a pair of high quality campaigns. Gehenna's Gate is my absolute favourite of the two, and is set in the days leading up to the Shivan defeat after the Lucifer's destruction. Spirit of Ptah is around a year later I think. I haven't played Frontlines in a long while, but I remember them being fun.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2021, 09:49:27 am
It looks like that thread took notes from this thread, possibly. So maybe it's one of us. :ninja:

It looks like my playthrough, and Colt's and mjn's channels got linked as well.

Should I add Series Resurecta and Frontlines 2334 to my list? Or any of the additions on that thread's list like Bem Cavalgar and Reunion?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 23, 2021, 02:15:03 pm
What's your scope?  Do you want to play all the mods, or even most of the mods?  Do you want a curated list of top recommendations?  Do you want to play a selection of campaigns from each era?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2021, 02:17:39 pm
I'm definitely looking for a curated list of the top mods. The high quality stuff to show off what the community's capable of producing. Currently I'm mostly doing stuff that follows the timeline and universe of FreeSpace, but I know there's projects that are set in different universes altogether.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 25, 2021, 09:29:43 am
I just noticed that Silent Threat: Reborn got an update, but I cannot for the life of me find a changelog anywhere. It would be really nice if Knossos supported some sort of changelog. :/
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 25, 2021, 09:53:52 am
It's a very small update.  I fixed a few briefing icon bugs, including the one in the last mission that showed an Orion instead of a planet.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 25, 2021, 10:12:40 am
Ooh, and here I thought that was intentional nod to the GTD Legion. To make me question (as I did) what it was doing there. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 25, 2021, 10:39:44 am
Nah, the GTD Legion off in the distance was our intentional nod to the GTD Legion. :p
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on June 25, 2021, 03:39:16 pm
Just remembered that someone made lot a long time ago a very small minicampaign centered on the battle of Deneb and the loss of the legion. Trying to remember the name…

EDIT: got it: legion’s demise.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on June 25, 2021, 07:37:57 pm
[insert "WHO SUMMONED ME!?" meme here]

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=94256.msg1859882;topicseen#msg1859882

It's a bit outdated, made before Knossos became mainstream, so it would need some tinkering to work, and the writing's not that good. But it's still available.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 26, 2021, 07:37:40 am
All this expanded continuity talk and chatter about old passion projects is making me super energized for the next several streams. I cannot tell you guys just how hyped I am to be doing FreeSpace 2 tomorrow, and I'm getting really excited about playing some of your campaigns when I finish. I've only scratched the surface of some of them. To date, I've only played the first mission of Ancient-Shivan War, I've played Goober's Ross 128, and I've played through a bit of Vassago's Dirge. Cannot wait to take the full dive into all of them on stream.

Also, if you haven't already, I hope you guys will tell all your chums to tune into the stream. Hoping to share my passion for FS2 with way more and hopefully have a lot more chatter to engage with. In case it hasn't already become apparent, I can ramble for hours on end about things I'm passionate about. :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 07:20:48 am
Woke up early. Couldn't sleep in. Too hyped. I'm going to try to organize the tumble-dryer full of tennis balls that is my mind right now so that all my excitable 11-year-old me nostalgia nuggets can be channeled into some sort of cohesive monologue.

Hope to see everyone at the stream.

EDIT: Minor urgent issue. I cannot get the FreeSpace 2 intro cutscene to play, through vanilla (without Knossos) or Retail in Knossos or upgrade. I'm reinstalling from CD, but does anyone know what might cause this issue? Launching the game jumps straight to pilot select, and trying to play from the Tech Room causes a brief cut to black before returning immediately to the Tech Room. It's almost as if it can't find the file.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 27, 2021, 08:06:53 am
Hey there, I just happened to come around before the stream and had a moment to post.

Firstly I just need to say that it's been a lot of fun to be around and laugh at your reactions, random stuff happening ingame and cringe a bit at the gameplay :P (nah that's fine, I'm just a person terminally glued to Insane difficulty)


As for the campaigns, I guess I can share a bit of experiences.

Generally speaking, mods rarely have functional voice acting in place. As for the gameplay, there is a quite noticeable trend in the old mods (that weren't upgraded much by now) that their gameplay is often seen as quite a bit tedious - not to offend the modders of old, but back then the idea of more content did consist in a significant part from more shooting, which was done by sending more enemy waves. I think it's a thing worth considering later on.

As for the list, a couple corrections. One, Solaris is a fully independent universe from Freespace. Basically the only thing it shares with Freespace is the engine. Which in no way detracts from the experience, of course.
Aftermath Reboot takes place 7 years after FS2... it even has a massive banner with that written lol
Aftermath Reboot 2 is known to have been... problematic with its balance. I think someone who has played both parts recently should stand up and comment on how both are feasible to play right now.

Also, your list mixes in a lot of different types of works. There are massive mods (Blue Planet, Aftermath Reboot, Ancient-Shivan War) that consist of similar amounts or more content than FS1 or FS2, and there's a bunch of minicampaigns (for example Walls Closing, or Eyebleach) that are only 4 missions long. And of course a bunch of things in between. But I guess the decisions will come up when you're progressively pushing through the content.

Another important part regarding mods is about copyright issues regarding their music. I'm not sure how that applies to streams, but I vaguely recall that for example, Vassago's Dirge music was at some point copyrighted which resulted in people needing to take down their gameplay videos, or something along the lines. Someone more competent in this regard would need to speak up but I'd like to mention this right now, to keep in mind for later.

As for different mods, remember that there are total conversions - which take place in a different universe than Freespace. Beyond the Red Line, Diaspora and Adversary are from Battlestar Galactica, there's Wing Commander Saga, The Babylon Project and something more that escapes me at the moment. There's also a custom universe of The Antagonist and Burning Heaven which both are quite interesting and even voice acted.

Also there are a couple mods that make significant changes to how you play the game as a whole. There's of course Trimurti because Shivans and gameplay more on instinct than anything else There's Bem Cavalgar, which I hear has a massive factor of resource management between missions and making tradeoffs. A couple other things you could try later on are SHUMPspace (a 2D scroll shooter) and Windmills (a strategy game inside Freespace). There are some mods that in some place give you control over a capital ship, too. Of course there's a bunch of other things you can try which I forgot or never known about. :P


Beyond that, HLP has a Discord server (https://discord.gg/QFdueKEYrN) which I would encourage you to take a peek at. There's a lot of activity in there, an actual announcement system for new mod updates, and I think you could count on some mod dev joining up to provide some developer commentary while at that.


Re: issue - try navigating to MediaVPs mod tile, extending the dropdown menu, hitting "Modify", marking all packages and letting Knossos download them. There's a couple of packages with cutscenes and I guess this could possibly help.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 08:08:40 am
Reinstalling fixed the cutscene issue running from disc. I wonder if the "no CD patch" I used caused the problem, so I'm hesitant to use it again. That said, I don't want to pop in the disc every time I want to run it even through Knossos, which I think is what caused me to go the "no CD patch" route initially. Now I just have to get it to work through Knossos, Retail or MediaVPs... Do I need to have it reacquire the base VPs from my new install?

Anyone have a recommended no CD patch rather than one from some skeevy random site?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 27, 2021, 08:15:30 am
I don't think you need anything CD related after you install Freespace Open. FSO becomes its own separate thing when it's set up and it should function regardless of the state of retail FS2 or any disks.

Also upon inspection I found out I had the same issue and here's my fix: navigate to your retail FS2 installation/data2, copy Intro.mve from there, navigate to <your Knossos mod library>/FS2/MVPS-4.4.2/data/movies and paste it in there. The rest of the cutscenes were to my knowledge already remade by MjnMixael and are provided with the MediaVPs.

Edit: fixed MVPS version mentioned. But generally just copy that into the latest MVPS you have.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 08:24:37 am
Thank you for your information, Mito! I'll try to bring some of it up during the stream. For reasons I'd rather not get into, I don't use Discord, but I appreciate the invitation. The additional voices you'll hear in streams sometime are on my TeamSpeak server.

I'll also try to figure out how I'm going to work around the copyright issues if they come up during the stream scheduling.

I cannot seem to find a data2 folder or Intro.mve anywhere. Am I going to need to rip that from one of my discs? Yep, found it on disc 2. I also got it working for "Retail FS2" through Knossos by copying it into Knossos/library/data/movies. Should that directory be empty? Do I have to rip all the movies from the disc and put them there if I wanted to play Retail FS2 with no mods?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 27, 2021, 08:32:19 am
If you want to have this cutscene in "Retail FS2" provided by Knossos, just copy the file into <mod library>/FS2/data/movies - create the movies directory if there isn't one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on June 27, 2021, 09:33:58 am
Also, a campaign named Mantle is a must. Iirc the only campaign so far where you play from the perspective of a HOL pilot.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 27, 2021, 03:04:31 pm
'stahmps

Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:06:57 - Original FreeSpace 2 CD set reveal
0:08:18 - Pre-Stream Banter (Cont.)
0:13:05 - Cutscene: FreeSpace 2 Intro
0:20:44 - 53rd Hammerheads introduction
0:26:18 - Mission #1: Surrender, Belisarius!
0:40:38 - Mission #2: The Place of Chariots
0:51:09 - Mission #3: The Romans Blunder
1:08:56 - 107th Ravens introduction
1:15:45 - Mission #4: A Lion at the Door
1:45:05 - Mission #5: Mystery of the Trinity
2:18:24 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 1
2:20:14 - Mission #6: The Great Hunt
2:32:10 - Mission #7: Slaying Ravana
2:41:57 - 242nd Suicide Kings introduction
2:47:26 - Mission #8: The Sixth Wonder
3:02:20 - Cutscene: GTVA Colossus
3:04:45 - Mission #9: Into the Maelstrom
3:23:03 - Mission #10: Feint! Parry! Riposti!
4:01:24 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 04:50:15 pm
I took the time to grab some screens of the great text bits from the Colossus movie for everyone's perusal.

https://imgur.com/a/wm7czJe
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Strygon on June 27, 2021, 05:00:30 pm
I remember the fun I had writing the blueprint text while progressively going crazier over several bottles of beer and the fact that Volition insisted on highlighting the Colossus' antenna in every blueprint.

Read them in order and you can see me slowly losing my mind trying to describe it.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/519220662640836631/858829309305290752/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 27, 2021, 09:30:29 pm
Redmagejoe, have you played the FreeSpace 2 Demo?  It has two missions that were made by Volition but aren't part of the main campaign.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 28, 2021, 08:39:00 am
I have not, but if/when I decide to tackle the single missions of FreeSpace 1 / Silent Threat / FreeSpace 2 GOTY, I may do that. If I end up having the FreeSpace 2 series last stream run really short, I could maybe do some of that. I'm trying to find a good place to nestle those missions I really want to do in.

I may actually dedicate an entire session to these missions as well, as I've been contacted by the creator of Memories of the Great War about my timeline on it. I believe that he's refurbishing it and it would be ideal that it's ready by the time I do my playthrough. I'd like to work with him on that, so July 18th's session is tentative as to what it will be about.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 28, 2021, 01:46:53 pm
I think it is worth to mention that at this point in time Exile, as great of a play as it is, is being rewritten by Su-Tehp. I think it'd be nice to know of the timeline on this too, because if the end of the works is close by, maybe it'd be worth to wait a bit on that.

Also, to add to your list: Sol: A History is a great campaign that works as a prequel for Inferno. Takes place over the course of events starting from the last mission of FS1 and ending a bit after FS2, I think.


Edit: also, a couple resources I'd like to link to you. One, the Colossus cutscene text crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96788.0), two, the Colossus cutscene logos crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96792.0), three, HLP Wiki screenshot repository (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Screenshots). There's (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97106.0) also (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96958.0) a bunch of (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96884.0) screenshot (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96700.0) contest (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96605.0) topics (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96420.0).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 28, 2021, 02:22:54 pm
I'll hold off on sticking Exile in the list then until I can potentially get a rough timeline from Su-Tehp. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 28, 2021, 07:53:05 pm
Hey there, I just happened to come around before the stream and had a moment to post.

Firstly I just need to say that it's been a lot of fun to be around and laugh at your reactions, random stuff happening ingame and cringe a bit at the gameplay :P (nah that's fine, I'm just a person terminally glued to Insane difficulty)


As for the campaigns, I guess I can share a bit of experiences.

Generally speaking, mods rarely have functional voice acting in place. As for the gameplay, there is a quite noticeable trend in the old mods (that weren't upgraded much by now) that their gameplay is often seen as quite a bit tedious - not to offend the modders of old, but back then the idea of more content did consist in a significant part from more shooting, which was done by sending more enemy waves. I think it's a thing worth considering later on.

As for the list, a couple corrections. One, Solaris is a fully independent universe from Freespace. Basically the only thing it shares with Freespace is the engine. Which in no way detracts from the experience, of course.
Aftermath Reboot takes place 7 years after FS2... it even has a massive banner with that written lol
Aftermath Reboot 2 is known to have been... problematic with its balance. I think someone who has played both parts recently should stand up and comment on how both are feasible to play right now.

Also, your list mixes in a lot of different types of works. There are massive mods (Blue Planet, Aftermath Reboot, Ancient-Shivan War) that consist of similar amounts or more content than FS1 or FS2, and there's a bunch of minicampaigns (for example Walls Closing, or Eyebleach) that are only 4 missions long. And of course a bunch of things in between. But I guess the decisions will come up when you're progressively pushing through the content.

Another important part regarding mods is about copyright issues regarding their music. I'm not sure how that applies to streams, but I vaguely recall that for example, Vassago's Dirge music was at some point copyrighted which resulted in people needing to take down their gameplay videos, or something along the lines. Someone more competent in this regard would need to speak up but I'd like to mention this right now, to keep in mind for later.

As for different mods, remember that there are total conversions - which take place in a different universe than Freespace. Beyond the Red Line, Diaspora and Adversary are from Battlestar Galactica, there's Wing Commander Saga, The Babylon Project and something more that escapes me at the moment. There's also a custom universe of The Antagonist and Burning Heaven which both are quite interesting and even voice acted.

Also there are a couple mods that make significant changes to how you play the game as a whole. There's of course Trimurti because Shivans and gameplay more on instinct than anything else There's Bem Cavalgar, which I hear has a massive factor of resource management between missions and making tradeoffs. A couple other things you could try later on are SHUMPspace (a 2D scroll shooter) and Windmills (a strategy game inside Freespace). There are some mods that in some place give you control over a capital ship, too. Of course there's a bunch of other things you can try which I forgot or never known about. :P


Beyond that, HLP has a Discord server (https://discord.gg/QFdueKEYrN) which I would encourage you to take a peek at. There's a lot of activity in there, an actual announcement system for new mod updates, and I think you could count on some mod dev joining up to provide some developer commentary while at that.


Re: issue - try navigating to MediaVPs mod tile, extending the dropdown menu, hitting "Modify", marking all packages and letting Knossos download them. There's a couple of packages with cutscenes and I guess this could possibly help.

Initially, The Blue Guardian (aka Aftermath 2) was a lot more difficult.  However, the most recent update Herkie made to it reduced the difficulty noticeably.  It's still a bit harder than Aftermath:  Reboot, but more manageable now.  I've played both and would say they're playable now.


As for a couple minor details (to you and redmagejoe):

Aftermath:  Reboot begins in 2370, three years after Capella/FS2.  I haven't seen any banners that say seven years whereas most of the ones I've seen say three.  That's how Herkie intended it anyways.

Aftermath 2:  The Blue Guardian starts about six months after the end of Aftermath:  Reboot.  In terms of the overall timeline (in reference to FS2), it takes place in 2372 which would be about five years after FS2.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 29, 2021, 08:00:14 am
I've made more additions and, based on CT's input, decided to rearrange and sneak Aftermath earlier into the list.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 29, 2021, 11:51:20 am
@CT27: Oh, I might have misremembered the timeline then.

Also for a general warning, I'd like to suggest that Aftermath Reboot should be taken... with a bunch of salt. At least the early parts. Also the later parts have some really satisfying missions, even if not very fancy, mechanically or storytelling wise.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 30, 2021, 03:33:00 pm
I'm excited to announce that the first video in the playlist has crossed YouTube's 301 view threshold for being eligible for the algorithm! :D

Thank you all for your continued viewership and support. Please tell any friends who might enjoy the game or streamers in general to give the series a look so that our passion for this game can reach an even broader audience.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 02, 2021, 01:50:02 pm
This is really nice. Keep going! :D

As for other things that Might be interesting for you, you could also consider using the Jaded's FS2 mod thingy. I don't think it needs restarting the campaign, too, but I'm not sure. What it introduces is most importantly the HUD icon script (thread with a couple screens and a video (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97207.0)) and the screencam script (lets you pause the game and roam your camera around freely for the best screenshot experience). There's also a set of radar icons for your standard radar, but I don't really know much about how it is executed differently from my own attempt some time back.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 04, 2021, 01:24:53 am
Joshua Richards on YouTube was kind enough to comment letting me know that he'd spoken directly to Goober5000 about Secret Recovery in Silent Threat, and perhaps there is some investigation or playtesting to see what the hubbub is. Hoping it's something relatively simple. I decided to give the mission a try again today on Medium, and sure enough, it's brutal. For science, I'm now going to give it a try on Easy before getting some sleep prior to tomorrow's stream.

On that note, I hope you're all looking forward to the SOC Loop. :P

EDIT: Nope, just as stupid on Easy, except I can actually make it through about 3 waves before I get overwhelmed and Epsilon 1 gets wiped out despite seemingly having all fire focused on me. It's weird, too, because I thought it was going pretty well up to that point. Maybe 2.5 minutes before things went to ****.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 04, 2021, 06:20:47 am
In the meanwhile, I have quickly put together a couple table hacks for you. You should put these files into <mod library>/FS2/data/tables (create directory if needed). This should apply the changes to every mod you play regardless of the version of MVPS you use.

The Ai_profiles.tbl file has a flag that fixes the issue with shields randomly being penetrated, and the Game_settings.tbl file has an extra from me, in this file I scaled down the pain flashes a little bit (found them to be a little obstructive) and enabled the shield pain flashes at a similar intensity. That means that when you are hit against your shields, your screen will flash blue in Terran and yellow in Vasudan fighters.

With the couple improvements here and the bunch of things I tossed at you earlier in this topic, I hope I gave you a bunch of resources to improve the quality of your streams.

Just in case, test these out before the stream and remember that the forum attachments disappear after a couple days.

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Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 04, 2021, 07:55:36 pm
I cannot for the life of me find any way to force Knossos to download new builds of FSO. Even if I go and get the nightly build myself and manually create the directory structure (which is probably named wrong anyway), it will not recognize that the build exists. FSOInstaller is out of date as well.

Is there no streamlined way to update FSO builds?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: TopAce on July 04, 2021, 08:22:22 pm
Normally, you wouldn't want to have the latest Nightly through Knossos. Every mod has its own tried-and-true version it was tested on. It comes down the mod's download.

If you want the latest Nightly anyway, just run it through wxLauncher. This method works really well, trust me, that's how I FRED for Fate of the Galaxy.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 04, 2021, 08:33:29 pm
Ah, I was mostly trying to take advantage of control5 (or whatever it was called Mito was talking about on-stream), but I'd rather not tamper with my setup if 21.3 will eventually hit stable anyway. I'm just really eager for the global configurations, but I'll try to sit on my hands for now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 05, 2021, 01:08:49 am
Can you download the latest nightly, rename it to match the file in knossos, then copy /paste thr nightly over it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2021, 01:11:26 am
I did that at first, but it felt very "hacky", so I've decided to just sit on my hands for now and exercise patience. A daunting task for me, to be sure. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 05, 2021, 10:19:01 am
Stumps. Also I watched that part with the Tiamat in slow-mo. Your support ship drifted right into your line of fire and sat there getting pummeled by Tempests lol

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0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:04:19 - SOC Mission #1: Rebels & Renegades
0:23:06 - SOC Mission #2: Love the Treason...
0:43:33 - SOC Mission #3: ...But Hate the Traitor
0:52:27 - Mission #1: Battle of the Wilderness
1:19:10 - Mission #2: A Game of TAG
1:34:56 - Mission #3: Proving Grounds
1:56:35 - ALL UNITS, TERMINATE THE TRAITOR!
2:14:00 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 2
2:15:40 - Mission #4: The King's Gambit
2:34:32 - Mission #5: The Sicilian Defense
2:44:29 - Mission #6: Endgame
2:53:20 - Avoid the beam and you won't get hit, pilot!
2:59:41 - Mission #7: The Fog of War
3:16:14 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 3
3:17:47 - Mission #8: A Monster in the Mist
3:33:54 - Mission #9: Speaking in Tongues
3:53:03 - Mission #10: A Flaming Sword
4:06:46 - Post-Stream Banter

Regarding nightlies. Make sure you have "Show Engines Builds in Mod List" ticked on in Settings>Knossos, and make sure you're checking for the new builds in the FSO mod via the Explore tab.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 05, 2021, 01:57:53 pm
Joshua Richards on YouTube was kind enough to comment letting me know that he'd spoken directly to Goober5000 about Secret Recovery in Silent Threat, and perhaps there is some investigation or playtesting to see what the hubbub is. Hoping it's something relatively simple. I decided to give the mission a try again today on Medium, and sure enough, it's brutal. For science, I'm now going to give it a try on Easy before getting some sleep prior to tomorrow's stream.

Colt and I did a bunch of testing on Secret Recovery, and I even fired up FS1+ST to try the original version.  We didn't find a smoking gun (although Colt did find an unrelated mission bug that only affected FS2 retail).  But one significant finding was that the original FS1+ST mission was almost as bad.  It was really difficult to complete the mission, and I kept either getting killed or losing Epsilon 1.

I did notice that the enemy target selection was fairer in FS1+ST, because the Thoths weren't always ganging up on me.  But I don't know what parts of the AI code could have affected that.

(It's also worth noting that, because of the improvements to missile tracking in the FS2 engine, the mission would be harder even if the AI were identical.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 05, 2021, 02:05:28 pm
I should've explained this earlier but to be frank, I didn't expect you to rush into this immediately. So, that's how you do it:

Enter Knossos settings (gear icon in the topright corner), and in 'Knossos' section, change "Preferred engine stability" to Nightlies and mark the "Show engine builds in mod list" checkbox, hit Save, and go to Explore tab. Locate the FSO mod, and hit Update. (If you for some reason want to grab a specific, not the latest build, you only need to enter the "Details" page, change the version in the top left corner, and then hit Install. You could technically install every single previous build that way. But for you, just the latest should suffice, I think.) Once the downloading proccess is done, if you navigate to any mod's FSO Settings, you should have a new build to choose. You might need to carry over the settings, though (although there's a handy "Global flags" section in Knossos settings, with just as handy of a "Apply to all" button.

Although for the insight on how to use the improvements, I'd rather have someone from the FSO dev tam hop in with a quick explanation.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2021, 04:25:39 pm
Thanks guys! I didn't even know what that checkbox was about when I first set up Knossos. Running on the latest nightly now (and not necessarily going to update every night because I know how YMMV that can be in development when you need a stable platform). I too will wait with bated breath before touching things to see if someone more knowledgeable about the global control configs drops by.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on July 05, 2021, 07:01:39 pm
Colt and I did a bunch of testing on Secret Recovery, and I even fired up FS1+ST to try the original version.  We didn't find a smoking gun (although Colt did find an unrelated mission bug that only affected FS2 retail).  But one significant finding was that the original FS1+ST mission was almost as bad.  It was really difficult to complete the mission, and I kept either getting killed or losing Epsilon 1.

I did notice that the enemy target selection was fairer in FS1+ST, because the Thoths weren't always ganging up on me.  But I don't know what parts of the AI code could have affected that.

(It's also worth noting that, because of the improvements to missile tracking in the FS2 engine, the mission would be harder even if the AI were identical.)
When I last played through the Port a couple of years ago, I made myself suffer through the original ST, and I found a few of the missions to be substantially easier compared to retail FS1, with Secret Recovery being one of them. I wound up swapping to a Zeus, and I was surprised at how easy it was to deal with the Thoths on Medium. It could have just been the missile tracking helping my wingmen be more effective.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 05, 2021, 07:33:17 pm
Would you consider two more campaign suggestions to do at some point?

Fall Of Epsilon Pegasi (during FS2)
Warzone (four years after FS2)

Both of those are generally well liked around here I believe.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2021, 10:03:53 pm
I've added Warzone and Fall of Epsilon Pegasi to the maybe list. More info on them from other members would be helpful. Also, if someone wants to look over the current list and see if I've missed any high quality must plays, let me know.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 05, 2021, 11:07:18 pm
I've added Warzone and Fall of Epsilon Pegasi to the maybe list. More info on them from other members would be helpful. Also, if someone wants to look over the current list and see if I've missed any high quality must plays, let me know.
Both of these are good campaigns.

JtEP is set during FS2, right before the Colossus is deployed at Enif Station. It features a mix of VA and TTS, but more of the former iirc. It's around 10 missions long.

Warzone is a fully VA'd campaign that takes place 4 years after FS2 and is set in the same continuity as Derelict (though oddly the events of Warzone aren't mentioned in Derelict). I haven't checked, but I've heard Warzone is bugged and awaiting a checkup. It's got a length of 19 missions.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 06, 2021, 12:49:59 am
I may have slipped up on my timelining based on events "during" FreeSpace or FreeSpace 2, so if anyone sees anything out of place or overlapping in a weird way, let me know. I'd like to have things during the game timelines sort of flow logically. Of course I guess we could also just do it Monogatari style and throw chronology out the window. :p
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 09, 2021, 11:05:08 am
Also curious: Is there any reason to keep older versions of mods lying around in my install library of Knossos? Do mods rely on specific versions as dependencies or simply check for the latest version? I'd like to clean up some of the excess if possible.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: TopAce on July 09, 2021, 07:43:20 pm
Dependencies are set by the mod's uploader. I can be either a specific version (which must be on Knossos as well in order to set the option properly) or simply require the latest. From my experience, it's mostly the former. They're usually main release builds (21.2.0 official for example). Ideally, the uploader/"caretaker" of the old mod is aware there can be errors simply by selecting the best and brightest build for and old campaign, and made sure the mod and its dependencies are compatible. If not, then you're likely to run into problems. Some may be odd behavior, but showstoppers as well.

As far as MediaVPs go, they're the same thing. Except in this case, having many different MediaVPs versions around for the lots and lots of mods you have will eat up more of your HD space than you may prefer.   
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 10, 2021, 03:54:16 pm
Advisory, advisory: there is a bug in recent nightlies that makes locking onto Sathanas' upper main beam cannons with missiles impossible. From what I've gathered, this should get fixed in today's nightly so I think you should update once again before the stream, or just do Bearbaiting and the following mission with the use of 21.2 stable.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 10, 2021, 04:54:52 pm
I'll keep an eye on this. Could you keep me posted after the nightly drops if the issue has been resolved? If I don't hear feedback before tomorrow, I'll probably just run off of 21.2.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 11, 2021, 08:41:58 am
Looks like the nightly build with the fix has just been committed, it should be available in Knossos in a moment. Not sure if I'll have the time for a quick test before the stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 11, 2021, 09:39:20 am
The nightly is available now and a quick test suggests all is fine now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 12, 2021, 02:58:47 pm
Timestamps! Also a bit of a warning, but I just noticed that I goofed with last weeks' timestamps. I listed missions 11-20 as 1-10.  :nervous:

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0:02:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:07:24 - Mission #21: Bearbaiting
0:08:57 - BEAM
0:48:06 - Mission #22: High Noon
0:57:45 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 4
0:59:30 - Mission #23: Return to Babel
1:20:40 - Mission #24: Straight, No Chaser
1:28:19 - OH LAWD SHE COMIN'
1:30:45 - Mission #25: Argonautica
1:50:46 - SOC Mission #4: As Lightning Fall
2:18:56 - SOC Mission #5: Into the Lion's Den
2:24:05 - Snipes says the line!
2:48:51 - Mission #26: Exodus
3:33:01 - Mission #27: Dunkerque
3:52:09 - Mission #28: Their Finest Hour
4:11:48 - Mission #29: Clash of the Titans II
4:28:14 - Cutscene: Bastion Dies
4:29:17 - Mission #30: Apocalypse
4:43:52 - Cutscene: Endgame
4:46:17 - Cutscene: FreeSpace 2 Ending (Alpha 1 stays behind)
4:47:35 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 12, 2021, 07:21:32 pm
Thanks again, Colt! I went ahead and changed those. Don't feel bad about it, I waited way too long to put the timestamps on the previous stream and didn't notice until I was touching up the one we just did, and then i went and confused myself on the YouTube Studio interface and put them on the wrong video like, 3 times.

Also, while playing through FreeSpace 2 to brush up on my play before next week, I decided to push myself to the limit and try to earn some medals, but also to do some investigation into behind the scenes behavior. So without further ado...

FUN FACTS:


Also, I recorded a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHRvPraRTYQ
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on July 13, 2021, 02:59:22 pm
Another addition to the recommended mods (Mind you, didnt finish myself): Frontlines! Takes place before the events of Freespace 1, so during the Terran-Vasudan War. My experience was a difficulty hellscape but that's due to the limitations of the era it's based on.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2021, 04:07:05 pm
Added. I think I've got my timeline more or less right. Does anyone have anything to say about The Great War: Vasudan Imperium? Also, I could use some "yays" or "nays" on Bem Cavalgar, SHMUPspace, and Windmills in terms of quality/enjoyability. I understand they're fundamentally different experiences, and I'd like to show off people's passion projects, but I'd also like to be sure it's something not only I would enjoy, but that people would enjoy watching.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Strygon on July 13, 2021, 04:10:18 pm
SHMUPspace is quite tricky but if you have any degree of experience with sidescrolling shooters you should be fine. Windmills seems more like both a tech demo and psychological not-quite-horror-but-it-gets-you-thinking kind of thing, which makes it a bit of a wildcard on whether it'll actually be good streaming material or not.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on July 13, 2021, 04:37:11 pm
SHMUPspace would be pretty neat to show off, if just to say 'i cant believe ths is FSO!' - Yay
windmills is far too short and far too disconnected for good stream material - Nay
i havent played bem cavalgar but ive heard decent takes on it
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2021, 04:41:45 pm
Updated first post. Mito suggested those three, so I'm curious how he feels about the streamability. I'm sure Windmills is something I should play just for the experience off-stream, so maybe I'll do that at some point if it doesn't turn out to be stream-worthy.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 13, 2021, 05:21:36 pm
Out of these three, Windmills is actually the only one I've played in any capacity, but that was a really long time ago, so very blurry memories. Generally, it's what happens when someone wishes to make a real time strategy game in Freespace engine and universe, mostly using the communications menu to interact. Might be pretty boring for a stream, but I think you could at some point make one stream about how people bent FSO as far as crossing the genre borders, starring Windmills, too. But I think you should give it a play before that happens, maybe you'll find something fun in it that I didn't, or that I just forgot about over that time.

While I didn't play SHUMPspace, from what I've seen about it, it might be decent stream material, given its shoot-em-up nature. I think it's also pretty short, so it might be a part of some combo stream?

As for Bem Cavalgar, from what I know about it, it's one of these deadly serious campaigns that actually give you a capacity to make imporant choices, with a bunch of moral grayscale. For example, you can either go and secure resources to replenish your dwindling weapons accessibility, or save a civilian convoy fleeing from a fleet of murderous Shivans. Which one do you choose?

If it reads like I've got nothing specific on these, that's because I don't. My interactions were either non-existant or too far back to recall. So I'm looking forward to seeing these in your streams at some point too.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2021, 07:18:11 pm
I read some 2017 complaints about Bem Cavalgar, and see the last update on it was 2018. I'll try playing it a bit off-stream to see if this issues still exist, as I wouldn't want to feature a tedious campaign with high TTK on stream and put people to sleep. I will also test Windmills off-stream, and I've added SHMUPSpace to the list.

EDIT: Off to a good start. Last update on Windmills was almost 3 years ago, so...

(https://i.imgur.com/U52alt1.png)

Aaaaaaaaand crash. Couldn't load GTF Myrmidon. I guess we're NOT playing Windmills. That should probably be removed from Knossos pending a fix/cleanup. Does anyone have any info on what about Warzone is bugged, or would it be fine to add to the list?

Unrelated question: By choosing to pick up the remixed music for the FSPort, does it replace all the classic enhanced music in missions, or does one have to choose a setting somewhere... Or are they intermingled and used at different times within the same campaign? I usually untick remix in mod installs, but I chose to modify the FSPort MediaVP to download the remixes, then noticed that Fortress played in Eve of Destruction when the Vasudans jumped in, rather than the remix I've listened to on YouTube. Not complaining, just curious specifically how the remixed music is used, if it's on a mod-by-mod basis or somesuch.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Admiral Nelson on July 14, 2021, 07:48:59 am
Hi there, I authored both the Windmills and Warzone fixes.  I can see that the errors with Windmills seem to be coming not from Windmills itself but from sound tables in the old version of the MediaVPs the Knossos version is associated with.  At some point SCP became stricter in compliing tables, so Windmills will probably work with an older SCP build.  Although I made the last release of Windmills, I didn't upload it to Knossos, so I don't have access to it there to review in detail.

I do have a fixed version of Warzone that has a few bits of feedback I haven't had time to finish.  If you would like to play that one I can give you access to that dev version.  The feedback I have left on it is really small and shouldn't impact the gameplay much.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 14, 2021, 10:15:07 am
Hey there, Admiral Nelson! Love your work on Silent Threat: Reborn. :)

I'd love to add Warzone to my list, so whatever build is available for play. Though given when Warzone happens on the timeline, I probably won't get to it specifically for a few months at least, so whatever finishing touches are needed for a stable release will probably be done by the time I pick it up.

Also, Su-Tehp responded to my reaching out and says he was just thinking of picking up development on Exile again after finishing with another project that had his time and attention. Based on the given timeline and his ETA, I can probably be playing the rewritten version of Exile by the time it comes around in the stream schedule sometime early next year.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Admiral Nelson on July 14, 2021, 10:28:30 am
OK, I'll take the time to fix the few issues left with Warzone properly.

Meanwhile, ngld kindly gave me access to the Knossos version of Windmills.  I have fixed the issue you noticed, so feel free to give it a try.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 14, 2021, 07:17:58 pm
So I spent about an hour on Windmills, and... yeah... It's certainly interesting. Avant garde in a way. But I don't think it would make very good stream material. Incredibly quiet, hauntingly so, and it could become tedious.

I definitely admire the experimental approach, I just think it's something a player would enjoy, but not an audience. I'll play through it at least.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 14, 2021, 11:47:07 pm
Does anyone have anything to say about The Great War: Vasudan Imperium?

It's FS1 from the Vasudan perspective.  It's pretty good, but only the first third of the campaign is complete.


Unrelated question: By choosing to pick up the remixed music for the FSPort, does it replace all the classic enhanced music in missions, or does one have to choose a setting somewhere... Or are they intermingled and used at different times within the same campaign? I usually untick remix in mod installs, but I chose to modify the FSPort MediaVP to download the remixes, then noticed that Fortress played in Eve of Destruction when the Vasudans jumped in, rather than the remix I've listened to on YouTube. Not complaining, just curious specifically how the remixed music is used, if it's on a mod-by-mod basis or somesuch.

If you download the remix pack AND the enhanced music pack, they will conflict with one another and you might get inconsistent results.  Pick one or the other.  (The new version of Knossos under development will have a "pick only one option" feature.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 15, 2021, 04:01:38 am
Bummer. I kind of wanted to have the enhanced music for FreeSpace Port and maybe give Silent Threat: Reborn and other fan campaigns that use FreeSpace music the remix treatment. Ah well, I'll just uninstall the remixes then.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 20, 2021, 12:24:36 pm
Incoming jump signature! Designation timestamps!
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**********FreeSpace 2 Demo**********
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:03:26 - Mission #1: Crimson Sky
0:15:32 - Mission #2: Crisis in Capella
**********FreeSpace 2 Single Missions**********
0:54:36 - Mission #1: Calm before the Storm
1:27:55 - Mission #2: Excellence Under Fire
1:46:06 - Mission #3: Greyface
1:56:28 - Mission #4: Nekhbet (Neyck-bet)
2:17:28 - Mission #5: One Step Too Far
2:32:36 - IT MOVES
2:57:43 - Mission #6: Rites of Passage
3:08:44 - Plot Device
3:22:30 - Mission #7: The Queen (Incomplete)
3:33:04 - Command Cracks
3:39:33 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 21, 2021, 01:17:12 am
By the way, the briefing icon showing a Fenris instead of a planet is a bug in FSO.  This is also what caused the briefing in the last mission of ST:R to display an extra Orion instead of a planet.  A fix is in the works.

That's one unexpected side effect of these streams -- discovering new bugs in FSO that need fixing. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 21, 2021, 03:59:54 am
Glad I could help then. :P

I decided to practice that mission I left off on today, and upon pulling up Knossos, I noticed that Inferno Nostos and The Scroll of Atankharzim both got updates. :o
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 22, 2021, 03:52:11 pm
In practice news, "The Queen" is a ***** of a mission, even if you're an RTS god. I worked out the perfect dozens of commands in the first few minutes to have cruisers picked off while I take out that under-engine beam turret on the destroyer that rips the corvette apart, and can take out the beam turrets on the Sobek and take it down before the Knight even reaches 90%. Yet no matter what I try, by the time the Sobek goes down and the destroyer is just limping along, the crossfire and enemy fighters are suddenly dialed up to eleven so that within 20 seconds all my wingmen are obliterated, leaving me as the only slow, defenseless target to get pummeled from 95% down to 0. So essentially, I can destroy all of the capital ships, but surviving is another issue.

I cheated and got through to the end to read debriefing, and it mentions that the Sobek was not a priority in recommendations, even though they still gave me a pat on the back. So my next strategy is to try taking out the destroyer before the Sobek, since it drops pretty quickly once all focus is on it, and that's where all the enemy fighters come from. I've been neutering the destroyer by taking out its Weapons subsystem after the beam turret, so it becomes a sitting duck. It may be that the issue is that so long as it exists, the fighter wings pose the biggest threat. I will give that a try and see if the Knight can just tank the Sobek's yellow beams for another minute.

UPDATE: Okay, a bit more micro-managing of wingmen made this more feasible, as well as putting Beta in some Herc IIs. Calling in reinforcements as soon as you get them is still a must, as I believe what's happening is the Sobek's flak begins to tear up fighters since by that time in the mission, it's right on top of the Knight and we're forced to fight in the middle of a flak field regardless which of the two remaining ships we choose to go for. I got all objectives completed though, and then at the end the Knight took "severe damage" from a stray bomber. What a headache of a mission this is. Hopefully we can get it in one go on stream this Sunday.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 23, 2021, 01:03:05 pm
If maxims are available...

Maxims eat subsystems at long range.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 23, 2021, 01:05:17 pm
Maxims are precisely what I'm using for the bombers, myself included. Taking out cruisers and subsystems at a range isn't an issue, it's the limited window in which to take out a dozen subsystems across a destroyer and a corvette while also not getting eaten by 5 wings of fighters.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 24, 2021, 05:08:58 am
So, a suggestion. How about you tried these (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97207.0) out? See the video further down the topic for reference (although: spoilers).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 24, 2021, 01:56:54 pm
I have looked at those in the past, and while there's a very strong desire to use them for the sake of improving situational awareness, there's a conflict within me between immersion (having limited visibility in the nebula, that feeling of not knowing what you're dealing with until you're staring right at it, etc) and making it easier for my ADHD-addled mind to have as many aids as possible in the heat of battle. It's both a blessing in game environments like this and a curse at all times, having my mind jump between several tasks in the heat of battle, but never holding onto the thought long enough to not be surprised by it 15 seconds later when it becomes a problem. :|

I'll give it further consideration, because honestly those would be really helpful, no argument there.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 24, 2021, 04:42:54 pm
It's configurable. You can change the icon sizes and how they are fading away - by default, they fade away when near the center of the screen and when the objects responsible for them are close enough to the player. You can tweak both values, as explained in Lafiel's post.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 25, 2021, 02:58:28 pm
I'll need to leave the attempt of yoinking the message box script from somewhere to sometime later because everything is ****ed and also something is on fire I'm experiencing technical difficulties. Or maybe you, Colt, could pack your own version and toss it here, if I could ask for that from you. Sorry!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 25, 2021, 03:12:31 pm
All good. I updated my information for people who want to get ahold of me.

I tried out the radar icons, and ran into a number of issues with them on 21.2.0 ... The game hung as it tried to load from briefing into mission, and then I had several stutters during gameplay as if it was trying to load the icons. Furthermore, new ships that came in, bombers, were not displaying icons at all. This was tested on the final mission of FreeSpace 2 with latest MediaVPs.

Also, even doing Apocalypse and getting the "Alpha 1 survived" ending, it doesn't "end" the FS2 campaign and lets you play the mission again. It also doesn't add any score whatsoever for that mission to my pilot profile, making any kills in that mission worthless. Is that retail behavior? I could have sworn that it had the same "this campaign is over" behavior as any other campaign. Is a flag not being set that the mission is cleared, or something?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 26, 2021, 01:06:39 am
In retail FS2, you could replay the final mission as many times as you wanted without ending the campaign.  The only way to actually get the "this campaign is over" dialog is to save Capella (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=450.0).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 26, 2021, 04:35:39 pm
I was disappointed I couldn't just farm the SC Thanatos for rank. Ended my current run of FreeSpace 2 at 95,040 score. :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 27, 2021, 12:06:42 pm
If my help is still needed, I'll see what I can do. :yes:

also STAMPS
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********** FreeSpace 2 Single Missions **********
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:02:58 - Mission #7: The Queen
0:42:01 - Mission #8: The Trap
1:07:23 - Mission #9: Third Coming
1:38:45 - Mission #10: Third Watch
2:06:08 - Mission #11: To Destroy or Not To Destroy

********** FreeSpace Port Single Missions **********
2:46:40 - Mission #1: Eve of Destruction Redux
2:52:42 - Mission #2: The Great Escape
3:11:32 - Mission #3: Black Knight
3:30:16 - Mission #4: Crippler
3:39:58 - Mission #5: Deception
3:55:18 - Mission #6: Dead in the Water
4:06:10 - Post-Stream Banter (Incomplete)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 28, 2021, 10:11:23 am
I don't know what changed, but the radar icons stopped being moody. And I'd still appreciate help with getting the message box script.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 31, 2021, 07:15:07 pm
I upgraded my OBS setup to Streamlabs OBS and played around with settings to improve my engagement with the viewers. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a feasible way for me to have the chat overlay without it being terribly obtrusive by virtue of how ugly the YouTube live chat interface is. The overlay doesn't take messages and run them through its own transparent medium, but rather essentially "mirrors" the YouTube live chat. Fortunately, I was able to get YouTube live chat to show up as part of Streamlabs OBS, and even moved it to the left side of the screen. Now my chat is directly next to the edge of the monitor I'm playing the game on, so it's at least more within peripheral vision.

I even tried messing with custom CSS, but alas, that's only useful for things that will be visible on the stream/VOD, but not to me while playing. If anyone has an idea of how one could go about directly modifying the way the overlay is handled by Streamlabs OBS, I'd be all ears. My plan had been to nestle chat in the little space between my ship's shield quadrants display and the energy balance gauges on the right.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 01, 2021, 11:01:40 am
Caught something on the stream  :p

(http://imgur.com/4vNzzXH.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 01, 2021, 08:23:03 pm
I'm beginning to suspect the game is slowly escalating the upsetting things it throws at me in a gradual push to destroy the last of my sanity.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 01, 2021, 09:09:19 pm
So while doing Silent Threat Single Missions in the FSPort + MediaVPs today on stream, I noticed that the shield penetration bug was happening. I had the fix applied to library/FS2/data, but it seems this only applies to FreeSpace 2 itself. Upon further testing, I found that this fix worked if I pasted things directly into the FreeSpace MediaVPs directories, since everything seems to use that as a base, but it begs the question if that's the only "universal" way to apply modifications/scripts.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 06, 2021, 10:39:39 am
Got some (very late) timestamps!

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********** Silent Threat Single Missions **********
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:05:00 - Mission #6: Dead in the Water
0:27:58 - Mission #14: Order of the Eye
0:41:50 - Inconvenient Shivans 1
1:03:19 - Mission #15: Fortress
1:13:12 - Mission #16: Test of Honor
1:19:08 - Inconvenient Shivans 2
1:28:38 - Mission #17: Hunted
1:31:25 - Joe hates rocks
1:40:24 - Inconvenient Shivans 3
1:49:36 - Mission #18: The Master of Illusion
2:06:51 - Mission #19: Into the Fire
2:20:26 - Mission #20: Loner
2:33:00 - Mission #21: The Manhattan Project
2:44:35 - Joe breaks the mission
2:50:13 - Mission #22: Red Herring
3:18:59 - Mission #23: Roadkill
3:27:17 - Inconvenient Shivans 4
3:34:15 - Mission #24: The Sands of Normandy
3:56:00 - Bonk
3:57:20 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 06, 2021, 03:52:11 pm
Much appreciated my dude. I think last week's episode was probably the most mind-rending of my series thus far. I only give thanks that after this next session I'll (hopefully) never have to deal with such imbalanced, amateur garbage ever again.

... Right? :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 07, 2021, 11:05:47 pm
I'm surprised how poorly those missions aged.  (Or maybe it's FS1 vs FSO balance affecting gameplay again.)  I'll have to replay them on my copy of FS1; it's been a few years.

Order of the Eye, in particular, was made by Peter Drake, an important contributor in the very early days of FS modding.  He created several missions and wrote the documentation for FRED and FRED2.  And Order of the Eye was itself the source for a FRED tutorial (https://web.archive.org/web/20040824223949/http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fs1/fred/using/mission.shtml).

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This mission will involve an attack on a Shivan cargo depot. The GTA hopes to destroy most of the cargo, but steal one container full of warp coils. Furthermore, some Vasudan holy warriors, the Order of the Eye, are debating whether to join the Terran/Vasudan alliance or the Hammer of Light.

Unbeknownst to the GTA, the cargo depot is bait for a trap. When the Terran freighter tries to make off with the warp coils, a Shivan cruiser will jump in to intercept it. The Terrans will jump in a cruiser of their own, and then the Shivans will bring in two more.

The climactic issue of the mission is whether the Terrans can destroy one of the Shivan cruisers before their own is taken out. If so, the Order of the Eye will join them. Otherwise, the Order will join up with the Hammer of Light.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 07, 2021, 11:15:15 pm
I'm certainly not undermining the importance of the original missions to the legacy of FreeSpace and the like. I just know that what I played, engine and all, went the way it went on camera. :P

At the very least, I'm hoping it was entertaining to the audience! For now, I'm heading to sleep to be rested for tomorrow's stream. Hope to see you all there!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 05:09:31 am
Meanwhile, I have at last managed to clobber together a functional setup for the message box. Catch a zip file (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/873870180369965066/Msgbox.zip).

There are two versions of the configs I made: one locates the box above the reticle, and the other under it. There are also separate versions of each for FSPort, because if you place the config not specifically made for Freespace Port in its data folder, the HUD will break quite a bit.

How to install: grab the preferred version of the config without _fsport in its name, and just dump its "data" contents into your MVPS "data" folder. Then do the same for _fsport version, but toss it into mediavps-fsport instead.

Later on, this addition might come into conflict with mods that heavily reorganise the HUD, but if that happens, you can either remove the entire script and its config, remove just the mv_root-hdg.tbm file and end up with the head animation weirdly out of place, or alternatively, preparing a separate HUD config for such a mod should be a breeze for me now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 05:25:49 am
Six hours of sleep is good, right? Nah, I'll probably go back to sleep, but I saw I had mail.

I gave your thing a try on FreeSpace 2, Mito, and I got error messages out the asshole, back to back to back. Here's just one of the many errors it dumped to my clipboard, all of which involve axmsg-sct.tbm. I had to remove the files because it made missions unplayable, sadly.

Maybe you and Colt put your heads together on this since he's also been working on this via emails to me. In a perfect world, the head anims would stay in the top left. :P

Code: [Select]
LUA ERROR: [string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On Game Init"]:354: attempt to index field 'Position' (a nil value)

------------------------------------------------------------------

stack traceback:
[C]: ?
[string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On Game Init"]:354: in function 'DrawMessageBox'
[string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On Game Init"]:310: in function 'Draw'
[string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On HUD Draw"]:467: in main chunk
------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:27:02 am
Uh, you mean retail FS2, or the latest MediaVPs? God damn it I have no idea what's going wrong in here because I actually have this working in my MediaVPs, and this is just a copy of the files I have...

Also, whaaaaat? Moving the head anis is literally the thing I've been trying to do since last week.


EDIT: okay I seem to have forgotten to toss a couple files, dumb me. Please try it again with this zip (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/873890747722641458/Msgbox.zip).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 06:30:00 am
Looks like I'm wide awake now, because I had the audacity to upgrade Mjn's Main Halls and suddenly my mods say I'm "missing" them. So I'm in the process of reinstalling Main Halls from scratch in the hopes I can ****ing stream in 3.5 hours.

Anyway, I'm running on FSO 21.2 stable, and I tried running MVPS 4.4.2. I loaded up the NECK-BET mission, and immediately got over a dozen error messages. Head ani showed up down below the reticle, and every frame (after hitting Continue) I'd get another error message like it was happening while trying to draw a message box. I can go back and get you each and every error if that would help?

EDIT: Reinstalling didn't work. **** me, what do I do to fix this? I need a solution in 3 hours or less.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:33:42 am
See previous post for msgbox fix.

As for the mainhalls, gah. Looks like a package name changed for a reason and now everything relying on them will crash and burn. Stand by as I search for a quick and painless solution, even if temporary.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:38:07 am
Apologies for double posting.

In the mod.json file of any mod you want to play (that likely will be MVPS, FSPort and FSPort-mediavps for today), replace
Code: [Select]
                {
                    "id": "MjnMHs",
                    "version": null,
                    "packages": [
                        "aquitaine_com",
                        "aquitaine"
                    ]
                }
with
Code: [Select]
                {
                    "id": "MjnMHs",
                    "version": "1.4.3",
                    "packages": [
                        "aquitaine_com",
                        "aquitaine"
                    ]
                }
That will make sure to force the mods to work with the previous, verified version of Mainhalls I believe. Please check if this will work on MVPS while I look around if the rest of the FSPort bunch has similar issues.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 06:45:50 am
Okay, so... let's just in theory say I no longer have 1.4.3. I'm also aware that it's like, 4gb so it's not exactly easy to share... What do?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:48:39 am
In Explore, you can navigate to Mjn's Mainhalls mod, enter Details, in the topleft corner choose 1.4.3, and then hit Install. Should work.

Meanwhile, mod.json files for fsport-mediavps (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683081283303112739/873894243859578901/mod.json) and ST:R (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683081283303112739/873894553776709662/mod.json). Seems like Knossos will reject any attempt to Modify and likely Update these, but they should launch just fine.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 07:08:05 am
Nope, dropdown only shows me 1.4.4.

Don't suppose you know of a place where you could upload a ~4gb rar or 7z, do you? :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 07:10:32 am
It needs to be accessed from the Explore tab. From Home tab, you only get the installed versions, and Explore should show all versions available from Nebula.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 07:12:50 am
Aha, so it does. Alright then, I'll get this set up, and... try to get 2 more hours of sleep. At least I'll have a fun little rant to add to my planned pre-stream banter.

Thanks for all of your help, Mito. You're a life-saver.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 07:29:48 am
Don't write the bugs off yet! Stuff still might happen.

Also please give the fixed version of message box a quick run if you can, I was really dumb when packing the previous one! :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 08:01:59 am
Both games launch, testing stuff now. Would be really nice if someone could optimize the Radar Icons at some point so they don't make my game **** itself every time I load into a mission for the first time, every time I hit F4 or F2 in mission, and return from those menus. Loading every single icon seems too much, but I don't know that there's any way to check what icons are needed by the mission to load only those.

Message boxes work fantastically in FS2 MediaVPs. Don't know how I feel about the chat "history" being tiny. I worry about the narrative text being cut off by the generic wingman responses and then me having to squint to read it in the top left corner. I guess there's no perfect world, though. It would be nice if there was a way to separate scripted messages from generic responses and display them in separate places.

Well that's not good. FreeSpace Port MediaVPs crashed with the following:

Code: [Select]
Error: FreeSpace2.fc2(line 7)
Error: Unable to find ship class GTF Myrmidon in stuff_int_list!
File: parselo.cpp
Line: 312

Wasn't getting that before. Happens when I try to load NORMAL FreeSpace Port as well. What the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 08:19:17 am
While I can't do much in regards to radar icons seemingly caching a bunch of stuff, the font change in message boxes should be trivial. Navigate to data/config/axmessage.cfg, locate "Backlog": entry and change "Font": value to 3. 1 is the small font, 2 is the huge font, 3 is the medium sized font.

As for the crash, please grab a debug log. Something is obviously wrong here and I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 08, 2021, 09:58:51 am
Both games launch, testing stuff now. Would be really nice if someone could optimize the Radar Icons at some point so they don't make my game **** itself every time I load into a mission for the first time, every time I hit F4 or F2 in mission, and return from those menus. Loading every single icon seems too much, but I don't know that there's any way to check what icons are needed by the mission to load only those.
As far as I'm aware the thing that radar icons does that freezes the game up should ONLY happen the first time you launch ANY mission after starting the game, it shouldn't happen each mission and it defintely shouldn't happen for F4 or F2. But that doesn't mean it doesn't. Worth looking into, I've defintely noticed my F2 is taking a lot longer than it should and I hadn't made the connection to radar icons yet
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: jadeddragoon on August 08, 2021, 07:12:55 pm
Mito, Mito, he's our man! If he can't fix it, no one can! Gooooo MITO!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 09, 2021, 01:40:05 pm
Please don't make me blush.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 09, 2021, 06:25:56 pm
Can I make another suggestion to add on to the to-do list?

I would suggest the campaigns "Incursion" and "Return To Sol".   "Incursion" is the first part and "Return To Sol" is the sequel.  I believe if you download the file on Knossos it should have the option in the campaign room to play the two as one big campaign "Incursion + Return To Sol". 

I'm not 100% sure of the timeline year of the two, however I know they take place after FS2.  One commenter somewhere said Incursion starts in 2376 and Return To Sol shortly after that...so in absence of more concrete info I'll go with that.

Do you think this would be possible?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 09, 2021, 07:25:40 pm
I went back to the last stream to check the suggestions made at the end of the stream for what else to play, and they were Reunion and New Path. Coupled with Incursion & Return to Sol, can anyone vouch for the quality or give me info on how they fit into the timeline? Are these all things that should be squeezed into my list in the "FreeSpace Continuity" or do any of them fit better in the second list?

I'm still not sure if I determined if Bem Cavalgar should be a part of list 1 or list 2. I may have determined the gameplay was significantly different enough to justify list 2, but I can't recall.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2021, 06:25:20 pm
Also, is anyone else getting a weapons.tbl error from Frontlines 2334? Suffice to say, I won't be able to play it when we get to that point in the playlist unless I figure out some sort of workaround.

EDIT: Oof, upon further investigation, it looks like a few of my mods are throwing errors. I'm going to go ahead and upload some debug logs, and maybe people can help me figure out what's going on. For now, I guess I'll test the mods in order I'll be playing them and make sure I've at least got my priority mods working. Memories of the Great War launches and plays with no problems. Same with Deneb III. Ran into a similar issue switching to Echo Gate on Shivans, though. Phantoms loads fine.

Shivans, Echo Gate: https://fsnebula.org/log/61131066b15aef1dcc95ce56
Shrouding the Light: https://fsnebula.org/log/6113119da0b4895db795ce56
Destiny of Peace: https://fsnebula.org/log/611319689831a2e18495ce5a
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 10, 2021, 07:36:38 pm
The stuff_int_list errors in Shivans and Peace were I believe a once non-fatal error that became briefly fatal but was returned to the old behavior later. If I'm interperting the changelogs right nightlies after june 20th might be able to deal with that.

The other is similar, there's a real error in the table that used to be ignored and is now picked up, I don't know if that was relaxed again at some point or not.

The 21.4-RC1 might be worth trying, rather than trying to hunt out a good nightly, but for stream stability I could understand if both are unappealing.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2021, 07:40:03 pm
Yeah, stream stability is definitely important. If there's a patchwork fix I could apply that would be ideal, but I'm sure it's not that simple. Also I haven't tested the full list, but I took a breather there because I have work tasks on my plate and everything else was far enough down the timeline I could tackle it later.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 10, 2021, 08:12:51 pm
Well, I can confirm that 21.4 RC1 does launch Shivans without complaint, Destiny should be good too. I'll try to grab Shrouding too and see if it works.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 10, 2021, 08:50:28 pm
Shrouding the light is still broken on RC1, was afraid of that. Someone will have to go in and fix the broken number. It gives file and line number helpfully enough though.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2021, 09:09:37 pm
Oh ****, does Between the Ashes also give Operation Templar a touch-up?

EDIT: Everything else fixed, ignore previous claims of bugginess.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 11, 2021, 12:50:58 am
Stampin' time.

Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:15:53 - Mission #25: The GTI Shadow
0:28:37 - Mission #26: Shadows (Why do we still here? Just to suffer?)
0:42:43 - Alpha? ALPHA?
1:09:46 - "I'm outta here."
1:13:12 - Mission #27: Cutting the Supply Line
1:53:37 - Mission #28: Surprise (Highlight Reel: The Mission)
2:09:57 - Mission #29: Survivors
2:33:13 - Mission #30: Virginia's Run
2:41:34 - Mission #31: Supplies, Supplies!
3:11:20 - Post-Stream Banter

Man, I was crying of laughter again when I got to the Typhon part while time stamping the video. Literally "Dick Kickem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asNcneOxjYg)" levels of gut laugh.  :wakka:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 11, 2021, 02:12:26 am
Shivans, Echo Gate: https://fsnebula.org/log/61131066b15aef1dcc95ce56
[...]
Destiny of Peace: https://fsnebula.org/log/611319689831a2e18495ce5a

That appears to be an error in the campaign files; both appear to be an oversight.

Shrouding the Light: https://fsnebula.org/log/6113119da0b4895db795ce56

That's an old error that propably comes from a outdated version of the FSPort weapons.tbl being used.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 11, 2021, 06:03:00 pm
Echo Gate and Destiny of Peace are now fixed.

Admiral Nelson is working on Shrouding the Light so that should be fixed shortly as well.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 11, 2021, 08:18:56 pm
Thank you guys so much for looking into this!

Consequently, does anyone know what changed on FreeSpace Port, FS2 MediaVPs, and Between the Ashes? Are these related changes?

EDIT: Strange, MediaVPs and Between the Ashes instantly completed and gave a Knossos popup (which doesn't normally happen when updating) saying "Done." with no version change. Some weird quirk of Knossos, maybe...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 11, 2021, 08:25:26 pm
Here's the FSPort changelog:
Quote
Updates in 3.6.9:
--Improve version compatibility via version-specific commenting
--Match retail docked speed in Secret Recovery
--Make the jump node flicker and disappear in The End
--Fix some briefing icons

The first two are things discovered through Colt's testing, and the second two are because of your stream. :yes:  Just like the planet icon sometimes got changed to another ship, the SD Demon sometimes got changed to a support ship.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 11, 2021, 09:26:40 pm
Huzzah! Destiny of Peace and Echo Gate both load and I can get into a mission seamlessly! Now it's just a matter of Shrouding the Light and Frontlines 2334. I'm going to continue going through my list and see if I hit any other snags. Thank you guys for the fixes. Already liking the little previews I'm seeing from loading up these campaigns and their first missions!

The Procyon Insurgency: https://fsnebula.org/log/6114955ecb8e3a769a95ce62
The Aftermath Reboot: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e10b15aef1dcc95ce5b
The Aftermath Reboot II: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e5f9831a2e18495ce5d

Transcend is playable, but... This may have to do with my Radar Icons mod, so maybe someone could let me know how I can make these two play nice.
https://i.imgur.com/a88YNnO.jpeg
https://fsnebula.org/log/61149669cb8e3a769a95ce63

Also it seems that Inferno: Nostos is attempting to draw a new interface, but my old interface is still drawn, so...
https://i.imgur.com/SvpY0Zd.png
https://fsnebula.org/log/611589f29831a2e18495ce5e
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Admiral Nelson on August 12, 2021, 06:23:30 am
Shrouding the Light is now also corrected. (version 2.5.0).

Let me look at Frontlines.

[EDIT] Frontlines should also now be all set (Version 1.5.0)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 12, 2021, 03:55:06 pm
Awesome, both work great! :)

I'm tinkering with my settings to see if I can't figure out what Transcend and Inferno Nostos are doing with the HUD. I'm sure it has something to do with my radar icon or message box mods.

EDIT: Yep, figured. I removed all mods from MediaVPs 3.7.2 (which both mods use) and everything worked fine. Except ew, why do they both put the message box in the top left when they have no voice acting? :(

I wonder if I can pester Mito about a Transcend and Inferno: Nostos specific message box mod...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 13, 2021, 10:14:09 am
You likely can, I will rather have a chance to set something up by the time you play either on stream. Pester me a bit more, and I might do it quicker :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 13, 2021, 05:33:41 pm
I went back to the last stream to check the suggestions made at the end of the stream for what else to play, and they were Reunion and New Path. Coupled with Incursion & Return to Sol, can anyone vouch for the quality or give me info on how they fit into the timeline? Are these all things that should be squeezed into my list in the "FreeSpace Continuity" or do any of them fit better in the second list?

I'm still not sure if I determined if Bem Cavalgar should be a part of list 1 or list 2. I may have determined the gameplay was significantly different enough to justify list 2, but I can't recall.

For Incursion +Return To Sol:

They're campaigns that take place post-Capella.  Incursion takes place in 2376 and its sequel Return To Sol takes place in 2380 (it's not officially stated in the campaign but that's what one of the comments I've found said in terms of when it takes place.)  I'm sorry I can't be more clear on a specific date, but I am sure they take place post-Capella...it's just that the campaigns don't say a specific year. 

In terms of quality, I had fun with them.  They're both fairly straightforward in terms of gameplay (kind of like Warzone and the main FS2 campaign for example) but enjoyable. 

They could go in your first list I'd say.

Does this help?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 13, 2021, 05:37:29 pm
Very much! Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 15, 2021, 01:11:11 am
I really wish there was some consolidated place to find changelogs for the mods. I click on the Forum button in Knossos, but those often lead to long-dead threads and fsnebula doesn't seem to have anything like this. Is there some sort of place one could go to see something like an HLP-maintained patch history of the different mods?

Also, about to go to sleep. See you guys in the morning for Memories of the Great War stream! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIovmB_tRgA
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 15, 2021, 03:12:01 pm
Thank you for featuring my campaigns.

And, if I am allowed to, let me just thank you for your frustration with the third mission of Hellgate: Ikeya. The misery of players during that mission keeps me young. /joke

I am glad that these campaigns are still at least somewhat enjoyable after all these years. The "ambush design" is a youthful sin of mine and I hope I have unleared it somewhat for future content.

As for the proofread, I will pull the text in the next weeks and hand it off to be checked once more - that has indeed been long overdue.

As for the briefings, I wish there was an option to disable the grid entirely for the briefing TBH. But once the briefing texts are revised I promise to take another look at the boards as well.

I will look into further tweaks to HGI mission 3 - probably a further decrease of bomb damage to the wreckage, and/or extending the download radius.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 15, 2021, 04:12:04 pm
Thank you for making such intense missions! Honestly, I can forgive the tiny flaws here and there because it's still a very polished product and I genuinely felt challenged. Most of my frustration with missions comes from personal trial and error, needing to determine what the best course of action is to do well, not because the mission design itself is lacking. Never take my first or second attempt reactions to a mission at face value. :P

In that third mission, at least, I think it may simply be that the bomb damage is a bit too high, if only just barely. Knowing that I almost completed the mission at 87 and 95% both times, I'm less inclined to complain. Just knowing that it's a % would be helpful. I'm actually enjoying it enough to go back and at least try to get all the bonus objectives, so definitely don't think that it isn't an awesome campaign! I love some of the design choices you made and the expectations you have for the player against overwhelming odds, still making victory attainable. A good challenge gets me stoked.

As stated, if you need someone to nitpick grammar, briefing oversights, or things like that, I'm more than happy to help. Being who I am and having just finished 4 weeks of Silent Threat Single Missions *shudder* I'm more than qualified to spot those things and offer feedback and corrections. I'm definitely looking forward to playing through again, and would love to get my hands on Episodes 1 and 4 when they come out. I only hope that I did your campaign justice by showcasing it on the channel. :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 15, 2021, 04:52:57 pm
After watching the whole stream I need you to see this:

(https://i.imgur.com/MODbRbB.jpg)

And the link to the source for the "public comments" in the HGI epilogue:
https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=95026.msg1872258#msg1872258
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 15, 2021, 05:14:02 pm
I really wish there was some consolidated place to find changelogs for the mods. I click on the Forum button in Knossos, but those often lead to long-dead threads and fsnebula doesn't seem to have anything like this. Is there some sort of place one could go to see something like an HLP-maintained patch history of the different mods?

The short answer is no.  The long answer is that almost nobody maintains changelogs of that sort.  FSPort has a changelog in its readme, FSO posts a forum thread with changes for every release, and Scroll (sometimes) posts changes when it releases an update, but those are the only examples I know of.

I missed this week and last week but I'll definitely be there next week.  Looking forward to it. :yes:

Incidentally, you should be able to fit both Deneb III and Shivans into a single stream.  Deneb III is three missions (although the last one is a humdinger), Phantoms is five, and Echo Gate is four.  Trimurti is a fairly long campaign, and quite different from the usual fare, so it would be good to start that campaign at the beginning of a stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 16, 2021, 03:44:29 am
Damn, it looks like Deneb III has the same issues with my radar icons and/or message box mods as Transcend; namely, the bottom radar's ellipse doesn't draw, and Auto Target / Auto Speed don't draw properly. I'll relist the issues and screens in this post to avoid having to dig back.

The Procyon Insurgency: https://fsnebula.org/log/6114955ecb8e3a769a95ce62
The Aftermath Reboot: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e10b15aef1dcc95ce5b
The Aftermath Reboot II: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e5f9831a2e18495ce5d

Transcend is playable, but... This may have to do with my Radar Icons mod, so maybe someone could let me know how I can make these two play nice.
https://i.imgur.com/a88YNnO.jpeg
https://fsnebula.org/log/61149669cb8e3a769a95ce63

Also it seems that Inferno: Nostos is attempting to draw a new interface, but my old interface is still drawn, so...
https://i.imgur.com/SvpY0Zd.png
https://fsnebula.org/log/611589f29831a2e18495ce5e
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 16, 2021, 09:04:18 am
To verify: do all of the affected mods run on the same MediaVPs version?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 16, 2021, 09:54:21 am
Both Transcend and Deneb III use the 3.7.2 version of the MVPs, so there could be a mod conflict specific to that version.

Updating Deneb III to MVPs 4.4.x is on my to-do list, but I'm waiting for a certain asset to be completed first.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 16, 2021, 01:00:49 pm
Yeah, same with Inferno: Nostos. I don't know enough about the backend to even begin guessing at what the issue is, but it definitely seems related to 3.7.2 MVPs.

Upon further investigation, it looks like Aftermath Reboot I & II are also on 3.7.2, so that may be at least somewhat related to my inability to launch them. Don't know if my mods would cause the game to refuse to launch outright, but spit-balling here.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 16, 2021, 01:42:29 pm
Hm, so as I suspected, I'll just have to just create one table based on MVPs 3.7.2 instead of 4.4.2.

Geez, that's a "lot of versions"-old. Did anyone try running Deneb III, or other mods from the list, with manually forced recent MVPS?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 17, 2021, 03:36:53 pm
Link (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772518429798039572/877288585525608508/msgbox_372.zip) to a zip with a 3.7.2 MVPS compatible setup of the msgbox script. The HUD looks a tad ugly and is scaled differently than in recent MVPS, but that's what I could cobble up.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 17, 2021, 04:09:38 pm
With Mito's assistance, we managed to resolve any issues with the HUD and my mods by simply forcing Transcend to 4.4.2 from 3.7.2, so it's workable now. Having said that, he pointed out Deneb III would be more complicated than simply changing a json, so I guess I should ask Goober5000 what he thinks a timeline on moving Deneb III to 4.4.2 might look like. If that asset completion makes it not feasible before Sunday, I'll try giving this quick and dirty 3.7.2 fix Mito worked on a shot.

EDIT: And unfortunately despite Mito's best efforts, the 3.7.2 compatible messagebox mod has the same HUD issues on Deneb III. Oof. Might just have to stream with things looking a little unpolished on Sunday, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 17, 2021, 04:48:42 pm
Caught up on the stream.  :yes:

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0:12:43 - Pre-Stream Banter
=====Hellgate: Ikeya=====
0:16:31 - Mission #1: To Dance Among Shadows
0:41:09 - Mission #2: Tortured Souls
0:58:50 - Mission #3: Whisperings of the Damned
1:28:50 - Mission #4: The Hellgate
2:02:36 - Epilogue
=====Light of Antares=====
2:12:55 - Mission #1: A Line in the Sand
2:40:22 - Mission #2: Trickery at Luxor Station
2:56:19 - Mission #3: Pas d'armes
3:39:06 - Mission #4: En Garde!
3:56:45 - Mission #5: Bildersturm
4:18:16 - Epilogue
4:22:03 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 17, 2021, 09:24:15 pm
With Mito's assistance, we managed to resolve any issues with the HUD and my mods by simply forcing Transcend to 4.4.2 from 3.7.2, so it's workable now. Having said that, he pointed out Deneb III would be more complicated than simply changing a json, so I guess I should ask Goober5000 what he thinks a timeline on moving Deneb III to 4.4.2 might look like. If that asset completion makes it not feasible before Sunday, I'll try giving this quick and dirty 3.7.2 fix Mito worked on a shot.

EDIT: And unfortunately despite Mito's best efforts, the 3.7.2 compatible messagebox mod has the same HUD issues on Deneb III. Oof. Might just have to stream with things looking a little unpolished on Sunday, unfortunately.

As I said, I'm waiting for an asset to be completed; but even if it were available today, I'd be reluctant to give the mod a major overhaul just a few days before a stream.  Remember your experience with last-minute reconfiguration? :p

Additionally I personally really dislike the moved message location and I prefer it where it usually is.  So I'd be in favor of you just playing the campaign the way it was designed to look.  That being said, the campaign is voice-acted, so pausing to read messages is not as critical.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 17, 2021, 11:14:56 pm
The voice acting being a thing sells me on just working without the message box, at the very least.

Despite seemingly only removing message box files, I cannot get the game not to crash upon Commit when I have only radar icons left. I looked through the files for any instance of the error being thrown but cannot decipher what the problem is. I don't want to also have to remove the radar icons mod, but if I can't figure this out, I may have to just play with the slightly buggy HUD. I'll try running in Fast Debug and post a log, and maybe someone can point out what I removed that I shouldn't have.

EDIT: Well okay, nothing crashes, but it does throw a critical error before having the EXACT SAME HUD ISSUES as if I had the message box mod installed. Maybe this is also related to radar icons and not just the message box? I don't know any more, honestly.

https://fsnebula.org/log/611c9ab79831a2e18495ce60

EDIT2: I may have discovered the issue. Deneb III uses BOTH MVPs 3.7.2 AND FSPort MVPs 3.7.2, and the message box mods for those two don't play nicely together. Both were loading, so removing the data folder from FSPort MVPs 3.7.2 seemed to fix everything and, assuming that the UI for Deneb III is supposed to be smaller, it seems to work fine. I'll post a screen, and then also figure out if there's any other mods that uses 3.7.2 of either or both versions to see if I can just skip having the data folder in one or the other. Or, better yet, if I could get a Deneb III specific data folder that, if my understanding of file priority is correct, will prevent the message box mod and display the UI using Goober's intended settings.

https://i.imgur.com/1ufUGLS.jpeg

It seems Bem Cavalgar also uses both FSPort MVPs and Upgrade MVPs 3.7.2. If I had to remove one or the other, it would probably be the mods for the FSPort 3.7.2 package, since I haven't found any of my installed mods that use only that one so far, and removing only that one allows those which use both to load without weird UI problems.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 18, 2021, 11:46:31 am
I'm surprised the message box mods don't play well together, because every FSPort MVPs inherits from the regular MVPs.  This is the standard way to do things because FSPort MVPs is an augmentation of the MVPs, not a replacement.  FSPort uses the FS1-style HUD, so it does need its own hud configuration file, but any modder who adds one should make sure it plays well with the MVP one.

That crash in the log file you posted is because the radar icons mod depends on at least one file - parsecfg-sct.tbm - that apparently isn't included in the radar icons mod but is included in the message box mod.  Whoever maintains the radar icons mod should add it, plus other missing files if needed.

Though if I had my preference, the radar icons mod would be disabled too.  You have the actual ship model to look at; why would you want the 2D icon on top of it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 18, 2021, 02:07:38 pm
Aesthetically, I agree with your sentiments. As someone who has terrible situational awareness, however, the small HUD elements I already found left me frantically looking for the information I needed since my eye wasn't immediately drawn to it in lieu of all the wide open space, and at least where fighters are concerned and cruisers in the far distance, it is really easy for things to go off of my mental radar in the heat of the moment.

I'm certainly not suggesting this should be the standard, it's just that I, as a player, have found that I'm not nearly as sharp and omni-vigilant as I was when I played these games as a kid. The message box and radar icon mods are essentially crutches that I unfortunately find myself relying on. It's sad to admit that I'm getting old. :(

EDIT: I've just been informed the tiny HUD is a 3.7.2 thing, not a Goober thing. Mito and I worked out a solution to the "bug" (which was just trying to display tiny HUD elements on the normal sized HUD) by ripping the HUD anis from the latest FSPort MVP and putting them in 3.7.2's data folder so everything draws normal size. Everything is working now, including the mods.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 18, 2021, 02:17:45 pm
1. It seems like both scripts require the aforementioned parsecfg-sct.tbm and dkjson.lua files. That I forgot to ship with the previous iterations of the msgbox because I thought they're required only for the radar icon script.

2. The message box script doesn't move the head ani by itself. In order to do that, I used a mv_root-hdg.tbm ripped straight out of the most recent MediaVPs, only with the position of the head ani changed. There are two issues: one, using the same config for fsport-mediavps breaks the center reticle, hence separate configs, two:  3.7.2 MediaVPs seem to be using a much simpler HUD config than more recent ones, and it looks like they can't recognise some of the settings or HUD gauges used in these. Hence... yet another config, I guess.

3. I had no idea Deneb III has voice acting! That's great!

4. Radar icons script has a bunch of features just to adress such criticisms, Goober. The icons fade when targets get close enough, and when the targets are close enough to the center of the reticle. Both values are configurable.


I might have forgotten something, whatever.

I would have given it a bunch more time if I could but if I do have the time to watch the stream this Sunday, it's going to be literally most of my free time available across this whole week.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 19, 2021, 11:02:14 pm
4. Radar icons script has a bunch of features just to adress such criticisms, Goober. The icons fade when targets get close enough, and when the targets are close enough to the center of the reticle. Both values are configurable.

And it's getting a decent set of new ones at my request to better address similar ones  ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 21, 2021, 10:43:53 pm
I'm looking forward to playing Goober5000 and Blaise Russel's campaigns on stream tomorrow! :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 22, 2021, 02:37:16 pm
Stumps.
Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:08 - Pre-Stream Banter

********** Deneb III **********
0:16:06 - Mission #1: Exodus
0:42:59 - Mission #2: Bear Necessities
1:33:12 - Dramatic Action Movie Scene
1:46:00 - Mission #3: Agnus Dei, Miserere Nobis
2:12:01 - The Big Moment

********** Shivans: Phantoms **********
2:32:22 - Mission #1: Silent Night
2:43:02 - Mission #2: Opening Shots
3:05:43 - Mission #3: Shadows on the Wall
3:16:11 - Mission #4: Strange Bedfellows
3:59:14 - Mission #5: A Declaration of War
4:11:31 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 23, 2021, 07:34:47 pm
When suggesting campaigns in the future, would you also like to be notified about their general difficulty (as in whether they're fairly easy or challenging)?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 23, 2021, 07:37:23 pm
That wouldn't be a bad idea, so I can sort of build my stream schedule around it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 01:39:23 pm
I've finally taken Mito's advice and started replacing the YouTube thumbnails, and I got up to the HLP campaigns. I'm no artist, and I'm just doing the best I can to find relevant resources, but if any artists or the modmakers want to give me modified versions of their Knossos images to use as thumbnails, that would be cool. I particularly like the vertical arrangement with the horizontal 4-way-split of Orpheus' Memories of the Great War. Would be awesome if someone were capable of getting those source images and making it a horizontal arrangement with vertical splits for a widescreen format. :P

Also. it seems I can't launch Trimurti without a crash... Error is...

Error: Unexpected end of quoted string embedded in sexp!
File: sexp.cpp
Line: 3531
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 02:18:32 pm
Do you have a debug log?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 02:41:37 pm
Hidee ho, neighbor!

https://fsnebula.org/log/612be29c9831a2e18495ce62
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: woutersmits on August 29, 2021, 02:56:28 pm
an you warn that streamer that eaggl;e takes flight its inposseble to beat first mission
you dont have anti shielt
ai goes nothing on first mission
he flying
to nthing
i had to disable myzelf
and after that one shivan comming up
you only have mx50
it destory quick its inposseble to beat
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 03:08:45 pm
That's a strange bug, and I'm not able to replicate it myself and it doesn't appear to be coming from the base mod. Do you have any extra "addons" you might try turning on or off? I notice you have the radar icons script, could you try temporarily disabling it (like renaming the extension) and see if that fixes it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: woutersmits on August 29, 2021, 03:19:17 pm
it has nothing with redayr mx 50 dont have shield breaker
only secondary have subsystem
breaker
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 05:34:57 pm
That's a strange bug, and I'm not able to replicate it myself and it doesn't appear to be coming from the base mod. Do you have any extra "addons" you might try turning on or off? I notice you have the radar icons script, could you try temporarily disabling it (like renaming the extension) and see if that fixes it?

I was afraid it might be one of the mods. Hopefully it's not radar icons, but I'll give it a try. If it is, I need to figure out a way to make Trimurti "ignore" the mods, since they're applied within the MVPs and moving those files in and out specifically to play Trimurti would be inconvenient. :x

EDIT: Alas, it was the mods. Full disclosure, I actually had a buddy running through the campaign on the exact same install setup as me to ensure everything worked without a hitch so I could avoid spoiling what would otherwise be a blind playthrough next week. So there's been some delay in troubleshooting as I act as the middleman. He said that the issue only occurs specifically when he tries to Commit to the 9th mission. Is there something specific in that mission (no spoilers please!) which either the message box mod or radar icons mod would cause? We don't know which one it was, since he just removed the entire data folder from both FSPort MVPs 4.3.5 and MVPs 4.3.3 which Trimurti uses.

EDIT2: My pal also wanted me to tell you that your campaign is, and I quote "really feckin' awesome". :P

EDIT3: I'll see if we can't narrow down which mod it is, and I'll get back to you. Yup, it's the radar icons mod.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 06:07:28 pm
Ah ok, mission 9 does indeed help narrow it down a lot. Good to hear you aren't spoiling yourself during troubleshooting as well :lol:

Edit: May I see the radaricon.cfg you're using as well? Should be in data/config
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 06:39:52 pm
So it seems your mod has its own message box in the VPs, as my pal stated the message box appeared above the reticle. Fortunately, I proposed putting a copy of the fsport compatible message box mod in a data folder in shv-1.2.2 and that moved it to the appropriate place.

The reason I bring that up is if we figure what the issue is with radar icons, perhaps a variation of the mod could be made that could be stuck into that same data folder, since the last in the line of load order is the data folder inside a mod? Or, barring that, some sort of substitute that prevents it from loading at all and I can play that mod without radar icons without having to remove those mods from my FSPort MVPs and MVPs. :x
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 06:59:50 pm
Also, do you happen to still have the assets you used to make that banner for Knossos? I'd like to make a full YouTube thumbnail (16:9), and I ripped Fractal13 from your VP and the banner itself, as I was originally going to try to put the banner overtop a resized and 30 degree CCW rotated png. Unfortunately, the resolution of the game asset is much lower than what you used for your banner, so it's noticeably fuzzier when blown up. I would love to get the original uncompressed Fractal13 you used for the banner in its uncropped glory. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 08:49:47 pm
I unfortunately do not have the source any more for fractal13 (although if I spent some time I could probably make something from scratch that looks pretty close). However, I did make a higher res cropped version of it for my desktop background, is this sufficient?

Still working on a workaround for the radar icons script.

[attachment deleted to save space]
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 08:50:39 pm
Perfect! Behold!

https://i.imgur.com/lQv2GU4.png

I really wanted to use the following beauty for FreeSpace 2 since it was a recreation of the box art, but alas, it's 4:3 instead of 16:9 :(

https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2024/235/1600/Htlboxart.png

If anyone is willing to contribute gorgeous images that seem appropriate for the respective campaigns for thumbnails, I'd love to see them.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 30, 2021, 04:49:04 am
Edit: also, a couple resources I'd like to link to you. One, the Colossus cutscene text crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96788.0), two, the Colossus cutscene logos crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96792.0), three, HLP Wiki screenshot repository (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Screenshots). There's (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97106.0) also (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96958.0) a bunch of (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96884.0) screenshot (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96700.0) contest (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96605.0) topics (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96420.0).
There's nothing very specifically picked though, just a bunch of really good screenies from around the community.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 30, 2021, 07:47:02 pm
That wouldn't be a bad idea, so I can sort of build my stream schedule around it.

Here's my opinion on which campaigns in your to-do list are at least IMO above average in terms of difficulty (at least in terms of ones I've played).  This isn't to say they're bad, but just probably harder than the average campaign overall.  These aren't in order of difficulty but just the order they were put on your lists.  Again, these are just my opinion...some might find them easy.

Harder than average campaigns:
Series Resurrecta (both campaigns)
Between The Ashes
Cardinal Spear (the first campaign at least.  The second campaign/sequel Cardinal Spear:  Vega is noticeably easier IMO)
Frontlines 2334
The Procyon Insurgency
Aftermath II:  The Blue Guardian
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 01, 2021, 09:48:35 am
Okay, there was miscommunication with the buddy. The issue is on Mission #10, not #9.

He thought it was mission 9 because that's what his last mission said in the tech room. I told him that tech room doesn't unlock missions until you beat them in campaign, so he said that the issue is Mission #10 then.

@Asteroth: Sorry, I didn't see your edit asking for radaricon.cfg, so here it is.

[attachment deleted to save space]
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Lafiel on September 01, 2021, 10:17:34 am
Found the issue with the script: The mission had a ship with an exclamation point in its name.
The SEXPs used by the scripts do not like that at all.
Now that I know that this can be a thing, the new version should have fixed that now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 01, 2021, 09:59:27 pm
Stamps.
Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:57 - Pre-Stream Banter

********** Shivans: Echo Gate **********
0:19:03 - Mission #1: Holy Grounds
0:35:21 - Demon Surprise™
0:47:57 - Mission #2: The Hive
1:01:18 - Mission #3: Lance of the Vigil
1:38:10 - Mission #3: Lance of the Vigil (2nd run)
1:49:12 - Mission #4: Return to Fountain

********** Tango **********
2:09:26 - Mission #1: Tango Sector Patrol
2:45:50 - Bumps and Rocks
2:48:08 - Mission #2: Return to Tango
2:55:51 - Mission #3: Battle at Tango
3:09:06 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 01:05:20 am
Just in case I didn't update everyone, my buddy managed to get radar icons and Trimurti to run seamlessly with the update from Lafiel, and I made sure I've got the exact same setup on my system. There should be no problems on stream this Sunday, but fingers crossed since I didn't test it personally. For how much everyone's hyping this campaign, I think this Sunday will be a good session.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 03, 2021, 01:20:55 am
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Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 01:22:02 am
Shouldn't it be in ternary?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 03, 2021, 01:32:22 am
212/022/120/120/121/201/  :nervous:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 02:26:37 am
I discovered some errant behavior related to what moving part in the entire FreeSpace machine, that there is fortunately a relatively easy workaround for. If you select the FreeSpace 2 campaign in FreeSpace 2, close the game, and attempt to open a mod that uses FS1 era ships or simply does not use FS2 ships, you'll get a crash error, the usual "Cannot load GTF Myrmidon" like it's attempting to load FS2 ships. I suppose this is partly due to the fact that there's likely no way to force a mod load to change what the player's currently selected campaign is, and trying to open FSPort MVPs has a similar issue.

Fortunately, I found I could launch the base FSPort (no MVPs), load into it, go to the Campaign Room, and choose FreeSpace: The Great War, and then close the game. After that, I seem to be able to load into other mods without trouble.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 03, 2021, 06:29:32 am
A debug log of one such crash would be appreciated, because that's definitely not supposed to happen and not something I have experienced when switching between mods with very different ship sets
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 10:04:52 am
Steps to reproduce, in my case:

https://fsnebula.org/log/613239899831a2e18495ce64
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 03, 2021, 04:05:48 pm
ah, there's that pesky stuff_int_list again. I suspect this issue is resolved in current versions, hopefully 21.4 will be in a state you're comfortable jumping to soon.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 04:35:22 pm
I'm really curious what change was major enough to justify jumping a subversion from 21.3 to 21.4, but stable is still 21.2

What's changed under the hood? :o
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 03, 2021, 09:02:52 pm
I believe it's just convention, a few hiccups aside odd numbers are for development versions and even for releases.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on September 04, 2021, 12:17:37 pm
Release versions are even numbers, testing (nightly) versions are odd numbers.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 04, 2021, 08:17:47 pm
Get hype for tomorrow!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on September 04, 2021, 11:03:40 pm
Looking forward to seeing Trimurti. I may actually be able to stick around for the whole thing  :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 05, 2021, 06:45:51 pm
The Trimurti stream was very excellent, props to both RMJ and Asteroth for the great show.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 12, 2021, 12:32:13 am
Now I sleep. Tomorrow, I shroud light.

Apologies in advance for hoarseness. Been busy on the microphone this week.  ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 12, 2021, 01:03:56 pm
Lemon juice and whisky is good for a sore throat if you're a us drill instructor.   Port (fortified red wine) is exemplary for healing hoarseness as proven by centuries of British army drill instructors.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 12, 2021, 02:17:04 pm
I had failed to mention this on stream, but I have 0 vocal training or voice acting experience, formal or otherwise, so doing that for too long hurts my throat. I'll take your advice and get myself some port. Not really a whisky guy.

Holy crap, we had 16 concurrent viewers this stream! Thanks for your support guys. Please keep coming out and tell your friends so we can grow. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 15, 2021, 12:51:47 am
Trimurti stamps. Will work on the 1st STL ones hopefully before this weekend
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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:54 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:16:03 - Mission #1: God Does Not Play Dice
0:33:53 - Mission #2: No Rest for the Wicked
1:01:22 - Mission #3: Demons in the Darkness
1:16:57 - Joe's assimilation to the chain begins to take hold
1:18:06 - Mission #4: Eve of the Storm
1:52:34 - Mission #5: Evangelist
2:02:35 - Mission #6: Doomsday
2:14:21 - Mission #7: Eschaton (AKA Joe hates freighters)
3:06:08 - Mission #8: False Hope
3:34:50 - Mission #9: Last Hope
3:42:31 - Mission #10: The Great Escape
4:02:35 - Mission #11: Good Luck
4:08:02 - Mission #12: The End
4:13:00 - Man...
4:17:27 - Ending cutscene
4:20:34 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on September 16, 2021, 02:35:50 pm
Hi redmagejoe, thanks for the streams.

Just remember that one campaign that maybe hasn’t been mentioned before: mantle.

I believe it’s the only one so far where you fly as a HOL pilot.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 17, 2021, 01:36:59 am
I'll definitely take a look into it when my schedule isn't beating my ass.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on September 17, 2021, 08:41:03 am
the problem with mantle is that despite being one of the more kino and atmospheric heavy campaigns, especially in its representation of the HoL, there is a crippling amount of technical issues to even get it running. i think it'll make for a good stream ala trimurti that you shouldn't immediately write it off, but you're gonna have to do some work when that time comes
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 17, 2021, 11:28:34 am
We'll cross that bridge when the time comes. Also...

https://www.moddb.com/mods/memories-of-the-great-war-omnibus/news/memories-of-the-great-war-featured-on-illfatedgamingtv
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 17, 2021, 08:02:27 pm
Earlier I gave my opinions as to which campaigns I've played that were above average in terms of difficulty.  Here are the ones I think are easier than average (that's not to say there isn't sometimes the occasional hard mission...just that the campaign overall feels easier than average) in no particular order:

Eagle Takes Flight
The Destiny Of Peace
Warzone
Derelict


The other campaigns I generally consider to be in the middle somewhere to varying degrees.


Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on September 18, 2021, 09:57:59 am
check the first page, CT.

>Series Resurrecta after Shrouding the Light
oh man
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on September 19, 2021, 02:55:08 am
Finally managed to catch up with the parts I missed last Sunday.

A few things:
- The problem that main form of character interaction is "bickering" is hurting the campaign a lot; moreso that it is actually constructed backwards as a prequel story - meaning that there is a lot of conflict created the resolution of which is an already known quantity. Depicting the growing pains from "14 years of space trench warfare" to "space NATO" is a commendable idea, and I think it is has been taken up better elsewhere - e.g. BtA - but these campaigns are still a bit far and few in between.

- I don't remember a mention that this is one of the first (chronologically) campaign - to my knowledge - that didn't have a terran player-avatar; that is still something quite rare in community. I know it is quite a challenging task, simply because added pressure of making Vasudans feel alien enough.

- There is something with Shrouding the Light that I see as a "designer", and that is the absense of all the noise. What I have come to hate about the FS2 era is just how much stuff is going on - which is fine if you are deliberately going for situation where the player is supposed to be overwhelmed at first and then dig themselves out. While StL has a lot of these situations where your availible for force seems to be insufficent (possibly an overcorrection for the guardianed wingmen), but the ammount of stuff going is actually quite manageable.

On that last point remind me to send you a copy of Walking on Ashes at some point - if you really want to see overwhelming looks like; it is all the worst inclinations you have seen in the Memories of the Great War dialed up to eleven.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 20, 2021, 12:15:00 am
Stamps for both parts of STL so far!

When catching up with today's stream, the video abruptly ended a couple mins after starting the 4th mission of Origins. Will next week start with that mission again? Whoops. Just saw your comment on the video. :P

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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:07 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:16:44 - Cutscene 1
0:19:49 - Mission #1: The Parry
0:33:00 - Mission #2: Striking Back
0:52:28 - Mission #3: A Stalking Horse
0:53:01 - Roc in the Rocks
1:08:15 - Cutscene 2
1:10:32 - Mission #4: Intruder
1:35:26 - Mission #5: Distraction
2:03:24 - Mission #6: Provocation
2:19:13 - Mission #7: The Great Hunt
2:32:23 - The Great Bonk
2:45:27 - Mission #8: Investment
3:15:00 - Mission #9: In Name Only
3:49:51 - Cutscene 3
3:52:13 - Mission #10: The Light Revealed
4:17:13 - Post-Stream Banter



0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:58 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:13:35 - Mission #11: Salvage
0:31:51 - Mission #12: Siege
1:19:33 - Cutscene 4
1:21:19 - Mission #13: Dividends
1:56:59 - Mission #14: Heart of the Beast
2:28:48 - Mission #15: The Hammer Falls
3:05:32 - Cutscene 5

Shrouding the Light: Origins

3:09:22 - Cutscene 1
3:10:48 - Mission #1: Footprints
3:28:33 - Mission #2: We Are Not Alone
3:36:23 - Mission #3: Execution
3:49:56 - Cutscene 2
3:51:07 - Mission #4: Preparations (Incomplete)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 20, 2021, 07:55:05 pm
check the first page, CT.

>Series Resurrecta after Shrouding the Light
oh man

I checked the first page, what should I be looking for?  Or was the SR-STL line meant for me too? 

If you're saying what I think you're saying...I agree.  The SR campaigns are a tangible jump in difficulty from the STL campaigns (while I didn't put the STL campaigns in my "easy" campaigns list...I would say they're on the 'easier' side of the middle ground spectrum...IMO.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on September 26, 2021, 02:52:23 pm
Seen the stream. Quite nice, so thanks for that.

If you are looking for FS1 timeline mini campaigns in the future to complete a stream, I would recommend eagle takes flight and crucible.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 27, 2021, 02:28:18 am
Alas, I can't find any good 16:9 banner for Series Resurrecta for the YouTube thumbnail. Don't suppose anyone can fashion one?

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 03, 2021, 02:03:06 pm
Since the Demon one is already used for the Single Missions stream, here's the Typhon shot.  :)

Spart_n also took some nice shots. I'll post those below the Typhon image.

(Some rescaling might be necessary: Spart_n's are 1366x768 while the Typhon is 2560x1080)
I rescaled them to 1920x1080. The first one is a non-rescaled one where I just cut out a bit of the right side.

(http://imgur.com/k4qRa0A.png)
(http://imgur.com/AXiGjPq.png)
(http://imgur.com/gB4geFf.png)
(http://imgur.com/n3qlpjX.png)
(http://imgur.com/2gWBlto.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 03, 2021, 02:27:01 pm
We hit 100 subscribers! You guys are awesome! :P I'll have to give you a proper reward via me screaming like a little ***** playing Amnesia this week.

Thanks for the awesome screens. I'm going to use that last one Colt posted for Series Resurrecta. EDIT: Oops, YouTube won't let me use those because they're larger than 2 meg...

I see that FSO has an update, FreeSpace Port MVPs, FreeSpace MVPs, and Between the Ashes all have updates. I'm hesitant to potentially break my stuff, so I might have to bother Mito to see if the mods are compatible with these before I proceed with updates.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 04, 2021, 04:34:22 am
Is there a reason the new FSPort MVPs aren't using Mixael's MainHalls? I noticed when I booted up the latest FSPort MVP, I had the default MainHalls. Upon investigating the Modify settings in Knossos, I saw that MainHalls was not included as a dependency.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on October 04, 2021, 06:32:16 am
I see that FSO has an update, FreeSpace Port MVPs, FreeSpace MVPs, and Between the Ashes all have updates. I'm hesitant to potentially break my stuff, so I might have to bother Mito to see if the mods are compatible with these before I proceed with updates.

Generally speaking mods *should* only load these newer assets and versions once they've been tested to be compatible, so if you download all the upgraded versions and play an older mod that's not compatible Knossos should load the older versions and all should be well.

But I admit, 'should' doesn't always mean 'will'...

As for the port MVPs, there's some shifts in how the MVPs and mainhalls interconnect after the lsat method caused some problems, and I think the main and port mvps are still figuring out exactly how to adapt to that best
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on October 04, 2021, 08:04:26 am
Is there a reason the new FSPort MVPs aren't using Mixael's MainHalls? I noticed when I booted up the latest FSPort MVP, I had the default MainHalls. Upon investigating the Modify settings in Knossos, I saw that MainHalls was not included as a dependency.

This is due to the way the main halls are now configured in the MVPs.  It is now necessary to manually select a mainhalls package for every mod that previously used the main halls automatically, even for mods that themselves weren't changed but still want to use MVPs 4.5.

This was done to avoid making the main halls a required download for everybody, but it now has the side effect of adding an extra step for every mod.  I made the same mistake on FSPort MVPs 4.3, but I figured out a configuration trick that made things more user-friendly on FSPort MVPs 4.4.

I am in the process of updating FSPort MVPs (and the mods that I uploaded which use FSPort MVPs) to account for this.  There is an open request for the MediaVPs to use the configuration trick on the 4.6 MVP release.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 09, 2021, 06:50:47 pm
Work has absolutely been kicking my ass, but I managed to get some personal projects done and I'll try to find time to go back and time stamp my stuff. I know I'm getting a little behind and I can keep taking Colt for granted. :P

I hope you guys are looking forward to tomorrow's stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 10, 2021, 05:38:32 pm
Series Resurrecta seems to have serious memory hog problems. Even with 16gb of RAM this thing's crashing when trying to load missions telling me it ran out of memory.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 12, 2021, 12:55:48 am
Also if you guys could be so awesome as to post in this thread any pertinent updates on mods (on or off my playthrough timeline), FreeSpace Open, MVPs, or anything else so I can give a proper shout-out and plug things HLP is currently working on during the pre-stream banter, that would be awesome. I'd like to try to use what little exposure my tiny-ass channel can give to better showcase what this great community is working on.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on October 12, 2021, 04:31:39 am
Well it was touched upon in the last stream but if you haven't yet cast your eye on Solaris, let me direct you to the release thread (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97833.0).

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 12, 2021, 12:03:01 pm
Bit late is an understatement.  :nervous:

Below are the stamps for the last part of StL: Origins and the first part of SR. Gonna post the 2nd SR stream stamps in an hour or so.

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********** Shrouding the Light: Origins **********
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:53 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:12:35 - Mission #4: Preparations
0:27:50 - Mission #5: Circles Within Circles
0:46:26 - Mission #6: At the Gates (of Joe's patience)
1:29:12 - Blamed for a crime he didn't commit
1:39:31 - Cutscene 3
1:41:18 - Mission #7: End of the Beginning
2:03:01 - Mission #8: An Exercise in Futility
2:22:00 - Mission #9: Deliverance (Stay with convoy)
2:37:17 - Mission #9: Deliverance (Stay with Khem)
********** Burning Heaven **********
3:02:18 - Nope
********** Series Resurrecta: Gehenna's Gate (Sneak peak) **********
3:06:59 - Fiction 1
3:09:24 - Mission #1: Chasing Megalodon
3:38:13 - Post-Stream Banter


********** Series Resurrecta: Gehenna's Gate **********
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:40 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:15:49 - Fiction 1
0:18:26 - Mission #1: Chasing Megalodon
0:46:39 - Fiction 2
0:48:49 - Mission #2: A Renewed Threat
1:16:28 - Peeking the Tech Room
1:19:15 - Fiction 3
1:21:20 - Mission #3: Eye of the Cyclone
1:42:08 - Fiction 4
1:45:24 - Mission #4: Venturing inside the Tomb
2:15:03 - Fiction 5
2:18:46 - Mission #5: Doomtrains of Salem (EMP HELL)
2:59:01 - Fiction 6
3:01:36 - Mission #6: Raise Thy Sword (Incomplete)
3:58:23 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 12, 2021, 12:28:32 pm
Look forward to a very special stream on October 31st. :P

Save the date!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on October 12, 2021, 01:25:03 pm
If you want to try a VERY difficult campaign I highly recommend bem cavalgar. It’s short and uses an interesting choose your mission mechanic where your performance in one mission will impact the next due to resource scarcity. It is set around the fall of Vasuda prime and it basically turns FS into something akin to a semi-open world survival horror simulator. The combat is also brutal because the shivans behave… differently from what you might expect. Enjoy 😉
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 12, 2021, 01:25:31 pm
Must be something spooky :warp:

Sunday's stamps
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********** Series Resurrecta: Gehenna's Gate **********
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:40 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:13:33 - Fiction 6
0:14:07 - Mission #6: Raise Thy Sword
1:06:22 - Rip streamlabs
1:08:40 - Fiction 7
1:11:04 - Mission #7: Lasciate ogne speranza
2:05:46 - GET OUT THE WAY
2:06:20 - Fiction 8
2:09:01 - Mission #8: ...Voi ch'intrate
********** Series Resurrecta: Spirit of Ptah **********
2:38:36 - Fiction 1
2:40:18 - Mission #1: Attack from Nowhere
3:22:45 - Fiction 2
3:25:07 - Mission #2: A Weakened Giant (Incomplete)
4:12:35 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on October 14, 2021, 04:10:28 pm
Are we playing Universal Truth 2 on that stream?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on October 14, 2021, 07:35:22 pm
I can't think of much scarier than Second Great War Part II.  :nervous:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 16, 2021, 06:54:45 pm
Look forward to tomorrow's stream! And no, sadly, it's not something spooky I'll be doing on the 31st. I will be talking about it tomorrow during pre-stream banter, and I'm very excited to share.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 19, 2021, 08:35:59 pm
Stamps  :p

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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:13:20 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:18:21 - Special announcement for Oct.31st stream
0:24:08 - Mission #2: A Weakened Giant
1:09:18 - Fiction 3
1:11:34 - Mission #3: Possente Ftha, Immenso Ftha
2:06:58 - Fiction 4
2:09:45 - Mission #4: Mask of a Fanatic
3:17:30 - Fiction 5
3:21:50 - Mission #5: More than a Prophecy
4:20:40 - Fiction 6
4:20:43 - Mission #6: The Glory of Memphis
5:03:28 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Nyctaeus on October 19, 2021, 10:36:21 pm
Gosh, I missed another one due to various irl activities. Ehh...

Time to release third SR campaign for the streams I won't miss :]
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 21, 2021, 03:31:57 pm
I've got a bounty out on the timestamp from the last stream for the Sneeze of Justice.

Also Nyc, hope you can make it to the next stream. And despite my *****ing, I hope you know that I loved the story you guys were trying to tell. I just strongly disliked the last few missions of Ptah from a gameplay perspective.  :blah:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on October 21, 2021, 03:42:45 pm
You are not wrong, they could do with rebalancing. They are also in dire need of checkpoints. These are high priorities for the next big update. I can’t say when that will be released as it’s still a work-in-progress and it’s on ‘it will be done when it’s done’ time, but rest assured stuff is happening behind the scenes, so watch this space 👍
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 24, 2021, 01:56:46 pm
My masterpiece is finished. Check out the new thumbnail.

(https://i.imgur.com/cCXEB8n.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on October 24, 2021, 04:18:15 pm
Getting closer to BtA.  :warp:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 25, 2021, 01:37:46 am
Whoever fed me the name "Kevin Hart" instead of "Kevin James" on the stream, damn you. Now I feel bad for getting the actor name wrong. :(

Save the date, boys and girls!

(https://i.imgur.com/kIsOyPK.png)

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 25, 2021, 06:33:09 am
I'll be an hour or two into a 7 hour drive by then, but rest assured I'll be there in spirit.....
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 28, 2021, 12:46:07 pm
Getting hype for the weekend!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 28, 2021, 05:43:24 pm
!!!
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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:52 - Pre-Stream Banter

********** The Destiny of Peace Paul Blart **********
0:18:43 - Mission #1: Flagstaff
0:38:33 - Mission #2: No Man's Land
0:57:04 - Calling in supp-ARRRRGHHHHHHHH
1:09:05 - Mission #3: The White Flag
1:15:17 - Mission #4: The Employer
1:26:32 - Mission #5: Shadow Dancer
1:43:27 - Mission #6: Checkmate
2:03:31 - BETAC? No BETAC yet!
2:08:01 - Mission #7: The Destiny of Peace
2:13:50 - <Unable to translate>

********** Eagle Paul Blart Takes Flight **********
2:38:35 - Rip Paul
2:40:13 - Mission #1: Bread 'n Butter
2:51:10 - Mission failed successfully
2:52:22 - Mission #2: Little Runaways
3:01:16 - Shivan Surprise
3:09:46 - Mission #3: Rock and a Hard Place
3:15:17 - Evolving rocks
3:19:24 - Mission #4: Hold the Line
3:32:13 - The ultimate sacrifice
3:44:40 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 30, 2021, 05:00:51 pm
Just checked out the sweet additions Dilmah made last minute to the mission list, and I can't wait to share this with you guys tomorrow. Bring all your friends, tell everyone to save the date. I'm looking forward to this stream, even if I'm super nervous right now. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 31, 2021, 04:54:10 am
Whats the ETA ?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on October 31, 2021, 05:57:31 am
3pm GMT
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on October 31, 2021, 12:58:29 pm
Per the stream discussion. Here's the link to my thread about getting campaigns voice acted, including links to the sites that I use. NOTE: The sites change their rules and layouts on occasion. I always have to go find the new rules and correct places to post casting calls.

The thread. (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96114.msg1890559#msg1890559)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 06, 2021, 08:30:43 pm
Sorry I've been on the downlow this week. I wanted to rant and rave about the awesome people behind Battle of Neptune more, but work's been a *****.

Tomorrow we'll be doing Awakenings and I'll try my best to stay on topic and not gush more, but I hope that you'll all come out and watch. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 07, 2021, 02:34:21 pm
Pandora's Box has like 20 missions, Goober. Maybe Cardinal Spear? It has 2 campaigns of 4 missions each. Anyone have an idea of the average mission length of those?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on November 07, 2021, 02:51:54 pm
I don't remember them being too long (10ish minutes each). That could fit nicely.

Frontlines is also another good one. 9 mission main campaign and a 3 mission smaller one iirc
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on November 07, 2021, 05:16:32 pm
Crucible is another contender. 5 missions long FS1 mini campaign.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on November 08, 2021, 01:11:51 am
I must have been thinking of a different campaign.  I would second Cardinal Spear or Crucible.  The missions in Cardinal Spear are definitely shorter than Awakenings, although the balance can be all over the place.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on November 14, 2021, 10:03:39 am
Stamps!
Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:10:48 - Pre-Stream Banter

********** The Battle of Neptune **********
0:19:20 - Mission #1: The Battle of Neptune
2:13:16 - Mission #2: Command Responsibility
2:32:49 - Credits/Post-Stream Banter
3:02:34 - Mission 2 alternative ending

********** Awakenings **********

0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:42 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:16:15 - Wait what mod is this?
0:18:51 - Mission #1: Picket Duty
0:48:34 - Mission #2: The Awakening
1:18:15 - Mission #3: Change of Hands
1:31:11 - Chestbusters
1:46:28 - Mission #4: Stealing a Hammer
2:10:41 - Mission #4b: The Duel
2:22:30 - Mission #5: The Good Samaritan
2:35:59 - Mission #6: Changing of the Guard
2:45:26 - Uhh... Lucifer Surprise?
2:59:03 - Mission #7: Revenge of the Nerds
3:22:17 - Mission #8: Pandora's Box
3:50:39 - Mission #9: Spoils of Victory
4:07:48 - Mission #10: Preparing for Invasion (The long mission)
4:33:11 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on November 14, 2021, 03:59:38 pm
Ohh! Can't wait for BtA to be played!  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 21, 2021, 02:02:05 am
Time for sleep! When I awaken, playing mjn mixael's Between the Ashes!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on November 21, 2021, 02:07:46 am
If you wish to do things in order, play the 2 mission mini campaign Mephistofele first. Events in this campaign happen just before BTA.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 21, 2021, 02:40:05 pm
For Mito: https://fsnebula.org/log/619aae1c25e7392a8f2001dc

Basically, I can "technically" continue, but the error pops up on literally every single frame so it is, for all intents and purposes, unplayable with the mods loaded in. Don't know if it's the message boxes (which I don't need, since there's voice acting) or the radar icons (which I'd love to have). In a perfect world, someone would have the unending patience and time to go put actual radar icons for specific ships per mission into campaigns, but I know what a grossly unreasonable expectation that is, so that every single icon didn't need to be loaded and they'd be compatible. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on November 21, 2021, 02:43:18 pm
That was Fun to watch! Glad I was able to be there.

Looking forward to the next stream.  :cool:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on November 26, 2021, 03:13:20 pm
More stamps
Hidden Text: Show
Awakenings [002] (+Cardinal Spear)

********** Awakenings **********

0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:48 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:12:05 - Mission #11: The Sands of Normandy
0:28:14 - "Is this the one where a million Shivans jump in?"
0:35:39 - C-3-DELETE
0:39:09 - Mission #12: The Final Gathering
1:08:52 - Credits+Mid-Stream Bantar

********** Cardinal Spear **********

1:18:45 - Mission #1: Deep Gouge
1:55:14 - Mission #2: Knows Not Friend Nor Foe
2:20:27 - Mission #3: Stealing Thunder
2:49:05 - PlanetKillerJoe
2:53:36 - Mission #4: A Spear in the Dark (CS)
3:10:22 - New Vasudan cruiser design
3:14:08 - A weapon to surpass Metal Gear...

********** Cardinal Spear: Vega **********

3:18:14 - Mission #1: Among the Ashes
3:23:15 - Ace Combat moment
3:29:08 - Mission #2: Within the Shadows
3:43:45 - Mission #3: Unto the Valley of Death
4:02:42 - Mission #4: A Spear in the Dark (CS:V)
4:08:52 - ALPHA 3!
4:23:01 - Michael Bay would be proud
4:24:53 - Post-Stream Bantar

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Between the Ashes [001]

********** Between the Ashes **********


0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:10:30 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:18:23 - Between the Ashes Intro

********** Between the Ashes: Mefistofele **********

0:23:36 - Mission #1: The Gulnara Heist
0:39:39 - Already in love with the writing
1:05:22 - Mission #2: Shell Game

********** Between the Ashes: Slaves of Chaos**********

2:07:27 - Slaves of Chaos Intro
2:08:49 - Mission #1: Warm Welcome
2:51:41 - Mission #2: Red Handed
3:06:47 - Cutscene 1
3:07:55 - Mission #3: Corrida de Toros
3:29:39 - Mission #4: Playing Pirate
3:50:41 - Mission #5: The Will To Act
4:12:36 - Return to base? Never heard of it!
4:18:05 - Subspace sequence
4:19:18 - Post-Stream Bantar
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on December 06, 2021, 12:10:58 am
I watched the stream I missed.

JOE WHAT DID YOU DO
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on December 06, 2021, 01:34:31 am
JOE WHAT DID YOU DO

He demonstrated the power of persistent variables :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on December 06, 2021, 04:02:56 am
He found the Mr Cuddles ending, but one that allowed him to progress.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on December 06, 2021, 08:07:20 am
Truthfully, I had no idea that easter egg was there, which is surprising given how easy it is to trigger... In the latest version of BtA, the trigger is slightly more sensical and it won't save the Cardinal's health at 0, among other fixes based on Joe's stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 06, 2021, 09:32:58 am
I can't tell you how delighted I am that I manage to find these things, and that it's becoming "a thing" among this community.  :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on December 06, 2021, 03:09:13 pm
I can't tell you how delighted I am that I manage to find these things, and that it's becoming "a thing" among this community.  :D

One thing I want to clear up from last stream, someone in the chat said that the BtA Subach did the same damage as the Kayser, that's like, :wtf: not even remotely true.

The Kayser does 28 DPS, but the Subach has 19 DPS, (up from the default FS2 Subach's DPS of 15)

The reason the Subach's damage was buffed to 19 from 15 was because, oddly enough, the FS1 Avenger does the same damage as the FS2 Subach, ( :v-old: just reskinned it I guess,)

So to reiterate: BtA Subach =/= Kayser. Just wanted to clear that up.  :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 12, 2021, 11:23:58 pm
I went back and decided to try to ace Hellgate Ikeya in Memories of the Great War. I aced the first two missions, and was told in debriefing I got a Commendation Medal, then on mission 02 a Commendation Medal AND a Distinguished Service Cross. Neither of these showed up on the right as an awarded medal or in my medal case. Are medals not implemented properly? :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on December 12, 2021, 11:34:58 pm
I went back and decided to try to ace Hellgate Ikeya in Memories of the Great War. I aced the first two missions, and was told in debriefing I got a Commendation Medal, then on mission 02 a Commendation Medal AND a Distinguished Service Cross. Neither of these showed up on the right as an awarded medal or in my medal case. Are medals not implemented properly? :(

Did you play it in the tech room?  Medals aren't awarded in the tech room, only in campaign mode.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 12, 2021, 11:50:45 pm
Nah, I restarted the campaign. Also, the new progress bar on Mission 03 is really nice, as much **** as Orpheus gave me **** for it. :P

I can live with being labeled "The Big Dum" if it means an overall improvement to player information. :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on December 13, 2021, 05:46:14 am
I am tracking the issue.

But, and I already told this to Joes via PMs, the medals are tied to Bonus Objectives but awarded by events that have additional conditions, namely Difficulty must be at least Medium and cheats were no activated.
You will get the Debrief based on the completion of the Bonus Objective, not based on the event thst awards the medal. I made that way to encourage replaying the campaign.

Also, the new progress bar on Mission 03 is really nice, as much **** as Orpheus gave me **** for it. :P

Which is not in the public version yet - sorry, everyone.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on December 13, 2021, 03:12:30 pm
Just to make sure he sees this:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223516619052285952/919736839366144030/RageFaustusJoe.jpg)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 13, 2021, 03:21:43 pm
Simply amazing.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on December 13, 2021, 05:19:03 pm
Simply amazing.

Hehe, Thanks.  :warp:

Oh, and here is the BtA meme I wanted to show you last stream:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/916539119805542420/BtA_shellgame_meme.jpg)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on December 19, 2021, 01:43:54 am
Some stamps for the 2nd BtA stream. More to come soon(ish)  :yes:
Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:45 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:19:26 - Mission #6: Acts Of Volition
1:10:06 - Mission #7: Hammer's Edict
1:26:22 - Mission #8: Gerar's Judgement
2:24:14 - Mission #9: Black Flag
2:44:42 - -holds breath-
2:47:51 - Mission #10: Bringing Down the Gavel
2:56:02 - THE FUN BEGINS
3:25:43 - Mission #11: Camp Angel (Incomplete)
4:02:57 - Post-Stream Bantar
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 25, 2021, 07:09:47 pm
Merry Christmas, HLP! My present to you will be Ancient-Shivan War starting tomorrow!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 26, 2021, 04:56:30 pm
Need a kind soul to try to recreate the red flash on this beauty to fill in the black space to the left. Would like to use this for the new background and thumbnail. :P

(https://i.imgur.com/zgaE7fD.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on December 26, 2021, 07:17:59 pm
On it. Be back in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on December 26, 2021, 07:50:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/m7YPl4P.png)

Wasn't sure exactly what you wanted.. black background, filled background, meme format or not.. so I made options. (https://imgur.com/a/MaCXiin)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on December 26, 2021, 07:55:39 pm
So, uh, that happened.

Me, literally 2 minutes before your first response (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=95995.msg1912635#msg1912635)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/924832560247369778/faustus.jpg)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 02, 2022, 01:57:40 pm
For anyone who wants to join Ill Fated Gaming's TeamSpeak, maybe even be in voice with me during stream, here it is:

vs34.tserverhq.com:7120
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on January 04, 2022, 03:07:12 pm
Timestamps for the 3rd and 4th BTA streams. :yes:

Will edit this post later tonight when I've gotten the 5th stream+Walk in the Sun done.

EDIT: 5th one added. I somehow misspelled "Banter" and repeated this mistake at every instance in this post, so heads-up  :nervous:

Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:39 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:15:38 - Mission #11: Camp Angel
0:41:21 - BEST. FIVE. MINUTES. EVER
0:48:44 - Mission #12: To Steal A March On
0:56:02 - DOWN SHE GOES AGAIN
1:23:04 - Cutscene 2
1:25:03 - Mission #13: The Texas Seven
1:27:27 - AND AGAIN
1:39:19 - (Bug fixed from this point onwards)
1:52:57 - Mission #14: El Chapo
2:05:18 - Mission #15: The Armageddon Clock
2:38:48 - Mission #16: How the West was Lost
3:44:30 - Mission Debriefing+Post-Stream Banter

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:10:58 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:24:03 - Mission #17: Rebels and Revolutionaries
1:10:09 - Unintended AWOL
1:13:18 - What a hog
1:23:41 - Mission #18: Groundhog Day
2:19:31 - Mission #19: Going Out With a Bang
3:01:00 - "Ridiculous" that he survived that explosion
3:08:03 - Epilogue+Slaves of Chaos ending cutscene
3:12:47 - Credits+Mid-Stream Banter

********** Between the Ashes: Antwerp **********

3:27:37 - Mission #1: Operation: Market
3:49:53 - Mission #2: Operation: Garden (Lower your volume!)
4:05:43 - o7
4:10:09 - Antwerp ending cutscene
4:13:46 - Post-Stream Banter

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:32 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:20:01 - BTA: The Growing Silence Teaser Trailer

********** Between the Ashes: Operation Templar Remix **********

0:23:10 - Mission #1: Bringing The Hammer Down
0:39:34 - Mission #2: Chasing the Threat
1:01:17 - Mission #3: Tightening the Noose
1:15:19 - Mission #4: Final Outpost
1:29:17 - Camper Joe
1:33:07 - Wtf is Command smoking?
1:35:24 - Mid-Stream Banter

********** A Walk in the Sun **********

1:59:57 - Mission #1: Wisdom
2:16:56 - Mission #2: Ambition
2:31:49 - Mission #2: Ambition (2nd Run)
2:47:15 - Mission #3: Illumination
3:03:33 - Mission #4: Blind Predator
3:07:07 - He says the thing!
3:27:05 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on January 04, 2022, 04:30:33 pm
4:05:43 - o7
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on January 08, 2022, 05:17:41 am
Hi Joe. Take a look at this before your next stream and watch your enemies tremble in fear of your mighty Alpha Oneness  :lol:

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97961.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 09, 2022, 01:56:54 pm
Off to a good start: There's no FreeSpace wiki page for this mod. Hope someone can give me some inside info I can blurb out at the start of next stream. :P

I also forgot to turn Aquitane music back on at the end of the stream. Oops!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 09, 2022, 10:14:04 pm
So I have a problem... Getting crashes before making it to Pilot Select or Main Hall across various mods after updating Memories of Great War (which is the only one I can load into, lol), possibly because it required also getting FSO 21.5.xxxx. This did some sort of player/pilot settings import, but it seems to have broken my other mods running on FSO 21.4. Things like JSON handler crashes because it's looking for "a value called 'control' but there is none" or "no player file found". I could post debug logs for each and every specific error, but I'm assuming this would be short-term remedied by making everything use FSO 21.5.xxxx

Having said that, I'd like to keep using stable for as long as possible, so... is there an easy way to "undo" whatever created this problem in the process of importing my data?

Here's the issue I get with FreeSpace Port MVP and FreeSpace 2 MVPs: https://fsnebula.org/log/61dbb2bcd76b45e4c1591e72
Here's the issue I get with Pandora's Box, which at least makes it to pilot select: https://fsnebula.org/log/61dbb31ba9236f4e0c591e6f
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on January 10, 2022, 03:00:30 am
That might be partly my fault - while I entered the 20220101 nightly as target build, I forgot to uncheck the "allow newer version"-setting on the FSO-dependency for Memories of the Great War. So it might have pulled you into 21.5. with the conversion of the pilot code.

What is going on with recently added code regarding controls, someone else might be more knowledgable.

I got out of the same issue by deleting the converted pilots and making now ones with the 20220101-build.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 10, 2022, 02:50:32 pm
I'd really like to know if there's an easy way to get my pilot profiles back, though I guess it's not the end of the world if I have to start over on some things. At least I'm between campaigns on the stream, so that's not a huge issue. I had lots of shiny medals in FreeSpace and FreeSpace 2 though. :(

I did confirm that forcing FreeSpace Port to run on 21.5.x solves the issue, though I'm also hesitant to run on a development build for streaming (and in general) and risk... "surprises". Is there no way to convert my profile back to 21.4?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on January 10, 2022, 08:36:13 pm
I'd really like to know if there's an easy way to get my pilot profiles back, though I guess it's not the end of the world if I have to start over on some things. At least I'm between campaigns on the stream, so that's not a huge issue. I had lots of shiny medals in FreeSpace and FreeSpace 2 though. :(

I did confirm that forcing FreeSpace Port to run on 21.5.x solves the issue, though I'm also hesitant to run on a development build for streaming (and in general) and risk... "surprises". Is there no way to convert my profile back to 21.4?

The pilot file was converted to use the new controls5 code when you started the 21.5.x build.  At the moment, there is no way to convert pilot profiles back to 21.4-compatible.  Until the new controls code is stabilized, the recommended procedure is:

1) Back up your pilot files somewhere
2) Delete the most recently used pilot files from the pilots folder
3) Run a pre-controls5 build, such as 21.4 stable
4) Create a new pilot, or use a pilot that was not selected or used when you ran the 21.5.x build

Once the controls5 code is stabilized and 22.0 stable is released, you'll be able to use your backed up pilot again.  Even so, it still may not be possible to backwards-convert pilot files; that remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 10, 2022, 08:47:39 pm
Where would I find this pilot file? I checked the usual place (Knossos\library\FS2\data\players) but there's no Red Mage Joe there.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on January 10, 2022, 08:55:38 pm
Try %APPDATA%\HardLightProductions\FreeSpaceOpen\data\players
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 10, 2022, 08:59:41 pm
Holy ****, is there a CSS for every campaign in here? Looking at the dates, has it always been storing these here? Should I assume these have all been converted at this point?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on January 10, 2022, 09:27:47 pm
There is one PLR (player file) for each pilot, and one CSG (campaign file) for each campaign played per pilot.

Only the most recently accessed player (and maybe campaign) will have been converted.  The others should still be usable.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on January 10, 2022, 09:49:14 pm
Not much information on the campaign but this is the Pandora's Box release thread (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=58352.0).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on January 11, 2022, 05:22:25 pm
This might be a good idea to mention that some screenshots from that campaign would be useful so that Joe can pick one for a stream thumbnail.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: ShivanSpS on January 16, 2022, 03:27:36 pm
Hey joe, i didnt undertood that you mentioned me today, thats why i didnt responded you.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 16, 2022, 03:30:16 pm
All good. This is the video of yours I was talking about, by the way.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 17, 2022, 02:20:50 pm
I loaded up Pandora's Box in 21.4 and I can say that the music bug is an FSO thing. Would love to know when that gets fixed so I can update to the latest nightly before the next stream! :)

EDIT: In the interim, I looked at the GitHub and saw someone mention that restarting the mission after initial load seems to fix the music. I tried this myself in Pandora's Box, and it does appear to work, so there's that at least. I also re-enabled the MVP 4.5.1 message box and radar icon mods on my end, so it should be a smoother experience. I played ahead a little on the 21.4 profile, and I have to say... I'm probably going to turn at least 1 cheat on every mission. The campaign design is good, the writing is fair, and I appreciate the story they're trying to tell. The mission balance is just dog****.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 20, 2022, 01:20:12 pm
I did a thing.

(https://i.imgur.com/aZkdBdZ.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on January 20, 2022, 03:03:44 pm
 :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 01, 2022, 02:00:43 pm
Thanks to Urbana of FreeSpace Gaming Network and SilverAngelX for getting me an awesome splash for New Path! The thumbnail is already on the upcoming stream and I've got everything set on StreamLabs. It's lookin' good!

(https://i.imgur.com/ORB8hpN.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on February 05, 2022, 08:35:48 am
 :yes:



The story progression that the ship you didn't choose as mothership gets destroyed by the Iceni, kinda reminded me of an article about Into the Breach (a Tactics-Roguelike) and existential implications of its time-loop and 1-turn rewinds - tl;dr "the greatest monster of in this story is the player, for if they choose to rewind, they are not going back in time but skipping sideways into the next timeline - leaving an entire world to perish just to erase a minor mistake". :)

Until you played the last mission of Uncharted Territory,  I didn't have any idea what I contributed. But appearently at least that Capella background is one of my creations - that's also why it doesn't match up with the MVP version. I would have to check but possible the Gamma Draconis-background is also mine.

Anyway, I am going to try New Path before you go the air tomorrow. It's been on my to-play-list for a while, and now is a good time to turn into a kind of play along :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 12, 2022, 06:40:13 pm
Tomorrow is going to be another killer day with New Path, with Urbana (FreeSpace Gaming Network) and SilverAngelX (New Path creator) joining me once again. Hope to see everyone there!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 17, 2022, 01:49:45 pm
Ayo, can I get some subs on my lad Colt's channel ahead of this week's stream?

>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/ColtfromFFL <<<


Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 26, 2022, 11:59:10 pm
Hope to catch you all tomorrow for another thrilling episode of Colt's Shepherds! I'm getting excited just thinking about it!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 06, 2022, 03:55:13 pm
Vassago's Dirge is next week! Which one of these should I use for the thumbnail? Or does someone want to offer a better one? :P

(https://wiki.hard-light.net/images/5/53/VassagosDirge8.png)

(https://wiki.hard-light.net/images/5/5d/RScreen0053.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on March 06, 2022, 11:19:33 pm
What resolution do you need? The loading screens would make good thumbnails

(https://i.imgur.com/VxYphQe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/P5ObHAU.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mu7D9ev.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 06, 2022, 11:22:23 pm
1920x1080 would be ideal, but as long as it's 16:9
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 13, 2022, 03:29:48 am
Don't forget to set your clocks forward for Daylight Savings! Don't be an hour late to tomorrow's Vassago's Dirge stream!

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Post by: Mito [PL] on March 13, 2022, 01:17:52 pm
ice cream party







give me my chair and spoon
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 13, 2022, 01:44:02 pm
Please go check out Paladin's premiere tomorrow:

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Post by: Nyctaeus on March 13, 2022, 11:28:25 pm
Shiiit, I missed two shows...

I gotta improve. So much fun happened without me -___-.
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 14, 2022, 08:38:54 pm
I'd kill for a 1920x1080 recreation of something like this:

(https://fsnebula.global.ssl.fastly.net/storage/50/06/7aa2d093b6f9168c70edd30b344e758174406352e506c8e0d63ed7a50e68.png)
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Post by: starlord on March 15, 2022, 04:18:57 pm
Actually if you are thinking of FS2 or post FS2 mini campaigns, I could also recommend the following:

- journey to epsilon Pegasi
- cleaning crew
- operation saviour
-flames of war series
-renegade ressurgence
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Post by: CT27 on March 18, 2022, 06:04:04 pm
Actually if you are thinking of FS2 or post FS2 mini campaigns, I could also recommend the following:

- journey to epsilon Pegasi
- cleaning crew
- operation saviour
-flames of war series
-renegade ressurgence

To add on to what starlord said:

Operation Savior is a prequel campaign to the "Lightning Marshalls" campaign chapters.  So if you're going to play Operation Savior, play that before you play Lightning Marshalls.  Chronologically, both OS and Lightning Marshalls campaigns take place a little before FS2 (near the beginning of the NTF rebellion).


Also, I've seen two versions of Renegade Resurgence out there.  The newest and better version is the one with 44X in the title (though it can be modified to use the newer 45X MVPs).  Chronologically, Renegade Resurgence takes place not too long after FS2.
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Post by: starlord on March 19, 2022, 05:46:18 pm
Hmm. Interesting. I didn’t know that saviour was a prequel to lightning Marshall.

I thought the prequel was named regulus campaign.
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 19, 2022, 05:50:27 pm
Damn, stream's tomorrow and I never got a decent thumbnail or loading screen for Fall of Epsilon Pegasi. There's like NOTHING on Google Images for it either.

Ya'll gonna get that old school IFG background splash. :P

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Post by: TopAce on March 19, 2022, 09:07:12 pm
redmage, if you want to give a try to one of my campaigns, swap The Journey to Epsilon Pegasi to Luyten Civil War. It's newer and much better. I don't know for a fact whether it will run flawlessly with the very newest builds, given that it uses many SCP features that were current at that time and sometimes stuff are known to mysteriously break between one build to the next. That's just the way it is with modding, unfortunately.

Renegade Resurgence MediaVPs 4.4 re-release should run, on the other hand.
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Post by: DefCynodont119 on March 20, 2022, 01:49:45 pm
Here is a super basic Thumbnali I just made
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/955176258315108372/FoEp_Basic_Thumb.png)
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Post by: Renegade Paladin on March 20, 2022, 09:58:45 pm
Hey Joe, since I brought it up in the chat towards the end of your stream, here's the Rook's cursed blob turrets that resulted from having Thadeus' old Their Finest Hour remake mission in my MVPs folder for some godawful reason.   :lol: 

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Post by: Darius on March 21, 2022, 05:30:10 am
Watching the Epsilon Pegasi vod and I'm confused, did US Congress vote to have permanent daylight savings?
That's an awful decision, not only is it inconvenient but it's got known actual health consequences, like people dying from heart attacks and strokes.
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 21, 2022, 05:32:33 am
I believe that it is actually the changing of the clock that is responsible for those health issues. I seem to recall the specific study you're referencing, and it's the simple matter of having time changes. What this change will do is make the +1 hour adjustment be permanent starting this time next year, and never have the clocks changed ever again.
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Post by: Darius on March 21, 2022, 05:37:58 am
Ah that makes more sense, I got the impression that come a certain time of the year everyone's clocks would change automatically.
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Post by: Renegade Paladin on March 21, 2022, 02:12:30 pm
Ah that makes more sense, I got the impression that come a certain time of the year everyone's clocks would change automatically.
That's what happens now.  The Senate has voted to make Daylight Stealing Time permanent, which is an awful idea; they should get rid of it entirely.  But the Florida delegation is pushing the bill (which they named the "Sunshine Protection Act") so go figure. 
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Post by: CT27 on March 21, 2022, 07:20:37 pm
Hmm. Interesting. I didn’t know that saviour was a prequel to lightning Marshall.

I thought the prequel was named regulus campaign.

They both are IIRC.

When I downloaded "Lightning Marshall" it came with five 'chapters'...chapters 0-4.  Chapter 0 is the Regulus campaign...chapters 1-4 come after that.

Operation Savior takes place in this continuity because in one of the LM chapters Command says something like "if you pilots really want to see what being under fire is like read up on the Operation Savior data file."
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Post by: Darius on March 22, 2022, 06:56:56 pm
Joe viewers every week be like:

(https://i.imgur.com/XTypM7N.jpg)
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 27, 2022, 01:37:51 am
Soon, Darius, soon!

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Post by: Renegade Paladin on March 27, 2022, 11:04:16 am
Since you asked:


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Post by: redmagejoe on March 27, 2022, 03:00:03 pm
Okay, someone who can work FRED magic, this shouldn't be hard:

(https://i.imgur.com/vUBkUkt.png)

Can I get this recreated in 1920x1080? Please?
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Post by: spart_n on March 28, 2022, 02:17:03 pm
with the upcoming AFR campaign and with the fact its 50 missions (idk who keeps recommending you to play TBG, it's not entertaining), this is undoubtedly going to take a few weeks.

hence, i propose a palette cleanser method so AFR doesnt drag on for the audience (and joe) and we can keep the momentum of campaigns we got going;

every two or so streams, we'll take a break to "demo" other campaigns; one, two, three missions of campaigns based on audience choice; this won't be strict because some stuff may just be that good that we accidentally play through the whole thing

i like AFR and i wanna see joe play through it but im 1 of 12 regulars. i know it'll slog after a while if we approached it on a weekly basis, it is actually going to take months
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Post by: CT27 on March 28, 2022, 09:27:22 pm
In regards to TBG, Herkie's latest update has made it more playable and definitely better than it was before.  I still like AFR better overall and as defacto 2nd in command of TBG I would have done some things differently than Herkie did, but I wouldn't avoid TBG if you're going to play AFR as it finishes the story.
(spart_n, I may have said I think TBG should be on the list before, but I haven't been pushing it more than once if that's what you were wondering about).

I would also echo spart_n's "warning" about AFR.  It's very fun I think but it is a rather long campaign (over 50 missions as he says).  You will definitely need more than one segment and putting smaller campaigns in in between AFR segments wouldn't be a bad idea.


Also, you will probably have to play it and TBG on MVP 2014 version as that's the version Herkie developed it on (it might work on later versions but I can't promise that).  Also, the build that worked for me was the October 31, 2017 nightly (that ran into the least issues).  So if you can't get it working on some other setup, I'd give that a try.
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Post by: Mito [PL] on March 29, 2022, 03:20:15 am
Spart_n's idea isn't bad. This goes especially for the early parts of the first campaign that can get quite tedious. However, I'd say that when we enter the more speedy parts of the campaign, we could adjust on the go. Maybe Joe will find it very fun and wanting more of it ASAP. I personally wouldn't be bothered with that.

Back in the day I used to play Aftermath Reboot v1.0.0 on MVPS 4.1 and the most recent builds available at that point in time regardless of herkie's suggestions for FSO 3.7.4 and it worked really fine. So I believe you can easily force it to latest MVPS and corresponding FSO and experience no negative consequences. Of course, it would be great if someone tested that out before the streams, just in case.
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Post by: CT27 on March 30, 2022, 09:48:08 pm
For what it's worth, Herkie told me on FB that there would be an update coming out for his campaigns in the next few days.  So Joe might want to wait a little longer for that to come out.


Mito, I've also given Herkie on FB a link to this thread and told him there might be a playthrough of his campaigns in the relatively near future.
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Post by: herkie423 on March 31, 2022, 05:34:41 am
Yeah but with this latest update, I am still working with the outdated 3.7.4.

The updates covered corrections and adjustments. Very small update coverage.

Take also note that I have submitted both campaigns to restoration.
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Post by: herkie423 on March 31, 2022, 05:40:43 am
... And CT27, you are not my defacto second in my command. But you ARE my second in command. TBG is our work. You made the story. I just made it run as a game.

Though I can really brag that the development of TBG comprised only 2 people, CT and me. The Aftermath Reboot, I made it single-handedly (except for the model creators)
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 02, 2022, 12:31:11 am
I'm seeing a lot of enthusiasm surrounding these campaigns in this discussion, and I can't wait to take a crack at them! I'll decide on the fly if breaks between AFR sessions are needed. For now, I'm remaining optimistic.

I'm finally on stable 22.0 and I am going to R E F U S E to play any campaigns that release on a nightly. I hope you understand why I feel the way I do. I've already deleted every 21.5 build I have. It's just not great for my mood when I run into a bug and have to deduce if it's mod related or FSO related.

Also, has anyone gotten in contact with the creator of Mantle to see if we can get a nice loading screen and thumbnail? Can anyone help me out with the thumbnails for Frontlines or Fall of Epsilon Pegasi? Pretty please~?
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Post by: Renegade Paladin on April 03, 2022, 02:40:34 pm
You were complaining about a lot of bombs?   :D 

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Post by: redmagejoe on April 03, 2022, 02:52:08 pm

Next week, Aftermath Reboot! Thank you to Henrik for providing me with loading screen and thumbnail for this! Still hoping some kind souls can get me Frontlines, Mantle, and Epsilon Pegasi images~
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 03, 2022, 11:39:21 pm

"ca1 3610742 Sin Senos Si Hay Paraiso 2 capitulo 66 cat 4000"

This is the bull**** that's currently getting me copyright blocked on Mantle. I looked into it, and it's some stupid TV show, not a song or anything like that. Some automated bull**** is literally claiming that I'm showing a part of a TV show, not even the music that plays behind it, and you can bet your ass that I'll dispute that even if I have to chase down someone at YouTube in person over their idiotic copyright claims system.
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Post by: Mito [PL] on April 04, 2022, 12:00:01 am
****ing ****ers.
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Post by: CT27 on April 04, 2022, 06:04:07 pm
I know you like to try and go in blind with these campaigns to see if you really enjoy them or not.  However, I have a piece of advice for Reboot (and its sequel TBG).  This piece of advice won't spoil the plot, but should help with later parts of Reboot and TBG in general:

When the campaign gives you access to "Widowmaker" missiles, make sure you have at least one bank of them if the mission allows it as they're very helpful and good.
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 06, 2022, 01:21:34 am
Viewing restrictions have been lifted. All the other disputes are on monetization, so I don't really care about those, but that one that was causing viewing to be prohibited is suspended pending a response from the claimant. I think we're in the clear on Mantle.
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Post by: CT27 on April 06, 2022, 05:57:22 pm
FYI for your upcoming The Aftermath: Reboot playthrough:

Herkie has just released updates for the campaigns (Reboot and TBG).  However, he doesn't know how to do Knossos.  You'll have to go to the release threads for each campaign in the Aftermath forum, download the updated files, and then put them where Knossos uses the campaign files if you play using Knossos. (Also, in Reboot's release thread, what is called the 'alternate' campaign is now the canon that TBG follows.  This slightly more upbeat ending was developed after the release of Reboot and then put in.  I've asked Herkie if he should just make this the one ending and forget calling things alternate but he has declined that).


I know you said you like to work with official builds, but I'll just say this one more time:  If you run into technical problems using current MVPs or builds, I ran into no gamebreaking errors using the 2014 MVPs and the October 31, 2017 nightly with these campaigns.


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Post by: mjn.mixael on April 06, 2022, 06:51:16 pm
FYI for your upcoming The Aftermath: Reboot playthrough:

Herkie has just released updates for the campaigns (Reboot and TBG).  However, he doesn't know how to do Knossos.  You'll have to go to the release threads for each campaign in the Aftermath forum, download the updated files, and then put them where Knossos uses the campaign files if you play using Knossos. (Also, in Reboot's release thread, what is called the 'alternate' campaign is now the canon that TBG follows.  This slightly more upbeat ending was developed after the release of Reboot and then put in.  I've asked Herkie if he should just make this the one ending and forget calling things alternate but he has declined that).


I know you said you like to work with official builds, but I'll just say this one more time:  If you run into technical problems using current MVPs or builds, I ran into no gamebreaking errors using the 2014 MVPs and the October 31, 2017 nightly with these campaigns.

I have upload access to those mods on Knossos and will gladly hand over the reigns to someone else to keep them updated.
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Post by: CT27 on April 06, 2022, 10:32:07 pm
FYI for your upcoming The Aftermath: Reboot playthrough:

Herkie has just released updates for the campaigns (Reboot and TBG).  However, he doesn't know how to do Knossos.  You'll have to go to the release threads for each campaign in the Aftermath forum, download the updated files, and then put them where Knossos uses the campaign files if you play using Knossos. (Also, in Reboot's release thread, what is called the 'alternate' campaign is now the canon that TBG follows.  This slightly more upbeat ending was developed after the release of Reboot and then put in.  I've asked Herkie if he should just make this the one ending and forget calling things alternate but he has declined that).


I know you said you like to work with official builds, but I'll just say this one more time:  If you run into technical problems using current MVPs or builds, I ran into no gamebreaking errors using the 2014 MVPs and the October 31, 2017 nightly with these campaigns.

I have upload access to those mods on Knossos and will gladly hand over the reigns to someone else to keep them updated.


I'm not super familiar with Knossos so I don't think I can help you there.  Red's best bet would be to download the new files Herkie made manually and put them in his folders for the games.


Anyways redmagejoe:  I tested out the new update and while I know you like to go in without a lot of expectations, there are a couple missions I want to bring to your attention so you don't get frustrated if you'd like to know:

Act 3- "Galileo..."   (the full name is a plot spoiler for that mission so I didn't put it in just in case you don't want to look at this and go in totally blind)
Spoiler:
Sometimes the Nightingale transport you're supposed to dock with at the end gets destroyed.  Herkie said he can't fix it for some reason, he says it happens randomly.  The best chance he says is to fly straight for the Titan's fighterbay.  The Nightingale comes in about 1km from that point.  Go to it asap when the Nightingale comes in (heading straight for the Titan's bay will put you relatively close to the Nightingale's arrival point).  If you have the previous "missions" file saved somehow...it does seem the Nightingale gets destroyed less randomly on a previous version.


Act 8- "Sicilian Defense"
Spoiler:
Herkie has had some trouble with the Archangel model's primary gun.  It only seems to fire a few times...it's side beams seem to work okay though.  This mission is still very beatable it just means you'll have to be the one to do the most damage to the juggernauts.  Jump on them as soon as you can before they take out the Excelsior or Archangel.  Since the capship you're flying in this mission has very long range, I'd devote most energy to guns for more sustained fire...you don't need to move around as much.
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 07, 2022, 04:07:52 am
My viewers after Telemundo claims my FreeSpace Let's Play stream as infringing on their Spanish soap opera:

(https://i.imgur.com/XTypM7N.jpg)
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Post by: mjn.mixael on April 07, 2022, 12:41:59 pm
FYI for your upcoming The Aftermath: Reboot playthrough:

Herkie has just released updates for the campaigns (Reboot and TBG).  However, he doesn't know how to do Knossos.  You'll have to go to the release threads for each campaign in the Aftermath forum, download the updated files, and then put them where Knossos uses the campaign files if you play using Knossos. (Also, in Reboot's release thread, what is called the 'alternate' campaign is now the canon that TBG follows.  This slightly more upbeat ending was developed after the release of Reboot and then put in.  I've asked Herkie if he should just make this the one ending and forget calling things alternate but he has declined that).


I know you said you like to work with official builds, but I'll just say this one more time:  If you run into technical problems using current MVPs or builds, I ran into no gamebreaking errors using the 2014 MVPs and the October 31, 2017 nightly with these campaigns.

I have upload access to those mods on Knossos and will gladly hand over the reigns to someone else to keep them updated.


I'm not super familiar with Knossos so I don't think I can help you there.  Red's best bet would be to download the new files Herkie made manually and put them in his folders for the games.

Ugh. Fine. I'll do it one more time. But someone affiliated or interested in Aftermath needs figure this out. Knossos is not hard and HLP does not recommend general players to replace files in the Knossos library anymore. In fact that's the whole reason Knossos exists in the first place; so players don't have to muck with files.
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 07, 2022, 12:47:56 pm
Yeah... going to have to go with Mjn on this. Either the new version needs to be on Knossos or I'm playing the old version.
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Post by: CT27 on April 07, 2022, 05:46:28 pm
FYI for your upcoming The Aftermath: Reboot playthrough:

Herkie has just released updates for the campaigns (Reboot and TBG).  However, he doesn't know how to do Knossos.  You'll have to go to the release threads for each campaign in the Aftermath forum, download the updated files, and then put them where Knossos uses the campaign files if you play using Knossos. (Also, in Reboot's release thread, what is called the 'alternate' campaign is now the canon that TBG follows.  This slightly more upbeat ending was developed after the release of Reboot and then put in.  I've asked Herkie if he should just make this the one ending and forget calling things alternate but he has declined that).


I know you said you like to work with official builds, but I'll just say this one more time:  If you run into technical problems using current MVPs or builds, I ran into no gamebreaking errors using the 2014 MVPs and the October 31, 2017 nightly with these campaigns.

I have upload access to those mods on Knossos and will gladly hand over the reigns to someone else to keep them updated.


I'm not super familiar with Knossos so I don't think I can help you there.  Red's best bet would be to download the new files Herkie made manually and put them in his folders for the games.

Ugh. Fine. I'll do it one more time. But someone affiliated or interested in Aftermath needs figure this out. Knossos is not hard and HLP does not recommend general players to replace files in the Knossos library anymore. In fact that's the whole reason Knossos exists in the first place; so players don't have to muck with files.

Thank you for your work on this. 

For "The Aftermath: Reboot", did you also put up the file that Herkie listed in the OP under "Alternate Campaign Ending"?

I've tried to talk to Herkie in the past about just making this new ending the one ending for the campaign...instead of having a version where people have to switch files to get the canon ending but he has declined that.
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Post by: mjn.mixael on April 07, 2022, 08:35:37 pm
FYI for your upcoming The Aftermath: Reboot playthrough:

Herkie has just released updates for the campaigns (Reboot and TBG).  However, he doesn't know how to do Knossos.  You'll have to go to the release threads for each campaign in the Aftermath forum, download the updated files, and then put them where Knossos uses the campaign files if you play using Knossos. (Also, in Reboot's release thread, what is called the 'alternate' campaign is now the canon that TBG follows.  This slightly more upbeat ending was developed after the release of Reboot and then put in.  I've asked Herkie if he should just make this the one ending and forget calling things alternate but he has declined that).


I know you said you like to work with official builds, but I'll just say this one more time:  If you run into technical problems using current MVPs or builds, I ran into no gamebreaking errors using the 2014 MVPs and the October 31, 2017 nightly with these campaigns.

I have upload access to those mods on Knossos and will gladly hand over the reigns to someone else to keep them updated.


I'm not super familiar with Knossos so I don't think I can help you there.  Red's best bet would be to download the new files Herkie made manually and put them in his folders for the games.

Ugh. Fine. I'll do it one more time. But someone affiliated or interested in Aftermath needs figure this out. Knossos is not hard and HLP does not recommend general players to replace files in the Knossos library anymore. In fact that's the whole reason Knossos exists in the first place; so players don't have to muck with files.

Thank you for your work on this. 

For "The Aftermath: Reboot", did you also put up the file that Herkie listed in the OP under "Alternate Campaign Ending"?

I've tried to talk to Herkie in the past about just making this new ending the one ending for the campaign...instead of having a version where people have to switch files to get the canon ending but he has declined that.

In the Knossos version I just rename the alternate campaign files and include both options in the same mod. Players can choose without having to do any copy/paste.
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Post by: CT27 on April 09, 2022, 06:47:53 pm
Thank you.

Redmagejoe, the file originally called AF-MissionsV2 is the one you'll want to use (I'm not sure what MJN renamed it to though); Herkie used that for the 'alternate' ending of Reboot which is now the canon ending that TBG will follow. 


Looking forward to the playthrough.
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Post by: Mito [PL] on April 10, 2022, 02:12:04 pm
So we were all (well, the ones who play AF:R) approaching this with quite a bit of trepidation but


But joe went


My mission is complete.




Edit:

Joe: *flies near a Sobek*
Gunnery officer Zod:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511295431933953/962835251611193404/angery.jpeg)
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 11, 2022, 02:49:00 am
I have fixed all of my Aftermath HUD gripes by ripping the data/fonts from FS2 and shoving them into a data folder in the Aftermath folder, as well as grabbing Mito's axmessage.cfg and putting that in Aftermath's data folder. Life is good now.
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Post by: CT27 on April 11, 2022, 08:03:09 pm
Sorry I couldn't make it onto the discussion.

I watched most of the video and saw you are going with the 'original' version of Reboot.  What Herkie called the 'alternate' ending is the one that is canon and will lead to TBG.


If you want to see the canon ending when you're done with this Reboot playthrough, you don't have to play the whole campaign over again.

After this playthrough if you want to see the canon differences, just go to the tech room and use Ctrl+Shift+S to unlock all missions in the 'alternate' file:
-Play the second to last mission "Slaying Dragons" again as that mission is different at the end

-Then watch the cutscene called
Spoiler:
"A Sacrifice"
as the post "Slaying Dragons" cutscene is now different

-Watch the ending cutscene
Spoiler:
"Victory At Last"
again as it will look a little different


Just in case you want to just flat out know the canon difference now:
Spoiler:
It is canon that the Avenger corvette survives Reboot.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on April 14, 2022, 05:32:13 am
I know this is a little off topic, but there was a major Halo MCC update recently that has me super excited, and I can't wait to share details about it on stream as it pertains to my post FreeSpace streaming!
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Post by: Renegade Paladin on April 17, 2022, 11:25:30 am
RE: PC Riddler


 :D
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Post by: CT27 on April 18, 2022, 06:52:08 pm
In the Reboot videos you're doing now, I heard you bring up the campaign series Lightning Marshall.  That's a pretty good one, will it get officially added to your to-do list?

(FYI, it basically covers from the beginning of the NTF Rebellion to right before FS2 begins)
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 21, 2022, 01:31:51 pm
The Lightning Marshal has been added!

Also we've got some new timestamps up, catching up to our current streams. Thanks as always to Colt for the timestamps.
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Post by: redmagejoe on April 23, 2022, 12:55:46 pm
Mad props to both Colt and Henrik for helping out with timestamps for the videos and just being awesome stream-mates in general. Vassago's Dirge, New Path, and Aftermath Reboot vids are now all timestamped. Fall of Epsilon Pegasi, Frontlines 2334, and Mantle soon to come!

Also still keeping fingers crossed some really cool artistic-eyed person might help me get some lovely thumbnails for those 3 videos. :D
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Post by: Renegade Paladin on April 24, 2022, 09:00:21 am
The Lightning Marshal has been added!

Also we've got some new timestamps up, catching up to our current streams. Thanks as always to Colt for the timestamps.
I'm doing Lightning Marshal on my channel right now.  Quick tip: Not all the new weapons they add made it into command briefings.  Look for Seeker Tempests way down at the bottom of your missile inventory when you get to the "Where Eagles Dare" entry in the anthology.  They're disgusting.   :D  (Which really helps, because the Eagles missions are hard.)

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on April 26, 2022, 08:35:21 am
Hey Joe,

Can you give me the YouTube link for Between The Ashes? I like that campaign. Though I played only the early version of it. The technical design of its missions are amazing and I got most of their "techniques" to make TBG.

I love your videos. I was having fun. Though my campaign had many flaws, I truly take it positively, even taking notes where I did wrong and intend to fix them.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on April 26, 2022, 09:41:19 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv5yu1e8F7A&list=PLOqrMiqae04R2_glBDkDu58oMcPHobiIk&index=29

Got you covered, Herkie. And I'm glad you're enjoying the playthrough as much as I'm enjoying playing it!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Renegade Paladin on April 26, 2022, 05:01:37 pm
If you're interested in two takes on it, here's my BtA playthrough.  (Link is a playlist; I publish missions one at a time.)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKAassda4uU&list=PLnhtcNJee-ar3hPW0nNCtAaOrjeCq59Nj&index=60
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on April 26, 2022, 08:03:40 pm
Yeah, awesome. The both of you. Thanks.  :) :) :) :yes:

I just turn 63, April 23, so Joe's 2 streams of AFR are kind of a birthday gift for me.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on April 26, 2022, 10:50:35 pm
THE STORY BEHIND THE XJR PHANTOM

You think that Richter was recruited to the military for his skills. He was not. They recruited him because of his personal uber-interceptor. When Admiral Cartwright signed him up, the admiral took the ship and told Richter that it will be in his "caring custody" and ordered Richter to use the standard issue. The military actually had a degree of interest on this craft and tried to aquire it legally. This is in the tech description of the XJR Phantom. Secretly, Cartwright commissioned engineers to study its inner workings and the result were the GTF Avalanche and the GTF Raptor which will be available later in the campaign. The class of fighters that matched the Phantom. Eventually, the Admiral let Richter use the Phantom because they were done with it, no longer intetested with it. They won't even mass-produce it in the future.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on April 29, 2022, 04:28:49 pm
I've been busy this week, but I'm going to try to collect all the advice in comments (or if you'd be so kind as to put the controls suggestions here Herkie, that would be very helpful) before the stream and make sure everything is up and running. Also...

IMPORTANT SCHEDULE ANNOUNCEMENT!

Sunday, May 8th, there will be no stream! It's Mother's Day, and I'm going to be spending time with the family and treating my mother to dinner. You should all spend the day with your mothers as well, if you can. You have all been informed, but I will mention it again at the end of the stream this Sunday!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on April 29, 2022, 08:20:01 pm
I know you like to keep track of various campaign updates and mention them on the stream at the beginning.

This week there have been the following campaign updates (as far as I know they weren't major updates, but the version number changed):
Reunion
Wing Commander Saga
MJN HD mainhalls (not a campaign, but there has been an update to it)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 04, 2022, 02:07:26 am
Hey Joe. Have a good time on Mother's Day.

I am impressed on what you did in the mission, "Shackles of War," rescuing the Damocles. You did it in your second try. Believe me, my success chance in that mission is only 15%. Even I have difficulties to beat my own creation.

In many missions, you will find the "self-destructed" thing. I use that for "scripted" events. Meaning that ship will inevitably be destroyed, demanded by the story. In many cases, I use the self-destruct thing to destroy an invisible, invulnerable ship or ships. These are scenario "markers" since in my mission designs, many things can happen, many branching scenarios. The FRED's equivalent, the "Event true" SEXP is not that robust and limited in scope so I use this. You will find a ship in the mission Event list (F4) that is named "Mission Objective." That's actually a ship, it does not move, no weapons, friendlies and hostiles can't and won't target it, invisible and invulnerable because it's only an event marker. It will self-destruct when a certain scenario or event happened.

But in case of the mission to destroy a Shivan convoy, Capella self-destructed, I was surprised. It's a bug. Capella should have jumped out. I'll check into it and fix it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 04, 2022, 02:21:21 am
Oh, I also have a pathetic YouTube channel, not many viewers. Songs I have composed and performed. Please subscribe, like and share. Sorry for the plugging.

https://m.youtube.com/user/herkie423/videos

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 04, 2022, 12:15:17 pm
Awesome! I added links to your channels to the description as I've done with other campaigns. I'll be sure to plug your stuff on my next stream! Thanks for making such a fun mod and being so cool and informative, Herkie. :cool:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 04, 2022, 11:05:38 pm
Awesome! I added links to your channels to the description as I've done with other campaigns. I'll be sure to plug your stuff on my next stream! Thanks for making such a fun mod and being so cool and informative, Herkie. :cool:

Thank you. It's my pleasure.

Oh, I watched EACH of your streams like 5 times now. I'm taking notes of my mistakes due to my forgetfulness. Like the player order option, some of the ships that should not  be ordered. I will be fixing the AFR missions so a future update will be coming.

Regarding the missing textures and the flashing light show ("the system is down... p...p...plup"),... Ah,... that's a compatibility issue. The mod still uses the ancient FSO 3.7.4. I don't know what the newer FSO versions had implemented. It will take me years to learn that on my own, I don't have that many years.

I actually submitted my two mods to HLP for restoration. I hope somebody will take it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 06, 2022, 07:56:30 pm
From the four videos so far of Reboot here are what I would guess would be some of Red's favorite dialogue lines (and based on the chat reaction):

"Perhaps it is time to take my existence to the next level."
"Unfair business practices are not tolerated in this galaxy."
"I need your courage and your balls."
"You remind me of a good friend I had.  He's dead now."


Did I miss anything Red?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 06, 2022, 11:50:21 pm
CT, you forgot one more line... "Don't be confident." LOL, LMAO... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Damn speech barrier.  :lol: Ok, I'll correct that.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 10, 2022, 01:53:01 pm
Hope everyone enjoyed the week off. Sorry I couldn't do something fantastic for the 1 year anniversary, but I hope you'll all look forward to this weekend's stream!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on May 10, 2022, 06:16:22 pm
Don't you worry fam, this stream is definitely going to be worthy of the first anniversary of IFGFSO.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 11, 2022, 09:40:25 pm
I've got two things to talk about (updates and advice for an upcoming AFR mission):

1-Updates
Since you like to talk about updates in the beginning, here are the updates I've found since the last stream (some are small bugfixes I think but it was enough to change the version number):
MVPs 4.6.X has been released
Blue Planet Complete
Between The Ashes
NTF Ship Textures
The Scroll Of Atankharzim
Wing Commander Saga
Aftermath 2 (aka "The Blue Guardian")...Herkie put out a single file to update the missions file which fixes some important bugs.  He doesn't know how to do Knossos so he posted it in TBG's release thread.  Just pop it in the
    folder for TBG and replace the older mission file with this new one. A small note though:  loading this campaign on 22.0 after this update seems to produce an error notice for some reason(however, this notice doesn't appear
    to be gamebreaking or affect gameplay negatively as I'm able to continue into the game after it and I saw no problems in missions).  I posted more details about this in AF2's release thread in the AF forum.



2-AFR:
On an upcoming mission in Act 8 called "Sicilian Defense" (since you just completed the Archangel's debut you'll probably get to this one):
You may have to give the Archangel some help when
Spoiler:
the Sathanas juggernauts come in.  There seems to be a bug in newer versions of AFR in this mission where the Archangel only fires a few times with its main gun (though its side guns still function normally).  The mission is still very beatable, you'll just have to be more proactive in taking out the juggernauts with your ship than you would otherwise.  I would concentrate on juggernauts and use your escort Boreas ships to attack destroyers.  The Boreas has incredible range so you might not even have to move all that much if at all (though it might be good to position oneself just a little above and behind the Archangel.  I would devote energy from engines to guns. 

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 13, 2022, 06:46:58 pm
Herkie was able to get on FB but otherwise has internet troubles right now so he asked me to pass along this message/advice to Red/Joe:

"INFO: There are missions when they are over (RTB), the fighting still continues. This is to demonstrate that friendlies will constantly be under fire especially in the Shivan system. You are lucky in the mission with the Acquitaine that I respawned the extra fighters only 25 times  (Well, Adhara was infested with Shivans at that point). But in later missions in your following streams, extra fighters will respawn about 100 times or more, including cap ships. So if you receive the RTB or Dock order, please do so right away (unless you want to rack up more kills)."
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 16, 2022, 02:47:25 am
I missed sunday's show because I volunteered to count ballots in the state election here on Sunday - forgot just how much the red tape slows the process down and so I wasn't back at home in time to join in.

Congrats on the anniversary!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 16, 2022, 06:51:45 pm
Should the cartwheeling Garuda try out for the Olympics? ;)


Anyways, you're fairly close to the end now and might be able to finish Reboot in the next stream (though it might need to be just a tad longer than the average one). 

Just to be sure you see it closer to the stream and not too far in advance, I'll post instructions again for how to see the canon ending (which the release thread labels as the alternate ending) in this thread and PM you on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 18, 2022, 06:30:57 pm
Redmagejoe, since you might be able to finish the Reboot stream this weekend, I'll post some info here again (and in a PM just to be sure you get it) about the ending (the PM I send you won't have spoiler text so don't read it if you actually want to go in totally blind).


The second to last playable mission in the campaign is called "Slaying Dragons" (this is in Act 10), this is where the difference between the 'original' ending and 'alternate' (canon) ending happen.  There is also a cutscene right after this mission. 

The post-"Slaying Dragons" cutscene has a different name (which you could see in the techroom) depending on which version you play.  I forget the original name but the alternate/canon version is called
Spoiler:
"A Sacrifice"
This is the version that will lead into Aftermath 2:  The Blue Guardian.

To sum it up, the canon version of events is that
Spoiler:
The Avenger survives the events of AFR

There is also a slight difference in the ending/credits sequence of AFR so you might want to play the alternate/canon file version of that too if you have time. 

Basically, if you want to see the differences play the alternate/canon campaign file version of:
-"Slaying Dragons"
-the cutscene
Spoiler:
"A Sacrifice"
-ending/credits sequence


Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 22, 2022, 05:48:36 am
Happy streaming, Joe.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 22, 2022, 05:30:05 pm
Happy streaming, Joe.

It looks like he took today off since pt.6 is now listed to be shown on May 29.

In any case, we're looking forward to it Joe.  Hope you enjoy the conclusion.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 22, 2022, 05:38:20 pm
YouTube was having serious issues with the stream, and it was incredibly inconsistent and disruptive. After 30 minutes of fighting with it, I opted to just try again next week.

Funny enough, during my test stream with Colt and Henrik afterwards, it seemed to have improved. Given other factors compared to last time this happened briefly, where it was my network, this time it seemed wholly to be on YouTube's end.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 22, 2022, 05:46:00 pm
YouTube was having serious issues with the stream, and it was incredibly inconsistent and disruptive. After 30 minutes of fighting with it, I opted to just try again next week.

Funny enough, during my test stream with Colt and Henrik afterwards, it seemed to have improved. Given other factors compared to last time this happened briefly, where it was my network, this time it seemed wholly to be on YouTube's end.

When it gets closer to May 29 do you want me to re-send you the PM I sent you on the conclusion of AFR so that it's fresher in your memory (i.e., you'll have it closer to the event)?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 22, 2022, 07:51:21 pm
YouTube was having serious issues with the stream, and it was incredibly inconsistent and disruptive. After 30 minutes of fighting with it, I opted to just try again next week.

That's bad. Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing it. I cannot see it live though because of the time  zone difference here.

Oh, I forgot to tell you. Congratulations to IllfatedGamingTV for your anniversary. Keep on streaming.  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 29, 2022, 03:31:17 am
It's 6 hours until I prep for stream time and I'm still awake. I'm still awake because some recent change has caused most AFR missions to break within seconds of mission start. The application hangs and freezes and has to be force-closed. I'm able to complete missions in other FSO mods, but not AFR for some reason. Here's the log for the fast debug I did on the upcoming mission, and the problem is likely what's happening on all the missions given that it's the exact same hanging behavior. Help me out here, HLP, so I can sleep.

https://fsnebula.org/log/62932ec25c2e006df8f34095
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 30, 2022, 04:41:19 pm
Yey! You finished the campaign! And I enjoyed watching it. It's too bad I cannot join the live stream because of the time difference. When you went live, it was May 30 at 2am in my place. I could have added some hints. And I could have explained a little the post credit scene. But I will do so in this post with no spoilers. Please do note that this is AFR universe. And so...

The Blue Guardian is the patriarch leader of the Shivan race, an enigmatic race that occupies 3/4 of the galaxy. What the GTVA fought in FS1 and FS2 is just a rouge faction led by Grond (the planet Shiva was just an outpost which the GTVA mistakenly called the Shivan home planet). Again, I stress that this is AFR universe. Now, Grond's actions angered the Ancient (the purple ship in the post credits scene) and the Blue Guardian was trying rectify the chaos caused by Grond and he chose to influence John Richter as a tool to solve the problem, the human he refered to as the "receptor." The Ancient, however, believes that Richter will be a problem in the future. This is what the post credits scene dialogue was all about.

And this mystery will be answered in the sequel, The Blue Guardian. The title itself hints the return of this blue shivan.

One tiny spoiler: John Richter is an admiral six months later (the time between AFR and AF2). He is CO of the 23rd Battlegroup. As the hero of the GTVA, he skipped the Commodore rank. But he is no longer the main protagonist. AF2's protagonist is a female.

By the way, you do get promoted very fast in times of war which I greatly exaggerated in AFR, sacrificing some realism.

AFR is a "player-driven" campaign. No character plot. Just a war campaign. Very little dialogue. If there is a story, it's the mission themselves. A simple story of how the GTVA win it this time. Like you said, an experience which I actually intended. However, there are also clues of some undercurrent going on which pave the way for the sequel.

AF2:TBG is a "character-driven" campaign. That means it has a real story now. A real character and story progression with a protagonist and a bad ass villain. More dialogues. And it's a bit serious. But this time, I only wrote less than half of the campaign or maybe 20%. My main writer is CT27. This is his work, I just designed the missions and directed the whole chaos. :)
 
EDIT: ...And yes, there is chaos. A tradition of "The Aftermath" universe. You go pew pew! But the enemies will really go pew pew on you too and drive you really nuts!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 30, 2022, 09:19:02 pm
I really enjoyed the conclusion Joe.  Thanks for doing this.  BTW, I'm trying to work with Herkie to get an update for TBG.  Just to understand the schedule of things, will you be doing TBG (Aftermath 2) after this "Blighted" campaign?


Also, to clarify the differences in "Dragon Slayer" that you were asking about in the video:

In the non-canon version (the original version):
Spoiler:
  During the mission both of your escort Boreas ships get destroyed.  Toward the end Command orders you to engage the detonation sequence on the Avenger.  You (Richter) escape in the escape pod as you saw in the video "Death of a Avenger".


In the canon version (the 'alternate' ending which leads into TBG):
Spoiler:
What's supposed to happen is that one of your Boreas escorts gets destroyed.  Toward the end the other one gets disabled.  This is when the massive Shivan reinforcements are supposed to come in.  The surviving Boreas agrees to sacrifice itself to destroy the Shivan fleet.  Command orders Richter and the Avenger along with the allied pilots to escape.  Richter escapes with the Avenger just as the Boreas begins the detonation sequence.  It is damaged but escapes and is rescued later as seen in the video "A Sacrifice". 


There is no difference between the two versions of "Final Confrontation".

The credits sequence is mostly the same too except for one small difference:
Spoiler:
In the alternate campaign file version (which is the canon version), the Avenger is present in the 'parade' of ships.


Also, since some people were wondering about Petrarch:
Spoiler:
  He survives the events of Reboot.  He was willing to sacrifice himself in the Aquitaine's suicide mission in "Final Confrontation", but Command refused to let him do that or go on board.  They wanted him to survive the war and didn't want a hero of multiple wars to die in a suicide mission when a skeleton crew could accomplish the mission.  He passes away of natural causes sometime between Reboot and TBG.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on May 31, 2022, 04:54:32 am
FUN FACT:

The last mission of AFR is actually THE FIRST mission I made in 2011. The Archangel was the Colossus before and the Royal Sath was just a normal Sathanas. Literally, it was the first mission since I discovered the FRED tool.

Then after I played Blue Planet part 1 and 2 in 2012 (War in Heaven was not voice-acted yet). I was inspired and the original "The Aftermath" was born (dependent on BP) and released in 2012 Sectorgames. This why most of my ships here are from BP.

I can't believe AF Reboot is 6 years old (released 2016) and it still works with the new FSOs and MVPs (considering I am still using FSO 3.7.4 in updating it).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 31, 2022, 07:41:46 pm
Since this was talked about near the end of the stream, just for fun, if the campaign (and TBG) was to get voice acting (which probably will never happen), who would be a good voice for Richter?  How about Ransom (who did Mackie from Derelict and a character in BP)?


Darkblade seems to do a lot of voicework, I think he might be good for Robert Prescott.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on June 02, 2022, 05:23:30 am
Darkblade seems to do a lot of voicework, I think he might be good for Robert Prescott.

I think the voice of Presscot must be like "Command" voice.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 02, 2022, 05:46:07 pm
Got a sweet splash screen and thumbnail courtesy of the man himself, Asteroth!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 02, 2022, 07:11:03 pm
Darkblade seems to do a lot of voicework, I think he might be good for Robert Prescott.

I think the voice of Presscot must be like "Command" voice.

Darkblade has done a number of authority figures/admirals before so I think he'd be good for this.

Examples of his work:
Admiral Po in "BTA"
Admiral Wilson in "Fall Of Epsilon Pegasi"
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on June 03, 2022, 02:35:26 am
Got a sweet splash screen and thumbnail courtesy of the man himself, Asteroth!

This is a good "palate-cleanser" (or is it "pallette-cleanser") before going into AF2:TBG. I was worried that you'll go straight into AF2 because I felt that AFR worn you down. Hell, it did to me too everytime I played the campaign... I say EVERYTIME.

AF2:TBG is the next level. The designs are very complicated now because I have learned many tricks from BTA, Exile, and Blue Planet Acts 1 to 3. AF2 uses  modified AI profiles similar to BP-Complete. Meaning, AIs (friendly and hostile) can use Widowmakers, use the most powerful weapons, link their weapons if necessary, manage their shields and power levels, and even lure you away from the battle or make distractions and diversions. Many people complained about TBG being very very difficult. So, I rebalanced it again in a series of updates. AF2 is playable now. Anyway, the campaign is short, 5 Acts, only 32 playable missions plus 6 cutscenes (I've learned my lesson).

But before you get into AF2:TBG (if you are pushing through with it), read the campaign description first to get an idea of what you are heading into. Here's the link:

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96405.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 03, 2022, 06:32:16 pm
Red, I'll give you some more advice on TBG later, two brief comments for now though:

1-I know you play most campaigns on Medium, however TBG is a jump up in difficulty from AFR.  I would suggest playing it on Easy since Herkie has made it 'less simple' than AFR gameplay (some things a first time player might find frustrating).  Heck, I would not be against you doing it on Very Easy (I don't want to scare you though; while TBG is more difficult than AFR...subsequent updates have made it not nearly as difficult as the original release version of TBG).

2-If you want to take another week off after Blighted before you do TBG that's fine too.  Herkie is working on another update for TBG (which will address some of the difficulty concerns I mentioned earlier) and I'm not 100% sure when it will be out (it's probably not a super long time but I can't guarantee it would be within the next couple weeks). 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on June 04, 2022, 04:37:55 pm
For Blighted, make sure you're using version 1.3.2. It's been updated to require, and I've been testing on 22.0, but anything afterwards should be ok too. I've been doing a bit of bugfixing, and me and Mito have been giving it a thrice-over/blowing off any dust, so there shouldn't be any major issues. There's been one or two minor bugs I haven't been able to pin down yet but nothing show-stopping.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 04, 2022, 07:32:58 pm
I've tried some testing of TBG and did a playthrough of it.  On some later builds there's a gamebreaking mission bug in "Lightning From Heaven" that comes up in recent official builds.  Herkie's looking into it but can't seem to fix it right now (I'm not saying it will never get fixed but it won't be in the near future).  There are some other problems with more recent builds (like 21.0...I tested on that version too).  I tested a number of missions on FSO 19.0, 21.0, 21.4, and 22.0.


An older version we tested it on was FSO 19.0.  That version worked the best and had no gamestopping errors like other builds.  You would have to play that on the 4.3 MVPs but the newer versions of ships in 4.4 and 4.5 MVPs are barely used at all in TBG.  If you want an uninterrupted experience I would recommend playing TBG on FSO 19.0 and 4.3 MVPs (there are a couple minor glitches in 19.0 I found but no gamebreaking/gamestopping errors).  This is also Herkie's recommendation for the time being.


Herkie is working on an update to TBG that will reduce the difficulty of the campaign, but it might be a week before it's out (it probably won't fix the issue I mentioned in the beginning though).  If you wanted to take some more time after Blighted before doing TBG to do another campaign or two, that's no problem.  If you wanted to do BP stuff before TBG that would be fine as well.  This will ensure that this newest update will be available.  Herkie is also working on trying to learn Knossos and the newest official build (FSO 22.0) and relatively new MVP 4.5.X  (I know there's a 4.6 MVPs out but he hasn't tried downloading those yet).



 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 04, 2022, 07:34:26 pm
The more I'm reading, the more it sounds like perhaps I should move AFR2 a bit further until some of the kinks get worked out...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 04, 2022, 07:42:45 pm
The more I'm reading, the more it sounds like perhaps I should move AFR2 a bit further until some of the kinks get worked out...

You posted this just as I posted my previous message.   ;)


That wouldn't be a bad idea.  Though I can't promise there will be a version on the newest builds that will work flawlessly.  There's a gamebreaking bug that Herkie can't figure out right now on recent builds.  When it comes to at least relatively recent official builds, there were a few gamebreaking issues on 21.0.  21.4 and 22.0 (tested using 4.5 MVPs) worked better but had that "Lightning From Heaven" gamebreaking issue.


I wouldn't say all is lost. This issue is only on recent builds.  On FSO 19.0 (4.3.X MVPs) TBG runs fine and encountered no major issues (one or two minor glitches that don't mess up gameplay or cause any real problems...that's about it).  For the time being (unless we hear from Herkie otherwise), that's the route I'd go.


Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 05, 2022, 09:59:10 am
I would suggest that herkie posts about said bugs in his topics. I'm pretty sure people more up to date with FSO developement could spare him a ton of bug hunting.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on June 06, 2022, 04:53:36 am
I would suggest that herkie posts about said bugs in his topics. I'm pretty sure people more up to date with FSO developement could spare him a ton of bug hunting.

Oh, I already know what the bug is. It's the ships that I flagged "Don't move" (ship miscellaneous option). With FSO 3.7.4, the ships flagged as "Don't move," will stay in place but they can still rotate to face their target (like the Mjolnir). Now, with FSO 22, they absolutely don't move at all. That's understandable, I guess. I used the "don't move" feature in 1 AFR mission and 2 TBG missions as a "Mjolnir-type" remote artillery strike gameplay.

And I solved them already. It's just a matter of adding ship assets with the same model and table data but with zero value in their foward or backward movements like the Mjolnir. So, I won't have to use the "don't move" flag anymore and, instead,
use those new assets. I have already done the fix and it will be in an upcoming update.

With the Archangel dreadnaught bug in the mission "Lightning From Heaven," I mistakenly gave an SEXP order to the ship before it stopped decelerating from subspace, 10 seconds after it energed ("has arrive" SEXP). Players will notice its speed to be 300ms even if it had stopped moving. I already fixed this too along with the bug of the dreadnaught not firing.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 06, 2022, 08:12:51 am
I love a good Dreadnaught.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 06, 2022, 07:47:18 pm
If Herkie can get this Archangel bug fixed, then TBG might be able to be moved back up Joe's list since that was the only gamebreaking problem I found in TBG on 21.4 and 22.0.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on June 06, 2022, 08:03:20 pm
Looking forward to seeing some Blue Planet Complete! I won't be able to make the next couple streams but I'll try to pop in after that.

What resolution do you want for your thumbnail screenshots? I'll swing something over that's a bit more up to date, the current pic has the old Raynor and Titan models from around 2007.

(https://i.imgur.com/pPdA1zD.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on June 07, 2022, 04:57:16 am
If Herkie can get this Archangel bug fixed, then TBG might be able to be moved back up Joe's list since that was the only gamebreaking problem I found in TBG on 21.4 and 22.0.

Hey, CT. I already fixed it. Well, on my end using 374. It should work with the new FSOs (I hope).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 07, 2022, 01:22:51 pm
Looking forward to seeing some Blue Planet Complete! I won't be able to make the next couple streams but I'll try to pop in after that.

What resolution do you want for your thumbnail screenshots? I'll swing something over that's a bit more up to date, the current pic has the old Raynor and Titan models from around 2007.

(https://i.imgur.com/pPdA1zD.png)

1920x1080 would be awesome my dude. I had to make due with the same splash I used for Battle of Neptune because I couldn't find anything "FreeSpace + Neptune" -y enough for that one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 07, 2022, 06:50:42 pm
If Herkie can get this Archangel bug fixed, then TBG might be able to be moved back up Joe's list since that was the only gamebreaking problem I found in TBG on 21.4 and 22.0.

Hey, CT. I already fixed it. Well, on my end using 374. It should work with the new FSOs (I hope).

What I meant was when I can get the update you did and test it.  I'll test it on 22.0 and let Joe know how it went.

No rush Herkie.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 09, 2022, 08:52:27 am
Looking forward to seeing some Blue Planet Complete! I won't be able to make the next couple streams but I'll try to pop in after that.

What resolution do you want for your thumbnail screenshots? I'll swing something over that's a bit more up to date, the current pic has the old Raynor and Titan models from around 2007.

(https://i.imgur.com/pPdA1zD.png)

1920x1080 would be awesome my dude. I had to make due with the same splash I used for Battle of Neptune because I couldn't find anything "FreeSpace + Neptune" -y enough for that one.

You've not BP'd yet???
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Ertanax on June 09, 2022, 11:13:01 am
In my position as 2022's blue planet Stan and a creator of Blue Planet content from Wish.com, I shall probably stick around on teamspeak for the Blue Planet Saga.

It would be cool if we could get Darius in the TS.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on June 09, 2022, 12:04:08 pm
Got a couple early Monday starts and seeing as the streams start 11pm Western Australia time I'll give those sessions a miss.

Probably be able to TS it up by the time Joe gets to AoA, assuming next few weeks are FSBlue.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Dilmah G on June 10, 2022, 12:37:59 am
...seeing as the streams start 11pm Western Australia time...
Yeah, this hurts the most. I'll hang around 11pm-12am this weekend so we at least have some WA representation in Darius's absence.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on June 10, 2022, 11:11:07 am
You decided to start with the Blue Planet series. That is very good. It's the ultimate mod, I tell you. I played it like dozens of times already over the years. I even have my own versions of it, all the Acts, modified to be more chaotic --- We'll for my own enjoyment anyway, I won't release them.

To be honest, when I first played BP in 2012, I thought it was an official sequel of FS2 made by Volition. Then later, I learned it was a fan-made mod. Wow! Such quality! Blue Planet gave me the very inspiration to create the original "The Aftermath" in 2012 and four years later, 2016,  "The Aftermath Reboot." Now, you know why most of my ships are BP ships.

Now, the entire BPC is longer than AFR and they are really daunting. Truly, a next level type of Freespace gaming. So that will take 7 to 8 streams... maybe. So at least 2 months. In that time, I will have fixed all the kinks in TBG and to my best of my ability, the grammar issues but then, CT27 is my writer (an American), so more like typos; I am very bad in typing. By the time you finish BPC, AF2:TBG will be ready... If you decide to stream TBG that is.

I am anticipating the BPC streams. I will spend prepaid internet money to view them and download them. In my opinion, this is the best mod of all.

I also want to thank you for doing the AFR streams. They are funny and outrageous. With all it's flaws and very simplistic story (maybe bad), you still push through with it. Unbeliavable. Well, AFR was made for pure fun like the Colony Wars Series (PSone) or Freelancer. No need for deep story lines. Just pure fun. Pure chaotic fun.

TBG, though, is a different matter. A different animal... tune in next week....  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 10, 2022, 12:03:39 pm
For those of you wanting to join me in the TeamSpeak for the streams, just send me a PM and I'll toss you the address.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 15, 2022, 12:53:28 pm
Another year older, another chance to reflect on how wildly the world has changed in the last 34 years. What a trip.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 15, 2022, 04:41:01 pm
This won't affect things until later, but as of right now, I've noticed a couple gamestopping errors on Derelict when using the 4.6 MVPs with FSO 22.0.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on June 15, 2022, 05:38:39 pm
happy bday, joe
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 16, 2022, 01:44:52 am
Birthday?
Shots shots, shots shots shots
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on June 16, 2022, 07:55:07 am
Happy birthday 🎂, Joe! Yeah baby!

You're in your wonderful years, dude.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 19, 2022, 04:59:07 pm
I know it's not FreeSpace, but I hope that you'll all come out and support Kehra on her stream!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 20, 2022, 12:03:14 am
Warning - in the current BPC version, the last two missions of FSBlue will outright crash. Expect a BPC update or someone sending you a hotfix this week.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on June 20, 2022, 01:47:42 am
I know it's not FreeSpace, but I hope that you'll all come out and support Kehra on her stream!


I've been wating for this since you mentioned it. Sadly, I will be still at work at that time :|
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2022, 09:41:18 am
I know it's not FreeSpace, but I hope that you'll all come out and support Kehra on her stream!


Starting soon. Catch you guys in the courtroom!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 23, 2022, 06:12:56 pm
To let people know how the work on Aftermath 2: TBG is going:

Good news and bad news:
I completed a test playthrough on FSO 22.0 and MVPs 4.6  using the latest update files Herkie made and it was mostly fine (the "Lightning From Heaven" Gabriel bug was fixed).  However, there was one bug/glitch in one mission that we tried and tried to fix  on this particular build combo but couldn't.  However, the mission was passable if a certain cheat was used at a certain point (I would PM RMJ about this ahead of time).  Other than that the campaign worked as intended by Herkie. 

On the other hand, the campaign had no gamebreaking bugs as far as I could tell on FSO 19.0 and 4.3 MVPs. 


RMJ said he was moving TBG back until the bugs could be fixed.  I would say it's at the best point it's going to be.  Since you talked about this earlier RMJ, I think it's at a point where it could be put on the stream (I'm not saying it has to be right after BPC though) in the semi-near future.


P.S.:  Happy belated birthday!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on June 25, 2022, 10:14:13 pm
Fixes for mission crashes of the last few missions of FSBlue are being uploaded to Knossos. You may want to update the mod early tomorrow and test that it hasn't broken everything ahead of time.


EDIT:

(https://i.imgur.com/ORory3O.jpg)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 28, 2022, 07:01:33 pm
Minor update from Herkie:

You know how I just posted that TBG plays fine on 22.0/4.6MVPs except for one mission ("Plans To Negotiate") that has a gamebreaking error that requires a cheat to get through (but after that the game works fine)?  Herkie said he may have found a way to fix that but won't be able to do that until around a couple months from now (he's on a long work trip). 

(FYI:  19.0/4.3MVPs still works without gamebreaking errors)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 01, 2022, 12:55:51 am

Hope you'll all come out and support Kehra tomorrow.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on July 05, 2022, 12:09:29 am
Caught up on the VoD after missing on Sunday...

I must say, I didn't know the Command Briefing of Demons of the Past had been expanded ... and I think, in hindsight, that addition shines a light on things that I think just make WiH uncomfortable to revist following the enthusiam I initially had about it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on July 05, 2022, 01:39:29 am
Just a small preview of AF2: The Blue Guardian. First contact with the Regilians and the proving the rumor about the GTXV Avenger to be true.

This is also how the game look on my end

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2022, 04:18:53 pm
Kehra's new stream is scheduled. If you can make it out, please come support her. Otherwise, be sure to catch the VOD for more kangaroo court shenanigans.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 09, 2022, 05:14:29 pm
Mito was awesome enough to hook me up with timestamps for Episode 004 of the Blue Planet videos, as Colt has been super busy with IRL and his own FRED projects, so I just wanted to give a shout-out to my dude for that. If anyone else is willing to volunteer timestamps for any videos as they come, or either of the missing ones (Blue Planet [003] and Blighted), I'd be super grateful.

IN OTHER NEWS, expect load times to be far smaller and stream quality to be improved. I have JUST gotten all of my games moved over to a newly ordered 2 Terabyte SDD. FreeSpace was previously running off of an HDD I had other non-volatile data on, so it was anything other than ideal. I'll babble about it more before tomorrow's gameplay. Hope to see you all there!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 10, 2022, 02:30:10 pm
Over the course of today's stream I've attempted to make timestamps on-the-go. That said, between the connection issues and youtube's... uncomfortable way of displaying current stream times, I had to round the times a bunch and I'm not certain if I hit the times just right.
So to anyone out there, if you are watching this VOD, could you please verify if the times I have estimated are right, make corrections and post them, if possible?

Timestamps:
Hidden Text: Show
0:00 waiting room
9:30 Joe is showing us how small and insignificant he is
15:40 pre-stream banter

**Finishing off Age of Aquarius**

21:00 Joe and co. trying to buy stuff in a hardware store
27:40 Universal Truth, take 2, for real this time
29:45 Loadout fail
35:40 Take threeeeee
37:25 Desperate times call for desperate measure: the meme squad
40:40 A bunch of close calls
42:40 BONK
53:00 Joe's connection gets EWARd
57:00 We back to shootin' lads
58:30 Last playable mission of Age of Aquarius
1:01:30 OH NO
1:10:30 Credits cutscene
1:15:00 Replaying First Contact just to see...
1:17:20 ...a little easter egg.

**War in Heaven act 1**

1:20:40 Starting cutscene - Artemis Station
1:23:40 Mission #1 - The Cost of War
1:38:50 BONK
1:46:30 He ded... take two
1:45:00 Everyone else ded... checkpoints are life
1:52:00 Nukebonked to death... take four
1:55:00 Joe can't even stop a dog from pissing on a hydrant
1:57:00 Take five...
2:05:00 Mission #2 - Collateral Damage
2:22:00 Mission #3 - Post Meridian
2:32:00 He has angered THE GAZIBO
2:39:30 This is a very special support pilot
2:46:30 Mission #4 - Ken
3:05:20 Mission #5 - For The Wrong Reasons
3:17:00 Basically dies immediately... take two
3:24:30 Joe's bonking talent at full blast
3:38:30 Mission #6 - Darkest Hour
3:51:00 Second try
3:52:30 Random death, third try
3:59:00 Joe being ganged up on by missiles, fourth try
4:00:00 A little too close to danger, fifth try
4:01:00 One more try, I guess

4:15:00 Post-stream banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Grizzly on July 11, 2022, 02:57:19 pm
Joe last stream (paraphrased): "I can live with being a pawn if the game makes sense!"

Have to say, I'm normally not much for streams at all (whenever I watch a videogame stream I get the irresistible urge to just stop watching and play the game myself). But watching Joe's live reactions to BP's storyline was a lot of fun. The community surrounding these streams definitely also helps.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 11, 2022, 05:40:37 pm
Really happy to see that you are enjoying the show! I really enjoy making it, whether I give that impression or not. It's just a joy to share this experience with others and have them entertained and building an enjoyable community atmosphere. Hope that you come to more!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 11, 2022, 06:48:12 pm
An update from Herkie (since he would like to get TBG on your stream...he really enjoyed the playthrough you did on AFR):

He said his work trip will be done in mid-August (about a couple months earlier than anticipated) so he'll begin work on the TBG update when he gets back.  Assuming he fixes the error in the 4.6MVPs/22.0 version and after I test it...TBG might be good to go in September for you.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 11, 2022, 07:18:01 pm
Sounds good! I see everyone pushing 22.2 RC, so if the only major issue is MediaVPs, it may be worth focusing on that since I sense 22.2 may end up coming out before too long and be the new standard. But 22.0 works for most of the mods I now have and I don't see any reason 22.2 RC has to be accommodated if it only creates more work. As far as I'm concerned, 22.0 is particularly stable. Now if only I could say the same for my Sunday internet service.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Grizzly on July 13, 2022, 07:37:40 am
Oh, and I mentioned this a couple of times in chat, but it bears repeating:
BP and especially War In Heaven has some very good debriefs, even sometimes when you die! It's worth seeing them. They often contain very useful hints, or sometimes plot developments.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2022, 11:24:40 am
Kehra's new stream is scheduled. If you can make it out, please come support her. Otherwise, be sure to catch the VOD for more kangaroo court shenanigans.


Let's gooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 14, 2022, 07:14:29 am
Liked what I saw of it 🤣
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on July 14, 2022, 08:27:38 am
Hello Joe,

I just posted my last official HLP post.

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98317.0

However, the last update for AFR and TBG will be released most likely in the 2nd week of August or the 1st.

EDIT: Correction--- Not my last official post. My last official modding work. I will linger in HLP but I won't do anymore updates. My brain is having a hard time focusing nowadays. Crap, my english is really terrible.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 14, 2022, 12:09:34 pm
In response to Herkie's above post, I will reiterate here what I stated in his thread. I ask that everyone following their thread pay appropriate respects to the wonderful experiences that Herkie has given us. Bless you, Herkie.

Despite any impression I may have given, I have really enjoyed your work, Herkie. I'm happy that you were able to poor your heart and soul into something creative to share with the rest of the world before your retirement.

Please take these words that I have said time and again to heart: Despite a product's warts or shortcomings in particular aspects, always, ALWAYS a passion project will shine through and reach me on a deep level. I can tell that you put your soul into this, and that completely overrides any and all criticisms I have for it. I can tell when another human being put their passion into something and it is thus delivered not as a corporate-inspired product to be commercially successful and to be consumed by the masses. It is being hand-delivered from them to me, to Dekker, to CT27, to every member of HLP that plays it.

I have gone back and enjoyed Aftermath off-stream a number of times since I played it on stream, because of moments of pure joy it brought me in spite of and because of silly story tropes or ridiculous balance decisions. It's just so unapologetically confident in itself that it's charming to me and I love it for all of its flaws. Please don't ever let anyone's words discourage you from believing that you made something great that will forever be a part of the FreeSpace legacy.

Thank you Herkie for everything you've done.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 17, 2022, 02:36:59 pm
Timestamps for today's stream. This time there aren't too many.

Hidden Text: Show
0:00 Waiting room
09:20 Pre-stream SCREAMING

**Finishing off War in Heaven Act 1**

19:00 Mission 7 - My Brother, My Enemy
34:00 no no no NO NO NO NOT THEM
36:00 secret ending!
37:30 maybe let's win this time
38:00 ...or not. Tev jamming too stronk.
47:30 The link is back up, and the jamming has ceased.
49:40 Of course peak Joe piloting skill defeats the enemy
54:00 BONK
54:30 Only Joe can die to an Elysium. CALLED IT

**War in Heaver Act 2**

1:07:30 Mission 8 - The Intervention
1:21:30 Dating controls issues
1:26:00 NO LAPORTE THIS IS NOT THE TIME
1:29:15 Epic groan
1:34:00 Joe fails the bugged dating sim
1:38:00 Joe discovers the wrong side of an Erynies on steroids
1:43:30 Simms says she's gonna give Joe some love
1:50:00 Mission 9 - The Plunder
2:10:00 Joe can't shoot; one more try
2:14:20 BLUE ON BLUE
2:18:00 Joe is BRUHBRUHBRUH
2:22:40 Joe can't escort; next attempt!
2:26:20 SHOOT ANYONE BUT HIM; next attempt!
2:35:40 These escape pods really like each other...
2:36:00 Joe can't follow orders; next attempt!
2:42:00 Just one more try...
2:51:30 The Bonk Of Justice TM
2:57:00 Mission 10 - Aristeia
3:22:00 Unfortunately, second try.
3:30:30 WHAT HOW DOES THIS EVEN HAPPEN
3:31:00 Last try!
3:47:30 Mission 11 - What Binds Us
3:52:00 Epic Joe VA moment

4:05:00 Post-stream banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 24, 2022, 03:17:02 pm
Thanks for the timestamps again, Mito. I'll double-check times and put these up as soon as I recover from my aneurysm. Thanks for the fun stream today everyone!

Also, if anyone wants to help out with timestamps like Colt, Henrik, and Mito have done, please don't hesitate to volunteer. We still need stamps for Blighted and today's Blue Planet #7! I believe Mito is working on Phoenix Wright timestamps for Kehra's streams as well.

As for the FreeSpace 2 Multiplayer stream, look forward to news on that, whether it will be a Sunday stream or on an off day. I'd encourage the HLP people to negotiate the details of scheduling and delegation of mission command authority to the person most suited to quickly develop tactics in a mission, and fill me in when all is hammered out. It sounds like it will be a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 24, 2022, 11:10:18 pm
2:53:51 - Joe does a perfect Skeletor "WAT" impression


Colt and I were discussing moving Sol: A History, and I saw that some other people on the Discord independently had the same idea.  I'd recommend putting S:AH immediately after Inferno Classic.  Not only is S:AH closely based on Inferno Classic, it also contains a few spoilers if you haven't played the Inferno Classic campaign.

Additionally, we were thinking about moving the first Just Another Day trilogy to immediately after Deus Ex Machina.  They are both parody series, they are from similar modding eras, and they reference each other, so it makes sense to keep them together.  The Just Another Day 2.2x trilogy is a significantly different experience, so it makes sense to keep that where it is.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 25, 2022, 05:18:33 am
You can generally count on me having timestamps from every stream I'm on, even if they need a little readjusting - I'm trying to be as accurate as I can while grabbing them when the stream is running. I'll be sure to post them in here though if anyone has things to add, always nice to have more highlights, I guess.

I'm currently catching up with Phoenix Wright streams as well. I'm watching them bit by bit either way, might as well timestamp on my way through. The only thing I'm not really planning to revisit is the Blighted stream, or at least it won't be anytime soon. So if anyone wants to help, I suggest that one.

I agree with Goober's suggestions for clumping together S:AH + Infernos and same for the parodies.

In the meanwhile, stamps from 7th BPC stream:
Hidden Text: Show
0:00 Waiting room
9:15 Pre-stream banter

**War in Heaven Act 2**

17:00 Mission 11 - What Binds Us
21:00 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU
28:30 Violent interspecies incident time!
50:00 Nerd corner!
52:00 Mission 12 - One Perfect Moment
1:03:00 surface BONK test
1:04:00 Casually weird words
1:06:00 Activate ALL of the red flags!
1:10:00 Mission 13 - Deals in Shadows
1:13:00 VERY close shave
1:14:00 Zooooomm--- BONK
1:16:00 Mission continues...
1:19:00 EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
1:26:00 Mission 14 - Pawns on a Board of Bone
1:48:00 Commence the assault!
1:58:30 There she is!
2:02:00 Mission 15 - Delenda Est
2:03:30 Shoutout to Dekker, he's a ****ing chad
2:06:00 Back to the briefing
2:11:00 Here we go! Hold onto your pants!
2:20:00 Support really hates Joe
2:22:00 Massive wave of fighters splashed
2:26:00 Joe was just a little bit too slow. Try two!
2:28:30 STOP HE'S ALREADY DEAD
2:33:30 A couple girly shrieks
2:35:00 The most heartbreaking ten minutes in history of gaming are starting... now.
2:43:00 Joe can't fly for ****
2:46:00 Mission 16 - Sunglare - briefing
2:53:51 (thx Goober) Joe does a perfect Skeletor "WAT" impression
2:54:00 Mission 16 - Sunglare - cutscene
3:00:00 Post credits scene

**War in Heaven Act 3**

3:04:00 Mission 1 - Icarus cutscene
3:10:00 Joe forgot about recommendations...
3:12:00 Dreamscape 1
3:37:00 Rrrrrrricardo Laporte!
3:45:00 Joe gets overwhelmed by lore and capitulates
3:50:00 A quick replay of Delenda Est for an easter egg
3:54:00 Now GO READ A BOOK.

3:56:00 Post-stream banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 25, 2022, 05:24:25 am
Thanks for the timestamps, Mito, and anyone else willing to contribute. As per recommendation, I've rearranged the list in the OP.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 25, 2022, 07:09:44 am
Managed to finish up up stamping the first Phoenix stream. I don't really feel too good about these, I think they need some combing through and rephrasing.

Hidden Text: Show
0:00 Waiting room (with very fitting music!)
5:40 Kehra audio jumpscare
6:00 Pre-stream banter
11:00 Let's get into it!

**actual game**

11:40 Case 1 "The First Turnabout"
13:30 Case 1: Pre-trial
14:00 My eyes are up here!
15:20 VERY TRUSTWORTHY LAWYER
18:25 And here we meet the defendant!
21:45 Joe's love for candy intensifies
22:45 Random autobiography
27:00 Case 1: Trial begins
29:15 Lawyer so bad he needs a test before the trial
31:45 Joe dying in the background
32:25 This is no laughing matter!
36:15 Joe dying in the background pt 2
37:50 Case 1: Evidence (subject for change)
39:40 Case 1: Defendant hearing (subject for change)
46:40 SMOKE SIGNAL GO
47:40 Case 1: Witness Frank Sahwit(subject for change)
50:10 Case 1: Witness's Account
56:00 Why are you trying to click on her...?
56:20 Case 1: Cross-examination
59:15 OBJECTION!
1:00:40 Joe the comedian
1:01:30 OBJECTING THE OBJECTION!
1:02:15 Joe the comedian pt 2
1:03:05 He remembers now!
1:05:20 Dora the ExploDora
1:06:45 So anyway, she started blasting
1:10:40 He sweating
1:11:35 Joe the comedian pt 3
1:15:00 Just a little doubtful...
1:17:45 Speedy music starts
1:21:00 We didn't hear that!
1:21:20 PHOENIX ON THE ROLL
1:22:50 Disgusted Phoenix
1:24:00 Joe frakking out
1:26:20 WIZARDRY
1:29:30 Joe dying in the background pt 3
1:32:10 he ded
1:34:10 Case 1: NOT GUILTY
1:35:40 Case 1: Post-trial
1:39:00 Joe gives dating advice and suffocates
1:44:00 THANK YOU MOMMY

1:47:10 Post-stream banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 25, 2022, 10:13:49 pm
Holy ****, 800 views in 24 hours on latest Blue Planet? 5 new subs? Did we finally hit the algorithm, boys?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 26, 2022, 09:12:42 am
I put it down to the #Tev4Life
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 26, 2022, 12:30:21 pm
It looks like the channel is picking up the pace in general. Seems like most of your FSO videos are above 200 views by now, with the notable exceptions of this Sunday's stream, Trimurti stream, FS1 stream 1 and --- holy **** the first FS2 stream is at 1,7k views.

Also looking at Kehra's streams, they get around 80 views even early on. I'm kinda sad about that because they are really fun in the casual way, as opposed to our FS injokes.
I recall that your early FSO streams were in the range of 20ish for months after release. So I'd say things are progressing. It's also worth mentioning that BP was for a long time - and in many ways still is - the poster boy of this community.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 27, 2022, 06:49:46 pm
Joe,

Herkie wanted me to tell you that if you (or anyone else here) play AFR again (I'm not talking about a YT playthrough...I just mean playing it in general), on the mission early where you have to rescue Donald Esquire in the middle of a random Terran/Vasudan attack...he has had a problem with the newest Triton model and a docking point so it won't work on the newest MVPs (4.6.X).  For that mission you'll need to play on an older MVPs model (I found I had to go back to FSO 19.0 with 4.0 MVPs) and then switch back to a newer version after.


Herkie has said that this issue should be fixed in the next AFR update which should be out in either August or September.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on July 27, 2022, 11:10:55 pm
AFR and TBG updates will be on the first week of August most likely. I am actually pushing to release them on August 1 or 2 (or earlier).

EDIT: By the way, my business trip in Manila was shorter than expected. It was quick. I actually got home 4 days ago and went straight to  working the mods for this update.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 28, 2022, 03:23:18 pm
Stamps for second Phoenix stream. Corrections/comments suggested.

Hidden Text: Show
0:00 Waiting room
7:50 Pre-stream banter

**Case 2: Turnabout Sisters**

14:00 Case 2: Introduction
17:40 Joe are your taste buds okay
22:00 Sinister events unfolding
25:20 What's that smell...?
26:10 Case 2: Discovery
31:30 We found some mayo to go with the ketchup
36:00 A challenger approaches!
40:15 Let's get out of here.
46:00 WEE WOO WEE WOO
50:20 Random Joe explosion
53:40 100% honesty
57:50 That's the spirit!
59:40 Joe the comedic mastermind
1:04:10 Joe protecc
1:09:30 Phoenix tries doing the reasonable thing...
1:14:00 Confronting a dumbass
1:19:35 [ M E N A C I N G ]
1:22:00 *chooses truth* *lies anyway*
1:24:50 Visiting the... uh... witness
1:33:05 USE THE CLOCK
1:34:50 Let's get out of that... place
1:43:45 And now let's disappoint her once again!
1:49:30 Waifu collection begins...
1:53:35 Let's maybe check up on the, uh, witness again
1:55:50 We're gonna snoop around a lil bit
1:57:20 PHOENIX NOOOO
1:58:00 Case 2: Trial
2:00:30 Case 2: Witness hearing - he's a dick
2:05:00 Case 2: Cross-examination
2:11:10 The edgy prosecutor begins his assault!
2:19:15 OBJECTION!
2:20:15 MEME INCOMING
2:24:05 Case 2: Witness hearing - she's a *****
2:28:30 Case 2: Second cross-examination of the day
2:34:30 The testimony Command gave us was bogus!
2:45:50 Finally, OBJECTION!
2:50:25 Why is this game perpetuating this kind of humor?
2:54:00 Oh the puns just don't stop!
3:00:20 PHOENIX SMASH!
3:03:50 Case 2: Witness hearing - tea set included
3:05:10 Case 2: Cross-examination of the tea set
3:09:50 Very hard questions
3:14:15 (oh hey it's Pi) Take that, ****er!
3:17:00 Case 2: post-trial
3:17:30 SHE WAS EVIL ALL ALONG! GET THE CLOCK!

3:20:00 Post-stream banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on July 30, 2022, 07:20:34 pm
Hello Joe,

Updates for AFR and TBG has been released. I don't know when Knossos will have these updates.

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?board=259.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 30, 2022, 07:30:08 pm
Joe,

I'm going to start a test playthrough of AFR and TBG in the next few days to see how they go.

Since the last version I tried this on was 4.6 MVPs and FSO 22.0 is it okay if I do it on those again?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 30, 2022, 07:42:00 pm
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Pobaxi on July 31, 2022, 04:59:15 pm
Sent you a PM to the missing soundtrack from todays stream.
The killing dentists episode.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2022, 01:37:49 am
I'm very pleased to announce that I've been a busy bee working with HTML and CSS to improve the readability of the chatbox on all videos, and made a rather fancy waiting room for a non-FreeSpace series in the channel's future.

:)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 08, 2022, 07:43:07 pm
Sounds good to me.

I started my test playthrough of TBG a few days ago on MVPs 4.6.5 and FSO 22.0 (so far so good).

However today I noticed FSO 22.2 and MVPs 4.6.6 were released today.  Since you said it's okay to continue on FS0 22.0 (and from the release notes MJN posted in the 4.6 thread it doesn't look like that will change anything for TBG) I'm going to continue on the path I'm on. 

May I make one more request:
As I said before, Herkie made TBG different than AFR...some parts people have found more complicated.  Like I said to you a while back, I'd like to send some advice before hand that will help.  However, I'll be relatively busy with family stuff the next few weeks.  Assuming my test playthrough of the latest TBG update (while using 4.6.5 MVPs and FSO 22.0) goes well and there are no gamebreaking errors...would you mind doing TBG no earlier than around mid/late September (I'd be ready to give writeups then)?  (Of course if doing other campaigns ahead of that pushes it back into October or something that'd be okay too).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2022, 07:47:48 pm
It may be much later than that. I've actually tentatively planned to do Warmachine, and then take a brief break from FreeSpace content to play Final Fantasy VII and come back to FreeSpace fresh. I've also set October stream slots aside for horror games (F.E.A.R., Amnesia: The Dark Descent, SOMA).

After that I can think about wiggling AFR2 into an earlier time slot.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 08, 2022, 08:54:25 pm
No problem.  Next time I talk to Herkie on FB I'll tell him November-December then.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 08, 2022, 10:07:46 pm
Oh, I will also mention. All cap ships can properly "dog fight" in TBG. And they are faster, 100ms max speed, to solve a time-consuming  problem of getting a ship from one place to another. It's been done with PSone's Colony Wars.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 08, 2022, 10:10:42 pm
...I've also set October stream slots aside for horror games (F.E.A.R., Amnesia: The Dark Descent, SOMA).

Silent Hill 2? Dead Space 3 (many monsters)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 09, 2022, 05:33:58 am
I love Silent Hill 2, first time I played it to the end, the bit where it says James in the hotel made me turn it off.  (My name is James) 🤣
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 10, 2022, 06:51:13 pm
then take a brief break from FreeSpace content to play Final Fantasy VII and come back to FreeSpace fresh.

After that I can think about wiggling AFR2 into an earlier time slot.

As for playing FF7, will it be the original or the more recent Remake?


P.S.:  I completed my test of TBG on MVPs 4.6.5 and FSO 22.0...and there is good news overall.  I didn't find any gamebreaking errors so the latest update looks good to go when you're ready later this year (there's a weird glitch in one mission that I'll tell you about when your playthrough/stream gets closer but it didn't prevent the mission from being won or progressing in the campaign).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2022, 08:47:23 pm
I will be playing the original albeit it with some minor tweaks to graphics and audio. It is not going to be a purist's dream. I am also not going to be excessively grinding as I know most people aren't interested in the original combat system. I will likely do off-screen grinding or tasks I don't think people would enjoy watching, and primarily be presenting the story to people and commenting on the things the game did for its time, things about it that I find appealing, spending time to just talk about games and game design in general.

Things I can't usually talk about in a high focus and adrenaline game like FreeSpace.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 11, 2022, 10:24:13 am
Just a reminder! Please attend Kehra's stream today if you can!


YouTube **** itself again, and the stream was actually 2 hours and 42 minutes. If you watch the VOD and it is shorter than that, please refrain from putting timestamps in your comments which will later be wrong when the VOD finishes processing. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 11, 2022, 04:38:41 pm
I love Silent Hill 2, first time I played it to the end, the bit where it says James in the hotel made me turn it off.  (My name is James) 🤣

Silent Hill 2 is the best in the series. I unlocked all 7 endings. Best played at midnight with the lights off using headphones.

Dead Space 1, 2 and 3 (part 3 is the best) are a bit difficult but I completed all of them in all difficulty levels.

Fear 1, 2 and 3 are psychological thrillers. They give me goosebumps everytime.

These 7 games are part of my collection of 104 games installed in my computer.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 14, 2022, 01:57:04 am
Schedule on first post has been updated. Please be sure to set a reminder for tomorrow's stream! I've got some pre-stream banter to get off my chest that I hope isn't going to alienate viewers.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 14, 2022, 06:17:00 pm
I had a lot of fun watching the Warmachine stream today! I have to wonder if a bit of BP fatigue kept you from exploring parts of it as much as you might have otherwise, but that didn't make it any less of a blast to see your reactions to everything.

F.E.A.R. is on my all time top ten games list, so I'll be looking forward to those streams especially
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on August 15, 2022, 05:17:45 am
Looking forward to FF7! But scrolling through Knossos, I found this campaign which I simply HAVE to recommend you play - it seems like a serious contender for the best campaign ever made, with more in-depth writing and worldbuilding than even BtA or SGWP2. It is called "New Beginnings", and the campaign description is as follows:

Spoiler:
The Shivans were beated but not defeated. In the months after the destruction of the Lucifer, all but a hand full of jump nodes were left active. Guarded fiercely by GTI and PVC forces. This is the story of the jump point outpost Atlas.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 16, 2022, 09:34:35 am

Finally got timestamps up on Blighted. Huge thanks to Mito for all the work. I had to trim down and rearrange some things because of the 5000 character limit on YouTube descriptions, but I think it worked out. I have a few more batches of Mito's timestamps for videos to put up, but time is limited even before Monday. Please bear with me.

This was almost as much fun to rewatch (in almost its entirety) as it was to play. I really should do more Blighted mini-streams.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 17, 2022, 09:15:50 pm
Some minor bad news:  The new MVPs release (4.6.6) causes problems with fighting Osiris bombers on FSO 22.0 (in short, hull shots rarely register). 

I can't really say this without spoilers so I'll try to minimize them...you fight Vasudans at least once in TBG (though I won't say the plot reasons why).  So this could cause problems. 

However, a silver lining I found is that I tried 22.2 RC8 (with MVPs 4.6.6)...and that fixed the problem.



So for TBG we have three choices:

1-Play TBG using the previous version of MVPs (4.6.5) with FSO 22.0 (I don't know about this since you usually like to use the newest stuff)

2-Play TBG with MVPs 4.6.6 and FSO 22.2 RC8 (I would do another test run with this) (I think you've said in the past you don't like nightlies but how do you feel about RCs?)

3-Play TBG with current MVPs (4.6.6) and FSO 22.2 official (I would do another test run with this)



If it's option #2 or #3, let me know which one and I'll do another test playthrough of TBG to make sure that even though the Osiris issue is fixed...that there aren't other new problems.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 17, 2022, 09:18:00 pm
22.2 Stable is out, so go ahead and try that test environment. I don't intend to upgrade to any nightlies or RCs at this time, so find a version of MVPs that work on 22.2 stable and I'll use that.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 18, 2022, 02:41:10 pm
I hope people will come out to see Kehra tomorrow! She promises a big surprise that she won't even tell me, so maybe I've finally convinced her to start her VTuber career or something. Let's come give her lots of support, yeah?


Also, a reminder that this Sunday I won't be doing FreeSpace, but will be taking a breather to stream a different game. I promise I'll come right back to FreeSpace after this little reprieve, and I hope you'll all still come out and support the channel!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 18, 2022, 07:52:01 pm
I don't know if the newest or latest MVPS will have an impact visually since TBG rarely uses MVPS assets. Practically, TBG uses its own assets (models) except for Shivan assets, the Deimos, and some Vasudan bombers... and the support ship.

EDIT: I recommend using  FSO 22.0 and MVPS 4.6.5.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 18, 2022, 10:22:00 pm
I don't know if the newest or latest MVPS will have an impact visually since TBG rarely uses MVPS assets. Practically, TBG uses its own assets (models) except for Shivan assets, the Deimos, and some Vasudan bombers... and the support ship.

EDIT: I recommend using  FSO 22.0 and MVPS 4.6.5.

I don't know if he's saved that stuff though.  That is an option though, admittedly.

I have tested TBG on MVPs 4.6.6 and FSO 22.2 official up through Solar Eclipse pt. 2 though...so far, no gamebreaking errors.  The newest MVPs (4.6.6) do break some of the Vasudan ships on 22.0 so like I told Joe earlier in this thread he has two options (4.6.5/22.0 or 4.6.6/22.2).  He has said he wants to use 22.2 stable.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 21, 2022, 10:06:13 am
Good morning HLP! Even though it's not FreeSpace today, it would still mean the world to me if as many of you as possible could come out and chat with me. I've taken steps to make the streams much more interactive, even for when we resume FreeSpace content, and getting to connect with all of you each week is a joy for me. Hope to catch you on stream!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 22, 2022, 07:20:09 pm
RMJ, some good news:

I did a playthrough of TBG on MVPs 4.6.6 and FSO 22.2 officlal, and I didn't see any gamebreaking errors.

I'll send you a writeup in a couple months or so when it gets closer.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 24, 2022, 02:41:29 am
RMJ, some good news:

I did a playthrough of TBG on MVPs 4.6.6 and FSO 22.2 officlal, and I didn't see any gamebreaking errors.

I'll send you a writeup in a couple months or so when it gets closer.

CT, how's the difficulty compared to the TBG version 3 years ago? Is the Serapis Mark 2 fighter still giving hell? Just need to know if I need to adjust it. 😊
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 24, 2022, 04:44:29 am
I've also set October stream slots aside for horror games (F.E.A.R., Amnesia: The Dark Descent, SOMA).

I actually nearly forgot I meant to reply to this *dooh*

I don't think SOMA is a game for you to be streaming -- SOMA ... makes you pretty uncomfortable with implications of some of things you are doing. I think it is a game best enjoyed with the time to meditate of that discomfort and lends itself poorly to interaction with the an audience at same time.

A:DD on the other hand, I would really recommend to play with an audience, because in later stage of the game the atmosphere can be ... oppressive (I never finished this game because never quite could bring myself to progress because I got to a point where I honestly when "I live in this hole now, and that's my best life") and to get over that, going out an quipping with an audience might work.

I also would recommend that you give Othercide a look if you are in for some comsic horror-eque game. I know X-Com-likes might be a bit outside your wheelhouse... but it is really good. (except maybe for the unexplicable, impractiable footware  :lol:)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 24, 2022, 07:00:28 pm
RMJ, some good news:

I did a playthrough of TBG on MVPs 4.6.6 and FSO 22.2 officlal, and I didn't see any gamebreaking errors.

I'll send you a writeup in a couple months or so when it gets closer.

CT, how's the difficulty compared to the TBG version 3 years ago? Is the Serapis Mark 2 fighter still giving hell? Just need to know if I need to adjust it. 😊

I answered this on FB but I'll answer it here too:  It's a lot better than it was in the initial release (it has less health than it did originally) but another small health reduction wouldn't hurt IMO. 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 26, 2022, 08:34:01 am
Hey, Joe.

Please send me the links of you Final Fantasy streams. I want to view and download them. I played FF 1 to 7 in PSone (it was not PSone  then but Playstation back then year 1998 and onwards).

And link for War Machine, and Battle of Neptune.

You see I can only view these great mods and not play it since I still can't get to play the latest FSOs and MVPS until I buy a new PC and have a proper Internet-PC connection. I am poor, bro, and the latest computer parts in my city are expensive. The RTX 3080ti is 95,000 pesos (1,900 dollars). The AMD Ryzen 9 is not cheap. I already bought the Aorus x570 Aqua.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 26, 2022, 08:20:35 pm
I'm no tech expert Herkie, but I don't think you would need a major high end card like the 3080 to play FS stuff (or the Ryzen 9).  You could probably do very well on a 3060 with Ryzen 7 even.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 27, 2022, 04:02:53 am
I play on a GTX 1660ti laptop.  Zero issues.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 27, 2022, 05:54:58 pm
Got a good idea where tomorrow's stream will put me, in which case we're making a good pace. Looking forward to everyone that can show for tomorrow's stream. I depend on all of you giving me things beyond just the game to talk about, so please don't be shy about throwing FreeSpace, Final Fantasy, gaming in general, or really just about anything at me during the streams. I'm there to vibe with you guys, so don't be afraid to engage me.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 27, 2022, 06:43:08 pm
Got a good idea where tomorrow's stream will put me, in which case we're making a good pace. Looking forward to everyone that can show for tomorrow's stream. I depend on all of you giving me things beyond just the game to talk about, so please don't be shy about throwing FreeSpace, Final Fantasy, gaming in general, or really just about anything at me during the streams. I'm there to vibe with you guys, so don't be afraid to engage me.


As long as it stays civil (I've seen this topic get heated on some other gaming sites)...could we debate which FF7 (original or Remake) was better?  :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 27, 2022, 06:46:24 pm
Of course, but as someone who has OPINIONS on the Remake (and just watched an hour+ long video from someone with MUCH STRONGER OPINIONS on the topic), I can't promise I won't rant a little as someone who really just wanted a 1:1 remake. I won't deny the remake was more fun to play,  but narratively... Anyway, for tomorrow.

Oh, also Solar of IFG will be sitting in with me, so those of you who have watched any of our old YouTube content (namely the VVVVVV Let's Play), be nice and make him feel welcome. Not that he won't be a handful himself. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 27, 2022, 06:57:13 pm
Out of curiosity, have you ever watched TeamFourStar's Youtube series FF7: Abridged?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 27, 2022, 07:02:51 pm
I haven't but if the writing is as good as their Dragonball stuff, I'll bet it's phenomenal. I'll start watching it after the stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on August 28, 2022, 05:04:05 am
I'm no tech expert Herkie, but I don't think you would need a major high end card like the 3080 to play FS stuff (or the Ryzen 9).  You could probably do very well on a 3060 with Ryzen 7 even.

Yeah, I'll settle for RTX 3060/Ryzen 7. They are cheaper like half the cost.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 02, 2022, 10:49:48 am
Please be sure to come out and support Kehra (who has fixed her internet issues and has a surprise for us):


I'm scrambling to finish my work ahead of schedule so that I can catch it undistracted myself.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 05, 2022, 01:17:39 pm
Sadly I can't fulfill any voice acting requests until I get my replacement headset, since this one I'm using sounds awful. :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 06, 2022, 01:16:32 am
I recorded WiH lines on a 4 quid play.com mic from 2005. 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on September 07, 2022, 02:28:28 am
We call that realistic radio comms sound.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 07, 2022, 02:17:47 pm
No need for high pass filter if it doesn't have the range to pick it up 😜
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 08, 2022, 02:14:38 pm
Oh lawdie Kehra-smas come early this week:

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 12, 2022, 10:15:55 am
Hello FreeSpace fans!

I've been speaking with some members of the community who are understandably eager to see more FreeSpace content, and honestly I'm raring to jump back into the cockpit again as well. As such, I've been giving some thought to the format of my stream schedule, and I'd like to run it by everyone and get your input! I want to give you all the content you want to see, as well as doing what I'll enjoy and what will hopefully, by consequence, create an atmosphere that you all enjoy. Currently, I am thinking of, following Final Fantasy 7, doing 2 FreeSpace mods back-to-back, then playing another game in my list of games I'd like to stream. After that, another 2 FreeSpace mods, and so on.

Your thoughts? Suggestions on a different format? Personally, I like to finish what I started when it comes to games, so while I had thought of and anticipate suggestions of doing rotating games on stream (Week 1, FF7, Week 2, FreeSpace, etc), I'm a bit averse to this format as it can be easy to lose track of what progress I've made on each game, and also potentially make it hard for the audience to follow.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 12, 2022, 07:24:28 pm
Since you liked AFR Joe, I have a just for fun question for you (this is about an issue Herkie and I were discussing):

If AFR ever got made into a movie...who would be a good casting choice for John Richter?





P.S.:  As for your question on how to do streams...I think you should stick with a mod/game until it's finished before moving on to something else.  IOW, I like your first choice better than the latter option presented.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on September 12, 2022, 09:08:27 pm
I've been speaking with some members of the community who are understandably eager to see more FreeSpace content, and honestly I'm raring to jump back into the cockpit again as well. As such, I've been giving some thought to the format of my stream schedule, and I'd like to run it by everyone and get your input! I want to give you all the content you want to see, as well as doing what I'll enjoy and what will hopefully, by consequence, create an atmosphere that you all enjoy. Currently, I am thinking of, following Final Fantasy 7, doing 2 FreeSpace mods back-to-back, then playing another game in my list of games I'd like to stream. After that, another 2 FreeSpace mods, and so on.

It sounds like a good plan although I'd obviously prefer to keep FreeSpace mods heavier in the rotation.

I will suggest that because the following mods all go together...
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  • Sync
  • Transcend
  • Deus Ex Machina
  • Deus Ex Machina: Interlude
  • Just Another Day
... that it would make sense to do them in one contiguous streaming block.  Similarly, the Cold Element campaigns should go together in one block, the Inferno campaigns should go together, and so on.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 13, 2022, 01:05:43 pm
Goobs campaigns are good choices.
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 14, 2022, 02:22:11 am
Noted. I'll adjust my stream format accordingly and try to do entire sagas in blocks.
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Post by: starlord on September 14, 2022, 08:46:47 am
I would again suggest scroll, or shadow genesis.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 14, 2022, 02:33:14 pm
I really enjoyed the nes emulation stream.   Throw a snes one into rotation and......omg.

Link for context.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/307463692746130/permalink/2247431345416012/
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 15, 2022, 06:30:14 pm
I will definitely do more impromptu or even scheduled emulation streams. I just need to finagle my current stream frames for SNES aspect ratio (I do internal resolution multiplied, because stretching is heresy, and NES is 16:15 while SNES is like 8:7). Or maybe I'll be lazy and just put an 8 * X pixel buffer on top and bottom.

EDIT: Tried that lazy suggestion, triggered my OCD, made a whole separate scene in Streamlabs just for SNES. ****.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 17, 2022, 08:33:36 pm
Megaman x, x2, x3, and super contra are worth it.


Would you ever play Nexus: the Jupiter incident?   Gawd I loved that one
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 18, 2022, 01:48:30 am
Megaman x, x2, x3, and super contra are worth it.


Would you ever play Nexus: the Jupiter incident?   Gawd I loved that one

Not much for RTS, but I can be swayed if a game is good enough to break my genre aversion.

Big stream tomorrow! Another episode of FF7, plus some FreeSpace relevant and other content announcements! Please be sure to tune in!

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Post by: 0rph3u5 on September 18, 2022, 08:32:57 am
Megaman x, x2, x3, and super contra are worth it.


Would you ever play Nexus: the Jupiter incident?   Gawd I loved that one

Not much for RTS, but I can be swayed if a game is good enough to break my genre aversion

Nexus is ... a very acquired taste

Don't get me wrong - when the gameplay is on point, its very cool to look and one of the best imagined version of what 3D capital ship combat should be.

But the english VO performance is strikingly average, the story characters are ... not well written,  the enemy NPCs are worse. The story itself is ... a strange mashup.

And then there is the stealth missions ... when I tried to replay it a few years ago, I couldn't rellay figure out how I beat some of them when the game was new. They are just poorly designed and highlight all reasons game designers have failed to make good 3d space rts games for years.
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Post by: CT27 on September 19, 2022, 07:34:40 pm
Near the beginning of your recent YT video you said the next block of FS campaigns you'd be doing was:  Sync, Transcend, Deus Ex Machina, DEM:  Interlude, and Just Another Day.

So I can keep Herkie informed and out of curiosity, where does Aftermath II: The Blue Guardian now sit in the order of things (in the thread OP list TBG is next but you didn't mention it in the video from what I heard)?


There's no rush so no pressure or anything and I'm not trying to be demanding, I'm just wondering.
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 20, 2022, 01:44:17 am
Since Aftermath II, I would assume, is as long as, if not longer than, Aftermath, I think it will deserve its own block between other games.
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Post by: CT27 on September 20, 2022, 06:59:54 pm
Since Aftermath II, I would assume, is as long as, if not longer than, Aftermath, I think it will deserve its own block between other games.

Aftermath: Reboot was 68 missions (including cutscenes)

Aftermath II:  The Blue Guardian is 38 missions (also including cutscenes)


So while Aftermath II (aka TBG) is certainly not a short campaign, it's noticeably less than Reboot (not trying to put pressure on you to do it now though if you'd like to do it as its own 'block' later on). 



Just giving you information, thanks again for playing these.
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 21, 2022, 12:00:27 am
Tentative schedule for tomorrow. I've been busy frontloading as much work as possible all day, and will bust my ass tomorrow morning to finish it up so I can make this time. If it's a little later than scheduled, please be patient.

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Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 21, 2022, 08:10:12 am
Arghz  I'll try to dip in.   Overlaps with kids feeding, bathing and bed.  I love me some snes though.   Would hit up multiplayer too if free time to participate was a thing.
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Post by: herkie423 on September 21, 2022, 10:18:41 pm
We call that realistic radio comms sound.

I would record the voice audio with a good normal mic then edit it with Adobe Audition.

I am planning to make a VA for AFR with only one actor... me 😆 which I will do with different accents though not really accurate. Let's just say that's the way people speak in 2370. Then I will edit the sound clips to make them sound like different persons

...but this is only for my own use because it will be embarrassing. I  am just having trouble reading, my eyes are no longer good.
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Post by: herkie423 on September 21, 2022, 10:26:01 pm
Tentative schedule for tomorrow. I've been busy frontloading as much work as possible all day, and will bust my ass tomorrow morning to finish it up so I can make this time. If it's a little later than scheduled, please be patient.


The first time I played SNES, it blew my mind! Well, there was only Nintendo Family Computer before that. But at that time, the graphics were amazing, the backgrounds in side-scrolling games were no longer static. I said wow! However.... much later, I saw Playstation (not yet the PSone)... same astonished reaction.
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Post by: herkie423 on September 21, 2022, 10:46:54 pm
Hello FreeSpace fans!...

Your thoughts? Suggestions on a different format? Personally, I like to finish what I started when it comes to games, so while I had thought of and anticipate suggestions of doing rotating games on stream (Week 1, FF7, Week 2, FreeSpace, etc), I'm a bit averse to this format as it can be easy to lose track of what progress I've made on each game, and also potentially make it hard for the audience to follow.

My suggestion... stream the full mod uninterrupted but not like one single video stream. Then play non-FS game in between like Halo alternately. In this way, people who haven't seen the mod will not lose track of the story and the momentum towards the story climax will not be interrupted.

It was remarkable that you stream the many FS mods in a marathon. However, there's a downside. You will tend to absorb the canons of these mods into one "library." This will tend to confuse you as some of these mods have different canons and these mods sometimes conflict with each other. The only canon I follow is the story of FS1 and FS2.

So, by playing it alternately, you can dump or release the information of one mod then have a reset for the next FS mod (if you know what I mean).

By the way, do you stream modern triple A games like COD WZ or Matrix Awakenings?
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Post by: CT27 on September 21, 2022, 10:59:49 pm
The only canon I follow is the story of FS1 and FS2.

Actually, within the universe of AFR/TBG, there are a couple other campaigns that are canon (the list goes like this):

FS1
Silent Threat Reborn
Shrouding The Light: Origins
Shrouding The Light
FS2
AFR
TBG
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Post by: herkie423 on September 21, 2022, 11:02:05 pm
Megaman x, x2, x3, and super contra are worth it.


Would you ever play Nexus: the Jupiter incident?   Gawd I loved that one

Gradius II, Dekker. That game is a bad ass, Argh-Grrr-throw-your-controller kind of game. But it was awesome. 🤣😂😆
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Post by: herkie423 on September 21, 2022, 11:04:44 pm
The only canon I follow is the story of FS1 and FS2.

Actually, within the universe of AFR/TBG, there are a couple other campaigns that are canon (the list goes like this):

FS1
Silent Threat Reborn
Shrouding The Light: Origins
Shrouding The Light
FS2
AFR
TBG

Well, I consider STR, STL Origins, and STL as part/included in the FS1 universe.
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 22, 2022, 04:11:30 am
I don't do modern "triple A" games and my opinions regarding these more modern games is less than favorable. Finding a good modern game is finding a diamond in the rough, sadly, which is why I primarily do retro content. That includes, of course, FreeSpace.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 22, 2022, 04:46:21 am
We call that realistic radio comms sound.

I would record the voice audio with a good normal mic then edit it with Adobe Audition.

I am planning to make a VA for AFR with only one actor... me 😆 which I will do with different accents though not really accurate. Let's just say that's the way people speak in 2370. Then I will edit the sound clips to make them sound like different persons

...but this is only for own use because it will be embarrassing. I  am just having trouble reading, my eyes are no longer good.

I'll throw my hat in the ring for that.  After I finish my other projects lol
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Post by: herkie423 on September 22, 2022, 05:16:35 am
I don't do modern "triple A" games and my opinions regarding these more modern games is less than favorable. Finding a good modern game is finding a diamond in the rough, sadly, which is why I primarily do retro content. That includes, of course, FreeSpace.

Yeah, I agree. They don't make it like they use to. Plus these modern games are short and somewhat easy. You can finish them in one day, even the modern Tomb Raider games. The old PSone Tomb Raiders takes months to beat, now THAT is a game. However, the graphics are fantastic, realistic. Being a guy who have seen games since the 80s, my mind were constantly blown with new games/console popping up... Generally, I play modern games just for the looks.

Speaking of AAA games, I do like God of War and The Witcher 3... my computer, unfortunately, is screaming in pain (FPS 21)
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Post by: herkie423 on September 22, 2022, 07:11:21 am
Ah, Red. I know you do have a perspective on FS2 lore. I posted something in my AFR thread. I would like to know what you think... and don't be polite, he he he. 🤣😂😆

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98445.msg1915637#msg1915637

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Post by: 0rph3u5 on September 22, 2022, 02:52:57 pm
I don't do modern "triple A" games and my opinions regarding these more modern games is less than favorable. Finding a good modern game is finding a diamond in the rough, sadly, which is why I primarily do retro content. That includes, of course, FreeSpace.

I find this concept of game as singular piece "being good" is ... strange and non-functional.

It's like dismissing the beauty of a single snowflake because of the uniform whitness of a snowfield.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 24, 2022, 02:26:40 am
Barotrauma is a good game for a group.
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Post by: redmagejoe on September 28, 2022, 01:25:08 am
Hoping this hurricane doesn't impact Sunday stream plans!

EDIT: I've come out the other side even stronger than before.
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Post by: Colt on September 29, 2022, 10:38:57 pm
Glad to hear you're doing okay  :yes:
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 02, 2022, 10:55:56 am
The month of spooky begins!

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Post by: Daft Mugi on October 02, 2022, 11:48:57 pm
Hi Joe,

I got back into playing FreeSpace this year after many, many years, so I've enjoyed and had a lot of fun watching your FreeSpace stream. I haven't always been there to watch it live, but I usually catch up later.

At the very end of your Amnesia stream today, I asked if you liked to play Thief and said there were some spooky fan missions.

Here are my recommendations for Spooktober:


These can be downloaded from https://www.taffersparadise.co.uk/thief2missions.html (https://www.taffersparadise.co.uk/thief2missions.html).

To patch Thief 2, use T2Fix found at https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149669 (https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149669).

To have correct gamma/brightness for streaming, make sure "d3d_disp_sw_cc" in enabled/uncommented in your Thief cam_ext.cfg config file.

If you decide to play these, feel free to reach out to me with any questions you might have.

Looking forward to more Amnesia next week!

Cheers
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 03, 2022, 12:28:45 am
Thanks for the support Daft Mugi! Glad to have another awesome fan, and so happy to have another FreeSpace enthusiast! These HLP guys sure know how to keep the spark of fandom alive.

I don't have Thief 2, but I can look into it if people think the content would be sufficiently spooky. I'm also looking into the best way to get my hands on F.E.A.R. again, but it only comes in a bundle with all the games from both the original developers and the publishers (at least I think that's the two involved parties). My understanding is that Extraction Point and Perseus Mandate are the "proper" sequels. It's only $8.50 for 6 games until October 6th, so it may be worth getting. I'm suspicious of how viable the "Ultimate Shooter Edition" on G2A is given it seems to be a package no longer supported on Steam.

After some spoiler-free peeking at remaining "Acts" and "areas/sections" by room name in a Walkthrough table of contents, it seems that I may be roughly 1/3 of the way through Amnesia already, so I probably have 2 more streams worth of it. I want to be sure I have something to follow-up with though, so I'd like people to try to agree on what they think would be a good follow-up to Amnesia. I know it's a hard act to follow, being my gold standard for good horror, but I believe in you guys!
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Post by: Daft Mugi on October 03, 2022, 02:27:45 am
Have you looked for these games on GOG? They have F.E.A.R. I'm not sure how different that may be from what you're already looking at, though.

Thief Gold and Thief 2 are currently on sale at GOG for $0.97 each. The fan missions for both are amazing. When I first played Amnesia, I felt that Thief must have influenced its design.

By the way, does your copy of Amnesia come with the expansion "Justine"? That's quite good. And... it uhhh... sorry Joe, but I think it may have a scarier water sequence than the one you completed today - the one that made you quit before. :eek: So, maybe more Amnesia?
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Post by: Mito [PL] on October 03, 2022, 05:12:09 am
To be frank, I've been thinking about recommending Metro 2033 (or rather, Redux) for when you finish Amnesia. It technically isn't a horror game per se, but it definitely has powerful atmosphere and a considerable amount of scary sections.
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 08, 2022, 01:34:52 pm
Work has kept me busy, but I will try to take time to consider all your suggestions before it gets to the deadline. Kehra decided to get in on the spooky and scheduled a stream of Inscryption on the channel! Please go check it out and make sure you're subbed and notifications are on!
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 09, 2022, 07:21:03 pm
Yewtra was kind enough to make this clip for anyone who missed the stream:

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwaZhh0CwfPm777UJTFwsEHhnjvdjbKFz
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 17, 2022, 11:04:01 am
I think I've settled on It Steals, LIDAR.EXE, and 0_abyssalSomewhere for next week's stream. Cry of Fear sort of violated my preference for "no guns" since even in a freaky setting, having a firearm somewhat takes the sense of terror out of me. If you missed yesterday's stream, I'll drop a link below.

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Post by: CT27 on October 17, 2022, 07:33:12 pm
In the list of campaigns that were canon in the 'universe' of AFR/TBG I forgot to put Templar.  Here is the updated list:

FS1
Silent Threat: Reborn
Shrouding The Light: Origins
Shrouding The Light
Templar
FS2
AFR
TBG



P.S.:  On Youtube, I found someone has posted a partial of the first Act (and part of Act 2) of TBG.  Joe and/or Herkie, would you like me to post the link to that?  I don't know who this person was and I'm not trying to plug their channel over Joe's work here...I just thought Joe might like to watch it to have some idea of what to expect.  On the other hand Joe, if you want to go in more blind to experience TBG, that's cool too...though I'll still try to send some non-spoilerish (well, I'll try to minimize the spoilers at least) advice when TBG gets closer.
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Post by: herkie423 on October 18, 2022, 04:23:16 am

P.S.:  On Youtube, I found someone has posted a partial of the first Act (and part of Act 2) of TBG.  Joe and/or Herkie, would you like me to post the link to that?

CT, give me the link, bro... :)
Send it to my FB Messenger.
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 25, 2022, 02:02:01 pm
Big sad

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw/community?lb=UgkxHyoZTyCCgK7VB37nZCwDagXHs6rROalf
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 26, 2022, 01:03:22 pm
Let's go, team!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw/community?lb=Ugkx0fKtabnjcifPv3DpiukUyiscyolztA1f

Vote fast, as the poll is closing Friday night!
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 26, 2022, 02:08:26 pm
50/50  fml 😭😭
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 26, 2022, 05:34:45 pm
Where are the tie-breakers?!
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 27, 2022, 04:48:28 am
It's done........enjoooooyyyy
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 28, 2022, 03:46:30 am
The die is cast...

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Post by: CT27 on October 28, 2022, 06:26:13 pm
Youtube made some changes RMJ and it looks like it has an affect on the way videos are displayed.

For instance, I went to IllFatedGaming/videos and all of your Freespace videos weren't there anymore for some reason.  To see them (at least on the computer I used), one has to go to the channel homepage and scroll down to the playlist section to find the FSO list.
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Post by: Mito [PL] on October 28, 2022, 06:52:31 pm
Yeah there's something going on, looks like the new video tab didn't index all the videos yet? I'd expect the weirdness to go away soon.
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Post by: CT27 on October 29, 2022, 12:52:20 am
RMJ, Herkie is planning a huge update for AFR and TBG due to be released by the end of 2023 (he will start work in early mid-2023)...he says it will be on the level of going from the original The Aftermath to AFR.  Don't worry about your playthrough of TBG as the version of TBG currently available is fine for this (as a matter of fact a small update for AFR and TBG has just been released to fix some small grammar and balance issues.)


Anyways, Herkie is considering doing voice acting for this major overhaul next year.  Would you be interested in doing Richter and/or Snipes?
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 29, 2022, 04:00:33 am
Youtube has shuffled loads of stuff I'm general.  Check the live tab for past livestreams.
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Post by: redmagejoe on October 29, 2022, 12:14:28 pm
YouTube is doing a major overhaul as part of its creators update in order to make their three types of media more distinctly available to users. Pardon the dust while they tried to make my content more pronounced over shorts and classic videos!

And I would totally be down to do voice acting for Herkie. I would be honored in fact! Playing his campaign has been one of my greatest joys in creating this FreeSpace content.
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Post by: herkie423 on November 03, 2022, 09:39:43 pm
I... am reminiscing...

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Post by: herkie423 on November 03, 2022, 09:54:58 pm

And I would totally be down to do voice acting for Herkie. I would be honored in fact! Playing his campaign has been one of my greatest joys in creating this FreeSpace content.

Yey!

In this case, it will only the two of us... he he he. I'll do the others. I can edit the sound clips to make it sound like different people. I can do several accents like British... but not really accurate. Who knows? Maybe that's how people speak in the 23rd century. 😁
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Post by: redmagejoe on November 04, 2022, 12:11:24 am
Plenty of talented VAs on HLP.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 04, 2022, 03:31:04 am
I've gotta finish the ones I've let pile up already 🤣
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Post by: CT27 on November 04, 2022, 06:29:17 pm
Plenty of talented VAs on HLP.

Is Darkblade (Admiral Po from BTA and Admiral Wilson from Fall Of Epsilon Pegasi) still around HLP?  I think he'd be a great voice for Admiral Cartwright in AFR.


Also, a few things specifically to Herkie (though others can respond if they want):
-By your own words you said the voices may not be accurate if you edit them...you might want to be careful about that.  For people to like voice acting in a campaign, I think it should sound more normal (and minimal editing to make someone's voice sound different).  Now if you want to slightly alter your tone or accent verbally (without computer modification) to do different minor characters (various Alphas or Betas, etc.) that's fine.  But I think computer alteration of voices should be kept to a minimum.  You once said you could computer edit a male voice to sound female for TBG...I think Courtney Aguilar's voice and Cadezas'  and Jillian's voice should be done by actual females if you do voice acting for TBG.
-On the other hand if you want to do computer voices for Vasudans that's fine since their voices are supposed to be processed through translators anyway.
-Just a suggestion but maybe instead of trying to finish the major updates next year with voice acting all at once...just finish the campaigns themselves and then add in voice acting.  BWO was a big campaign in progress that tried to make a big campaign with voice acting all at once but it never got finished.  I'm not saying it can't be done, but making things into more smaller steps rather than a few giant ones might help things get done.
-Minor correction, but FS stuff is in the 24th century technically.
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Post by: herkie423 on November 04, 2022, 10:04:38 pm
Plenty of talented VAs on HLP.

Honestly, I don't know where to begin. I'm a bit poor in organizing people to assemble in this endeavor. Voice acting is a huge huge undertaking and I can't do the organizing by myself. AFR has hundreds of dialogue lines (including CBs, Briefings, and Debriefings). And TBG has about a thousand or more, 5 times AFR. I did a string of VAs up to Act 2 of AFR way back in 2014. You'll notice that when you edit the missions, sound clip names are attached to each lines. I did it for all the characters and they are distinguishable. But later, I gave up because I realized that it was actually a huge undertaking. So in this endeavor I cannot be alone. 😁
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Post by: herkie423 on November 04, 2022, 10:10:10 pm
EDITED (multiple times)

... And CT27, there's no need to edit the sound clips to alter the voices if there are actual several Voice Actors. The voices will be as is. I only had to edit the sound clips because there was only ONE actor...me. 😆😅🤣😂

And by "inaccurate," I meant my accent. If I do a British accent for example, I can do it basing on what I've seen in James Bond and Harry Potter films, but it will not be accurate.

I can do the Vasudans, the Rigelians, and Shivans since they are voices emulated by the Translators especially the ETAK for translating Shivans. And...yes, Joe. There are english speaking Shivans, sadly. Well, it's only the translator and you will hear their actual voice in the background like what FS did for the Vasudans. Remember the AFR post-credit scene? The Shivan voices are almost static since they are not really organic beings.

I can do the miscellaneous characters like generic pilots. And CT, if you hear my normal voice, I actually sound like a female, close. He he he. 😁

And of course, a voice acting project is way down in the list of priorities. It may not be done at all. It's a "What If" or "Hopefully" or even "If Ever" project. And yes, actual modding stuff is the main priority.
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Post by: herkie423 on November 04, 2022, 10:31:33 pm
Plenty of talented VAs on HLP.

-Minor correction, but FS stuff is in the 24th century technically.

Yeah... I kept thinking Star Trek...😆
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Post by: manwiththemachinegun on November 05, 2022, 12:37:10 am
Saw some of the FS2 streams, good stuff Joe. Kudos for going for all optional mission objectives, but don't let the annoying ones get you down. Although suffering does make for good streaming entertainment. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 05, 2022, 03:42:57 pm
Don't forget about TIME SHENANIGANS!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw/community?lb=Ugkxjhdre1PAfCBp8wh5AwVd3DowUIvZ0zVT
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 27, 2022, 03:27:46 pm
If anyone can help me find an appropriate background / wallpaper / splash for Sync for the stream December 11th, that would be very helpful. In the meantime I'll use the default FreeSpace splash.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on November 27, 2022, 05:38:53 pm
If anyone can help me find an appropriate background / wallpaper / splash for Sync for the stream December 11th, that would be very helpful. In the meantime I'll use the default FreeSpace splash.

I threw this together for ya, would this work?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_oWjNrpfEpe34sLc5WB-Ibhkay5IhE9Z/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 27, 2022, 05:40:08 pm
Works for me!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on November 27, 2022, 05:45:46 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on November 28, 2022, 08:24:15 am
Don't forget about TIME SHENANIGANS!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw/community?lb=Ugkxjhdre1PAfCBp8wh5AwVd3DowUIvZ0zVT

Date's marked and logged in
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 01, 2022, 02:24:25 pm
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSQ5VAxLhfi9qvL1MaEfD4g/community?lb=UgkxjKFDEOQ6B93VaKieCK9UictrYCuvXwLH
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mobius on December 02, 2022, 05:21:16 am
Time to get the glorious Knights of the Round. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on December 02, 2022, 07:34:26 pm
RMJ, thanks for your interest in possibly doing voice work for Herkie's planned big future update to AFR/TBG (also FYI to everyone, there will probably be another small update to AFR/TBG coming out relatively soon).

Though adding voice work to AFR/TBG (and making this big update/remake itself) won't happen for a while (not until the second half of 2023 at the earliest probably)...and that's if voice acting happens at all (while Herkie is looking forward to using a new computer system to do a major update/remake to TBG...voice acting isn't a 100% certainty at this point).


Out of curiosity, how would you differentiate the voices of Richter and Snipes?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 05, 2022, 09:39:15 pm
I haven't touched FreeSpace Open in 4 months, I wonder how behind the curve I am- AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

(https://i.imgur.com/S4mu4HS.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/S1bVPvL.jpeg)

I'm scared...

Someone give me the tl;dr on changes to FreeSpace Port / Silent Threat Reborn
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Renegade Paladin on December 05, 2022, 10:08:24 pm
There's been a new MediaVPs update since then, so that. 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 10, 2022, 06:28:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxsiQPaYSgVqPvLeXVNzjZLV4UE-e5yZIB

COMING SOON
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 11, 2022, 03:11:51 pm
Courtesy of Mito:

(https://i.imgur.com/TcIHtET.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on December 13, 2022, 03:31:46 pm
And one dude casually tossing hex ASCII into the stream chat.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 18, 2022, 12:31:30 am
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxkQjt338NIzfaDdVzLfiWE1B0BAnP2nd0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 18, 2022, 01:51:58 pm
If anyone could mock up a nice 1920x1080 wallpaper / thumbnail for Transcend that makes use of that blue-toned Pegasus (and preferably more than just it against a black screen), I would be super appreciative!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 19, 2022, 02:30:05 pm
Ahhhh, the nightmariest campaign of them all....  in time for Xmas.

Huzzah!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on December 21, 2022, 11:28:24 am
If anyone could mock up a nice 1920x1080 wallpaper / thumbnail for Transcend that makes use of that blue-toned Pegasus (and preferably more than just it against a black screen), I would be super appreciative!

How is this?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W-5_Mir5XDWWLBRbCdMPBV6fwfX5n_dz/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 23, 2022, 10:07:07 pm
Looks good, Def! Is this 16:9 aspect ratio?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw/community?lb=UgkxAN6UJdm1qVmHrdIgengkFtOll_KJliHJ
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on December 25, 2022, 10:00:11 am
Looks good, Def! Is this 16:9 aspect ratio?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw/community?lb=UgkxAN6UJdm1qVmHrdIgengkFtOll_KJliHJ

Uhh, feel free to crop it as needed, It's not even based on any common aspect ratio, it itself is just a cropped screenshot of a FRED window with some fancy text and effect things put over it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 01, 2023, 04:00:44 am
Let's start the year off right!

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxJhaG0OvezxJ9vMZ7Wvi1GKNZGjQHTTty
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 01, 2023, 02:51:45 pm
Courtesy of Henrik:

(https://www.ozsurplus.com.au/image/cache/catalog/Pictures/CAN-228x228.jpg)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: NickM on January 01, 2023, 06:13:27 pm
Courtesy of Henrik:

(https://www.ozsurplus.com.au/image/cache/catalog/Pictures/CAN-228x228.jpg)

What the 'fornication' is THAT thing?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on January 02, 2023, 01:19:40 pm
Cutlery for MREs, appearently its name acronyms to FRED
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 02, 2023, 01:57:41 pm
I've got loads of the openers, none with a spoon on.

Did ya know, John Wayne did the instructional video on how they work for ww2 troops?

Thought I'd check it after the fact.

I was lied to 😅

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener#:~:text=The%20P%2D38%20is%20known,to%20pierce%20the%20can%20lid.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Dilmah G on January 03, 2023, 01:49:23 am
Yep, I've gone through thousands of those things during my time in the green. With the current iteration of our ration packs (in Australia, anyway), we only really use it for opening tinned fruit and tinned cheese now. For whatever reason, the procurement gods decided to invest in a separate plastic spoon that can be used to eat the actual MREs, seen here, tucked into the front of this guy's body armour. (https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ADF_Army_communications_radio_20170720adf8581277_279.jpg)

Every time I see one of those godforsaken FREDs, I'm reminded of all the mornings I spent using them to fish out the last gram of cheese whilst out in the field. I always found the canned cheese to be a good appetite suppressant after beginning breakfast with a liberal serving of nagging regret at having willingly chosen to serve in the goddamn infantry. So imagine my surprise at seeing an old nemesis in my internet safe space!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 03, 2023, 07:19:54 am
Range stew?
Biscuit challenge?
Chicken crumble?
I prefer rations to field kitchen scran.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 07, 2023, 01:54:17 pm
Tom Morrow

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxVRjMB_dhCt-QtnOQuJFgGwapXv7kLbx2
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Pobaxi on January 08, 2023, 01:35:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/nuyWOx3.jpg)
Since we're doing Transcend today...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 08, 2023, 02:59:51 pm
Doing Deus Ex Machina next week, and could really use a good 1920x1080 splash if someone can find one or make one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on January 10, 2023, 10:30:30 pm
Here's one:

(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/DEM_Splash_Screen.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 11, 2023, 10:46:31 am
Hey, my original "The Aftermath" release post in SectorGames is still alive... way back 2012.

https://sectorgame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4759

And reading through the "features" I posted, i found that I actually had a mission design where you had 3 Deimos and 3 cruisers against 40 Shivan destroyers.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 16, 2023, 06:25:53 pm
Joe, you asked about the status of TBG at the end of your last video:

The last update for TBG that was posted on Knossos was in August 2022.  Herkie has done two minor mission updates since then (one was in October 2022 and one earlier this month in January 2023).  They have not got posted to Knossos yet.  We can't seem to quite get it done ourselves; someone has said they would help us to get it on Knossos one last time but that person hasn't done so yet.

I would say you have two options here (assuming we can't get the absolute latest update on Knossos from the person who's helping us):
1-Go ahead and play it.  The last two updates were relatively minor balance issues on a couple missions and dialogue/grammar improvements.  They weren't giant changes in other words...no gamebreaking errors.  It should be fine as it is on Knossos now.  I tested TBG on MVPs 4.6.6 (I haven't tried 4.6.7 yet but that wasn't a big update so I don't think it should make a difference) and FSO 22.2 and found no gamebreaking errors.

2-Download the recent TBG update file   
https://www.mediafire.com/file/64ann6jryqg1rpl/TBG-Missions-Update-01-02-2023.zip/file
and switch out the current "Missions.vp" file in the TBG folder with that newer one (which contains all the updated info for TBG since the last Knossos update).  I know you might not be crazy about doing a manual update that way, but it is only one file.  Your call.

What do you think RMJ?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 16, 2023, 07:13:28 pm
I think I'll go ahead and play it when it rolls around on my current list.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 21, 2023, 04:12:07 pm
Tell your friends: Tomorrow is meme stream day!

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxVr1DTgedWqhjk96VPjstiMZZ_6g6jBUv
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 22, 2023, 03:37:07 pm
Next week is Aftermath Reboot 2! Would love a really good splash for it if CT27 or Herkie can provide!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Renegade Paladin on January 22, 2023, 06:59:21 pm
Aaaaaand copyright strike. 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 22, 2023, 07:03:50 pm
Not a strike, but basically won't play in any country unless I trim out the 26 seconds of Evangelion music, LOL. Stand by while I see if I can trim only the song and not the sound.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Strygon on January 22, 2023, 07:21:56 pm
Not surprised, the content bot is particularly aggressive for Eva tracks. Ran right into that one time when I uploaded an End of Evangelion ****post and got the entire thing claimed and regionlocked globally in the span of a couple seconds after uploading.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 22, 2023, 09:54:16 pm
Hi RMJ,

In the past I said I'd send you a kind of mini-guide on TBG with some hints about it since it's not as straightforward as AFR.  I'll get that wrote up and sent to you on Wednesday.  It won't be for every mission, but just some general advice that a first time player might not know (I'll try to minimize spoilers about the story, but I'd rather spoil a tiny bit rather than you running into something some people might feel like an ambush).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: NickM on January 23, 2023, 12:49:23 am
looking forward to it! I'm sure it will be a gas.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 23, 2023, 03:55:38 am
We have successfully survived the copyright bot! Apparently the (beta) mute music only for the 26 second offending Evangelion song worked, since we're relisted.


AND APPARENTLY IT DIDNT EVEN SUCCESSFULLY MUTE IT SO WE STILL GUCCI!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: ShivanSpS on January 23, 2023, 07:10:33 am
Keep in mind this for when you do JAD2.2X, because it is much, much worse.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 23, 2023, 11:40:34 pm
Next week is Aftermath Reboot 2! Would love a really good splash for it if CT27 or Herkie can provide!


Here is the image for the TBG splash screen. It's 16:9 format, 1600x901

Here is the download link:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/hr2odruhnrm89kk/TBG+Splash.png/file

Also for context before entering TBG, watch this video first. It's the AFR post-credit scene.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 23, 2023, 11:56:42 pm
Also....
Some pointers before playing AFR 2: TBG---

1. Don't use 3D shockwaves. You can set this on your Knossos Launcher. It is because I used shockwave effects for special warp-ins. It will be ugly to see 3D shockwaves when special ships warping in (not jumping in  :))

2. If possible, use TTS because there are a lot of in-game dialogues this time as this is a character-driven story unlike AFR which is a player-driven campaign. You can set this in your Knossos Launcher (just the "in-game" option checked)

3. You might encounter "tiny" HUD problem here as you did with AFR. If you have this problem, apply the same fix you did with AFR.

4. Read the description of the campaign so that you'll have some idea of what TBG gameplay will look like, link below:

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96405.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 24, 2023, 12:04:19 am
I also forgot.... bind these keys as shown in the link below:

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98170.msg1913983#msg1913983
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 24, 2023, 12:43:16 am
Oh, I'll say this once again...

If AFR deviated from the canon, traditions and feel of the Freespace universe, AFR 2:TBG breaks them entirely. Here are some of the reasons why and sure enough I was "crucified" by many of the HLP community.  :lol: But no harm done, I always accept criticism

Capital ships, from destroyers to cruisers and transports are fast, very fast. They all have a maximum speed of 100ms and for special ships, 300ms. This is faster than your fighters. I purposely did this to make ships travel great distances in less possible time.

Your enemies here matches your hardware. The same shields, the same armor, and the same level of weapons. Many complained about this so I made many adjustments. Now, it's playable.

I used Fury AI in TBG and most didn't know that AFR does use Fury AI too (derived from Blue Planet War in Heaven). But... the Fury AI of TBG is modified by me. The first released version of TBG back in 2020 was hell to players even on "very easy mode." So I toned down certain aspects. Also I modified/added some of the parameters in my Fury AI to enable opposing corvettes and cruisers to properly "dogfight" as they almost behave like fighters. They no longer attempt to broadside (most of the time).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 24, 2023, 07:27:24 pm
RMJ:  I received a suggestion from Herkie on FB he wanted me to give you in regards to the one file that there is an update for for TBG:

The "current" missions file for TBG (the one presently on Knossos) should be moved to your desktop temporarily (Herkie said to move it and not copy it...I don't understand everything about it myself but this was his suggestion) for the duration of the TBG playthrough.  That way, if the new file you download and move into its place doesn't work with Knossos for some reason, you can move the previous version back in (Herkie isn't 100% sure either way about this, but he thinks there's a possibility a file that was moved in to the folder from outside of Knossos...that Knossos may not like that).  This may be an issue or it may be no big deal at all...Herkie wanted me to just say this to you just in case.


P.S.:  To make sure you get this RMJ, I also PMed this to you.

P.S.S.:  If anyone else is wondering, we are having issues with Knossos and can't upload the one file that has an update ourselves (therefore the suggestion to RMJ to manually download the file and switch it out of the folder manually).  Someone had said they would help us with one more update but it looks like that person is busy and won't be able to make it in time.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on January 25, 2023, 12:42:50 am
I updated them yesterday
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 25, 2023, 03:36:39 am
I updated them yesterday

Oh. Yes!!!  :) :) :) Thanks a million.  :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 25, 2023, 07:37:17 pm
This is very much appreciated MJN, thank you.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 26, 2023, 04:52:23 am
Red,

Please take note that TBG is very different from AFR and the rest of the FS2 mods and Freespace itself. CT27 will provide some hints.

I am very excited about the upcoming stream and I want to join in the Team Speak. But I am only using my mobile, my PC is isolated from the net. Will it be possible for me to use mobile?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 27, 2023, 02:33:07 am
I managed from a tent in north wales so you should be OK.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 27, 2023, 04:31:09 am
So I found a way to cheese the copyright system. My Live Chat Replay disappeared because of the "mute song" version of the video being an "edit" rather than the original. So it allowed me to revert to original, and this time only American Samoa, Russia, and Niue are blocked from viewing the Just Another Day stream. And I got my Live Chat back. I wonder how far I can take this cheesing...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 28, 2023, 06:50:19 pm
Tomorrow . . .

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxkQkHKdIwivmKoTg0Ydzze45B5MK_9q7i
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 29, 2023, 11:32:40 pm
I'm glad you are having a blast with the live play although you struggled a bit. But, yeah, AFR 2 is a different animal altogether and it is more chaotic.

There's a bug with Osiris bombers though. It seems your shot damage don't effect much. I don't know what the bug is since it's not my custom model. Their hull and shield are the same with other vasudan bombers. And in my end I can kill them fairly easy.

Anyway, Osiris bomber were only used in 2 or 3 missions in the entire campaign. So if you encounter them, just cheat.

Regarding with secondary objectives and bonus objectives, some these are very hard to achieve. They are like "achievements." And they don't really fail the mission.

In your last mission of the stream, the 2nd convoy group is nearly impossible to save, it's the story. It was meant to introduce the deadliness of the Anubis Cruisers. I suggest killing the Weapons subs and not the reactor. Anubis Cruisers are fairly easy to disarm.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 30, 2023, 12:13:53 am
Some Info in AFR 2

CO of the 7th BG: Admiral Neil Cartwright
Flagship: Midway

Squadrons assigned to the 7th BG:
76th Ice Queens (Midway)
70th Blue Lions (Churchill)
78th Wyverns (Gettysburg or Midway)

----‐--------------------

I have posted these hints in my AFR 2 thread sometime in 2021.

For ships, there are only 2 types that should be your "goto." The Avalanche and the Raptor. Forget using bombers or the Phoenix or the Dark Angels unless that's all you have.

For weapons. Remember each has its advantages and disadvantages. But the "goto" for this campaign is the Starfury and the Devastator, both have good subsystem damage that is almost like the Akherton. Next in line is the Ripper. The Skyrail is not very good (though I added it in my weapon list).

Now, dealing with many bombers. Although I can wipe them all out under a minute, i recommend giving orders to ALL your wings to attack just one of them, preferably the center of the pack, and your wings will help you decimate them.

 Armed yourself and your wingmates with the best weapon available. The Starfury Scattergun, the Widowmaker if available (which is rarely available), the Screamer rockets (contrary to what everyone believes, it is very effective), trebuchets (they still have their worth) and lastly, the Blizzard SDG but only arm this yourself and not your mates (they tend to prerably use this and this weapon has no physical damage)

For capships. Vasdan cruisers, they are deadly to capships despite their size and very dangerous to approach with their flak cannons (they have 25), so brave the flak and destroy their reactors and they will explode. But if they are threatening assets you're protecting, quickly disarm them by targeting the Weapons Subs. For the deadly Vasudan corvette, it has no exposed reactor so disarm it completely by targeting the "weapons" subsystem. This is the same as the Archania destroyer. You have to be quick or they will tear you apart with their flaks or devastate the assets you are protecting. Vasudan capships are armed to the teeth. Those Hornviper torpedoes will tear your assets apart at very long range. Those Meson cannons (these are not regular lasers) which is analogous to the Terran Antimatter cannons (green projectile) are devastating now than in Reboot. Don't take out the turrets, take out the subsystem controlling it. Do this in strictly 2 minutes everytime. Everytime. An example is the mission "Caucus for peace," the two Archanias will destroy the transport Katrina in two minutes. Neutralize the two destroyers in two minutes, and yes, two destroyers. I can do that by using the Starfury and widowmakers, no need for the Blizzard.

Oh, yes. Mostly forget the enemy fighters. They are a distraction.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 30, 2023, 01:24:20 am
Googling my teamspeak delay yields only distance as a probable cause. Yet I had better results from a mobile phone in a tent at the foot of a welsh mountain 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 30, 2023, 05:55:43 am
Googling my teamspeak delay yields only distance as a probable cause. Yet I had better results from a mobile phone in a tent at the foot of a welsh mountain 🤣🤣

I hope there's no problem when I join Team Speak using mobile. But the time difference really throws me off. When Joe streams, it is 2am here. Way too late.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on January 30, 2023, 08:16:40 am
I see everyone is still getting the John Richter hype. Ha ha. Well, it's Lt. Commander Courtney Aguilar now. The Protagonist of AFR 2.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 30, 2023, 07:59:25 pm
I'm glad you're enjoying AF2 (aka TBG) so far RMJ.


A couple technical points:
-I heard there was a problem hitting the Osiris bombers.  From what I could see you were playing on FSO 22.0; I had the same problem with Osiris bombers on that version too.  When I switched to the newest official version of FSO (FSO 22.2), the problem went away and Osiris bombers were able to be destroyed normally.  Do you think you could switch to FSO 22.2, or do you want to stay on this path?

-Reminders:  The weak points of Anubis class cruisers are either the reactor subsystem (destroys them) or weapons subsystem (I usually go for reactors but Herkie says destroying weapons will disarm Anubis cruisers). 
The weak point of Hathor corvettes is the weapons subsystem (disarms them).

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on January 30, 2023, 08:02:57 pm
I was simply using what the mod called for without any modifications. If it runs better on 22.2, then that should probably be added to the mod default. I guess I can go manually change the JSON.

EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot I could use FSO Settings for a mod in Knossos and manually change what version it uses. Did that, and ready to go for next week, so hopefully the Osiris won't be OP.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 30, 2023, 08:12:16 pm
Sorry, I'm not 100% familiar with how Knossos works and I thought the FSO build could be changed more simply (I use wxLauncher right now).


Anyways, here's some general plot info some people may have wondered about based on the chat I saw in the video.

-John Richter as of the beginning of TBG is the CO of the GTD Petrarch.  Admiral Petrarch survived AFR (he wanted to go lead the Aquitaine's suicide mission at the end of AFR, but GTVA Command forbade it).  Petrarch passed away of natural causes between AFR and TBG.

-The Horus and Serapis fighters aren't the FS2 versions, they're technically a mk2 variant the Vasudans developed (one might argue they should still have lesser health than they do, but there's at least somewhat of an explanation for why they have a lot more health than in FS2).
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Post by: NickM on January 31, 2023, 11:11:36 pm
I see everyone is still getting the John Richter hype. Ha ha. Well, it's Lt. Commander Courtney Aguilar now. The Protagonist of AFR 2.

Courtney Aguilar? She Spanish?
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Post by: CT27 on February 01, 2023, 12:13:00 am
I see everyone is still getting the John Richter hype. Ha ha. Well, it's Lt. Commander Courtney Aguilar now. The Protagonist of AFR 2.

Courtney Aguilar? She Spanish?

When I created the character (this was a few years ago), I was a major follower of college athletics (NCAA Division I Softball in this case).  I used the first name of one of my favorites and combined that randomly with the last name of another favorite of mine, a teammate of hers, from a team I followed.

If we were to combine the ethnicities of these two women into one person, that would make Courtney Aguilar 3/4 white and 1/4 Filipino (I think, as I'm not sure of the exact ethnicities of the two women I got her names from).
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Post by: herkie423 on February 01, 2023, 12:18:00 am
I see everyone is still getting the John Richter hype. Ha ha. Well, it's Lt. Commander Courtney Aguilar now. The Protagonist of AFR 2.

Courtney Aguilar? She Spanish?

I forgot really. CT27 is the major writer for this campaign and came up with this character as the protagonist for AF2.

From what I know she is a Vegan, born in the Vega system, and of American-Spanish descent.

Oh, EDIT: Yeah, what CT27 said above.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 01, 2023, 01:46:46 am
Anyone else read that as vegan vegan, before the clarification? 🤣
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Post by: NickM on February 02, 2023, 09:23:18 pm
Anyone else read that as vegan vegan, before the clarification? 🤣

I was actually thinking you made her Filipina (Just remember from Dr. Who, during world war 4, The Philippine Army was one of the leading superpowers in that war--they helped liberate Helsinki).
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Post by: CT27 on February 03, 2023, 01:43:40 am
Anyone else read that as vegan vegan, before the clarification? 🤣

I was actually thinking you made her Filipina.

Assuming I guessed right earlier on the backgrounds of the women I got the names "Courtney" and "Aguilar" from, then Courtney Aguilar is part Filipina (admittedly just one-quarter) ethnically.  Like I said before, Courtney's 3/4 white and 1/4 Filipina (I may not be exactly right, but that's what I'm going with if people ask me Courtney's background).  Or if one wants to keep things simpler rather than dealing with specific fractions, one can just say Courtney is mixed race white/Filipina.

Does that kind of clear things up at least?

P.S.:  Looking forward to this weekend's stream!  It's been great so far.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 03, 2023, 06:51:04 am
Oh, so Courtney is Filipina-American. Damn, CT27, I didn't know that (or maybe I forgot). Ok, that's kind of flattering  :).

EDIT: Remind me of our classic guitarist and singer, Mr. Freddie Aguilar
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Post by: herkie423 on February 03, 2023, 06:59:51 am
Oh, Joe. I will give you a "creator" hint for the second mission in your upcoming stream. This hint is a non-spoiler. The mission "Diamond In The Rough" is very tricky, most of HLP hated me for it. So I will give you the hint after I play it and organize my thoughts. I will post it here and in YouTube before stream 002. Please do listen to the long dialogue lines.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 03, 2023, 07:06:49 am
The bickerings between Courtney and Ben are somewhat corney but they are real life bickerings between me and my ex-wife. Courtney's marriage is in trouble. This may not be significant in the main plot but the "seemingly" love triangle between Courtney, Ben, and Rear Admiral Jennifer Cadeza will escalated in the later mission and there will be a twist. You'll see.

This sub-plot will become part of the main plot. And.... you gotta feel some sympathy for this coulple
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Post by: herkie423 on February 04, 2023, 05:54:38 am
The first mission in your upcoming will be a "story mission" (I have several of those here). While these types of missions have objectives, they don't really matter because the mission is fated to an outcome. You don't have to set your loadouts with this mission, "A Wrong Turn."

A hint also. If the default set up calls for a Raptor, this means there are capital ships that need to be taken care of. And this brings to one of the most tricky mission designs I made, "Diamond In The Rough." There are no spoilers in this hint.

Arm your wings with Maxims and Starfuries and for your ship, Starfury and Blizzard. Take note that Blizzards should not be used by your wingmates. To deal with the cruisers, take out the Navs subs (a dialogue line will say so). This will prevent them to escape. I have placed some random behaviors in this campaign, sort of a tactic that the enemy will choose. Later, an Archania and a 2 Hathors will jump in. Order your bombers to destroy the Archania and you deal with the 2 Hathors by targeting the Weapon Subs. The rest are cruisers and a destroyer and you know how to deal with them.

There's a new type of directive I employ in this campaign. This is "neutralize." It means either destroy or disarm.

Hopefully, you can finish Act 2 in this stream. Happy hunting.
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Post by: redmagejoe on February 04, 2023, 06:01:41 am
I just got notified of a YouTube comment a second time that I couldn't find on the video. Think YouTube is eating your comments.
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Post by: Iain Baker on February 04, 2023, 07:16:17 am
The Commentovore consumes all 😜
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Post by: herkie423 on February 04, 2023, 09:05:28 pm
I just got notified of a YouTube comment a second time that I couldn't find on the video. Think YouTube is eating your comments.

I guess because it was long. But I posted it here as well. Above the your post I quoted. Oh please set your controls according to the link below:

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98170.msg1913983#msg1913983

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Post by: CT27 on February 06, 2023, 01:51:24 am
In all seriousness RMJ, I did like this episode.  I'm very grateful to you and Colt and others in this playthrough for giving AFR and TBG more reach and exposure.  Thank you.


I saw part of the video at the end where Colt was talking about the length of the campaign and people speculated about the length of TBG:

You just completed Act 2.  In TBG, there are five acts total (Act 3 is only five playable missions IIRC).

If one looks in the mission part of the techroom one will see that there are 38 mission files (that includes missions and cutscenes actually).  "The Crowning" was #16.  So, you have completed 16/38 of TBG so far.  If I had to guess, you will need at least two (maybe three) more 'sessions' of TBG to complete it at this rate.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 06, 2023, 07:18:03 am
I missed the german guy, Hendricks, though. He's not in Teams Speak.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 08, 2023, 04:56:41 am
Ok. In your 3rd stream. I guess you'll reach the mission, "Solar Eclipse." This is a red-alert mission. Very tricky. I'll give you a non-spoiler hint.

In the 1st part os "Solar Eclipse," pack a lot of Trebuchets, at least two banks. Do not use them here.

In the 2nd part of Solar Eclipse, go for the bombers immediately. Order ALL wings to cover you. Destroy as many bombers as you can in strictly 2 minutes. After 2 minutes, turn your attention to the Anubis Cruisers (Vasudan). Disarm them (weapon subs) then go back to the bombers and destroy them all. Then destroy the cruisers.

Now, pay attention to the directives. The order of the directive is a hint.  Do them in order. I can only tell you with limited info because If tell you what will happen, it's a spoiiler.
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Post by: CT27 on February 10, 2023, 05:57:26 pm
Herkie, on FB, recommended these pieces of general advice for everyone for TBG:

1-If the default ship for a mission is the Raptor, that probably means there will be some subsystem work needed to be done. 

Herkie recommends you take the Blizzard in a bank in that case. 
This is just my opinion though:  I tend to take the Maxim instead (it has a noticeably longer range and does almost as much subsystem damage).  Though if you RMJ, or anyone else, prefers the Blizzard then that's fine.


2-He said the Starfury and Devastator is a good combo because there's no 'linking penalty'.
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Post by: redmagejoe on February 11, 2023, 08:17:11 am
It's Naru's birthday today. Go flood the comments harassing him to start streaming Overwatch like he's been threatening to do for a year now. Oh yeah, and wish him some warm birthday wishes. :P

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxbZ9RsYVq-pkIKf5M0Z9Vqye4Rf_dDV3h
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Post by: herkie423 on February 12, 2023, 05:28:21 am
I'm here guys.... after a long absence. Well, I was cleaning up the assets of Reunion 3.... ****, this mod has a hundred issues and I am halfway of cleaning them. Hopefully, when these tons of errors gets cleaned up, Ian Baker will start getting the campaign going. Of course, I will be testing them.

EDIT: ... oops... wrong thread... :lol:
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Post by: herkie423 on February 13, 2023, 07:17:46 am
It's Naru's birthday today. Go flood the comments harassing him to start streaming Overwatch like he's been threatening to do for a year now. Oh yeah, and wish him some warm birthday wishes. :P

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxbZ9RsYVq-pkIKf5M0Z9Vqye4Rf_dDV3h

Done.. I greeted him....

Oh, Joe. I can't wait if you do Halo.... i am an expert of Halo 1, 2 and 3 and all rhe expansions in between.... I'm still playing them right now on my PC
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Post by: CT27 on February 13, 2023, 06:58:55 pm
To add to the discussion that happened on the recent video concerning Procyon Insurgency:  overall it is a very good campaign, but (as others said) it can be fairly difficult in the later missions.

One of the reasons for its above average difficulty is that a couple important weapons have been nerfed:
-The Kayser in PI now only has a range of 575 (vs. normally 975)
-The Maxim's range has basically been cut in half to 2000.  Also, the Maxim seems to have a little more kickback...and it now fires in a shotgun formation (somewhat similar to the AFR/TBG Starfury) instead of a straight shot.  I don't remember the exact stats, but it also seems to do less damage to enemy turrets as well now.



As for an update on TBG:  You just completed "At The Ship's Helm."  That means you are now (according to the mission page in the techroom) 24/38 finished with TBG.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 16, 2023, 06:25:04 am
Joe,

Creator advice;

Stick close to your objectives. Do not be distracted with the fighting that is really far from you. They are "fillers" or atmosphere building. Do not stray from your objectives or you will definitely fail.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 16, 2023, 02:59:30 pm
Maybe you could script some reminders into the missions to remind players to not stray too far?
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Post by: herkie423 on February 16, 2023, 09:14:09 pm
Maybe you could script some reminders into the missions to remind players to not stray too far?

Yeah, I could. Adding some dialogue lines. Good idea, Dekker.  :)
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 17, 2023, 05:49:16 am
If distance = greater than blah blah.
Three strikes = failed
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Post by: CT27 on February 17, 2023, 07:05:29 pm
Some more general advice for the TBG stream:

Judging by where you're at, I don't think you'll quite be able to finish TBG in one more video/stream.  However, I don't think you'll need two full ones.  If you use your normal full time for a stream (~4 hours) this weekend (Feb. 19) you'll probably be able to get through a chunk of Act 5 and then have very little left for the final stream (assumed to be Feb. 26).

My advice would be to complete Act 4 this weekend and then quit when you get to the Act 5 screen.  You could then finish the campaign next weekend (Act 5 is the last one).  Overall my opinion is that it would probably be better to have two medium-ish length streams rather than one normal length one and a really short one.  Your call though.

If you need to fill more time after finishing the campaign (and FYI so people don't miss it, there's an important post-credits scene), you could read some of the intelligence entries Herkie and I wrote.
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Post by: redmagejoe on February 19, 2023, 11:28:41 pm
It's easier for me to respond to Herkie's usual questions about my feelings on his campaign here on a medium where everyone can see it and evaluate my thoughts. Yes, I THOROUGHLY enjoy anything that demands problem-solving, and well-done combat puzzles are very satisfying for me. I don't feel like I'm a hero blowing up ships way larger than I should plausibly be able to, I feel like a hero when I outmaneuver and exploit a weakness against overwhelming odds and get to feel like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/Emz33fG.jpg)
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Post by: herkie423 on February 20, 2023, 12:05:40 am

 I don't feel like I'm a hero blowing up ships way larger than I should plausibly be able to, I feel like a hero when I outmaneuver and exploit a weakness against overwhelming odds and get to feel like this:


That's exactly what I thought when making TBG. I mean, leave the hostile large ships to friendly capships (unless you are in a capital ship). All you can do with capital ships is tactics, destroying subsystem and other weaknesses. TBG is more tactical than AFR. Meanwhile, AFR is more like an arcade game and it was focused on racking up kills.

I'm glad you enjoyed TBG despite of its slower pace (because of the story-telling).  :)
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Post by: redmagejoe on February 20, 2023, 12:08:27 am
For reference of my video gaming background, I grew up on Zelda games and puzzle platformers.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 20, 2023, 05:22:13 am
For reference of my video gaming background, I grew up on Zelda games and puzzle platformers.

No wonder you have an act in solving puzzles. I mean, I got grilled for the missions in TBG. But to my opinion, the puzzle difficulties in TBG is in par with Blue Planet Act 3.

My puzzle-solving prowess takes from my favorite game, the Tomb Raider series.

 By the way, Blue Planet is my inspiration that's why most of BP concepts are in the AFR universe, the ships and the Shivan telepathic link between the Shivan Blue Guardian and Richter which is conveyed in AFR 1. It's in his logs. Now, the telepathic thing (Nagari in Blue Planet) is a bit elaborated here in TBG.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 20, 2023, 05:36:00 am
.... And when I made the original Aftermath way back in 2012, there were fewer FS mods to download, along with Procyon Insurgency, Destiny of Peace, and others. But Blue Planet sticks to my soul. BP influenced me in a degree that absolutely guided me in mod making.

When I made TBG in 2017, the only mods I've known and played are Exile, BTA, and Shadow Genesis (made by Betrayal aka Nyctaeus). Those mods taught me much and they also influenced me but not as much as Blue Planet.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 20, 2023, 04:57:43 pm
The concept of Warp Speed, which is traveling faster than the speed of light, as opposed to Light Speed, is a Star Trek concept. The warp engine expands space behind the ship and contract space in front of it. The ship itself, which is wrapped in a warp bubble, is not moving so it does not violate Einstein's Theory of Relativity.

In Star Trek, they have a calculation table of warp factors. Warp 1 is the speed of light and warp 4 is light speed x 64. The warp factors increases exponentially. Warp 10 is x1000 and not achievable. Although, the starship Voyager did achieved Warp 9.8.

https://evert.meulie.net/faqwd/how-fast-is-warp-speed/

The concept of Warp Speed is actually researched by Nasa and the design for the engine has been drawn. The Alcubierre Drive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

In TBG, warp speed is exaggerated. The Rigelians are traveling several thousand times the speed of light.
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Post by: Goober5000 on February 22, 2023, 04:28:42 pm
Yes, I THOROUGHLY enjoy anything that demands problem-solving, and well-done combat puzzles are very satisfying for me.

Ah, this is good to know. :D
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Post by: CT27 on February 22, 2023, 07:17:17 pm
RMJ, there's not too much for me to say for this weekend's video (presumably you'll finish TBG).  The Act 5 missions are fairly straightforward. 

There are a couple of ways to tackle the final mission though:

Spoiler:
The final mission is called "Final Confrontation II".  There are two ways to play it basically and both, I think, are straightforward.  It just depends on your preference.

The first way is the 'traditional' or 'designed' way, one might say.  This is a fleet command mission where you can use the numbers near the lower right part of your screen to issue fleet orders.  You saw this stuff in the first part of Act 4.  You can use your fleet to attack the enemy fleet.  What you would be doing in this is flying a support role...you could take the Phantom or another fighter/bomber and take out the subsystems of the enemy capships while your allied capships do the bulk of the damage.

If you don't like fleet commanding with the interface, you find the mission too difficult that way, etc., then there is a second option.  This is a noticeably easier/quicker course of action.  You can take the Chimera corvette and blast the enemy capships yourself. 
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Post by: CT27 on February 24, 2023, 07:08:44 pm
Update news (for the pre-game FS news you usually do before beginning a playthrough each week):

-There was a recent update for MVPs (updating them to version 4.6.8).
-Derelict has received a recent update that I don't believe was mentioned before.
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Post by: Strygon on February 25, 2023, 02:15:06 am
Just let the man do his work, CT, I think he knows what he's doing at this point.
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Post by: CT27 on February 25, 2023, 02:29:59 am
I was just trying to give info to help him out and he's appreciated it in the past. 
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Post by: CT27 on February 27, 2023, 07:36:39 pm
Thanks for a great series on TBG RMJ.  You made it very entertaining. 

It will be nice to watch a series this coming weekend (PI) and not have to worry as much about whether people will like it or not.  Honestly, I was a little worried about how the streams of AFR and TBG would be received.  It was very enjoyable to see that your overall reaction was along the lines of "even if I wasn't crazy about certain story elements, AFR and TBG were fun experiences that I enjoyed and there was a lot to like about them both."  To be honest, that was a better reaction than I thought you'd have.

Like people have said, PI is relatively difficult (or at least above average on the difficulty scale) but you should still like it.  PI, I think, was the first mod I played (not counting official releases like FS1/ST/FS2) after first downloading FSO back in 2013 so it's kind of a special campaign for me.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 28, 2023, 01:29:16 am
To be honest, I thought about a sequel to when I finished AFR 2 years ago, but CT27 advised me (I think) to end the AFR story.

My idea of the sequel goes like this...

By the end of AFR 2, the Milky Way galaxy achieved peace and unity (a Star Trek concept) with the Shivans and Ancients protecting all the younger races, including the Vasudans and Terrans. But... the Rigelians from the Andromeda galaxy still hated the Shivans and wanted to wage war against them. So it will be an inter-galactic war. A war bigger than what we've seen in AFR.

Unfortunately, my powers in writing and modding is not enough. I did not push through with it because I had no idea how to escalate from there.
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Post by: herkie423 on February 28, 2023, 01:41:36 am

Like people have said, PI is relatively difficult (or at least above average on the difficulty scale) but you should still like it.  PI, I think, was the first mod I played (not counting official releases like FS1/ST/FS2) after first downloading FSO back in 2013 so it's kind of a special campaign for me.

Procyon Insurgency's difficulty is indeed above average, and it has a strategy elements too. But in my opinion, BP Wih 1 and 2 is still more mind-cracking.

I currently have the PI mod that ran with very ancient FSOs that's paired with MediaVP_3612. I modified it to run with FSO 374 and MVPS 2014. As usual, I edited the missions to add more chaos, AFR chaos, dozens more enemies. My very own Procyon Insurgency.
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Post by: CT27 on February 28, 2023, 04:39:27 am
To be honest, I thought about a sequel to when I finished AFR 2 years ago, but CT27 advised me (I think) to end the AFR story.

My idea of the sequel goes like this...

By the end of AFR 2, the Milky Way galaxy achieved peace and unity (a Star Trek concept) with the Shivans and Ancients protecting all the younger races, including the Vasudans and Terrans. But... the Rigelians from the Andromeda galaxy still hated the Shivans and wanted to wage war against them. So it will be an inter-galactic war. A war bigger than what we've seen in AFR.

Unfortunately, my powers in writing and modding is not enough. I did not push through with it because I had no idea how to escalate from there.

One of the things that people (in RMJ's recent stream) liked about the ending of TBG was that it actually was a fairly definitive ending (and ending on a positive note).  I would like to stay with that. 

So, just to be clear, if anyone's wondering if there will be a "The Aftermath III"...the answer is no.
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Post by: Goober5000 on February 28, 2023, 09:13:51 pm
So, just to be clear, if anyone's wondering if there will be a "The Aftermath III"...the answer is no.

But will there be... The After-aftermath? :nervous:
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Post by: herkie423 on March 01, 2023, 04:57:00 am
So, just to be clear, if anyone's wondering if there will be a "The Aftermath III"...the answer is no.

But will there be... The After-aftermath? :nervous:

Ha ha ha...LMAO!

Yeah, but it will no longer be Aftermath.... I need a good writer to pull this off and a good modder. I can no longer do the modding solo.

EDIT: Oh yeah, soon, I will upgrade my PC hardware to properly work with Reunion 2.5. So I will be able to run the latest FSOs and MVPS. I will definitely be back to modding.
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Post by: herkie423 on March 01, 2023, 05:05:26 am
I already some ideas in my head that will push the limits of FSO. Features like selecting systems to jump in using a map in the briefing screen (ala Freelancer style), do random missions to buy upgrades or new ships with RPG elements, progress through the chapters but having complete freedom as to where tbe story will unfold, something like that. It's ambitious, I know.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 01, 2023, 06:39:33 am
System select is already an in engine thing.  There are tech demos somewhere.
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Post by: herkie423 on March 04, 2023, 07:56:07 am
AFR and TBG are all-out space shooter game, lot of explosions, and have lots of carnage. While TBG is slower-paced because of the story-telling, it does have a share of the chaos I want to convey.

Now... I am editing the missions of both mods to add more random chaos. Every replay will be different as random ****s will come your way. Just like Left4Dead did. This spells more carnage and hellish chaos for the players. I intended for both mods to be built for replayability.
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Post by: CT27 on March 04, 2023, 11:28:08 pm
AFR and TBG are all-out space shooter game, lot of explosions, and have lots of carnage. While TBG is slower-paced because of the story-telling, it does have a share of the chaos I want to convey.

Now... I am editing the missions of both mods to add more random chaos. Every replay will be different as random ****s will come your way. Just like Left4Dead did. This spells more carnage and hellish chaos for the players. I intended for both mods to be built for replayability.

 Just be careful to not swing the difficulty too far in the difficult/hard direction.  People like the current accessibility of AFR and remember that one of the early complaints against TBG was that it was too difficult.   


As for RMJ, there were two updates I saw recently:
-Blue Planet Complete
-Sol:  A History
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 05, 2023, 10:28:43 am
The time approacheth!

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Post by: CT27 on March 05, 2023, 09:32:57 pm
I enjoyed the stream today.  I have a technical question:

For the stream series (PI) starting today and for the AFR series the videos had 480p as a viewing option.  However, the TBG series of videos didn't have that as an option (those went from 360p to 720p...with no 480p viewing option in there).  If I may ask, what changed?
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 06, 2023, 02:09:53 am
All streams are recorded at 1080p. Once a stream completes, YouTube can take up to 24 hours to fully process the VOD, starting at the lowest available quality before eventually reaching the original stream quality.
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Post by: herkie423 on March 06, 2023, 06:04:41 am
 Yes, all your YouTube streams are 1080p, more than 1 gigabyte to download. I set my download to 630p. At least, its 800mb. I downloaded all your AFR and TBG streams. I made them my references for campaign adjustments.

Yes, I can download Youtube videos.

EDIT: Once downloaded, they are automatically MP4 format.
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Post by: herkie423 on March 06, 2023, 06:09:33 am
Ahh.... it doesn't really take a day for YouTube to process. Only a few hours. About 5 hours at least
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Post by: CT27 on March 08, 2023, 07:10:16 pm
RMJ,  just to let you know, there was an update to Procyon Insurgency posted recently which should fix an issue with the Akheton disruptor not doing damage at its listed range (it had a listed range of about 2K but only did damage at about up to 900m).  It should fire normally now and be able to hit targets at its listed range according to CP5670.
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Post by: redmagejoe on March 11, 2023, 06:12:57 pm
Ya'll gonna have to show up an hour earlier for me.

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxpm-yiv3nQ0FSLJacu6lz9IQktN1Uh6Zs
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on March 12, 2023, 01:03:21 pm
RMJ,  just to let you know, there was an update to Procyon Insurgency posted recently which should fix an issue with the Akheton disruptor not doing damage at its listed range (it had a listed range of about 2K but only did damage at about up to 900m).  It should fire normally now and be able to hit targets at its listed range according to CP5670.

Was its effects in-game not the same as in the description and weapons table? If so how did you fix it? The Antimatter spear in Reunion is having this problem too and I'm not sure what is causing it or how to fix it. Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on March 12, 2023, 01:08:50 pm
Hi there,

FYI Herki and I are fixing up Reunion and I'm helping Nelson playtest Exile to make sure it works with modern FSO builds, so you may want to push them down the playlist if we haven't gotten both done and dusted by then.

Perhaps bring Bem Calvalgar further up the list because... you'll see why  ;7

PS - if you want to see how to add autoaim, glide, get the 3D ship and weapon selection models back etc. take a look here: https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97961.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on March 15, 2023, 06:55:18 pm
RMJ,  just to let you know, there was an update to Procyon Insurgency posted recently which should fix an issue with the Akheton disruptor not doing damage at its listed range (it had a listed range of about 2K but only did damage at about up to 900m).  It should fire normally now and be able to hit targets at its listed range according to CP5670.

Was its effects in-game not the same as in the description and weapons table? If so how did you fix it? The Antimatter spear in Reunion is having this problem too and I'm not sure what is causing it or how to fix it. Cheers  :)

It looked like it went on for the normal range it was supposed to (~2KM).  However, it only did any damage to turrets if it hit them @~900m or less.  I don't exactly know how he fixed it, you'll probably have to PM CP5670 or check the PI thread for more info.


Some update info for you RMJ:  Blue Planet Complete received an update this week.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on March 17, 2023, 08:37:04 pm
Also,  PI received another update this week.  It is now up to version 1.7.7  (though I don't know what this one did).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 18, 2023, 10:18:18 pm
T O M O R R O W

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx2OHQ_JOgyVL0jrMasRJTkKSsBYB4t7bX
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CP5670 on March 19, 2023, 03:32:29 pm
RMJ,  just to let you know, there was an update to Procyon Insurgency posted recently which should fix an issue with the Akheton disruptor not doing damage at its listed range (it had a listed range of about 2K but only did damage at about up to 900m).  It should fire normally now and be able to hit targets at its listed range according to CP5670.

Was its effects in-game not the same as in the description and weapons table? If so how did you fix it? The Antimatter spear in Reunion is having this problem too and I'm not sure what is causing it or how to fix it. Cheers  :)

It looked like it went on for the normal range it was supposed to (~2KM).  However, it only did any damage to turrets if it hit them @~900m or less.  I don't exactly know how he fixed it, you'll probably have to PM CP5670 or check the PI thread for more info.


Some update info for you RMJ:  Blue Planet Complete received an update this week.

It's a problem with the current media VP release. mv_effects.tbm should not have the lifetime in there at all, it interferes with campaigns.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on March 19, 2023, 06:42:51 pm
RMJ,  just to let you know, there was an update to Procyon Insurgency posted recently which should fix an issue with the Akheton disruptor not doing damage at its listed range (it had a listed range of about 2K but only did damage at about up to 900m).  It should fire normally now and be able to hit targets at its listed range according to CP5670.

Was its effects in-game not the same as in the description and weapons table? If so how did you fix it? The Antimatter spear in Reunion is having this problem too and I'm not sure what is causing it or how to fix it. Cheers  :)

It looked like it went on for the normal range it was supposed to (~2KM).  However, it only did any damage to turrets if it hit them @~900m or less.  I don't exactly know how he fixed it, you'll probably have to PM CP5670 or check the PI thread for more info.


Some update info for you RMJ:  Blue Planet Complete received an update this week.

It's a problem with the current media VP release. mv_effects.tbm should not have the lifetime in there at all, it interferes with campaigns.

mv_effects.tbm parameters will be parsed by the game and added to the "weapons.tbl" so Range is naturally there and should be there as it is a table parameter ever since the beginning of Freespace game release. All modular tables (tbm) are under the umbrella of their mother tables (tbl) like "*-shp.tbm" is under (or added) the "ship.tbl." The hint is the last 3 letters of the modular table. "-wep" is under "weapons.tbl," "-shp" is under "ships.tbl," "-aip" is under "AI.tbl" and so on. These TBLs or mother tables are located in root directory of the installed retail FS2

As for the weapon range. The actual projectile range is determined by Velocity X Lifetime. The "Range" parameter is for the AI, the range they start firing.

As for the values listed in the loadout screen, those are just texts. I can put anything there and will not have an effect. Some modders forgot to match the loadout screen text values with the actual values.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CP5670 on March 19, 2023, 08:17:13 pm
It should only have weapon parameters related to effects, not the whole weapon table entry. Range and lifetime affect gameplay and shouldn't be in there. The mv_effects.tbm overrides anything in a campaign's weapons.tbl unless the campaign has a mv_effects.tbm overriding the entire file, which is what I did in PI, but it really shouldn't be needed for this.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Renegade Paladin on March 19, 2023, 08:51:46 pm

My method of doing it runs about five minutes in to about 6:30.  Turn the radar down to 2km and just worm your way in, spamming the closest hostile target control and keeping said target in your rear arc.  You might get boxed in, but since they're rotating clockwise most of the time it will work. 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on March 19, 2023, 11:00:20 pm
It should only have weapon parameters related to effects, not the whole weapon table entry. Range and lifetime affect gameplay and shouldn't be in there. The mv_effects.tbm overrides anything in a campaign's weapons.tbl unless the campaign has a mv_effects.tbm overriding the entire file, which is what I did in PI, but it really shouldn't be needed for this.

That's the ideal method. It should  have been that way. It's what I did  in AFR and TBG, everything in those mods are very organized. I must make things organized because I no longer have the tenacity to keep track of many many things.in my age.

EDIT: And you shouldn't worry because MVPS is a secondary dependency and your mod, as a primary, will override it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on March 20, 2023, 12:41:40 am
It should only have weapon parameters related to effects, not the whole weapon table entry. Range and lifetime affect gameplay and shouldn't be in there. The mv_effects.tbm overrides anything in a campaign's weapons.tbl unless the campaign has a mv_effects.tbm overriding the entire file, which is what I did in PI, but it really shouldn't be needed for this.
Have you mentioned this to any FSU folks? It could have been a mistake
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on March 20, 2023, 10:44:35 am
It should only have weapon parameters related to effects, not the whole weapon table entry. Range and lifetime affect gameplay and shouldn't be in there. The mv_effects.tbm overrides anything in a campaign's weapons.tbl unless the campaign has a mv_effects.tbm overriding the entire file, which is what I did in PI, but it really shouldn't be needed for this.

Having those lines in that .tbm is actually related to effects - when the weapon effects were updated last, many recieved effects to "detonate" when their lifetime expires instead of just vanishing. For it work properly, the weapons' ranges (as lifetime times velocity) and their detonation ranges (seperate parameter) need to match

EDIT: Additionally, it is worth to mention that overriding the MVPs by placing an empty file with the same name of the table you want to override has been a common practice for mods with custom HUD gauges for a while
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CP5670 on March 20, 2023, 10:24:16 pm
EDIT: And you shouldn't worry because MVPS is a secondary dependency and your mod, as a primary, will override it.

The problem is the tbm in the secondary will override a tbl in the primary. The only way to get around this is to override the entire tbm file, which needs a campaign update whenever the MVP is updated. Last I checked (which was years ago), a primary tbm does not necessarily override a secondary tbm. I don't know if there is a way to selectively override parts of a tbm only?

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My method of doing it runs about five minutes in to about 6:30.  Turn the radar down to 2km and just worm your way in, spamming the closest hostile target control and keeping said target in your rear arc.  You might get boxed in, but since they're rotating clockwise most of the time it will work. 

Nice stealth run. It's pretty easy to do once you figure out the enemy movements.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 25, 2023, 11:30:32 pm
Tomorrow's pre-stream will be a bit more somber, and I hope that you'll all join me in commemorating the legacy of one of HLP's own.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSQ5VAxLhfi9qvL1MaEfD4g/community?lb=UgkxR7rMeQb9rWjutHg8I0IjZ8uLGtpw7s_x
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on March 26, 2023, 06:14:35 am
Tomorrow's pre-stream will be a bit more somber, and I hope that you'll all join me in commemorating the legacy of one of HLP's own.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSQ5VAxLhfi9qvL1MaEfD4g/community?lb=UgkxR7rMeQb9rWjutHg8I0IjZ8uLGtpw7s_x

Will do. I will see this. Download it first, of course. Can't see it live. Bad internet.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on March 26, 2023, 06:28:26 am
Oh Joe... you performance in PI... what can I say... hmm... not really a.... I don't want to say it.

I have the the earliest version (2009), and that mod was bad ass. I mean bass ass, Tomb raider 3 feel with regards of puzzle difficulty. Hey, that mod inspired me to make combat puzzle level in TBG (Blue Planet 3 was the primary). Now, I triumphed it everytime---Well the 2009 version, of course. But still, watching the vods, I was screaming for you you to do that, tackle that. However, you made it through. Amazing job.

I want to play this updated mod. This mod was one of the greats.

By the way, please give the link of your Trimurti vods. I am intrigued of it. I want to download all the vods of it. 😁 and leave a "like" of, course.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on March 26, 2023, 06:29:11 am
As always, your playthroughs are superbly entertaining.

EDIT: have you read about the Shivan Burger thing?. Come on, read the Ben Aguilar Report. It will melt your brain but it's worth it. It's my Sci-Fi ideas. And please do leave a comment of your thoughts.

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98121.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CP5670 on March 26, 2023, 04:44:07 pm
Oh Joe... you performance in PI... what can I say... hmm... not really a.... I don't want to say it.


:D

To be fair though, some of the later missions do seem to have unintended bugs with enemy AI behavior. We saw that in 11 in particular. I'll have to go through it at some point and see what the problem is.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on March 28, 2023, 06:05:54 am
Oh Joe... you performance in PI... what can I say... hmm... not really a.... I don't want to say it.


:D

To be fair though, some of the later missions do seem to have unintended bugs with enemy AI behavior. We saw that in 11 in particular. I'll have to go through it at some point and see what the problem is.

Actually, you can just edit the Fury AI parameters if you use it or just adjust the default AI parameters. In truth, both AI profile parameters for Fury and Retail look the same. It's only the values that makes the default Fury AI.

The parameters are easy to understand. Example: "$Set AI use best weapon ON" (I might forgot the exact patameter) will enable the AI to fire Trebuchets.
You can also set how many hostile crafts and turrets that can target you at any given time.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on April 05, 2023, 05:42:59 pm
I saw on the FSO Nebula page that there are two "Renegade Resurgence" items listed.  The one with "44" in the title is the more recent one and the one you'll want to play IMO. 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on April 09, 2023, 08:14:27 am
So I've been looking through Knossos for hidden gems not on your list to recommend (and finishing up my backlog), and man, some of these campaigns are frakking GRODY. I suggest you play "Alliance Fights Back" if you want a compelling, mind-bending storytelling experience that rivals even Eser Guven's masterwork, the critically acclaimed "Surprise!" No MediaVPs, we party like it's 1998 :beamz:

[Edit] Also highly recommend "Battle for Altair" if you do not have any particular attachment to your brain cells. I won't spoil what happens in mission 2. Like the Matrix, you have to see it for yourself. (Also both of these are FS1 campaigns and suffer for it with boring, endless fights against waves of fighters - I highly recommend using the www.freespace2.com strategy)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on April 09, 2023, 11:54:32 am
Link to how to get 3D models back, plus lots of other goodies, such as reverse gear and glide 😎

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97961.msg1913167#msg1913167
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on April 10, 2023, 05:32:53 am
Link to how to get 3D models back, plus lots of other goodies, such as reverse gear and glide 😎

Well, getting models is easy. We have model dumps here in HLP.

As for auto-aim fixes and other stuffs, the physical model has nothing to do with. It's in the ship's table entries, or global LUA scripts (which I have no idea unless I have a sample which I can decipher), or other scripts like in the link you posted (which I will begin to decipher.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on April 10, 2023, 01:15:18 pm
I just noticed something while playing Exodus in the FreeSpace Port, which I confirmed by going and watching a longplay of the original Descent: FreeSpace. It would appear that there was an oversight in this mission design, where based on voice lines, in some instances the nodes for Sirius and Aldebaran are "swapped", or at least the orders given to certain ships are. Kappa 4 carries supplies for its forces in Sirius, but goes to the Aldebaran jump node, while Kappa 5 and Kappa 6 go to the Sirius jump node, with Kappa 6 stating it is now departing for Aldebaran.

It would seem that the port team decided to keep this oversight intact, and I was curious if the philosophy was to create as close to a 1:1 emulation of the original game as possible without improvements.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: ShivanSpS on April 10, 2023, 04:32:40 pm
I just noticed something while playing Exodus in the FreeSpace Port, which I confirmed by going and watching a longplay of the original Descent: FreeSpace. It would appear that there was an oversight in this mission design, where based on voice lines, in some instances the nodes for Sirius and Aldebaran are "swapped", or at least the orders given to certain ships are. Kappa 4 carries supplies for its forces in Sirius, but goes to the Aldebaran jump node, while Kappa 5 and Kappa 6 go to the Sirius jump node, with Kappa 6 stating it is now departing for Aldebaran.

It would seem that the port team decided to keep this oversight intact, and I was curious if the philosophy was to create as close to a 1:1 emulation of the original game as possible without improvements.

Yeah FS1 node inconsistencies are well documented
https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Node_Inconsistencies

The only way to actually fix that is to re-write the entire FS1.

Btw, that is something im doing, not great progress just minors bits here and there, but "Ribos: The Aftermath", and "Retreat from Deneb" are actually two bits from that story, and the changes make them not 100% canon compatible.
But, im not planing to release anything more playable, in fact KnossosNET may actually be my last project, after that i just want to focus on finishing the writing of that story. At most i may make some new cutscene.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on April 10, 2023, 06:35:25 pm
Well, I knew there were more general node inconsistencies in terms of the wider universe, but what I was talking about wasn't so much an entire rewrite as it was a single inconsistency within one mission. Really it just seems like Kappa 4 and Kappa 6 were meant to be switched, and everything else in the mission would play out properly.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on April 10, 2023, 09:57:31 pm
It would seem that the port team decided to keep this oversight intact, and I was curious if the philosophy was to create as close to a 1:1 emulation of the original game as possible without improvements.
AIUI, yes, that is the intention. It is a port of Freespace 1 into Freespace 2, warts and all. Though there may be occasional exception for bugs which prevent the mission from working properly.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on April 11, 2023, 08:52:01 pm
Heh, all these years and I never noticed that one. But yeah, FS1 in particular is full of all sorts of weird node map and dialog inconsistencies.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on April 12, 2023, 01:08:11 am
Found a campaign you'll want to play! Cataclysm (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98480.0), released looooong ago in 2022, is a very fun little post-FS2 campaign with a unique premise compared to all the "Sol gate and/or Shivans and/or rebels again" campaigns! It's a demo, so it doesn't conclude its story, but what's there is very good :yes:

Honorable mentions so far, dunno if you'll want to slot them in somewhere:

Alcibiades' Gamble is a demo for a cancelled project :(, and plays like the beginning of a campaign - somewhat slow-paced, simple missions with not a lot going on mechanically (you shoot down LOTS of fighters lol). FREDding and moment-to-moment writing are pretty sound, though the campaign didn't quite manage to sell the feeling of tension/unease it was going for (it's set in the very early days of the NTF when no one knew who to trust). Kewl music.

The Apocalypse: Vega is an odd campaign marred by spelling/grammar errors, strange presentation (no loadouts/debriefings, and some subtitle text seemingly in place of them), a premise that stretches disbelief (LOTS of Shivans spilled over into Vega from Capella during FS2, apparently), and frustrating loadouts (A Herc with default weapons, including Prom Rs :mad: I get that they're launching everything they have, but at least give me Akhetons if you want me to disable a Lilith's beam!). Despite all this, the first few missions I played were fun!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on April 22, 2023, 11:49:58 pm
Can some super-cool person in HLP make a tribute to TopAce background / splash? Something that sort of captures all his campaigns, or maybe a forum logo he used, or just something that would make for a distinct thumbnail and splash screen for the legend?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on April 24, 2023, 07:39:20 pm
It's sad to hear about TopAce's passing, much of his work was before my time here.

So, I'd also like to apologize to Joe for not being present for any streams in a long while, life has been very complicated for me as of the past few months, and it's unlikely to improve anytime soon.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: herkie423 on April 30, 2023, 06:02:39 am
I have finished the complete Game User Interface with Main Hall menu for Reunion Series. I say Reunion series because this will apply to all Reunion Acts 1 and 2. I've sent it to Iain Baker.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 07, 2023, 03:25:33 pm
Vote on the new poll!  No matter what you choose, both games will be played! This is just to decide the order.

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx2aslvEf0p4u4r9STwEVdtIwS_Fc9-Qv0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on May 15, 2023, 07:16:47 pm
I heard in the beginning of the recent video that someone was going to be making a new launcher/installer.  Would it be possible for this to have a changelog for the most recent update to campaigns?

It doesn't need to be super fancy, just something like (for example):
"Derelict version X.  Updated m/d/y
Changes:
-
-" 
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 16, 2023, 02:54:14 pm
Which version of Solaris will you be playing?

I was not "enthusastic" about after I tried the first release due to a confluence of factors (from issues with the writing to some technical problems; to me the maps on the ships caused eyestrain I had not experienced with FSO before - but some MVP models do that to me too). While I am not likely to try Solaris again, I would like to see how it has improved with the new releases.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 16, 2023, 10:32:30 pm
I heard in the beginning of the recent video that someone was going to be making a new launcher/installer.  Would it be possible for this to have a changelog for the most recent update to campaigns?

It doesn't need to be super fancy, just something like (for example):
"Derelict version X.  Updated m/d/y
Changes:
-
-" 

This isn't something that is really controllable by any launcher/installer; this is something that the mod author would have to maintain and update.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 21, 2023, 12:06:12 am
T O M O R R O W

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxrztDpYSGPLUg9L3lUH7CA-iEyYlPYZtP
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 26, 2023, 01:23:16 am
All of my practice this week paid off...

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on June 11, 2023, 05:51:12 am
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSQ5VAxLhfi9qvL1MaEfD4g/community?lb=UgkxsmftSPAfGq8v-CHXEpAaz5WTZA8UZ0VN

Today Joe will be streaming the finale of his Solaris playthrough, which will include a special preview of what you can expect in Solaris Part 3: Albion!

(https://i.imgur.com/9fyZdyI.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 11, 2023, 03:30:24 pm
Speaking of.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 25, 2023, 07:08:22 am
Today... is a good day...

FOR HALO

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxxh8Y_8WHNngrc2RgDjuHx0bEZlJOa-NH
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 04, 2023, 06:11:13 pm
I have some sad news Joe...according to Iain Baker (who heard from the family), Herkie/Herkie423 recently passed away. 

Like you did with TopAce a while back, could you dedicate a few minutes or so to the beginning of this week's stream for a memorial?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: NickM on July 13, 2023, 11:13:20 pm
I have some sad news Joe...according to Iain Baker (who heard from the family), Herkie/Herkie423 recently passed away. 

Like you did with TopAce a while back, could you dedicate a few minutes or so to the beginning of this week's stream for a memorial?

WHAT?! NO! His campaigns turned into the freespaciest missions to have ever freespaced;
He'll be missed and my condolences go out to his family.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 14, 2023, 07:06:36 pm
Thank you RMJ for the tribute you had to Herkie in the past stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CP5670 on July 14, 2023, 11:35:37 pm
Wow, that is terrible. :( He just posted in this thread a few months ago.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 19, 2023, 06:33:23 pm
RMJ, what happened with the stream this past Sunday?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 19, 2023, 10:46:26 pm
Stream was cancelled due to a crash on startup caused by the latest Halo MCC update that a lot of people are *****ing about on various forums. If they don't push a fix by Saturday, I may have to find something else to stream in the interim.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 20, 2023, 02:39:58 am
Barotrauma?  The atmosphere is exquisite.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 21, 2023, 07:45:42 pm
Stream was cancelled due to a crash on startup caused by the latest Halo MCC update that a lot of people are *****ing about on various forums. If they don't push a fix by Saturday, I may have to find something else to stream in the interim.

I'm not certain about the technical side of how you do this, but if you can't get HALO going/continuing this weekend, could you go back to Freespace campaigns until it gets fixed?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 21, 2023, 07:47:31 pm
A patch was pushed for Halo MCC yesterday night which fixed this issue. Community shouted loud enough it got fixed, and I'm able to launch the game now. This week's stream is on schedule barring any other unforeseen problems.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 21, 2023, 06:41:35 pm
I'm not sure if this got into your recent stream, but in case it didn't here's some update info for your next stream:

-Inferno Classic has received an update
-Derelict has received a pretty big update to improve the audio and voices in the campaign
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 29, 2023, 07:58:33 pm
When Reach is done, are you going to start FS campaigns again?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2023, 08:02:43 pm
I haven't decided yet if I want to start the Cold Element mods or do System Shock.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on September 02, 2023, 10:02:03 pm
I haven't decided yet if I want to start the Cold Element mods or do System Shock.

Either way, everyone wins. :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on September 03, 2023, 05:45:22 pm
Got some splash screens for you:

Aftermath
[in progress; will be ready by Saturday]

Warzone
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/warzone-banner.png)

Twilight
[in progress]

Derelict
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/derelict-splash.png)

BWO Demo
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/BWOtitle1.jpg)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 05, 2023, 02:15:08 am
Those are some pretty good assets. Is there promotional material that's 16:9 that could be used for the splash screen / thumbnail?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on September 05, 2023, 12:03:42 pm
There isn't anything strictly in 16:9, but I could letterbox these.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 05, 2023, 02:30:18 pm
I'd like to again clarify, that I'm not Australian.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on September 05, 2023, 10:47:47 pm
Ok, letterboxed plus more:

Aftermath
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/Aftermath-1920x1080.png)

Warzone
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/Warzone-1920x1080.png)

Twilight
[in progress]

Derelict
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/Derelict-1920x1080.png)

BWO Demo
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/BWO-1920x1080.png)

And a bonus:

ITHOV
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/ITHOV-1920x1080.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on September 07, 2023, 01:31:51 pm
And now Twilight
(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/Twilight-1920x1080.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 09, 2023, 06:34:08 pm
T O M O R R O W

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxLGficoZ8fTvqgxahXli9KzgEKbX9hIJL
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on September 17, 2023, 02:45:00 pm
Alternate version of BWO:

(https://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/images/ce/BWO-1920x1080_2.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 22, 2023, 06:04:12 pm
For the update news section of your upcoming stream:

This past week Goober put out un update for Cardinal Spear.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 22, 2023, 06:19:03 pm
For the update news section of your upcoming stream:

This past week Goober put out un update for Cardinal Spear.

Goober won't be able to make it to stream, so can you tell me what changed since I won't be able to ask him directly?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 23, 2023, 07:23:36 pm
https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=47337.msg1918252#msg1918252
That's from the CS thread and provides a more technical explanation.

In layman's terms from what I can gather:  Somehow certain table values got mixed up which resulted in enemy ships having the wrong amount of health (i.e., some enemy ships had too high health).  This fix makes sure the right table value is read and therefore fixes balance issues.  For instance, the first mission of CS should now be noticeably easier.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 28, 2023, 03:14:37 pm
I'm happy freespace is on the menu, but i strongly encourage you to check this out for wh3n younrevieit HALO.


Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on October 04, 2023, 12:43:03 pm
Please don't forget to add the 3D select table ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: qweqwe321 on October 19, 2023, 10:21:49 pm
By the way, man. Blue Planet Chanticleer is out and fully voice acted. Would love to have you stream it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: qweqwe321 on October 19, 2023, 10:22:51 pm
([email protected] if you want to arrange a time for me to be in the stream)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on October 23, 2023, 06:45:28 pm
You said in the recent Derelict video that you liked campaigns that portrayed a feeling of horror and hopelessness against the Shivans.

A campaign that you'll like then IMO (which is on your list) is Exile.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 24, 2023, 12:58:51 pm
Vassagos dirge re-release and updated master version, for Halloween......

That's got to be the one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on October 27, 2023, 06:04:01 pm
Update news:

Cardinal Spear has been updated to version 1.4.0 (presumably by Goober5000).  Since it was a major point update (the second out of three numbers), I'm guessing it was a little more than a simple bug fix, though I haven't found release notes.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on October 28, 2023, 12:02:40 am
It was one bugfix: the addition of the new $Calculate subsystem hitpoints after parsing: (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Game_settings.tbl#.24Calculate_subsystem_hitpoints_after_parsing:) flag which was needed to fix subsystem strengths on a number of ships.  Without this flag, subsystems were about five times as strong as they were intended to be.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on October 28, 2023, 09:36:40 am
Go, subsystems!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on November 06, 2023, 06:22:05 pm
An update update for next stream:

-Derelict has been updated to version 4.0.7
-Blue Planet Complete has been updated to version 3.3.1
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on November 22, 2023, 01:20:55 am
(https://i.imgur.com/O2jmLXA.jpg)

A number of you in chat got into some weirdly cultish discussion about what to do with my old flight stick that was retired, now that I have a replacement. Consider this a follow-up, a challenge if you will, to that proposal.

What is the ultimate fate of Red Mage Joe's Logitech Extreme 3D Pro that has seen the entirety of the Joe Plays FreeSpace Open series up to this point? If someone actually wants to acquire this stick, or you guys want it... I don't know, "enshrined" somewhere, speak now. If I don't hear anything before the end of the month, it's going into the trash.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 22, 2023, 03:09:49 am
Spray it gold and make it a trophy.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on November 22, 2023, 06:45:56 pm
Spray it gold and make it a trophy.

No answer can top that, imo.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 03, 2023, 12:25:46 am
TOMORROW WE BURN

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxcI0MX4JgN5VRwA20ZOXdkbU8ruXqC5h1
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 03, 2023, 04:57:38 am
I've heard good things about the new VA.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on December 09, 2023, 10:42:45 am
Unfortunately, due to family medical situation, I won't be able to make tomorrow's stream. I need to be available to support a loved one healing from a rather invasive surgery here at home, and out of consideration for them and my need to be at hand, I've decided that being in the next room screaming into my microphone is probably not conducive to their healing process.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on December 09, 2023, 12:05:09 pm
Understood.  Best wishes for their safe and rapid recovery. :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on December 09, 2023, 07:41:33 pm
Oof, best of luck to them mate! Hope all goes well!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on December 22, 2023, 07:18:37 pm
I'm glad to hear on the recent stream things are going decently (IIRC RMJ said his relative was doing okay all things considered).


On a less serious note:  As for Inferno, it is a shame like Joe (and the chat) said that both versions end on cliffhangers.  RMJ, if you thought the Gigas was amazing at the end of Inferno Classic...you should ask people about what the Gargant was going to be like.  That supposedly dwarfed the Gigas and was rumored to virtually be able to shrug off even the Icanus beam.

I think the Gargant was the biggest Shivan ship ever made.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 23, 2023, 03:14:02 am
Supposedly dwarfed the earth background model too from what my misty clouded brain recalls.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on December 23, 2023, 05:09:17 am
Larger things with more HP aren't necessarily more fun (or more amazing). I'd say it's usually the opposite, because moar bigger and moar HP is a super lazy design decision.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on December 23, 2023, 09:31:57 am
IMO INF is mimicking the scope creep present in FS itself: Shivan fighters, then the Taranis, then the Lucifer, then the Sathanas, each time they show up with some AWESOME NEW UBERSHIP and each time you get some cool new weapon/beamz/subspace Macguffin/Bosch Beer to defeat it.

The latter half of FS2 breaks this pattern, which I rarely see in games and which I think is the only appropriate choice when dealing with the Shivans as they were established. We don't defeat them - we run and hide, we stave off the danger, we survive but with the full understanding that if they show up again we could be utterly and completely ****ed.

But most games (including IIRC :v:'s old plan for FS3) go the Inferno route: antagonists exist to be beaten, so the Shivans must be beaten somehow, which means we must get access to some awesome new weapon that negates the danger, which means that next time (and there's always a next time, because we all want to play more FS) the Shivans have to show up with a new, even greater threat. And so the scope creep continues.

The problem, gameplay-wise, is that there's a limit to how big a ship can get before the player can simply have no meaningful interaction with it in-mission. The Sath in Bearbaiting is pushing that limit. The Sol Gate with its glorious polygons is definitely pushing that limit. The Shivan ships at the end of INF and the Gargant are well, well beyond it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 23, 2023, 11:57:23 am
I was looking forward to the V Godzilla scale missions that would've been in FS3, truth be told.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on December 25, 2023, 05:23:05 pm
Two more reasons why it would have been cool to see Inferno Classic finished:

1-Keres superfighter (it was the GTVA's most powerful fighter ever...with 16 forward guns it was said to basically be a fighter with the power of a cruiser).  Though the Keres was flyable in the campaign "Ghost Revenant", I can't remember if it had 16 guns in that one or they slightly nerfed it for that campaign.

2-Armageddon bomb (this bomb was said to have the power of a mini black hole)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on January 01, 2024, 12:53:11 pm
I spotted INFA's "second generation Apollo"-like in the footage of the most recent stream, but its class name was redacted. Anyone know what name it travells under today?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on January 01, 2024, 06:23:41 pm
To correct a minor point Renegade Paladin made in the recent stream:

-In Aftermath 2 (The Blue Guardian), you find out that
Spoiler:
The GTA is in control of Sol when the two sides reconnect.  So there actually is one campaign where that happens.  Also, if one reads the intelligence entries for "Sol Treaty" (divided into parts), peaceful reunification does happen a few years after AF2.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on February 07, 2024, 05:15:39 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing Incursion+Return To Sol being played.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 10, 2024, 09:11:14 pm
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxS5Tff5yqA4Bo0aRKHfT8FhxAmgb5sAfs

T O M O R R O W
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 18, 2024, 04:25:10 pm
As a reminder, I will be playing different, non-FreeSpace games for the next several Sunday streams, but I would still greatly appreciate having all of you in attendance to keep me company.  I'm aiming to play games that don't require quite as much hyper focus so that I can better engage with everyone in the audience, and have a comfy back and forth.

Next week we'll be playing System Shock (2023)!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 19, 2024, 04:24:29 am
JAD 2.21 will be the first FreeSpace campaign I come back to.

Also, please save the date!

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: ShivanSpS on February 19, 2024, 09:49:04 am
Oh god someone needs to voice that ASAP before joe gets to it
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on February 19, 2024, 10:41:48 am
JAD Hype! System shock hype! :D Also lmao that almost-crash at the end of Blighted nearly killed me :wakka:

And I nerfed my Kvasir's turn time by a wee bit based on our chat at the beginning (And Joe's reaction to flying the Pegasus, which put it into perspective) :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 19, 2024, 05:16:08 pm
JAD hype is real.  By far the most original and entertaining campaign.
Part of it IS technically voiced though isn't it....m :D :lol:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on February 24, 2024, 10:27:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxhuBRspa33UwIiUZ_HwKkhZzo7gZylSu4

I hope you all will join me even for this non-FreeSpace stream!  I'd still like to chat with you guys about FreeSpace stuff and anything else under the sun.  It should be much easier to engage the audience in System Shock compared to FreeSpace, so don't leave me hanging!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 02, 2024, 02:56:51 am
Pretty sus behavior, YouTube.  I went from 452 views on my System Shock video down to 117, and a peak of 25 people watching (easily trackable on Streamlabs and the stream itself before it became a VOD, too) to 12.  HMMM...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 02, 2024, 03:30:19 am
That's very sus.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 02, 2024, 08:50:28 pm
Let's see if this one survives the culling. May even take screenshots of stats when the stream ends.

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxnsQ7TD9iM4-bHbiCEKvNOuRsT5_GBsOT
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Shivan Hunter on March 03, 2024, 04:14:07 am
The YT algorithm: Look at you, hacker...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 09, 2024, 05:13:31 pm
T I M E
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxsCSlcapaTaGCMrR3x40lA0y82YGVgch_

But also
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxS5M4liNu1YsmNyBSykCOHUmuN7HjoqAE
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 16, 2024, 10:57:02 pm
Are you feeling the SHOCK?

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxHSKJaqpvr6KCmdoknAuJXfoptPiwNsE6
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on March 23, 2024, 09:10:14 pm
God save me from Claymore Roombas.

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxhsfVgf92xQGRyCyOUsXA9F1Qt53iyUZi