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Hosted Projects - Standalone => The Babylon Project => Topic started by: Vidmaster on January 08, 2010, 03:53:52 pm
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I am in need of actors for a project far to big for my liking :lol:
Click me! (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=66772.0)
There is a cameo of General Maxwell Synder, wouldn't it be great if the same actor would come back? Not to mention that there are so many other lines in need of voice-acting...
EDIT: Character is out.
:) Still gladly accepting more voice actors though.
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You're stealing my characters as well now? :eek2: Wouldn't it be polite to ask for permission before stealing my characters? :)
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It's a simple question dude. Nothing sinister.
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Much unlike a black teapot...
...Pretty much evil incarnate, there...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaaa
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Urgh, passive aggressive much?
Cameo appearance by definition is something that usually doesn't have much of an impact to the story. It's a nod, a homage, usually out of respect for the original work, or sometimes a director of a movie makes a short appearance in their own movie (see Hitchcock and Tarantino for examples). I'm sure Vidmaster can make do without it if you seriously want that, but wouldn't it be better if you just told him not to?
Besides, it might even be covered by fair use. Who knows. :nervous:
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Yeah I'm pretty sure we could get away with an Obama cameo if we wanted to.
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Obama cameo would be legal if done in parody, under US law.
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It's a nod, a homage, usually out of respect
It's ok dude I don't expect respect when I come on this board. I'm under no illusions about the fact that most people on this board think I'm Satan. That aside I would obviously rather Vidmaster did not use my creations in his work. Of course Vidmaster will do it anyway :lol:. Because he's *that* gangsta.
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It's ok dude I don't expect respect when I come on this board. I'm under no illusions about the fact that most people on this board think I'm Satan. That aside I would obviously rather Vidmaster did not use my creations in his work. Of course Vidmaster will do it anyway :lol:. Because he's *that* gangsta.
No, you see, you baffle me. In fact I am more than a bit worried about your behaviour. Your behaviour is strange and creepy, and I would actually like to ask you if you have someone you could talk to about this in real life because your passive aggressive assault on the forum and it's administrators - especially Karajorma and others associated with The Babylon Project and related matters - suggests some kind of issues, but since I'm not exactly familiar with your normal behaviour, I can't be sure if it's just your normal personality or something more sinister.
So, yeah, I dunno. I hope you can resolve your issues since you are obviously not over the whole ****storm with TBP's updates. Take care.
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PEOPLE, stop it. This is a valid point.
That aside I would obviously rather Vidmaster did not use my creations in his work. Of course Vidmaster will do it anyway :lol:. Because he's *that* gangsta.
Not exactly. This is a lot different than some past differences. I totally accept your claim on this character, so if you veto this super minor thing, it's okay with me. This is undeniably your character.
One thing however: The character of General Maxwell Snyder was part of Fortune Hunters 2259 when it was originally released two years ago and still is to this point. Nobody complained back then. :confused: It's a four dialogue line cameo.
What's it gonna be?
(not to mention that the voice actor has not posted something here and without him, I am going to rewrite the scene to remove this character, because a cameo is silly if it's another actor)
It's a nod, a homage, usually out of respect
It was back then and it still is. Raider Wars is a great campaign.
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I have to check out Fortune Hunters 2259.
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What's it gonna be?
Are you baiting me? My position has not changed. It's there in the archives. You know what it is and you know if I reiterate it the admins of this site will ban me instantly and with great pleasure. Let's not pretend this is an open forum ;).
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No we won't.
You're welcome to state you feel that he should remove the character and Vidmaster is welcome to tell you that since you didn't object two years ago, he's not going to. He's equally welcome to tell you that he'll change the mission to remove him and make sure a new version is distributed.
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And you're welcome to ignore my denial of permission for my work to be used in future releases as you did with Zatharas. It's down to your personal sense of honour and respect for other modders, and the precedent for that has been set already. Zatharas sits, full of my work, was released and sits on the TBP "official" downloads page :drevil:. Really, as Vidmaster points out, this in the grand scheme of things this is a small and insignificant thing. Do what you want. Take what you want. That's what you're good at :yes: I will not be significantly affected either way.
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i get bored of this pretty quickly , i dont want to flame anyone but if you have nothing positive to say then dont post ....
zathras may or may not contain your work this i can not say as nothing is signed or copyrighted within but i do know that zathras contains work that has been fixed , ie missed named lods, textures etc and other small corrections , so if it does contain your stuff then you should be glad that it has been repaired. Zathras has also made multiplayer a lot more playable , fewer drops , crashes etc , and it is the ppl who invested in the zathras project that are keeping this alive...;
IP please TBP is the work of many ppl who gave there time etc , just because you have finished what you wished to do with it dont keep resurecting bad feelings , if you want to be constructive do so if not (with the greatest respect for what you and the TBP team did ) STFU!
;7
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Well I dealt with "TBP must be fixed to work with multiplayer" last time. My comments are in the archives. They will stay there as a testimony to how futile it is talking to a room of people when the guys in front of you are humming with fingers in their ears and the two guys behind your back are both sharpening knives. As for offending you. Gee I'm sorry dude. I'd suggest you don't read this thread anymore. I mean nobody's actually forcing you. Maybe just read another thread. Rather than trying to stifle free speech by randomly telling people you disagree with to STFU?
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Anyone?
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Indeed. All the important subjects in this thread have been talked about. The character will be removed.
So far, nothing has gone out of hand. I am leaving the thread open in the hope that it stays that way.
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These two Guys behind you, are more loyal to you, than you believe. All they do, they do only via the Zathras-Mod. They do not modify the Core-Files.
Does this play no role for you?
I was new on this forum, when you quit (or had to quit), so must say that I haven't read everything. So what's are your good reasons, to fix nothing? All I read this time was "We (I?) decited that it is finished" and that is no good reason. Thats only a reason why you do nothing more (and thats okay). So did the people realy had their fingers in the ears?
I dont know, so I have to ask.
And what happend to "This is from the Fans for the Fans"?
I know you have been the workhorse of TBP, you did the most work. In my eyes, you are not Satan. I do not forget, that without you, there would be no TBP. I thank you for that. I wish more people would do that. But this can not mean, that I want no more work, because you want no more work.
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These two Guys behind you, are more loyal to you, than you believe. All they do, they do only via the Zathras-Mod. They do not modify the Core-Files.
The Zatharas files are copes of the core files. When one of my models appears in Zatharas that's still my geometry, my uvmapping, my pof editting, my table entry, etc... Taken without permission. Whether you choose to treat this as wrong, or dishonourable, or theft, is down to your own personal opinion and you're entitled to it.
I've seen many excuses as to why this behaviour is fine. It's to be expected really. This is the TBP forum. Full of hardcore fans. I can't blame the hardcore fans here for wanting to see development continue, even if that's not what the team wanted or in the best interests of the product. Afterall hardcore fans are less bothered about complicated forced updates, new bugs etc...
I was new on this forum, when you quit (or had to quit), so must say that I haven't read everything. So what's are your good reasons, to fix nothing?
Well my arguments are archived here for all to see. If you're interested go have a look.
And what happend to "This is from the Fans for the Fans"?
As a fan, the fans have always been my priority. Again. my arguments are archived here. I think they make sense. All you'll see from the other side are vague comments like "it must be done" or "it must be fixed". They won't actually give details. Reason being - there weren't any.
The truth is - Zatharas wasn't in the best interests of fans. At least not the *majority* of casual fans I represented who just wanted a working polished game. It was for lazy developers who couldn't be bothered to maintain backward compatibility, and it was for a few power crazed types who wanted to revive a completed mod and steal the work. You'll notice Zatharas is now an "official download". Originally it was supposed to be a "fan development". Funny how it's now been quietly promoted huh?
By the way I'm just replying to your post out of politeness. I'm not under any misconception that anyone here actually cares what I'm saying or what I think.
Peace and love. :D
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At least not the *majority* of casual fans I represented who just wanted a working polished game. It was for lazy developers who couldn't be bothered to maintain backward compatibility,
Original TBP wasn't working or polished.
It had problems in it. They weren't your fault - the problems were not necessarily detected by the engine during TBP development - but they were nonetheless problems, and would have been problems even on the retail FreeSpace engine. They were problems certainly not present with Volition assets. The fact that you didn't and couldn't know they were broken doesn't make them any less broken.
(This is why the backwards compatibility argument is wrong. FSOpen has been fully backwards compatible all the way back to retail, so long as the assets it uses are made properly. It remains so. The changes between 3.6.9 and 3.6.10 simply allowed the engine to scream about errors that it would otherwise have choked on. These errors were not present in retail data.)
You started out from a good, defensible position, but your moral high ground vanished when you decided to burn the entire mod rather than allow the errors to be fixed.
It wasn't done, it wasn't finished, it wasn't polished. It is now - or at least it's closer. Absolutely free, pro bono, your work made better with no effort on your part and nothing removed or reinterpreted.
And there have been no signs of the problems you were worried about: no complicated forced updates, no crippling new bugs, nothing.
Your fears haven't come to pass. You can rest easy, and you can drop the 'thief' act. Your own wishes were for public development.
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General Snyder is MIA????
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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The Zatharas files are copes of the core files. When one of my models appears in Zatharas that's still my geometry, my uvmapping, my pof editting, my table entry, etc... Taken without permission. Whether you choose to treat this as wrong, or dishonourable, or theft, is down to your own personal opinion and you're entitled to it.
Makes one wonder why you chose to create a mod for FSO if being really easily moddable and having an open source game engine are really such horrifying things in your opinion. Why use such an easily moddable game? A game for which the average user can fidn tons of modding articles, tools and other instructions. Why rely on an open source game engine that is used by half-dozen other games? Why not just create your very own game and encrypt all the files so that modifying them afterwards would be painfully difficult at best. None of this would have happened and you could sit around somewhere, egoing over the fact that no one can access your models and textures and data tables.
As a fan, the fans have always been my priority.
I see.
I hereby withdraw my work on The Babylon Project from all versions. Past, present, future, team developed, fan developed. This is a complete withdrawl of permission. As such I expect downloads to be deleted from Hard Light Productions and other sites.
I can't see how this comment would bode well for any fan. Slightly before this whole thing started, I was actually thinking of grabbing the latest version of TBP and playing it again (because I remembered it being cool), but then your statement discouraged me from doing so.
Zatharas wasn't in the best interests of fans. At least not the *majority* of casual fans I represented who just wanted a working polished game. It was for lazy developers who couldn't be bothered to maintain backward compatibility, and it was for a few power crazed types who wanted to revive a completed mod and steal the work.
It could be assumed that the TBP team knew the fact that FSO is an open source engine. It evolves. It doesn't just rot around in a corner. If it can be improved and be made to work better on new hardware, it is done. And this wasn't about backward compatibility. TBP had downright flaws in its models, tables and whatnot. I still can't understand how fixing those issues and making sure that fans can continue to play TBP, particularly multiplayer, with minimal errors could be as sick, twisted and evil as serial raping, as you seem to imply. No one was going to start redoing the entire core TBP; some people just wanted to fix errors in it.
And what if someone outside of HLP decided to do their own modding and release their contents out in the open? Would you hunt them down and demand them to undo what they have done?
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...Zatharas...Zatharas...As a fan...Zatharas...Zatharas
Some fan, can't even spell 'Zathras' :P
Also, it's the official Zathras, doesn't mean it's officially endorsed by TBP, but it can't hurt to mention it on the website.
And, I love how you still haven't wrapped your head around the difference between the SCP breaking the way a feature works and thereby breaking backwards compatibility, and adding debugging to the engine to report issues that were always present but not previously reported by the engine. Or, when a feature _had_ to change because the implementation itself was buggy, precluding the possibility of any sort of backwards compatibility. I'll drink to that one.
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I've seen many excuses as to why this behaviour is fine. It's to be expected really. This is the TBP forum. Full of hardcore fans. I can't blame the hardcore fans here for wanting to see development continue, even if that's not what the team wanted or in the best interests of the product. Afterall hardcore fans are less bothered about complicated forced updates, new bugs etc...
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As a fan, the fans have always been my priority. Again. my arguments are archived here. I think they make sense. All you'll see from the other side are vague comments like "it must be done" or "it must be fixed". They won't actually give details. Reason being - there weren't any.
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But one example: The Truster-Problem of the Mindwinter is easy to fix. 2 Minutes Work, if you know what is to do. 5 Minutes if you want to test the fix.
It is a minor Bug. But there have been many bugs like this. There have been other Bugs, that i self would be able to fix, in my first modding days. Without new bugs. Everything easy to fix, if you know what you have to fix. And no, I don't see me as a Superdeveloper or something.
Another Thing. You said it is completed. I never understand how a mod can be completed, when there is a race, that is haveing a own supportship but not one fighter.
In my opinion a Mod in this Universe can not be completed. It is to cosmopolitic.
In order to ask once hypothetically. What if anyone had moddelt new ships. A complete Abbai Pack for example. Wouldn't you want to integrate it? (Lets do so, as if you are still the Project Leader)
By the way I'm just replying to your post out of politeness. I'm not under any misconception that anyone here actually cares what I'm saying or what I think.
No one would answer you, if nobody thaks care of that what you think. But you get answers. :)
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Enough of this. Topic locked.