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Title: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on February 09, 2009, 06:26:52 am
Isn't it cool when games can still throw up the odd surprise, even after years and countless play throughs. Like Halo, I always pick-up on Marine & Covenant random dialogue I could swear I'd not heard before.

It's Deus Ex that inspired this thread, though. I usually play either as a total pasacifist or a total lunatic who kills everything he sees. Hostages especially.
So, I executed the liberty island terrorist leader and in comes the UNATCO trooper. I decided I should have his assault rifle which he's pleased to hand over after a spot of "blue on blue". No witness' and no mention of it so I've got away with it. Untill the Manderley debrief, where JC is told there will be an investigation!

Especially funny is JC basically lying, suggesting friendly fire!
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: redsniper on February 09, 2009, 12:20:58 pm
I'm still finding new controls in FS...
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: General Battuta on February 09, 2009, 12:39:43 pm
I'd second Halo.

System Shock 2 as well.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 09, 2009, 01:09:05 pm
Yeah, Deus Ex is the king. Awesome game, awesome concept. A decade ahead of it's time and to my surprise, still not the standart for shooters. No, we still play the super-linear ones. Imagine a Call of Duty 4 with nolinear elements  :eek2:

Republic Commando is always surprising me, like Halo, there are so many lines for your fellow soliders, you will always hear some new ones.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Mefustae on February 10, 2009, 02:33:17 am
Republic Commando is always surprising me, like Halo, there are so many lines for your fellow soliders, you will always hear some new ones.
Easily my all-time favorite game. I was devastated when I lost my CDs. :(
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 10, 2009, 02:50:49 am
still playing this (singleplayer-) game in regular intervalls, although multiplayer sucks.
Why don't you rebuy it, it's cheap and certainly worth it.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Rodo on February 10, 2009, 05:38:24 am
hell yeah deux ex!, I hate to have lost that cd, I loved the hell's kitchen part :D
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: lostllama on February 10, 2009, 02:31:13 pm
I keep thinking about coming back to Deus Ex, there's a couple of (IMO) impressive mods out there too that I haven't finished yet (Redsun 2020 and Deus Ex Zodiac - no speech in those though).

Heh, I would screw around and throw stuff at Manderley's head. I'm gonna try stacking up some soda cans on it.

Oh, and maybe I should let Anna live this time.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on February 10, 2009, 02:37:40 pm
You have to kill Anna, though not necessarily at the subway station. Let her kill you to trigger something a little different.

I'm trying to find away past the 2nd trip to Hell's kitchen, when Paul's killswitch has been activated, without betraying UNATCO. Thought I had done it when I went back to him without sending the distress signal and triggered a significant conversation (cut scene style, talking about going seperate ways etc) but then it went nowhere and seemed to revert back with Paul asking me to send the signal....?
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: lostllama on February 10, 2009, 03:20:29 pm
You have to kill Anna, though not necessarily at the subway station. Let her kill you to trigger something a little different.

I did it in the 747.

I've managed to keep Paul alive several times but I'm not sure what triggers that. I once managed to clear the hallway of troops and he'd walk out there with me and say something about Jock picking him up in Battery Park (or something like that), but the lobby was saturated with troops. The prison cell bit that follows is awesome and it was scary for the first few moments (I think it was the music and that "where the heck am I?" feeling). Definitely one of the best bits in any game I've played.

Watching combat between your troops and NSF guys can sometimes be quite funny.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Titan on February 10, 2009, 03:31:18 pm
SSBB is still fun.

The way I play games is i'll be obsessed for like a month, then i'll play something else, then pick it up again about a year later.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: lostllama on February 10, 2009, 03:37:19 pm
I have a similar gaming habit. It's the same with novels and books, sometimes I'll be reading a couple and leave them for a while and come back to them months or over a year later.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on February 10, 2009, 03:58:05 pm
You have to kill Anna, though not necessarily at the subway station. Let her kill you to trigger something a little different.

I did it in the 747.

I've managed to keep Paul alive several times but I'm not sure what triggers that. I once managed to clear the hallway of troops and he'd walk out there with me and say something about Jock picking him up in Battery Park (or something like that), but the lobby was saturated with troops. The prison cell bit that follows is awesome and it was scary for the first few moments (I think it was the music and that "where the heck am I?" feeling). Definitely one of the best bits in any game I've played.

Watching combat between your troops and NSF guys can sometimes be quite funny.

IIRC wether paul lives or dies depends if you exit via the window or through the front door of the 'ton ie; either abandon or help him.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: DaBrain on February 10, 2009, 04:01:19 pm
Final Fantasy VI (III US).

After playing FF VIII, I started playing VI on my SNES emulator. I wasn't expecting such a deep, long and complex game. No rendered FMVs, no 3d anywhere, just some pixels that are supposed to be the characters.

Still, it might be the best Final Fantasy EVER. At least on par with VII imho.
The character design/development is awesome and there are so many characters.

And the best, I thought I was fighting the final boss, and I (somewhat) lost the battle, the world ends and I noticed that I just completed the first half of the game. Wow!



Same applies to Chrono Trigger (which I'll buy again for my DS in a few days).
Time travel rocks!



It's kinda sad there are almost no games today, that have an equally deep storyline.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: General Battuta on February 10, 2009, 06:00:10 pm
Holy crap, I found a great example of this! Go to YouTube and check out 'Halo 3 Mythbusters'.

That is a pretty darn comprehensive physics engine.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: CP5670 on February 10, 2009, 06:35:19 pm
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Isn't it cool when games can still throw up the odd surprise, even after years and countless play throughs. Like Halo, I always pick-up on Marine & Covenant random dialogue I could swear I'd not heard before.

It's Deus Ex that inspired this thread, though. I usually play either as a total pasacifist or a total lunatic who kills everything he sees. Hostages especially.

Yes, Deus Ex is the classic example of an FPS like this.

My impression is that Fallout 3 seems to be another such game. I am currently playing it and there is a lot of nonlinearity and scope for doing things differently. The only problem is that I no longer have time to fully explore everything in a game, like I used to when Deus Ex came out. :(

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You have to kill Anna, though not necessarily at the subway station. Let her kill you to trigger something a little different.

It's actually possible to leave her alive, although you have to take advantage of a glitch. I don't think the game takes the possibility into account.

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I keep thinking about coming back to Deus Ex, there's a couple of (IMO) impressive mods out there too that I haven't finished yet (Redsun 2020 and Deus Ex Zodiac - no speech in those though).

Heh, I would screw around and throw stuff at Manderley's head. I'm gonna try stacking up some soda cans on it.

I got very close to the end of Zodiac, but got stuck near the end and never finished it. The levels in that campaign are massive and feel quite open ended, even more so than the original Deus Ex ones.

I played through Deus Ex around 10 times several years ago, but I must have spent even more time just screwing around in it. I still have the 20 or so savegames I made of various ridiculous situations. :D
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Al Tarket on February 10, 2009, 06:44:08 pm
the only one that come to mind is fs2 "dive dive dive, hit your burners pilot!" it still surprised me even by today.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: BloodEagle on February 10, 2009, 08:22:18 pm
the only one that come to mind is fs2 "dive dive dive, hit your burners pilot!" it still surprised me even by today.

I was wearing headphones the first time I went through that mission.

You can still see the dent that my head made in the ceiling.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: karajorma on February 11, 2009, 05:59:17 am
Isn't it cool when games can still throw up the odd surprise, even after years and countless play throughs. Like Halo, I always pick-up on Marine & Covenant random dialogue I could swear I'd not heard before.

I suppose I should point out that as a result of some SCP changes I made a couple of years ago some of the previously unused FS2 dialogue is now used.

Funnily enough no one has mentioned this leading me to believe that either everyone is either really unobservant or that they really believe that they've heard it before. :D
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 11, 2009, 06:29:08 am
show me where!  :)

Another game, Riddick. I just need to replay the tutorial level, the awesome Prison Break Music kicks in and I am surprised how awesome it is. Still. After all these replays. Still awesome! Satisfying is the best word for it.
Can't wait for that sequel. Same holds true for the opening levels of Half-Life 2 and Nexus: Jupiter Incident. I can play these games on and on and on. One last example: Lugaru. Play it. Worship David Rosen. Brilliant guy.


IIRC wether paul lives or dies depends if you exit via the window or through the front door of the 'ton ie; either abandon or help him.

that may help you a bit:
http://www.visualwalkthroughs.com/deusex/deusex.htm
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: BloodEagle on February 11, 2009, 07:06:39 am
FreeSpace 2.  On the mission where you escort the Iceni, I encountered a very amusing bug.  It was time for the ships to jump out, but for some reason a ship decided to change its path to be in front of the Iceni, and aiming due right of it. I happened to be flying along side it.

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^
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Needless to say, the Iceni jumped out first, and I went flying multiple kilometers in a matter of seconds. The other ship decided that it had to reach its original destination before jumping out (would have taken ages), so I was forced to put it down.  :P
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: karajorma on February 12, 2009, 04:00:59 pm
show me where!  :)

Compare what happens if you shoot your wingmen in retail and SCP. :)
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 14, 2009, 09:20:02 am
Surprise of the month: The new God of War 3 trailer. HOLY ****! :eek2:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45513.html

I was so disapointed with the first trailer but now (this new one is the full version of the old)...       ...this is going to be the game of the current generation.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: TrashMan on February 14, 2009, 09:55:27 am
Baldures Gate 2...
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: General Battuta on February 14, 2009, 10:27:45 am
Baldures Gate 2...

QFT. That game was deep and fantastic. No RPG since made can match it.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 14, 2009, 10:48:16 am
Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far, tends to surprise me in unpleasant ways each playthrough, teaching me over and over that the computer is not stupid and it will not hesitate to crush you.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on February 14, 2009, 02:42:51 pm
Ah damn it! I'd always assumed Navara was invilnerable on the 747 but after she killed whatsisface a GEP gun round cut her down to size. Well, lots of little sizes actually. It occured to me I might be able to save him but I did a quicksave before trying and haven't any earlier saves. So to try the resuce I have to start from scratch (again)  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: BloodEagle on February 14, 2009, 02:46:25 pm
A full clip from an assualt rifle (on easy) usually finishes her off.

Try tossing an EMP grenade in the corner. She should run for the exit, allowing you to take her out without any risk to the hostage.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 14, 2009, 04:04:47 pm
Baldurs Gate 2...

yeah. I still wish sb (Bioware themselves) would make a full Trilogy Remake, updating the weak BG1. Yeah, I know of the BGtutu, the NPC banter pack and so on but BG1 still remains weak, especially regarding your choices or the lack of.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: karajorma on February 14, 2009, 04:13:21 pm
Much as I'm impressed with the amount of character choices and how you can play the game multiple times with each playthrough being different, what surprised me the most about BG II is that the designer who thought it would be good game design to constantly railroad the player wasn't simply booted out of the door after the 3rd time he suggested "Let's have an enemy turn up, say something and then kidnap a member of the player's party before he can do anything"
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: TrashMan on February 14, 2009, 05:49:08 pm
yeah. I still wish sb (Bioware themselves) would make a full Trilogy Remake, updating the weak BG1. Yeah, I know of the BGtutu, the NPC banter pack and so on but BG1 still remains weak, especially regarding your choices or the lack of.

THIS:
http://dragonage.bioware.com/origins/

And there's a sweet new trailer on gamespot...


Much as I'm impressed with the amount of character choices and how you can play the game multiple times with each playthrough being different, what surprised me the most about BG II is that the designer who thought it would be good game design to constantly railroad the player wasn't simply booted out of the door after the 3rd time he suggested "Let's have an enemy turn up, say something and then kidnap a member of the player's party before he can do anything"

Unfortunately, when you have a story-driven game, some things simply HAVE to happen.
F'course, they could have written a different plot, but who knows how that would have turned out..
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 15, 2009, 07:29:20 am
I own all Bioware Games, so I know of DragonAge too of course. Has the BG spirit, but is not BG.
And the party is smaller  :sigh:
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Mika on February 15, 2009, 07:46:11 am
For me there is one: Falcon 4 Allied Force.

I don't really get it how much they have managed to stuff in there. Having played it for three years it still feels like you have experienced only about 30 % of it.

Yes it has it's bad moments, but in overall it is still unsurpassed with the most complex dynamic campaign and flying model I have seen.

Mika
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: lostllama on February 15, 2009, 08:33:16 am
For me there is one: Falcon 4 Allied Force.

I don't really get it how much they have managed to stuff in there. Having played it for three years it still feels like you have experienced only about 30 % of it.

Yes it has it's bad moments, but in overall it is still unsurpassed with the most complex dynamic campaign and flying model I have seen.

Mika

You might be interested in this (http://www.eechcentral.com/), if you already own Razorwork's Enemy Engaged series (Apache Havoc and Comanche Hokum). In the latest release you get to fly the Mi24V with pilot's cockpit. You need to check if your graphics card will be able to run it as it has issues with newer cards. I've been playing EECH on and off for years but I never get very far.

I've dwelt on purchasing Allied Force, I saw it going for cheap in a local games shop recently. But I doubt I have the time available to sink the hours of practice needed into it to start really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: MP-Ryan on February 15, 2009, 11:43:39 am
I've played through DX on its most difficult level (which honestly isn't that difficult) probably a dozen times and I *think* I've now found just about every little secret in terms of plot/dialogue that the game has tucked away.

I never bother with Anna's killswitch - it's much more satisfying to blow her to pieces and save Lebedev.  A 20mm rifle grenade does the trick nicely.  That said, it is possible to go through the game without killing either of them (Navarre kills Lebedev, and you simply sprint past Navarre every time she shows up).

What always annoyed me was that if you go the back way into Castle Clinton and zap everyone with your stun gun but exit through the front to Navarre, it still counts as a bloodbath to Carter.  Frustrating as hell.

Oh, if you haven't before, stun a MiB sometime - it is possible to knock them out and loot their inventories.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Rick James on February 15, 2009, 01:17:02 pm
Recently found the self-destruct toggle in Mechwarrior 3. The hard way.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: CP5670 on February 15, 2009, 01:17:44 pm
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A full clip from an assualt rifle (on easy) usually finishes her off.

Try tossing an EMP grenade in the corner. She should run for the exit, allowing you to take her out without any risk to the hostage.

You can mount a LAM on the side of the bed facing her, before talking to Lebedev. That vaporizes her instantly when she enters the room, but the explosion cannot pass through level geometry, so it doesn't hurt Lebedev or you at all. :D

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I've played through DX on its most difficult level (which honestly isn't that difficult) probably a dozen times and I *think* I've now found just about every little secret in terms of plot/dialogue that the game has tucked away.

I never bother with Anna's killswitch - it's much more satisfying to blow her to pieces and save Lebedev.  A 20mm rifle grenade does the trick nicely.  That said, it is possible to go through the game without killing either of them (Navarre kills Lebedev, and you simply sprint past Navarre every time she shows up).

You must have found something that I passed over then. As far as I know, the first 20mm pack you find is in the MJ12 guard post in Maggie Chow's house, which comes well after that part.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on February 15, 2009, 02:15:33 pm
Not to mention she has the only nano key to exit UNATCO after the MJ12 breakout ? I tried to get her with the riot prod but she seemed invulnerable to it.

Saved Lebedev. Be interesting to see if/where he turns up. Presumeably either Simons will do him in or he'll end up at Tong's gaffe.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Molybdenum on February 15, 2009, 03:22:17 pm
Dwarf Fortress constantly surprises me with its level of detail.

Recently a child in my 80 strong Fortress became possessed and couldn't find the materials to build his artifact for nearly a season. He kept whispering about needing leather although the place was flooded with the stuff. I looked at the kids description and noticed that he likes cats. Ironically it meant he that needed cat leather for his items. Hoping to save the childs mind from being fried by an angry spirit I ordered a fresh litter of kittens to be slaughtered before they can hijack a dwarf as an owner(they choose their own keepers and cannot be butcherer once they do).

I managed to give him the stuff just in the nick of time before he would inevitably go insane. The resulting artifact was awesome however. It was an amulet decorated with shell and leather with images of one of my champions striking down a goblin. When i checked their names it turned out that it was a goblin snatcher that nearly got away with the child I mentioned earlier.



And for me Deus Ex would never be the same(not hilarious) after i discovered the anti walkthrough. http://www.it-he.org/
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Mika on February 15, 2009, 05:01:25 pm
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You might be interested in this, if you already own Razorwork's Enemy Engaged series (Apache Havoc and Comanche Hokum). In the latest release you get to fly the Mi24V with pilot's cockpit. You need to check if your graphics card will be able to run it as it has issues with newer cards. I've been playing EECH on and off for years but I never get very far.

I've dwelt on purchasing Allied Force, I saw it going for cheap in a local games shop recently. But I doubt I have the time available to sink the hours of practice needed into it to start really enjoying it.

I'm not that much on helicopter sims, Apache Longbow was the last one I played. I haven't played any of Enemy Engaged series.

Just a sidenote, multiplaying Falcon AF also opens a new world. We tried our first campaign mission today, and man the first hours of the war were insanely chaotic, going up and bombing something resulted in a total clusterf**k. There is no substitute for that "What the **** is going on around here?!?!" -feeling, Falcon 4 is the only sim which can continously reproduce that kind of immersion.

Imagine getting bombarded with radiomessages coming from all computer controlled friendly aircraft (about 100 in air, all assigned to do different stuff), but in addition now your human wingmen blabber on top of that with TeamSpeak. Your radar warning receiver shows enemy air and ground radars active on the whole frontal hemisphere. Your own radar picks up tens of contacts in front of you, some of them friendly, most of them not, missile release cues and cries of help being yelled to radio all the time. SAM smoketrails are piercing cloud cover, representing totally apocalyptic scenery from a far, like there would be a huge white tentacled moster sitting on the ground, trying to catch airplanes! And it was AWESOME!

In the end, it was a mission failed for the whole package, but man it was fun! As a wingleader I managed to down 4 before that telephonepole sized SA-2 finally got me. If you ever get Allied Force, feel free to contact me about it any time. It does take about 2 months of training to start single player campaign, multiplayer would be good to start after several single player campaigns completed. Playing through a single campaign takes about 2 weeks of 2-3 hour flying / day, depending on how often you want to fly yourself.

Mika
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: General Battuta on February 15, 2009, 05:24:41 pm
I do have AF. I've dabbled with it.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 15, 2009, 05:49:38 pm
Battlecruiser Millenium.

There's a huge universe to explore, fight, always something new to do or in some new way. (I've more-or-less mastered air-raiding a planetary base at this point, I fear.)

But more than that, there's always something new to glitch, and this is at least half the fun. The only other game that I own that even comes close to being as fun to screw around with and try to play wrong is Outpost, and BC:M is vastly better for this sort of thing. I could write a hundred pages on how to reproduce and benefit from BC:M's bugs if I wanted to, but I don't. About the only thing that still eludes me is getting the game to fire pulsed laser beams out of the monitor.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 16, 2009, 08:24:47 am
thats not a game, that's a lame  :)  no wonder it's free now. This game as the worst controls I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on February 16, 2009, 03:48:05 pm
....And for me Deus Ex would never be the same(not hilarious) after i discovered the anti walkthrough. http://www.it-he.org/

oh god I forgot all about that stuff.  :lol:
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: TrashMan on February 16, 2009, 04:57:34 pm
Battlecruiser Millenium.

There's a huge universe to explore, fight, always something new to do or in some new way. (I've more-or-less mastered air-raiding a planetary base at this point, I fear.)

But more than that, there's always something new to glitch, and this is at least half the fun. The only other game that I own that even comes close to being as fun to screw around with and try to play wrong is Outpost, and BC:M is vastly better for this sort of thing. I could write a hundred pages on how to reproduce and benefit from BC:M's bugs if I wanted to, but I don't. About the only thing that still eludes me is getting the game to fire pulsed laser beams out of the monitor.

Wait, Derek Smart's game?
He actually made something that's playable?

Isn't he this forums public enemy n01?
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: WeatherOp on February 16, 2009, 11:25:54 pm
Baldures Gate 2...

Had the most sinister, evil, saddening villain ever in John Irenicus. He was really the guy who proved that bad guys are not always dumb idiots with a lot of power. Him and Jack of Blades from Fable are likely my two top bad guys.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Mongoose on February 17, 2009, 11:29:51 pm
I'm currently being surprised by the ever-increasing fact that I'm getting completely sucked into a game of the RPG sort, a genre that I've generally avoided like the plague for most of my life.  Said RPG would be the DS port of Chrono Trigger.  Very fun stuff.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: lostllama on February 18, 2009, 08:06:03 am
If you ever get Allied Force, feel free to contact me about it any time.

Thanks. I'm torn between playing FSO, LOMAC and Flight Simulator X at the moment. LOMAC has enough key commands for me. I assume AF has loads more, but you've got me interested anyway.

I've never played anything on multiplayer before. Sounds like I'm missing out on some fun.

And for me Deus Ex would never be the same(not hilarious) after i discovered the anti walkthrough. http://www.it-he.org/

I need to try that some time.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Hades on February 18, 2009, 07:42:09 pm
KotOR I & II. Even after playing them once, going through them again, I find new things.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on February 19, 2009, 03:52:43 am
Hades, then take a look at BGII.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: TrashMan on February 20, 2009, 01:45:04 pm
Hades, then take a look at BGII.

I passed the game 14 times.
And I hear DA will have a even greater replay value..
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 20, 2009, 02:48:28 pm
Harpoon Classic, partly because of the randomizer, and partly because, again, the computer is not stupid and will not hesitate to remind you of this. I've played the "Fortress Keflvik" scenario from the original GIUK battleset many times, it's one of my favorites (something about coordinated airstrikes by 20+ P3s amuses me), but I still can't reliably save the poor Fife from that Victor 3.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: General Battuta on February 20, 2009, 02:55:41 pm
Harpoon Classic, partly because of the randomizer, and partly because, again, the computer is not stupid and will not hesitate to remind you of this. I've played the "Fortress Keflvik" scenario from the original GIUK battleset many times, it's one of my favorites (something about coordinated airstrikes by 20+ P3s amuses me), but I still can't reliably save the poor Fife from that Victor 3.

I love Harpoon Classic.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 01, 2009, 01:57:58 am
I found a new bit of dialogue the last time I played FreeSpace 2. It was Command harping on about how many fighters lost to the NTCv Danton.

Shortly after, I confirmed the final secret of Tyrian 2000: that there is a one in six chance that, every time you complete Episode 5, you ship will be turned into a carrot and have all guns replaced with banana guns.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Roanoke on March 01, 2009, 05:36:24 am
Hey I discovered how to save Jock from the bomb planted by the "odd mechanic"  :)
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Stormkeeper on March 01, 2009, 09:37:54 am
Total Anhillation. Because it runs on Vista without fuss, but kicks up a major fuss on my old XP. :p

No, seriously, I found a big bunch of mods for it. Not to mention new units.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: redsniper on March 01, 2009, 12:47:02 pm
Hey I discovered how to save Jock from the bomb planted by the "odd mechanic"  :)
What?! How!?
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Mobius on March 01, 2009, 12:56:14 pm
Total Anhillation. Because it runs on Vista without fuss, but kicks up a major fuss on my old XP. :p

No, seriously, I found a big bunch of mods for it. Not to mention new units.

Are you refering to the whole TA series? I'm a die hard fan of Total Annihilation: Kingdoms and I'm desperately looking for mods. I had so many of them but the fact that all of the three computers I've been playing TA:K died more than once in the past 5-6 years removed all mods.

The last time I looked for mods, a few months ago, I couldn't find any of them. Can you point me out to a good site?
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on March 01, 2009, 01:23:38 pm
I passed the game 14 times.

my God (which is the FSM of course), who old are you know? 128?
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: BloodEagle on March 01, 2009, 02:15:36 pm
Hey I discovered how to save Jock from the bomb planted by the "odd mechanic"  :)
What?! How!?

Spoiler:
knock-out (DON'T KILL) the mechanic, then talk to the Illuminati guy.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: lostllama on March 01, 2009, 02:38:03 pm
Oh no :sigh: Now I need to find out what happens when I don't save Jock.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Vidmaster on March 02, 2009, 04:25:24 am
you can just talk to him, then talk to Everett and then kick his butt whatever way you please. No need for knock-out. Not saving Jock doesn't change anything dramatically. It just makes boom on the last level.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Stormkeeper on March 02, 2009, 04:59:38 am
Total Anhillation. Because it runs on Vista without fuss, but kicks up a major fuss on my old XP. :p

No, seriously, I found a big bunch of mods for it. Not to mention new units.

Are you refering to the whole TA series? I'm a die hard fan of Total Annihilation: Kingdoms and I'm desperately looking for mods. I had so many of them but the fact that all of the three computers I've been playing TA:K died more than once in the past 5-6 years removed all mods.

The last time I looked for mods, a few months ago, I couldn't find any of them. Can you point me out to a good site?

Sorry mate, only got TA. The major TA site is falling into disrepair, and their Kingdoms' section got suspended. But for regular TA stuff, Unit Universe (http://www.unituniverse.com/) works fine.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Dark Hunter on March 02, 2009, 10:37:21 am
On a little freeware shoot 'em up game called Eden's Edge, I recently discovered, after 1CCing the highest difficulty, that there is a hidden, even higher level of difficulty beyond that! And that mode has an extra final boss after the original that completely outclasses anything else in the game.

Time for more practicing, I guess. :D

That's the great thing about shmups: just when you manage to do the impossible, they throw an even harder challenge at you, forcing you beyond your limits yet again. Beating these games gives you a real sense of accomplishment: because they took that much time and were just that ****ed hard! :cool:
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: TrashMan on March 02, 2009, 11:53:56 am
I passed the game 14 times.

my God (which is the FSM of course), who old are you know? 128?


Not quite, but enough.
Title: Re: Games that still surprise
Post by: Mobius on March 02, 2009, 05:30:39 pm
Sorry mate, only got TA. The major TA site is falling into disrepair, and their Kingdoms' section got suspended. But for regular TA stuff, Unit Universe (http://www.unituniverse.com/) works fine.

Is it possible to DL TA from there?