Author Topic: Is FS2 dead? (Read 18623 times)

Stryke 9 · **Reply #100 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:10:59 pm

I think right now the hi-res textures and all that are gonna stay out, I figure if we just get the voices packed in there it'll be enough.

The cap she gave me initially was 250MB. The file's closer to 220- and most of that's movie- some 160MB for the three, according to the copy I kept here. The voice VP file is 169MB. If we compress the movies by about 80% (about what I get from MPEG-4 compression, though sound might affect that- in which case we can still shrink 'em down a bit by reducing the resolution somewhat), and put in stripped-down versions of the sound effects... hell, I'm no mathematician, but it'll be within a close shave of 250MB.

If you want, we can then offer an addon pack of all the nonessential stuff- the hires texes, animated techroom, and some toys that work with the SCP modifications but naturally don't get face time in the original campaign- which UD will probably be happy to link to, and which can be hosted relatively painlessly from here. Most of that stuff is optional- you don't lose any of the atmosphere of FreeSpace by not having it, even though it's nice. Same can't necessarily be said of the movies and voices (do you really want to deprive everyone of the experience of falling out of their seat in In the Lion's Den?), so I want to get those in.

Stunaep · **Reply #101 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:13:27 pm

AFAIK, the voice and music files in the *ahem* unorthodox FS2 version I first got (before I bought the legal one), were MP3'd, making a 30 kb voice file about 4 kb in size. Idea, no?

Stryke 9 · **Reply #102 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:14:51 pm

A lot of stuff to compress (hundreds of sounds as opposed to eight movies), but if anyone can do batch compression that'd be very cool.

or if you still have your VP from that one.

Stunaep · **Reply #103 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:26:11 pm

I think I have that compressor that came with the package around here somewhere. A little DOS utility. Want it?

Stryke 9 · **Reply #104 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:30:10 pm

Er... sure. It do batching, or do I have to do 'em all individually?

Stunaep · **Reply #105 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:38:47 pm

'course batching.

Stryke 9 · **Reply #106 on:** June 03, 2003, 11:41:59 pm

Aight then. [email protected] .

Tiara · **Reply #107 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:30:59 am

In the HOTU version there are movies as well. The end scenes. and they are still in .mve format. I think that could prove that they are legal.

(Forgive me if this point has been brought up before)

Nico · **Reply #108 on:** June 04, 2003, 02:13:44 am

"forgives Tiara"

Sesquipedalian · **Reply #109 on:** June 04, 2003, 02:53:10 am

Alright, so Peanuts and Stryke have the sound issue in hand. Has anyone converted the MVEs to AVI? I hear there is some interesting software about that some people have...

Tiara · **Reply #110 on:** June 04, 2003, 03:01:16 am

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Originally posted by Venom
"forgives Tiara"

Weakling

Stryke 9 · **Reply #111 on:** June 04, 2003, 09:10:27 am

Ses: CAMstudio does fine, you just need to be able to cut the opening loading bit off. I was gonna do that, but if anyone else wants to handle it, it's freeware and pretty simple to use.

Tiara: Depends how generously you take the law. Some 85% of the copyrights on games HOTU has for free are still valid, so they're all technically illegal. However, generally either the company doesn't care or they're in no position to complain about anything, being defunct, or else they send off a letter to UD and she takes it down.

Stealth · **Reply #112 on:** June 04, 2003, 10:09:11 am

yeah. if you wanted to have an "addon" pack, i'd be willing to host it for you, the lower the filesize the better.

i can do the movies if you want

Nico · **Reply #113 on:** June 04, 2003, 10:20:15 am

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Originally posted by Tiara

Weakling

ah lala...
as they say:
"feed the dog, it will crap"

Sandwich · **Reply #114 on:** June 04, 2003, 10:23:34 am

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Originally posted by Shrike
I thought there was legal problems not with the game itself, but with the cutscenes. Something to do with the mve player I believe. Putting them into a better format would make more sense anyhow, they take up a lot of disc space.

Does anyone know the exact legality of releasing FS? Can we legally put up the entire three CDs for download, or can we only spread parts? I can't condone illegally putting it up for download, because of my position.

Have you forgotten the clause in the Liscence Agreement about being (and I'm writing this from memory) "free to make copies of the SOFTWARE for friends and aquaintances on a no-profit, non-commercial basis"? I'm trying to verify this with DaveB ATM, but I don't think anyone can sue us for providing "internal" links (ones that can only be handed out to "friends and aquaintances" (read: forumites). And if Inteplay goes ballistic and wants to go after us, we show them the clause, say "this is why we did this", and take the files down if they insist. But if we keep the links non-publicized, I doubt they'd be discovered for by Interplay a very long time.

So yes, it's legal until proven otherwise/revoked.

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Originally posted by Stealth
i'll educate you right now

the first thing you can start by doing is putting some "Keywords" in the main page of HLP, the forums main page, etc.

If you look at other big sites (i.e. Volitionwatch, Interplay, and even massive sites, such as Yahoo, MSN, Ebay, Gamespy, etc.) you'll notice (view the source) at the top of (most) of their pages they have the TITLE, BODY, HEAD, etc. and META tags, ... one META function is the "KEYWORD" tag, another, the "DESCRIPTION" tag. Here's how they work.

Ex:

{META TYPE="KEYWORD" CONTENT="HLP, HARD, LIGHT, FREESPACE, FREESPACE 2, MODDING, INTERPLAY, VOLITION"}
{META TYPE="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="HLP is the biggest Freespace Modding Community in the world, sporting over 20 user-made campaigns and hundreds of FS Mods"}

Remember, they're to be placed between the HEAD tags at the beginning of the HTML document.

I'm not sure exactly how they work... never got into the theory of them, but i'm pretty sure (it's my best guess) that search engine spiders, when they visit a site, take note of the META keyword and description tags, and when someone types in something in a search engine, it will bring up whatever closely matches those keywords.

See, has it ever happened to you when you search for something, and it comes up with the site URL, and beneath that it has like 25 words of sentences that come from random parts of the page? wouldn't it be nice to be able to designate your description instead of the search engine randomly finding it? that's what the description tag is for. keyword is what the engine looks for though.

Uhh... hate to break it to ya, but the META Keywords are not used anymore for search rankings - they haven't been for years nw, ever since they started to be abused. The description META tag, however, is sometimes what the search engine displays as a summary of a page in a list of search results.

And I'm not trying to brag, but I know quite a bit more about this stuff than you seem to think I do. Thanks for the helpful reply, anyway.

Stealth · **Reply #115 on:** June 04, 2003, 10:26:35 am

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Originally posted by Sandwich

Uhh... hate to break it to ya, but the META Keywords are not used anymore for search rankings - they haven't been for years nw, ever since they started to be abused. The description META tag, however, is sometimes what the search engine displays as a summary of a page in a list of search results.

And I'm not trying to brag, but I know quite a bit more about this stuff than you seem to think I do. Thanks for the helpful reply, anyway.

really? wow, never knew that. i knew they were abused, but i thought they still used them to an extent

i know, the "tutorial" wasn't directed primarily at you

but with all people (diamondgeezer, etc.) making webpages suddenly, i thought that'd help them

Stealth · **Reply #116 on:** June 04, 2003, 10:30:27 am

since we're talking about shortening or getting rid of some of the movies, thought this might help. now Shrike, don't get mad, cause this program looks legal in what it does and is intended to do. also, most of what we're discussing at the moment is not quite legal.

http://www.19.5degs.com/fmv12.php?source=195

This might be the best way to extract the actual movies, although other programs, like what Stryke mentioned, should be used to cut them down

diamondgeezer · **Reply #117 on:** June 04, 2003, 11:24:00 am

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Originally posted by Stealth
i know, the "tutorial" wasn't directed primarily at you but with all people (diamondgeezer, etc.) making webpages suddenly, i thought that'd help them

By website do mean www.geezersoft.co.uk?

[EDIT] You --> By (why the hell I put 'you' in the first place I have no idea...)

Sandwich · **Reply #118 on:** June 04, 2003, 12:59:40 pm

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Originally posted by diamondgeezer

You website do mean www.geezersoft.co.uk?

Oh, the pain....

Stryke 9 · **Reply #119 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:25:14 pm

Stealth: Been there, done that. Somehow, even the proper FS movie extractor didn't cut it. Which is where video screen capture comes in.

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