[SpardaSon21]

What's wrong with taunting you pathetic descendant of monkeys?

[Mongoose]

Man, I would have loved this option way back in the day when I still couldn't tell which ship class was which properly.

[Woolie Wool]

What's wrong with taunting you pathetic descendant of monkeys?

We should feast upon his offspring and litter space with ape corpses.

Spoiler:

Those are taunts used by the Kilrathi in Wing Commander, in case you didn't get them.

[potterman28wxcv]

For the implementation, I think (attack the wing of my target) it could be a sort of derivation from the Attack Enemies. If "Attack the wing of my target" is ordered, then fighters would attack the ships in order that each ship would have the same number of attackers.

For "Protect the wing of my target", I don't know how it works, but I'm sure I already saw an order like that in one of the FSport or STR mission (when I was targetting an ally, his order was "protect alpha wing" for example).

For the command option... a touch sequence like "alt + 1" for attack the wing of my target would be too long to push. Imagine you want to give an order like that when you are dogfighting... 

But I think the best solution could be to integer a submenu. Example : push C (command orders appears), then 3 "All fighters", then 1 "Destroy...", then 1 ".. my target", or 2 ".. the wing of my target"

And, for the user who doesn't want to destroy the wing of his target : the difference between C 3 1 and C 3 1 1 isn't so great. 50 ms or 100 ms maybe ?


But the negative point would be to modify some dialogs of the training missions. Or modify the order "Push C, 3, 1" by "Push C, 3, 1, 1"

[The E]

Yeah, no.

Seriously, altering the ingrained commands is NOT a good idea.
Players like me, who have sequences like c31, c38 or c35 memorized will scream bloody murder at such a change.

[General Battuta]

Yeah. I think something like c-3-alt1, maybe, but...not c-3-1-1.

[mjn.mixael]

yeah.. don't mess with commands we all know...

The shift-1 or alt-1 seems like a good option.

Also, maybe we should move this to the SCP board?

[Droid803]

do the - and = keys serve any purpose?
i could see c3- amd c3= being the next two commands

[Trivial Psychic]

Another way to do this, all be it something far less available for most users, is confine the advanced commands to voice-ONLY use.  That is, that the system which was set up (and I'm not sure if it is still enabled or if anyone is working on it or using it) to allow a player to give a voice command via microphone link to the computer, which would receive and interpret the command, and execute it.  Using that system (again, if it is functional) would bypass the need for change to the menu system.

[General Battuta]

Voice recognition crashes the game right now.

[Trivial Psychic]

Well, so much for that idea... for now.

[-Norbert-]

i could see c3- amd c3= being the next two commands

I don't know for english layout keyboards, but in the standard configuration of a german layout keyboard those two keys (ß and ´) are used for increasing/decreasing speed. Not the change while pushed (A/Z), but the permanent one.
Would the key left of the numbers work? That one isn't used on my keyboard (^ on german layout).

[FelixJim]

i could see c3- amd c3= being the next two commands

I don't know for english layout keyboards, but in the standard configuration of a german layout keyboard those two keys (ß and ´) are used for increasing/decreasing speed. Not the change while pushed (A/Z), but the permanent one.
Would the key left of the numbers work? That one isn't used on my keyboard (^ on german layout).

This does hold true for English keyboards. Each tap is an increase or decrease of 5% throttle.

[QuantumDelta]

While the comms screen is open it takes p residence over the keys it offers you for options, this is only obvious on multi though.

[-Norbert-]

Oh. I didn't know that. In that case I'm all for the keys to the right of the numbers.

[potterman28wxcv]

Yeah, no.

Seriously, altering the ingrained commands is NOT a good idea.
Players like me, who have sequences like c31, c38 or c35 memorized will scream bloody murder at such a change.

Yeah, you're true, those sequences are deeply memorized in my head too, but the c311 is just a repetition of the last key (1). c38 wouldn't be changed, but for c35, it could become c355 for protect my target. Anyway, it could be switchable into an option...

I'm okay to post it into the SCP board (I think you mean "The Freespace Upgrade Project", I'm new here so I don't really know all the sections of the forum..), but maybe later, in something like one week ; before posting it, it could be good to accumulate several different ideas for this topic.

[-Norbert-]

Nope. FSU is for things like interface art, models, effects.... the visual kind of Upgrades.
SCP - The Source Code Project is for changing and adding functionality into the game. So this would be more of a SCP thing.

[The E]

Yeah, you're true, those sequences are deeply memorized in my head too, but the c311 is just a repetition of the last key (1). c38 wouldn't be changed, but for c35, it could become c355 for protect my target. Anyway, it could be switchable into an option...

I'm okay to post it into the SCP board (I think you mean "The Freespace Upgrade Project", I'm new here so I don't really know all the sections of the forum..), but maybe later, in something like one week ; before posting it, it could be good to accumulate several different ideas for this topic.

That's not the point, I think. The point is that I need to press only three keys to issue the command I want. Which goes for every squad command in the comm menu.
The c-3-alt+number thing that was proposed before doesn't alter this, which is good.

Another point is that after you issue a command like c31, the com menu is closed.

The easiest option would be to introduce new options that can be accessed via PgUp and PgDown.

Also, please keep in mind that if something like this is added to the engine, it will most likely be a tbl-activated extra.

[potterman28wxcv]

I've moved the topic into the SCP board : http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=70460.0

I hope it will be added 

[Dilmah G]

Oh, dude, you didn't need to repost to the SCP board.

1. The mods could've moved the entire topic as is to the board,

and  2. It's usually the mods' call as to whether the topic gets moved. I think.